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1. 06:48 AM - Re: CH801 (Benford2@aol.com)
2. 08:44 AM - Soft tires (Keystone Engineering LLC)
3. 02:09 PM - Re: AN fittings (Richard T. Perry)
4. 02:50 PM - Re: AN fittings (Lance Gingell)
5. 10:39 PM - Did you folks look up and wave? (Pilot)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 8/5/2004 12:39:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
ggower_99@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> Ben,
>
> If I remember, in the CH701 page there is a reference to a page (great
> flying information, by the way) that the pilot lands and take off from
> the most shot and bumpy places I have read... Well, there he says
> that he uses his tires at 6 psi for extra cushion.
>
> Maybe there is where this pilot got the ideas, but sometimes what
> works to one person might not to another one. Like the two donkeys,
> one with sacs of salt and the other with sponges... short, the salt
> one fall in water and got released from the weight, the other one
> folowed him and couldnt stand up anymore...
>
> I think, that practice and common sence will give his the lower
> pressure to use, (or anyone in his type of flying), but with so many
> flats, he should have learned, like always, maybe is not the tires
> fault, but he has to be right.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
>
> --- Benford2@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message
I am running 28 psi in my 801 and that seems close to being an all around
good pressure. These 801's are quite a bit heavier then a 701 and need way more
pressure in their tires. If I get a chance I will let out most of the air in my
tires and re-inflate them to 6 psi just to see the how it looks altho I fly
it every day and loving every minute of it and don't want to cut in to my
testing and playing time. My gut feeling is 17 -19 psi should be the minimum,
remember each tire is carrying 440 + lbs in the static state and any landing will
impose a lot more load on them for sure. Mabye one of you 601 or 701 drivers
can inflate their tire to 6 psi and report on the sidewall bulge.
Ben Haas N801BH
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
Thanks for the input. The last place gravel bar I landed on was as smooth as you
could expect when it consists of rocks the size of your fist. It was about
600' long with river channels on one end and trees on the other end. You had
to swing out over the river before the trees. That is why you practice turns
at minimum controllable airspeed. It was a perfect 801 strip!
If I was going from asphalt strip to asphalt strips I would have made a 601 and
run my little tires at 30 psi.
The soft tires adsorb most of the sharp shock loading. I ran my the tires on my
PA-20 that soft for years. I probably had 1000 hrs in and out of the beaches
and no blowouts! Something is different!
I found that I have Murphy wheels and brakes. The Murphy site shows how to modify
the wheels to take larger (8.50x6) tires.
http://www.murphyair.com/SRtires.htm Sounds like a job for this weekend!
Bill Wilcox
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Folks -
For what it's worth, I've used Bonaco in California
(http://www.bonacoinc.com/) and had good luck with them. A BIG catalog of AN
fittings, hoses to order, and reasonable prices. No gages, though :
)
And I know this is a common and forever revolving argument, but do keep in
mind that just because something physically looks like an AN fitting, it
doesn't mean that it will work in an aircraft application. I'm not saying
that you have to insist on 8130's for every part, but it's still up to you
to determine that the part meets the pressure/temperature/material
requirements you need. Generally, high pressure brake/nitrous line fittings
should be OK, but you get what you pay for...so plan accordingly.
OK, off the soapbox. I struggle with this all the time (I'm an A&P/IA in
"real life"). The only time I've ever heard of a guy having problems with
this sort of thing was due to extreme stupidity (he bought all his
pitot/static plumbing at an aquarium dealer, then stalled out after the tube
came off the barbed fitting on the back of the airspeed indicator), but it's
always worth mentioning.
Richard Perry
>
>Time: 08:15:19 PM PST US
>From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: AN fittings
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>For those of you on the list I'm looking for alternate choices for
>aircraft hardware, other then the standard Wicks and Aircraft Spruce.
>One example is the recent AN Fittings locations, I got
>www.SummitRacing.com and http://www.fittingsandadapters.com both are
>valid suppliers of aircraft quality hardware but at a non aviation
>price. I wish to put a list together for the www.ch601.org website of
>all your suppliers and what you bought there, such as fuel gauges and
>senders, wire, hydraulic canopy openers, cam locs, tires, rims brakes,
>whatever you can think of. I know there out there for us all to find but
>it wouldn't it be nice If they were all in one spot for us to choose
>from.
>
>
>Thanks in advance for helping each other and newer builders.
>
>Mark Townsend
>601XL EJ 2.2L
>Alma, Ontario
>www.ch601.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
> Subject: Zenith-List: AN fittings
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
>
>One of the best sources for AN fittings, stainless braided gas lines,
>alum
>tubing, etc, etc is Summit Racing Equipment. Phone is 1-800-230-3030,
>web
>is www.SummitRacing.com. Free catalog, a great reference for the
>library
>and fittings are usually much cheaper than any aircraft supply house.
>
>Check out their neat gauges too, both electrical and mechanical.
>
>Bob, Wichita
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Sounds 'fishy' to me ;-)
(sorry,couldn't help myself!)
...lance
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: "Richard T. Perry"<perryrt@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: AN fittings
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Folks -
For what it's worth, I've used Bonaco in California
(http://www.bonacoinc.com/) and had good luck with them. A BIG catalog of AN
fittings, hoses to order, and reasonable prices. No gages, though :
)
And I know this is a common and forever revolving argument, but do keep in
mind that just because something physically looks like an AN fitting, it
doesn't mean that it will work in an aircraft application. I'm not saying
that you have to insist on 8130's for every part, but it's still up to you
to determine that the part meets the pressure/temperature/material
requirements you need. Generally, high pressure brake/nitrous line fittings
should be OK, but you get what you pay for...so plan accordingly.
OK, off the soapbox. I struggle with this all the time (I'm an A&P/IA in
"real life"). The only time I've ever heard of a guy having problems with
this sort of thing was due to extreme stupidity (he bought all his
pitot/static plumbing at an aquarium dealer, then stalled out after the tube
came off the barbed fitting on the back of the airspeed indicator), but it's
always worth mentioning.
Richard Perry
>
>Time: 08:15:19 PM PST US
>From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: AN fittings
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
>For those of you on the list I'm looking for alternate choices for
>aircraft hardware, other then the standard Wicks and Aircraft Spruce.
>One example is the recent AN Fittings locations, I got
>www.SummitRacing.com and http://www.fittingsandadapters.com both are
>valid suppliers of aircraft quality hardware but at a non aviation
>price. I wish to put a list together for the www.ch601.org website of
>all your suppliers and what you bought there, such as fuel gauges and
>senders, wire, hydraulic canopy openers, cam locs, tires, rims brakes,
>whatever you can think of. I know there out there for us all to find but
>it wouldn't it be nice If they were all in one spot for us to choose
>from.
>
>
>Thanks in advance for helping each other and newer builders.
>
>Mark Townsend
>601XL EJ 2.2L
>Alma, Ontario
>www.ch601.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
> Subject: Zenith-List: AN fittings
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
>
>One of the best sources for AN fittings, stainless braided gas lines,
>alum
>tubing, etc, etc is Summit Racing Equipment. Phone is 1-800-230-3030,
>web
>is www.SummitRacing.com. Free catalog, a great reference for the
>library
>and fittings are usually much cheaper than any aircraft supply house.
>
>Check out their neat gauges too, both electrical and mechanical.
>
>Bob, Wichita
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
I didn't make it to Airventure this year, but thought y'all would enjoy seeing
it from the perspective of a satellite.
http://www.airventure.org/2004/gallery/images/073104_satellite.jpg
Caution, HUGE .jpg picture. But, worth the download IMHO.
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