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1. 07:23 AM - Custom Cowl (Jon Croke)
2. 05:48 PM - Dave Dormer address (Jeff Small)
3. 06:30 PM - 701 Elevator Henge 7-H-3 (Rick)
4. 07:10 PM - anodizing was: Re: Corrosion Protection (xl)
5. 08:06 PM - zenith models (Joe Wooten)
6. 08:14 PM - Re: Sport-Pilot Eligible Aircraft (Richard T Perry)
7. 08:20 PM - Re: zenith models (Cdngoose)
8. 08:39 PM - Re: zenith models (Cleone Markwell)
9. 08:43 PM - Re: zenith models (Ray Montagne)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Hello all,
Larry Martin just sent in a wonderful pic of his custom cowl (and him) for
his 701 project...
Certainly a multi-talented builder!
Its located on the Builder's Photos page (Larry Martin) www.CH701.com
Jon
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| Subject: | Dave Dormer address |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:48:06 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Would Dave Dormer please contact zodiacjeff@msn.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | 701 Elevator Henge 7-H-3 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
I feel like an idiot but here goes:
Page 5 of 14 advises to cut and drill the Elevator Horn Cables Holes Positioning
Template. It refers you to drawing 7-H-5.
My question is, cut it from what? What did I not pick up in the reading?
Thanks in advance,
Rick
N701RR
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I don't see anything in the zenith list regarding anodizing.
The rv list has some info.
No it is not safe to anodize all parts.
Anodizing forms a thin surface layer that is harder than the base metal.
This sets up a part for stress cracking.
It's ok to anodize some things like the instrument panel - not a lot of
flexing there. But anodizing something like a wing skin is a bad idea.
I don't know enough about the structural engineering aspects to select
which parts could be anodized. (I'm a chemical process type.)
Also there is hard anodizing process that puts on a thicker harder layer
this would aggravate the situation even more.
Joe E.
N633Z @ BFI
94 hours
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Kenneth Baxter wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Kenneth Baxter <kbaxter26@sbcglobal.net>
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> New here, so please forgive me if this has been addressed before. Is it safe
to anodize all parts and pieces?
> Ken
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Wooten" <wootens@cox-internet.com>
I have been looking at this list for quite some time. I love the Zenith line but
a few things I would like to see and wondering if the Sport Pilot rule will
help produce new models? I would like to scratch build a high wing all aluminum
,folding wing, Tri-gear at least 100 to 120 mph cruise,not a stol aircraft,with
some high useful loads up to the 1320 lbs limit. I cannot find such an aircraft
that is produced and also have the option of a plans build. The 701 is
close and I can buy parts if need be but I would like to have the cruise of
the 601. I may be asking too much ,but I keep hearing the rumor of new planes
so I keep hoping. Any one know of new planes coming ? Thanks Joe Wooten
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| Subject: | Re: Sport-Pilot Eligible Aircraft |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
(Wow - two postings in one week - this is a record for me!)
Winston/Stan, I think there's a loophole here that _could_ make this work.
You see, there's a real difference between the Ercoupe (standard
certificated aircraft) and a Zodiac (experimental). In the first case, the
Ercoupe can be traced back to the original type certificate, which means
that the below text applies.
However, with the Zodiac, IF YOU BUILD IT AS AN EXPERIMENTAL, it's not
Zenith who is "manufacturing" the aircraft, it's you. A lot of experimental
aircraft are listed in the database as a (using me as an example)
"Perry-Zenith" or "Zenith-Perry" or something similar. The point is that you
as the builder determine the characteristics of the aircraft, and the FAA
realizes that.
Does this mean that I can take my Lancair SuperFastGlassRocket and tell the
FAA that it's got a stall speed and cruise speed to meet LSA criteria? Nope.
They're not stupid (and I'll bet you an aircraft wash that they're going to
be looking hard to find guys trying to do just that - like "fat"
ultralights). However, if I can show that (through flight testing or math)
that I'm working from a design that flies at X and I'm adding this device
that decreases stall speed to Y, proven by... That should work as an
adequate basis for the FAA's airworthiness certificate.
So....what this means is that if I go out and build a 601 and modify it in
the process to lower the stall speed to meet LSA criteria...I would think
that I would be FAA OK, as I'm the manufacturer.
However, talk to the source - call the FSDO, a designee or a Tech Advisor
(before you start!) I might also add that Zenith might or might not support
the mod, but that's a different issue.
Now, if I buy a light sport ready built aircraft from Zenith - it's (by
definition) going to meet the same restrictions (otherwise they can't sell
it as one!). However, if I buy a used experimental 601 on the open market
planning to fly it as a LSA...it might get tricky. I don't think you could
make that work, unless you were able to disassemble 51% of the aircraft and
reassemble with modifications (i.e. apply for a new different airworthiness
certificate.)
Regards -
Richard Perry
>Time: 06:11:15 PM PST US
>From: Winston Ellis <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sport-Pilot Eligible Aircraft
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Winston Ellis <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
>
>This was in the recent online EAA newsletter:
>
>Q & A:
> Question of the Week
> Question for EAA
> Aviation Information
> Services:
> The Ercoupe C/D was
> certified at a gross weight of
>1260 lbs, thereby meeting
(snipped for bandwidth)
>
>Doesn't look good.
>
>Winston
> > I am curious as to the status of the CH 601 HDS. Is it Sport-Pilot
> > eligible? The possible sport-pilot eligible aircraft list says only
> > Zodiac CH 601 without referring to either HD or HDS.
>
> It would be nice to start flying again on 1 September with my driver's
> > license.
> >
> > Stan
> > Zodiac 601 HDS
> > 160 hours
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Joe we have seen the wings to the CH152 at the Midland design center. It
was hoped to be finished by now, but like all other designs from Chris
it tends to take a long time to get to the table. Hopefully we will have
good news for Sun & Fun. I also know that there is a rumor that Chris
has resumed designing a new Gemini 630. Once again I think we will have
to wait till Sun & Fun 05 to see something new. For those who don't know
the rumor, the CH152 from 50ft away looks the same as a Cessna 152. But
with the famous Heintz design for the simplistic construction. It is
essentially everything Joe wants rolled into one plane.
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
I have been looking at this list for quite some time. I love the Zenith
line but a few things I would like to see and wondering if the Sport
Pilot rule will help produce new models? I would like to scratch build
a high wing all aluminum ,folding wing, Tri-gear at least 100 to 120 mph
cruise,not a stol aircraft,with some high useful loads up to the 1320
lbs limit. I cannot find such an aircraft that is produced and also
have the option of a plans build. The 701 is close and I can buy parts
if need be but I would like to have the cruise of the 601. I may be
asking too much ,but I keep hearing the rumor of new planes so I keep
hoping. Any one know of new planes coming ? Thanks Joe Wooten
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| Subject: | Re: zenith models |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Sorry Joe but I would advise you to talk with people who have flown off the
testing time for any aircraft to see what their figures are for the
design. I'm told that RVs actually do what they claim. However, I have
built and licensed four aircraft and none have performed as advertised and
one was a 601HD. You can fool some people by not hooking up a static
system to the ASI as Zenith does but it doesn't change the facts.
At 12:10 AM 8/9/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Wooten" <wootens@cox-internet.com>
>
>I have been looking at this list for quite some time. I love the Zenith
>line but a few things I would like to see and wondering if the Sport Pilot
>rule will help produce new models? I would like to scratch build a high
>wing all aluminum ,folding wing, Tri-gear at least 100 to 120 mph
>cruise,not a stol aircraft,with some high useful loads up to the 1320 lbs
>limit. I cannot find such an aircraft that is produced and also have the
>option of a plans build. The 701 is close and I can buy parts if need be
>but I would like to have the cruise of the 601. I may be asking too much
>,but I keep hearing the rumor of new planes so I keep hoping. Any one
>know of new planes coming ? Thanks Joe Wooten
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: zenith models |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 8/8/04 8:37 PM, "Cleone Markwell" <cleone@rr1.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
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> You can fool some people by not hooking up a static
> system to the ASI as Zenith does but it doesn't change the facts.
>
>
FWIW: The 601XL does have a static system. The 601XL pitot / static tube
assembly is very similar to what you'll find on a 7ECA Citabria...
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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