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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Fuel Sender access panel - blessed by ZAC? (Dave Kubassek)
2. 10:07 AM - (Joe Scheibinger)
3. 10:40 AM - Re: (Pilot)
4. 12:50 PM - main gear spring 701 (baileys)
5. 01:34 PM - Re: (Robert Schoenberger)
6. 01:46 PM - Pitot tube - 701 (Robert Schoenberger)
7. 03:40 PM - Re: Pitot tube - 701 (Chuck Deiterich)
8. 04:11 PM - CH701 Flying Characteristics (howado)
9. 04:29 PM - Re: Pitot tube - 701 (Larry McFarland)
10. 05:14 PM - Re: Leading edge skin crease (Lance Gingell)
11. 05:15 PM - Re: main gear spring 701 (Lee Thomas)
12. 06:42 PM - Re: Pitot tube - 701 (LRM)
13. 09:05 PM - Re: Pitot tube - 701 (Brandon Tucker)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender access panel - blessed by ZAC? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
I ended up taking my tanks to a local welding shop and had a 3" dia. pocket
you could call it, recessed down into the top of the tank,
I found that even after grinding everything i could down, i still had a bump
in the wing skin.
anything else i could come up with seemed to be mickey mouse.
dave kubassek
601 XL C-FDSF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel Sender access panel - blessed by ZAC?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
> Today, I did the same...put the lock washer underneath and ground it all
> down. After this I had plenty of clearance, so I didn't bother with the
> access cover.
>
> I think the key is to move the lock washer, and to grind down the
> plastic washer to about half its thickness (ZAC send me pics like
> this)...at that point, its all pretty low profile.
>
> If I hear back from ZAC on the access cover I'll post back...
>
> Cheers,
> ..lance
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Martin
> To: Zenith List
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Sender access panel - blessed by ZAC?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin
> --> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
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> on 8/20/04 2:02 PM, Lance Gingell at lgingell@matrix-logic.com wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
> > --> <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
> >
> > I'm having the same fuel sender-to-skin clearance issue that a few
> > other builders have had on my 601XL.
> >
> > The sender fits under the skin, but it pushes the skin up slightly. I
> > need to remove the split washer and grind down some more.
> >
> > I'd noticed some other builders made riveted access panels for the
> > fuel sender that fit on the leading edge skin. Have these been
> > 'blessed' by ZAC? I'm thinking about adding these myself 'just in
> case'!
> >
> > ..lance
> >
>
> I disassembled the terminal and reassembled it with the lock washer on
> the bottom of the plate inside the tank to get additional clearance and
> then ground down the end of the screw flush with the top of the nut. I
> also installed an access cover over the sending unit. I didn't ask ZAC
> about it, it shouldn't effect the structural strength.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
In the flea market at EAA this year, I saw the most amazing dent and crease
remover for aluminum. I consisted of a very strong magnet, and a piece of
steel placed behind the dent! The steel was shaped in different fashons
depending on the dent and where it was used. This guy dented a piece of
aluminum, then gently massaged the dent out. Even works ofer paint! It was
amazing. It was priced way too high, but I can see some homebuilders putting
something like this together at a fraction of the cost.
Joe
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
I found the website:
http://www.magneticdentremovalsystem.com/mdrsmpeg.html
This looks almost too good to be true.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
<zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
In the flea market at EAA this year, I saw the most amazing dent and crease
remover for aluminum. I consisted of a very strong magnet, and a piece of
steel placed behind the dent! The steel was shaped in different fashons
depending on the dent and where it was used. This guy dented a piece of
aluminum, then gently massaged the dent out. Even works ofer paint! It was
amazing. It was priced way too high, but I can see some homebuilders putting
something like this together at a fraction of the cost.
Joe
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| Subject: | main gear spring 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Can anyone offer advice on the best approach on how to form the main gear spring
7-L-2-1J? I have been studying the drawing and am not sure if I should attempt
it my self or send it out to a shop. I'm afraid most shops will throw up
there hands when they see it is for an airplane. I supose I could redraw the
plans and tell them it is for a farm implement. Maybe for a cart to go behind
my hay baler? lol
Bob B. 701 # 7-5552
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
List . . . I saw a guy working on a car in a dealer lot next to our airport.
I don't know if he was using this system or something similar, but he
removed a serious dent without messing up the paint job. So it can be done.
I believe he said he charged something like $150. Robert Schoenberger 701
40% do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
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> I found the website:
> http://www.magneticdentremovalsystem.com/mdrsmpeg.html
> This looks almost too good to be true.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; "Zenith-List Digest List"
> <zenith-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List:
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
>
> In the flea market at EAA this year, I saw the most amazing dent and
crease
> remover for aluminum. I consisted of a very strong magnet, and a piece of
> steel placed behind the dent! The steel was shaped in different fashons
> depending on the dent and where it was used. This guy dented a piece of
> aluminum, then gently massaged the dent out. Even works ofer paint! It was
> amazing. It was priced way too high, but I can see some homebuilders
putting
> something like this together at a fraction of the cost.
>
> Joe
>
>
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| Subject: | Pitot tube - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
List . . . I'm about ready to wrap up my 701 left wing, and the question of the
pitot tube arises. How are did rest of you handling this component? On the
one supplied with the kit, do you just put a rivet in the corners of the small
mounting plate that is fastened to the tube and then mount it on the skin somewhere
near where the strut attaches to the wing? Or should it be mounted to something
more sturdy like a rib flange? I'm reluctant to install it before I
mount the wings to the fuselage somewhere down the pike as I'm afraid it will
get damaged or broken off when I store the wing. Would there be anything wrong
with pulling the flexible tube from the root through the wing and out the pitot
tube hole in the skin, and then later attaching it to the pitot and stuffing
the tube back in the hole just before riveting the mounting plate to the skin?
Has anyone ever mounted a pitot tube to a strut so that all parts are accessible
in the future, and if so, where to get one? A/S shows one, but I'm not
sure about the mounting. I'm not concerned with looks on this bush plane.
Thx for your help. Robert Schoenberger 701 40%
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
I bought a pitot tube from Aircraft Spruce P/N15135. The center of the
mount flange is 3 inches in front of the spar and centered between the jury
strut and the main strut. I riveted a nut plate inside the wing with a hole
in the center to get to the tubing. I left the pitot tube itself off most
of the time before the inspection. I was afraid I'd poke out an eye or
break it off. I now have access to the tube as needed. I got the mounting
position from Roger at ZAC.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Pitot tube - 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
<hrs1@frontiernet.net>
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> List . . . I'm about ready to wrap up my 701 left wing, and the question
of the pitot tube arises. How are did rest of you handling this component?
On the one supplied with the kit, do you just put a rivet in the corners of
the small mounting plate that is fastened to the tube and then mount it on
the skin somewhere near where the strut attaches to the wing? Or should it
be mounted to something more sturdy like a rib flange? I'm reluctant to
install it before I
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| Subject: | CH701 Flying Characteristics |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: howado <howado@cwia.com>
Builders of the CH701 who are getting ready to fly might be interested
in the article by Niol Lockington at http://kolbpilot.com/ch701.
It has info not found in the flight manual.
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Robert,
When my wings were being handled, stored, and attached,
my 601 pitot had something of the same problem. I mounted the pitot bracket
to a
.025 disk with 4 holes in it and then used 4 plate nuts attached
peripherally about the
hole the disk fit over. Two tubes were tie-tied to the flared tubes on
assembly.
Pictures can be seen at www.macsmachine.com on the wing / electrical
routing.
I did fabricate my own pitot, and it works fine.
Larry McFarland (10.5 hours flight time)
Do not archive
Subject: Zenith-List: Pitot tube - 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
<hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> List . . . I'm about ready to wrap up my 701 left wing, and the question
of the pitot tube arises. How are did rest of you handling this component?
On the one supplied with the kit, do you just put a rivet in the corners of
the small mounting plate that is fastened to the tube and then mount it on
the skin somewhere near where the strut attaches to the wing? Or should it
be mounted to something more sturdy like a rib flange? I'm reluctant to
install it before I mount the wings to the fuselage somewhere down the pike
as I'm afraid it will get damaged or broken off when I store the wing.
Would there be anything wrong with pulling the flexible tube from the root
through the wing and out the pitot tube hole in the skin, and then later
attaching it to the pitot and stuffing the tube back in the hole just before
riveting the mounting plate to the skin? Has anyone ever mounted a pitot
tube to a strut so that all parts are accessible in the future, and if so,
where to get one?!
> A/S shows one, but I'm not sure about the mounting. I'm not concerned
with looks on this bush plane. Thx for your help. Robert Schoenberger 701
40%
>
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| Subject: | Leading edge skin crease |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Well, list, I think I managed to get rid of most of my leading edge
skin crease.
The spoon thing didn't work too well. I couldn't put much pressure in
the places I wanted to while reaching over the skin.
I ended up using plastic hammer on the outside with a heavy block or
wood on the inside. I coaxed most of the crease out, and I decided to
stop tapping in case I started things worse!
Now the leading egde looks pretty good. You can't see any dent/crease
unless you are looking for it. So if you see my one day...don't look for
it, OK?!
Thanks everyone for the advice,
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | main gear spring 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lee Thomas" <cltvet@mail.ocis.net>
Bob,
We used a hydraulic exhaust tube bender. Use some pieces of plywood in the
area of the actual bend to prevent scratching the bar.Used a card board
template to compare to while bending so got the right radius bend. Turned
out quite good.
Lee
----- Can anyone offer advice on the best approach on how to form the main
gear spring 7-L-2-1J? I have been studying the drawing and am not sure if I
should attempt it my self or send it out to a shop. I'm afraid most shops
will throw up there hands when they see it is for an airplane. I supose I
could redraw the plans and tell them it is for a farm implement. Maybe for
a cart to go behind my hay baler? lol
Bob B. 701 # 7-5552
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@isp.com>
Hey Chuck, I asked this question once before, but did not get an answer.
How far does the pitot tube extent in front of the slat?
I am using a Dynon EFIS with their pitot tube, has sensors in it. I don't
have it yet, back ordered. I will have to build some kind of bracket.
Dynon says they don't know how far to put it, but they think the slats will
interfere. I don't know for sure what the guy said, he was some kind of,
well he didn't speak southern, and I don't understand broken Yankee. And, I
got tired of saying, "what?, or say that again".
If anyone could help me out I would appreciate it. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Pitot tube - 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
>
> I bought a pitot tube from Aircraft Spruce P/N15135. The center of the
> mount flange is 3 inches in front of the spar and centered between the
jury
> strut and the main strut. I riveted a nut plate inside the wing with a
hole
> in the center to get to the tubing. I left the pitot tube itself off most
> of the time before the inspection. I was afraid I'd poke out an eye or
> break it off. I now have access to the tube as needed. I got the
mounting
> position from Roger at ZAC.
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
> To: "Zenith List" <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Pitot tube - 701
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
> >
> > List . . . I'm about ready to wrap up my 701 left wing, and the question
> of the pitot tube arises. How are did rest of you handling this
component?
> On the one supplied with the kit, do you just put a rivet in the corners
of
> the small mounting plate that is fastened to the tube and then mount it on
> the skin somewhere near where the strut attaches to the wing? Or should it
> be mounted to something more sturdy like a rib flange? I'm reluctant to
> install it before I
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube - 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Larry,
I have the unheated tube for the Dynon system.
They don't tell you when you order it that they are
the middle man, and you can order a mounting kit from
their supplier, Gretz Aero. The part number is
PH502-12CR. You can get the pitot tubes there too,
but I can't remember if the price is better or not.
-worth checking out for those in the market:
www.gretzaero.com
Examples of the installation:
http://bmnellis.com/WingSkinning3.htm
http://www.cafes.net/leo/RV-6/Pitot/Pitot.html
You can order a chrome or paintable kit. It is
pretty pricey for what you get, but Includes all the
hardware needed. Does not include any lines or
fittings to attach to the tube.
As for where, I am building a 601. Sorry.
As for communication - E-mail always works. I
have a limited ability to communicate in southern or
yank!
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
Closing second wing
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