---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/19/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:03 AM - Zenith CH 601 XL For Sale (Skyshop Inc.) 2. 08:13 AM - Re: Hole in splice plate? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 3. 08:14 AM - 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 (Scott Laughlin) 4. 09:04 AM - Re: Wooohooo! (Robert Schoenberger) 5. 09:26 AM - Tailwheel Question () 6. 09:33 AM - Re: Wooohooo! (Pilot) 7. 09:33 AM - Re: 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 (Lance Gingell) 8. 09:48 AM - Re: 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 (Scott Laughlin) 9. 09:57 AM - Re: Wooohooo! (Bruce Johnson) 10. 10:02 AM - 701 wing instalation (Ron Lee) 11. 11:20 AM - Re: 701 folding wing installation () 12. 12:43 PM - Re: Wooohooo! (Gary Wolf) 13. 03:08 PM - Re: VOR/Glideslope antenna location (Bryan Martin) 14. 03:09 PM - Two are known, many are not (Cdngoose) 15. 03:26 PM - Re: Tailwheel Question (Mike Sinclair) 16. 03:45 PM - Re: 701 folding wing installation (Hal Rozema) 17. 04:06 PM - Trade or sale? 701 kit/plane (Eric Parlow) 18. 04:41 PM - Re: Trade or sale? 701 kit/plane (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 19. 05:08 PM - Builders Photo's (Cdngoose) 20. 07:53 PM - Re: Online machine shop (Bob Miller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:20 AM PST US From: "Skyshop Inc." Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith CH 601 XL For Sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Skyshop Inc." To the gang: I was surprised how fast Pat's 601XL 100% firewall aft kit was purchased. I'm sure you all know that we can deliver these professionally built quick-built kits (or ready-to-fly) to any of you with delivery time of only two months or so right now. We also would like to offer to buy back any kits (rudder kits or tail group kits) as partial payment for our fastbuilts. And don't forget, this same program is available for the CH701. Danny Skyshop Inc. www.skyshops. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hole in splice plate? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Still trucking along then George?...:) I don't know about the splice plate, It "should" be OK if one puts the hole in the middle of the plate and deburs it thoroughly. He did approve a hole in the spar to route the brake lines for me. You should really check directly with ZAC though. Incidently have you checked the hole edge distances on the plates?...There were a bunch that had to be replaced with steel...You could defintaly make a hole in them!...:) Cheers Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Swinford Subject: Zenith-List: Hole in splice plate? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" --> Has Chris approved putting a hole in the center of the 601 wing splice plates (6V4-7 and 6V4-8)? If so, what max diameter? I'd like to do so for wire routing. Any help out there? George == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:25 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow 601XL Builders: I need your help today. I plan to pick up some grade 8 bolts from Lowes this afternoon to fabricate part 6-B-11-4 (The main gear attachments), but the drawing and current update have me confused. To save you the trouble of pulling out your drawings, see this link: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/MainGearAttach.jpg The updates of 4/04 on the Zenith website mention "Delete 1" of threads on bolts..." After doing the math and adding the thicknesses of the rubber gaskets, alum. angle, 1/" nut, etc., it seems like 1" of threads below the bottom of the fuselage will work. If you have this part installed or just in a place where you can find it, can you tell me how far the bolts (and threads) hang below the bottom of the fuselage? A close-up photo of the part with a ruler would provide the best help. Thanks in advance, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:08 AM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" FWIW . . . I've seen an ad by one of the big supply houses that they make the Buttercup kit among other. The flight characteristics are impressive, but I'm not sure it would meet sport pilot specs. Robert Schoenberger 701 - 40% do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" > > Thanks Mark, > > Yes, I've sat in a Sonex, and yes it was a tight fit for myself (5'10" - > 190) and my father (6'3" - 210), in fact it was quite tight, he would have > to have his left arm up on the seat the whole time to make that work. > > I've sat in Leo Gates 601HDS, although it was by myself, and, it was > definitely more comfortable. I just can't get over the speed difference > though. The Sonex is very very fast for the money/size/engine vs the REAL > numbers that I've seen reported here for the Zodiac, which is why I've very > interested in WW's results. Of course, on a medium cross country, 25+mph > faster in a less comfortable plane will probably actually take more rest > breaks etc... > > The Buttercup is a Steve Whitman design (http://www.luceair.com/) a rag and > tube STOL with a 125mph cruise, 300ft TO distance and 200ft landing. It's > very likely I would not go that way, as I believe there is only one flying > now (other than the original which is in an EAA museum I believe) and since > I've not yet even started flight training, I probably should not be an > "early adopter" for an experimental. I'd also have to learn to weld.. What > attracts me to the idea of it though, is I would likely be able to base it > out of a 1500ft grass strip at an ultralight airport (soon to be a "Sport > Pilot center ?) which is less than 4 miles from my house, vs. an airpark > about a 35min drive from my house (where Leo Gates lives). I would also > like to be able to perhaps carry a more cargo like a mountain bike when > flying solo.... Steve Whitman used the original Buttercup to carry parts > around the country for his racing aircraft. > > So maybe that will be the 2nd one eh? ;-) > > Bruce - San Antonio > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:03 PM > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > > > Bruce, don't recognize the buttercup but have you ever spent 5 min > > inside the cockpit of a Sonex? Then add a passenger! The Zodiac becomes > > a very quick choice. As for style !!! Well it is a personal thing !! > > > > Mark Townsend > > Alma, Ontario > > Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L > > Osprey 2 serial # 751 > > www.ch601.org > > www.Osprey2.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce > > Johnson > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" > > > > Alright Randy!! > > > > I'm in San Antonio (well actually Schertz) as well. I can't wait to > > hear > > how the Corvair increases your performance over the VW.. > > > > I've seen very little feedback from WW's installation. I assume he's > > busy > > filling orders and paying the bills, but I wonder if perhaps he's > > tweaking > > to get better numbers before publishing as it's been along time between > > updates. > > > > In which airpark are you based?? > > > > Bruce - (still deciding between a Sonex and Z - XL with some interest > > in > > the Buttercup - how's that for diverse) > > > > > > --- > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:51 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Tailwheel Question Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:34:20 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Now that I'm committed to a taildragger 601XL, I'm curious to know what others are using---ACS shows two homebuilder special tailwheels, with 4" or 6" wheels. Anybody got any experience with either size? I don't expect the weight differential (2 pounds) to be significant, since the powerplant will be Corvair. Paul Rodriguez 601XL, Corvair Working on the fuselage ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:19 AM PST US From: "Pilot" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" I think that it might actually qualify for Sport Pilot designation: http://www.luceair.com/specs/info.htm Engine Model O-200 Engine Horsepower 100 Propeller 66/55 Cruise Speed 125 mph Top Speed 145 mph Landing Speed 40 mph Maximum Speed (Vne) 150 mph Stall (clean) 51 mph Rate of Climb 550 ft./min. Gross Weight 1290 Pounds Empty Weight 790 Pounds Payload 500 Pounds Wing Span 29'5" Wing Area 132 sq.ft. Aircraft Length 19' 6" Fuselage Height - Cabin 44" Fuel Capacity 20 Gallons Seats 2 (side-by-side) Cabin Width 40" Takeoff Distance 300 feet Landing Distance 200 feet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" FWIW . . . I've seen an ad by one of the big supply houses that they make the Buttercup kit among other. The flight characteristics are impressive, but I'm not sure it would meet sport pilot specs. Robert Schoenberger 701 - 40% do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" > > Thanks Mark, > > Yes, I've sat in a Sonex, and yes it was a tight fit for myself (5'10" - > 190) and my father (6'3" - 210), in fact it was quite tight, he would have > to have his left arm up on the seat the whole time to make that work. > > I've sat in Leo Gates 601HDS, although it was by myself, and, it was > definitely more comfortable. I just can't get over the speed difference > though. The Sonex is very very fast for the money/size/engine vs the REAL > numbers that I've seen reported here for the Zodiac, which is why I've very > interested in WW's results. Of course, on a medium cross country, 25+mph > faster in a less comfortable plane will probably actually take more rest > breaks etc... > > The Buttercup is a Steve Whitman design (http://www.luceair.com/) a rag and > tube STOL with a 125mph cruise, 300ft TO distance and 200ft landing. It's > very likely I would not go that way, as I believe there is only one flying > now (other than the original which is in an EAA museum I believe) and since > I've not yet even started flight training, I probably should not be an > "early adopter" for an experimental. I'd also have to learn to weld.. What > attracts me to the idea of it though, is I would likely be able to base it > out of a 1500ft grass strip at an ultralight airport (soon to be a "Sport > Pilot center ?) which is less than 4 miles from my house, vs. an airpark > about a 35min drive from my house (where Leo Gates lives). I would also > like to be able to perhaps carry a more cargo like a mountain bike when > flying solo.... Steve Whitman used the original Buttercup to carry parts > around the country for his racing aircraft. > > So maybe that will be the 2nd one eh? ;-) > > Bruce - San Antonio > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:03 PM > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > > > Bruce, don't recognize the buttercup but have you ever spent 5 min > > inside the cockpit of a Sonex? Then add a passenger! The Zodiac becomes > > a very quick choice. As for style !!! Well it is a personal thing !! > > > > Mark Townsend > > Alma, Ontario > > Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L > > Osprey 2 serial # 751 > > www.ch601.org > > www.Osprey2.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce > > Johnson > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" > > > > Alright Randy!! > > > > I'm in San Antonio (well actually Schertz) as well. I can't wait to > > hear > > how the Corvair increases your performance over the VW.. > > > > I've seen very little feedback from WW's installation. I assume he's > > busy > > filling orders and paying the bills, but I wonder if perhaps he's > > tweaking > > to get better numbers before publishing as it's been along time between > > updates. > > > > In which airpark are you based?? > > > > Bruce - (still deciding between a Sonex and Z - XL with some interest > > in > > the Buttercup - how's that for diverse) > > > > > > --- > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Scott, I've sent you some pictures off list. I'm not on the fuse yet, but at least I can answer the 'photo' part of the question! ..lance DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Laughlin Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" --> Fellow 601XL Builders: I need your help today. I plan to pick up some grade 8 bolts from Lowes this afternoon to fabricate part 6-B-11-4 (The main gear attachments), but the drawing and current update have me confused. To save you the trouble of pulling out your drawings, see this link: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/MainGearAttach.jpg The updates of 4/04 on the Zenith website mention "Delete 1" of threads on bolts..." After doing the math and adding the thicknesses of the rubber gaskets, alum. angle, 1/" nut, etc., it seems like 1" of threads below the bottom of the fuselage will work. If you have this part installed or just in a place where you can find it, can you tell me how far the bolts (and threads) hang below the bottom of the fuselage? A close-up photo of the part with a ruler would provide the best help. Thanks in advance, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:19 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Main Gear Attachment 6-B-11-4 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" ALL: Lance Gingell sent me some photos that will work great. Thanks Lance, I hope I can return the favor some day. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com DO NOT ARCHIVE ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Laughlin" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Fellow 601XL Builders: I need your help today. DO NOT ARCHIVE http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:15 AM PST US From: "Bruce Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" Yup, me thinks so... The slight change in the SP gross weight with corresponding slight change in "clean" stall speed put it right there. I think ( with my limited knowledge) it would be a good candidate for a Corvair as well. I've seen the Buttercup "kit" mentioned on aircraft spruce's site but no pricing etc, and I believe it is a kit of raw materials. Getting back to Zenith discussion.. no one' heard from WW on what's happening with his 601XL & cruise speeds etc??? Bruce > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pilot > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:31 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" > > I think that it might actually qualify for Sport Pilot designation: > http://www.luceair.com/specs/info.htm > Engine Model O-200 > Engine Horsepower 100 > Propeller 66/55 > Cruise Speed 125 mph > Top Speed 145 mph > Landing Speed 40 mph > Maximum Speed (Vne) 150 mph > Stall (clean) 51 mph > Rate of Climb 550 ft./min. > Gross Weight 1290 Pounds > Empty Weight 790 Pounds > Payload 500 Pounds > > Wing Span 29'5" > Wing Area 132 sq.ft. > Aircraft Length 19' 6" > Fuselage Height - Cabin 44" > Fuel Capacity 20 Gallons > Seats 2 (side-by-side) > Cabin Width 40" > Takeoff Distance 300 feet > Landing Distance 200 feet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Schoenberger" > To: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > > FWIW . . . I've seen an ad by one of the big supply houses that they make > the Buttercup kit among other. The flight characteristics are impressive, > but I'm not sure it would meet sport pilot specs. Robert Schoenberger > 701 - 40% do not archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Johnson" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" > > > > Thanks Mark, > > > > Yes, I've sat in a Sonex, and yes it was a tight fit for myself (5'10" - > > 190) and my father (6'3" - 210), in fact it was quite tight, he would > have > > to have his left arm up on the seat the whole time to make that work. > > > > I've sat in Leo Gates 601HDS, although it was by myself, and, it was > > definitely more comfortable. I just can't get over the speed difference > > though. The Sonex is very very fast for the money/size/engine vs the > REAL > > numbers that I've seen reported here for the Zodiac, which is why I've > very > > interested in WW's results. Of course, on a medium cross country, > 25+mph > > faster in a less comfortable plane will probably actually take more rest > > breaks etc... > > > > The Buttercup is a Steve Whitman design (http://www.luceair.com/) a rag > and > > tube STOL with a 125mph cruise, 300ft TO distance and 200ft landing. > It's > > very likely I would not go that way, as I believe there is only one > flying > > now (other than the original which is in an EAA museum I believe) and > since > > I've not yet even started flight training, I probably should not be an > > "early adopter" for an experimental. I'd also have to learn to weld.. > What > > attracts me to the idea of it though, is I would likely be able to base > it > > out of a 1500ft grass strip at an ultralight airport (soon to be a > "Sport > > Pilot center ?) which is less than 4 miles from my house, vs. an airpark > > about a 35min drive from my house (where Leo Gates lives). I would also > > like to be able to perhaps carry a more cargo like a mountain bike when > > flying solo.... Steve Whitman used the original Buttercup to carry parts > > around the country for his racing aircraft. > > > > So maybe that will be the 2nd one eh? ;-) > > > > Bruce - San Antonio > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith- > list- > > > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:03 PM > > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > > > > > Bruce, don't recognize the buttercup but have you ever spent 5 min > > > inside the cockpit of a Sonex? Then add a passenger! The Zodiac > becomes > > > a very quick choice. As for style !!! Well it is a personal thing !! > > > > > > Mark Townsend > > > Alma, Ontario > > > Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L > > > Osprey 2 serial # 751 > > > www.ch601.org > > > www.Osprey2.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce > > > Johnson > > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > > > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" > > > > > > Alright Randy!! > > > > > > I'm in San Antonio (well actually Schertz) as well. I can't wait to > > > hear > > > how the Corvair increases your performance over the VW.. > > > > > > I've seen very little feedback from WW's installation. I assume he's > > > busy > > > filling orders and paying the bills, but I wonder if perhaps he's > > > tweaking > > > to get better numbers before publishing as it's been along time > between > > > updates. > > > > > > In which airpark are you based?? > > > > > > Bruce - (still deciding between a Sonex and Z - XL with some > interest > > > in > > > the Buttercup - how's that for diverse) > > > --- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:16 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing instalation --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" I must be missing something in my manuals (4th ed. 8th printing) on the installation of the wings. There seems to be instructions for everything else. I can't even find anything on the internet photo guide. Looking for a procedure, bolts to use Etc. Ron Tucson AZ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 folding wing installation From: --> Zenith-List message posted by: To add to Rons question, are there any information on the installation of the 701 folding wings. I have the option but no instructions... Max, 701 builder in Helsinki, Finland > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > ext Ron Lee > Sent: 19 August, 2004 20:02 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing instalation > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" > > I must be missing something in my manuals (4th ed. 8th > printing) on the installation of the wings. There seems to be > instructions for everything else. I can't even find anything > on the internet photo guide. > Looking for a procedure, bolts to use Etc. > Ron Tucson AZ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:32 PM PST US From: "Gary Wolf" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Wolf" One thing to keep in mind about the performance of the Buttercup is that Wittman used to turn the engine to 3000 rpms to achieve the top speed. You may not wish to do the same. Gary Wolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wooohooo! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > FWIW . . . I've seen an ad by one of the big supply houses that they make > the Buttercup kit among other. The flight characteristics are impressive, > but I'm not sure it would meet sport pilot specs. Robert Schoenberger > 701 - 40% do not archive. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VOR/Glideslope antenna location From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin A couple of people have asked me about my home made VOR antenna so I decided to post the details to the list in case anybody else wants to know. I made the antenna from two automotive FM whip antennas and a PVC pipe cap. The pipe cap is just a bit smaller in diameter than the width of the rudder, either a 3/4=B2 or 1=B2 cap as I recall. I drilled two holes in the side of the cap about 120 degrees apart and mounted just the whip portion of an antenna in each hole. The whips were threaded at the bottom (8-32 as I recall) and just screwed into the original base. I attached the coax cable to the whips inside the pipe cap with ring terminals, center conductor to one whip and shield to the other. I cut the whips down to about 24=B2 to get them into the VOR frequency band. Then I filled the pipe cap with epoxy and drilled two holes through from the end for mounting screws. The assembly attaches to the top of the rudder by means of a couple of nutserts. The coax passes down through the rudder though a hole centered under the antenna assembly. You also need to use a balun with this type of antenna to match the balanced antenna load with the unbalanced coax antenna cable. There are a few types of baluns that can be used and some types will require a different connection between the cable and antenna. I used a bazooka balun which is just a length of shielding wrapped around the outer insulation of the coax leading back from the antenna and bonded to the inner shielding about 24=B2 from the antenna. I got the idea for this antenna from an article in KitPlanes by Jim Weir. I picked up some more information about baluns and such from several articles on the internet. I haven=B9t tested this antenna in the air yet so I don=B9t know how well it works. The whole thing only cost me about $15 so even if it doesn=B9t work I=B9m not out much. I have been able to pick the weather broadcast from a VOR located about 12 miles away while on the ground at the airport. The signal is very weak and broken which is about what you=B9d expect in that case but at least I know the antenna is picking up something. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Construction complete. Getting the paperwork in order. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:46 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Two are known, many are not --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> We Have two names so far!!! Surly you folks can recognize other builders? This is one time where name dropping is desired!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L Osprey 2 serial # 751 www.ch601.org www.Osprey2.com do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Dear Builders, I have been uploading the Oshkosh 04 Builders Dinner Photo's to the www.ch601.org website, when I realized I don't have names for all those faces! I NEED YOUR HELP!!!! Please go to www.ch601.org and click on the Oshkosh 2004 Builders Dinner link From there you can find instructions on how you can help me out! This is a little like a contest on how many fellow builders you know but unfortunately I don't have prizes! But if all goes well, I will have a Burger or Dog ready for you at the Sun & Fun WWW.ch601.org and www.ch701.com evening BBQ. Yup were planning already!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L Osprey 2 serial # 751 www.ch601.org www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:47 PM PST US From: Mike Sinclair Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tailwheel Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair Paul I bought the 6" (pn/ L-694) from ACS and wish I hadn't. Turns out that the wheel would break loose from the detente position too easily and at low speeds on landing (and with the 701 almost all are slow) when the rudder was losing efectiveness, and I didn't have any steering, I made several off runway excursions but luckily (did I also mention slow?) there were no serious incidents, just had to look around and hope there were no witnesses. Although one runway light got a little to close for comfort. Finally figured out what was going on and I now have the Matco tailwheel assembly on my plane. Have not had a problem since and have very positive steering at all speeds. Haven't pulled the other assembly apart to look yet but suspect it may have a spring and ball into a notch type of detente. Possibly a heavier spring if that is the case, but will stick with the Matco. I do have a homebuilders tailwheel assembly for sale (minus the solid rubber tire, the Matco pneumatic tire was too large for my application, and that tire is for sale also, but too large for the homebuilders tailwheel setup), so if anyone is interested contact me off line and I'm sure we can work a deal. Mike Sinclair N701TD Augusta, Kansas PAULROD36@msn.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > Now that I'm committed to a taildragger 601XL, I'm curious to know what others are using---ACS shows two homebuilder special tailwheels, with 4" or 6" wheels. Anybody got any experience with either size? I don't expect the weight differential (2 pounds) to be significant, since the powerplant will be Corvair. > > Paul Rodriguez > 601XL, Corvair > Working on the fuselage > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:15 PM PST US From: Hal Rozema Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 folding wing installation --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema I have been building my 701 for about 20 months now and following all the discussions including "folding wings" I considered several things and decided not to use the folding wing arrangement. 1. With the wings folded, it makes a very tall package subject to a lot of windage problems and height limitations. 2. It is a two or three man operation to fold the wings. 3. Consider the alternative, removal of the wings. Depending on your storage or trailer limitations a padded cradle on either side of the fuselage can hold the wings more securely than the folded arrangement... The wings come off after removal of only 4 bolts each side the same as with folding.. The struts (if in the way) are removed by 4 additional bolts. I have installed quick connects for fuel and all wire connections at the wing root at the top of the cabin behind an aluminum trip plate.. It may not be the best way, but it's my way. Hal Rozema http://theplanefolks.net vstol 701 3300 Phoenix Az (DVT) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:43 PM PST US From: "Eric Parlow" Subject: Zenith-List: Trade or sale? 701 kit/plane --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" I have an RV-8 empennage & wing kit completed plus a lot of extras. But...... I'm moving to a new house with a 700 ft grass runway! I'll be going to flight / A&P school 35 miles away on an airport. I'm thinking a 701 would be just the thing to commute! Any interest in a trade or sale? ERic-- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:08 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Trade or sale? 701 kit/plane From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" The empanage is not the same as the RV 7 is it?....I just ordered the RV7A quickbuild...Sure I could drop the empanage from the order if it's the same...Would be an even quicker build kit then...:). Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Parlow Subject: Zenith-List: Trade or sale? 701 kit/plane --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" --> I have an RV-8 empennage & wing kit completed plus a lot of extras. But...... I'm moving to a new house with a 700 ft grass runway! I'll be going to flight / A&P school 35 miles away on an airport. I'm thinking a 701 would be just the thing to commute! Any interest in a trade or sale? ERic-- == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:07 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Builders Photo's --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> For those of you whom were not present for the Oshkosh 2004 Builders Dinner or do not see yourselves in the pictures on the www.ch601.org website. Please send us a picture of yourself standing with your project whither it be a flying machine or a single "L" held in your hands!! We would like the chance to put faces to the names that we see on this list. You can send all pictures to moderator@ch601.org. I will be posting them with the other pictures for the Builders dinner. Thanks Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L Osprey 2 serial # 751 www.ch601.org www.Osprey2.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:06 PM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Online machine shop --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" David, There's a very positive article about the emachineshop site in the August 3, 2004 issue of PC Magazine. It looks to me like the free and easy CAD program would be worth a visit to the site at the very least. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pilot" Subject: Zenith-List: Online machine shop > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" > > Just saw this and thought it would be of interest to the group. You design, online, and then submit your order and the part is machined and mailed directly to your home. > http://www.emachineshop.com/ > > David Hugunin - KSLE > >