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1. 04:02 AM - Form Block (nick pace)
2. 05:19 AM - Zenith List: Subaru EA82 (Todd & Sarah Baslee)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Aluminum sheet question (Mark Townsend)
4. 05:51 AM - Extruded vs. formed was alumin angle 701 spar caps sources?? (baileys)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Alumin angle 701 spar caps sources?? (David Barth)
6. 06:17 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/09/04 (Grant Corriveau)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: Form Block (Larry McFarland)
8. 06:59 AM - Re: Zenith List: Subaru EA82 (Larry McFarland)
9. 07:41 AM - Re: Alumin angle 701 spar caps sources?? (Philip Condon)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/09/04 ()
11. 10:40 AM - Re: Aluminum sheet question (wizard-24@juno.com)
12. 12:07 PM - Re: Aluminum sheet question (Brandon Tucker)
13. 12:56 PM - Re: Aluminum sheet question (Trevor Page)
14. 12:57 PM - Re: Aluminum sheet question (Al Young)
15. 01:10 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Tire inflation (John M. Goodings)
16. 09:18 PM - Re: Zenith List: Subaru EA82 (Jim and Lucy)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: nick pace <asknickp@yahoo.com>
I am making my form blocks for a 601XL.Did anyone use
a computer program and printer to plot them,if so can
you send me the file? Thanks in advance for any help
or advice.
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A Fellow Aviator and 601XL Builder-Corvair Powered {just started}
Nick Pace
Harpers Ferry WV
Getting Ready For My Checkride
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| Subject: | Zenith List: Subaru EA82 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd & Sarah Baslee" <twbaslee@sbcglobal.net>
Hello list,
I have recently come across a Subaru EA82 Turbocharged engine with about 70 aircraft
hours on it in very good shape. It even has the PSRU. What do you think
one would be worth? and Do you think it is one of the better auto to aircraft
engines to use for an experimental aircraft?
Thanks for the help,
Todd Baslee
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum sheet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Trevor head down to Golden Triangle Specialty metals in Cambridge, they have
a full line of 6061 T6, plus I can't find anyone cheaper.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
> I'm needing to make the flashing for the canopy inside and outside now
> as well as some minor parts and a console.
>
> I can't seem to locate .025 T6 aluminum sheet locally at Metal
> Supermarket. All they seem to carry is general purpose aluminum sheet
> instead of T6. For what I'm doing is it acceptable to use this grade
> instead of T6? Nothing here is structural of course.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Trevor Page
> 601HD, Rotax 912. 90% complete, 90% to go.
>
>
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| Subject: | Extruded vs. formed was alumin angle 701 spar caps sources?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
O.K. which is strongest? Referencing this question;
> > That raises an interesting question......
> >
> > Generally speaking: is extruded angle the same strength as a similar
metal
> > composition but in bend sheet form of the same dimension????
> >
and this answer
>
> nope!
> > >
Based upon this statement
> > > You can take some .093 sheet and put it in a break. Then shear it to
> > > 3/4 x 3/4 That is what Zenith does I belive.
> > > you are only talking about a half a pound more or so for 10' of
> > > the .125 over the .093
> > >
> > >
Thanks,
Bob B.
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| Subject: | Re: Alumin angle 701 spar caps sources?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Actually I think ZAC buys the .093 angle from the one source I found in the US
that carries it. Unfortunately you have to buy a minimum of 500 feet of the stuff
- (like ZAC does) so the decision was easy to go for the .125
Sorry I don't recall the name of the company. It was the result of a long and
tedious search of industrial metal suppliers.
It reminds me of Robin Williams in "Awakenings" . His former research was to extract
2 micrograms of mielin (sp?) from 2 tons of earthworms. "That's impossible!"
said the interviewer. "I know" said Robin "I proved it". I feel like
that...a little. I proved - to myself at least - that therre was no readily available
source of .093 angle for the small buyer.
Sorry. Just rembling this morning.
do not archive
david
Brett <brett@hog-air.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett "
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys"
>
> Hello all,
> I'm trying to buy materials and cannot seem to find 3/4 x 3/4 0.093"
6061-T6
> angle as called out for the spar caps. What I have been told by
several
> places is that 0.125" is the thinest they carry. Beside needing a
slightly
> longer rivet what are the ramifications of using the thicker
material. The
> weight difference should not be much of a factor.
> Incidently Shaprio in St. Louis is $0.95 per foot and Airparts in KC
is
> $1.10. Yarde Metals on the East Coast is $0.95 and they will only
ship 20
> foot lengths.
> Shaprio will cut it for me and I can pick it up. Any other
recommended
> sources in the midwest??
> Thanks in advance,
> Bob B. - Missouri
> 701 - #75552
You can take some .093 sheet and put it in a break. Then shear it to
3/4 x 3/4 That is what Zenith does I belive.
you are only talking about a half a pound more or so for 10' of
the .125 over the .093
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/09/04 |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
Larry,
I ordered 30 psi by 24" for my application. This was based upon George
Pinneo's experience and one other. Also the MacMaster website includes a
formula and some intstructions on how to design an installation -- very
helpful. Their foumula will calculate the required forced depending upon
the geometry of your installation.
I'll send one small photo to you directly of how/where I installed mine fyi.
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
> A while back, someone ordered gas springs from McMasters, What force pressure
> did
> you order? And how do they work?
>
>
> Larry Martin, N1345L
>
> Take a look at my site. Larry's 701
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Nick,
When I began cutting patterns for the ribs, I used a CAD program to plot
coordinates and
make the drawings full scale. Then a paper plot with a reference + marks at
each corner
was drawn to find and scale printer output 1 to 1. The rib plots were
overlayed by the plot +
references and printed in 3 overlapping segments that were taped together
with the reference marks used
to align sheets. The CAD program I used was TurboCAD, but any other with
scaling features
would do. These can be used to get your form blocks made first, and then you
can use 3M spray adhesive to hold the rib drawings on the aluminum and then
the ribs can be formed and finish cut
using the drawing rather than marking out the aluminum. After the pieces
were done, thinner was used to soak the paper and separate it from the ribs.
Worked great for me.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
>
> I am making my form blocks for a 601XL.Did anyone use
> a computer program and printer to plot them,if so can
> you send me the file? Thanks in advance for any help
> or advice.
>
> =====
> A Fellow Aviator and 601XL Builder-Corvair Powered {just started}
> Nick Pace
> Harpers Ferry WV
> Getting Ready For My Checkride
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List: Subaru EA82 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Todd,
The value of such an engine has a lot more to do with what kind of aircraft
you intend to
use it on, but assuming you've matched the weight of the engine with the
reduction drive and find
that the output and prop rpms will do what you want of it, it might be a
good buy. The EA82
is a heavier engine than the more common EA-81 and is often not selected
because of that issue.
I would carefully re-assess how you want to use it and consider why after
only 70 hours the engine
was replaced by the owner.
The Subaru offers a lot for the money and is a bullet of durability once
you've put all the components
together correctly for the aircraft. I bought one good EA81 from a car for
$100, purchased a rebuilt
EA81 that had all the cam, airflow and compression mods done to it with a
rotax C redrive adapter on it
for $2000 and then purchased a Stratus engine at their price and used that
on my plane.
A lot of people will argue with this, but turbocharging is problematic and
fussy stuff and the EA82 is less, not more of an engine than the EA81 or the
legacy 2.2 engines that have a greater following.
The airsoob group on Yahoo discusses the EA82 at greater lengths, and I'm
sure a better set of comparisons for your use could be found there.
Price for what you describe could be worth from $500 to $2500. I don't
consider the turbocharger a positive item. More than that and you have a
lot of other options including used EA81s and then the hi-time 0-200s, etc.
I'm not an engine guy either
Larry C. McFarland - 601HDS @ www.macsmachine.com
Do not archive
> I have recently come across a Subaru EA82 Turbocharged engine with about
70 aircraft hours on it in very good shape. It even has the PSRU. What do
you think one would be worth? and Do you think it is one of the better auto
to aircraft engines to use for an experimental aircraft?
> Thanks for the help,
> Todd Baslee
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alumin angle 701 spar caps sources?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
Take a close look at the aircraft extrusion aluminum angle and you will
notice a radius on the inside of the formed, extruded angle. Hardware store
angle aluminum doesn't have this(alloy is not the same ether). The radius
adds to the strength of the angle extrusion as well as the proper alloy its
extruded from.
I think the answer here is use what's available, what you can get. I like
the extrusion answer...buy some extra stock for all the little brackets and
whatever your almost certainly going to need to make in the future
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> >
> > You can take some .093 sheet and put it in a break. Then shear it to
> > 3/4 x 3/4 That is what Zenith does I belive.
> > you are only talking about a half a pound more or so for 10' of
> > the .125 over the .093
> >
> >
> That raises an interesting question......
>
> Generally speaking: is extruded angle the same strength as a similar metal
> composition but in bend sheet form of the same dimension????
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/09/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <george.pinneo@ngc.com>
Mine was 30 lbs at 20" not 24"
GGP
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum sheet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
I would definitely like a copy as well if possible. I already made mine,
but it didn't turn out as nice as I would have wanted to.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
> I have some paper patterns for the front canopy flashing if you need
> one. I did them on my plotter. They can be a little tricky to get
> right.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum sheet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
> I have some paper patterns for the front canopy
flashing if you need
> one. I did them on my plotter. They can be a little
tricky to get
> right.
Brett,
I would love a copy as well, if possible.
If you get it onto the 601 website, I'll just get it
from there.
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum sheet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Yup, Golden had the stuff!
Thanks Mark, now I'm out of my rut, off I go to finish some stuff.
Trev
On Aug 11, 2004, at 8:35 AM, Mark Townsend wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Trevor head down to Golden Triangle Specialty metals in Cambridge,
> they have
> a full line of 6061 T6, plus I can't find anyone cheaper.
>
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trevor Page" <webmaster@upac.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Aluminum sheet question
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>>
>> I'm needing to make the flashing for the canopy inside and outside now
>> as well as some minor parts and a console.
>>
>> I can't seem to locate .025 T6 aluminum sheet locally at Metal
>> Supermarket. All they seem to carry is general purpose aluminum sheet
>> instead of T6. For what I'm doing is it acceptable to use this grade
>> instead of T6? Nothing here is structural of course.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Trevor Page
>> 601HD, Rotax 912. 90% complete, 90% to go.
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum sheet question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Brett- I would like a pattern also.
Al Young
601XL Canopy 50% done.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Tire inflation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
When a tire is considerably underinflated, the tire, tube and rim can move
with respect to eachother. I think this was probably the cause of the
valves being sheared off on the main gear wheels when a 601XL was operated
not long ago with very low pressure in the tires.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with Rotax 912S, Toronto/Waterloo.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List: Subaru EA82 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
At 07:19 AM 8/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd & Sarah Baslee"
><twbaslee@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Hello list,
>
>I have recently come across a Subaru EA82 Turbocharged engine with about
>70 aircraft hours on it in very good shape. It even has the PSRU. What
>do you think one would be worth? and Do you think it is one of the better
>auto to aircraft engines to use for an experimental aircraft?
>Thanks for the help,
>Todd Baslee
Lots of power Wider than the ea81 by about 4 inches
Its heavy fwf will be 300lbs
Jim Pollard
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