---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/25/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: Matco Brakes (Andrew SanClemente) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: 701 Flipping Wing Over (John Flavin) 3. 04:32 AM - Re: Wire terminals (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 4. 04:43 AM - Re: Matco Brakes (Rich) 5. 09:48 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 08/24/04 (Brett Hanley) 6. 12:43 PM - Garmin GPSMAP 295 for sale, $600 (royt.or@netzero.com) 7. 01:02 PM - Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? (Steve Boxall) 8. 01:32 PM - Re: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for (Mike Fothergill) 9. 01:55 PM - Re: Matco Brakes (Dave Austin) 10. 02:17 PM - Re: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 11. 03:54 PM - advertisements (Zed Smith) 12. 04:47 PM - Re: advertisements (Aaron) 13. 05:20 PM - Re: advertisements (Ken Szewc) 14. 05:32 PM - Re: advertisements (Gary Gower) 15. 05:54 PM - Re: advertisements - (BrownTool@aol.com) 16. 06:43 PM - Re: advertisements - (LRM) 17. 06:43 PM - Re: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? (Don Walker) 18. 06:44 PM - Re: advertisements - (Chris Boultinghouse) 19. 07:07 PM - Advertisements (Robert Schoenberger) 20. 08:31 PM - Re: Advertisements (Ray Montagne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:52 AM PST US From: Andrew SanClemente Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matco Brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente So, basically I didn't need to change the cylinder, ARGGG!!!! Thanks for the information, I should have done more research before swapping it out but no harm done, now I have a spare! - Andy DO NOT ARCHIVE So, basically I didn't need to change the cylinder, ARGGG!!!! Thanks for the information, I should have done more research before swapping it out but no harm done, now I have a spare! - Andy DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:26 AM PST US From: "John Flavin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Flipping Wing Over --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Flavin" "Riveting a loose nose skin to the bottom per ZAC instructions after it's flipped doesn't sound too easy either. Does anyone have a special technique? It isn't heavy, but it surely is awkward..." Robert: I tried that on my right 701 wing and it went pretty well. Flipped the wing over so the top front spar cap overhung the edge of the edge of the workbench by 20mm or so, then used sawhorses and some scrap plywood, etc to make a temporary shelf beside the bench an inch or so below the spar. Slid the nose skin onto the shelf, then work got down on my back and cleco'd it from underneath. Was pretty easy, and no risk to the nose skin. John Flavin Raleigh, NC most of 701 tail feather done, 75% of right wing ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:54 AM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wire terminals --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I got one from an Ebay auction, an ANCOR crimping tool. works great. They are also sold at B and C specialty products. http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#RCT-1 -- N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Construction complete. Waiting on the inspection. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" > > Any recommendations on where to get such a tool? > > George > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "howado" > To: "Zenith-List" > Subject: Zenith-List: Wire terminals I got one from an Ebay auction, an ANCOR crimping tool. works great. They are also sold at B and C specialty products. http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#RCT-1 -- N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. Construction complete. Waiting on the inspection. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" Any recommendations on where to get such a tool? George ----- Original Message ----- From: "howado" To: "Zenith-List" Subject: Zenith-List: Wire terminals ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:21 AM PST US From: "Rich" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matco Brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rich" I read it on the Matco site that this is normal. It is part of the venting. Rich 801 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Montagne" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matco Brakes > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne > > On 8/24/04 4:25 PM, "Andrew SanClemente" wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente > > > > I have a question on the Matco Brake Cylinders. I was getting some > > fluid on the top of my cylinder so I assumed it was bad. I ordered a > > new one which came with a bleeder screw made of nylon. The screw had > > a hole drilled down the middle, my older cylinders have a solid > > bleeder screw. > > I installed the new cylinder and used my old solid bleeder screw and > > I am still getting fluid coming out around the shaft. Has anyone else > > experienced this or know whats going on? > > > > Thanks for the help! > > -Andy > > > > My brother warned me about this. He fabricated extension tubes for the > vents at the top of the cylinders and curled the tubes in a complete circle > so that the physical height of the vent tube extension is limited > (approximately 1.5 inches in diameter if I remember correctly from the last > time I looked at his plane). I haven't made this modification myself - yet > - but plan to do so. I know that he has no mess in the cockpit and never > has.... > > If you'd like, I can get more detailed instructions. Please advise... > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Best Regards, Ray Montagne > Cupertino, CA > > =========================================================================== > > Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL > Build Status: Rudder completed > Elevator Completed > Stabilizer Completed > Flaps Completed > Ailerons Completed > Right Wing Completed > Right Wing Tip Completed > Left Wing Completed > Right Wing Tip Completed > Fuselage Under Construction > > NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include > the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' will be rejected and will not > be viewable by me. > > =========================================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:33 AM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 08/24/04 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley Check out http://steinair.com/ for great prices on amp terminals and wire. They also have great fuse blocks and crimping tools. Brett Hanley ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:47 PM PST US From: "royt.or@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: Garmin GPSMAP 295 for sale, $600 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" Im going to upgrade my GPSMAP 295 to a GPSMAP 296. I can get $600 trade in for the 295. Id be happy to sell the 295 for $600 plus shipping. This would include: GPSMAP 295 Receiver One Americas Highway basemap Built-in Jeppesen Database Yoke Mount Dashboard mount GA26 Low-Profile Antenna PC Interface Cable Cigarette Lighter Adapter Carrying Case User's Manual Quick-Reference Guide Garmin training video Please let me know by Sunday 8/29 if you are interested in buying this. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 283hrs, 349 landings ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:05 PM PST US From: "Steve Boxall" Subject: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Boxall" Can anyone advise on how a 601 taildragger (Rotax 912, no flaps) might handle regular operation from a short (300m / 1000ft) grass strip? Takeoff performance doesn't appear to be an issue, but I'm wondering about how the aircraft pitch attitude without flaps would affect a short field landing (can you see the strip to jockey yourself right on to the end) and can you see over the nose once you've landed so that you can see where you are on the strip (will the aircraft stop in time, or should I go round)? Any other thoughts / comments about operating from a strip this length? The strip is largely used my microlights, and has about 200m / 600ft at each end before any obstacles (a stand of trees at one end, a wire fence at the other). Thanks Steve ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:43 PM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi; Landing will be the problem. If you can drag it in to the approach, it will be OK. If the approach has to be high to clear an obstacle, you will need a headwind. Mike UHS Spinners Steve Boxall wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Boxall" > > Can anyone advise on how a 601 taildragger (Rotax 912, no flaps) might handle regular operation from a short (300m / 1000ft) grass strip? > > Takeoff performance doesn't appear to be an issue, but I'm wondering about how the aircraft pitch attitude without flaps would affect a short field landing (can you see the strip to jockey yourself right on to the end) and can you see over the nose once you've landed so that you can see where you are on the strip (will the aircraft stop in time, or should I go round)? > > Any other thoughts / comments about operating from a strip this length? > > The strip is largely used my microlights, and has about 200m / 600ft at each end before any obstacles (a stand of trees at one end, a wire fence at the other). > > Thanks > > Steve > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:52 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Matco Brakes --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" The stud on top is actually a breather hole. Needs it to work. I agree with others - just mop it up till the surplus is gone. Mine have worked for ten years that way. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:18 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Is this true with the 100HP rotax?...I often fly the 100HP soob HDS out of a 1600ft grass strip with pretty big trees... If you don't have the plane yet you could get hold of www.ramengines.com he has a 140HP soob set up....I bet that would climb out of there with no problem. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill --> Hi; Landing will be the problem. If you can drag it in to the approach, it will be OK. If the approach has to be high to clear an obstacle, you will need a headwind. Mike UHS Spinners Steve Boxall wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Boxall" > --> > > Can anyone advise on how a 601 taildragger (Rotax 912, no flaps) might > handle regular operation from a short (300m / 1000ft) grass strip? > > Takeoff performance doesn't appear to be an issue, but I'm wondering > about how the aircraft pitch attitude without flaps would affect a > short field landing (can you see the strip to jockey yourself right on > to the end) and can you see over the nose once you've landed so that > you can see where you are on the strip (will the aircraft stop in > time, or should I go round)? > > Any other thoughts / comments about operating from a strip this > length? > > The strip is largely used my microlights, and has about 200m / 600ft > at each end before any obstacles (a stand of trees at one end, a wire > fence at the other). > > Thanks > > Steve > > > > > > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:46 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: advertisements --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith What follows is purely personal. One of the two things everybody has is an opinion. I'm a member of this list, like most others, to exchange ideas as we build aircraft. Most of us are intelligent enough to select a source of materials, supplies and tools. The last thing we need is commercial venture monitoring the list, then jumping in at every opportunity to hawk their wares. Don't call us, we'll call you, Brown Tool. That goes for 'Spruce, Czech Aeroplane Kompany, and everybody else. Thank you very much. No charge for the advice. Have a nice day. Batteries not included. Zed Smith 701/R912/90% to archive or not to archive, dat be de question ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:43 PM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: advertisements --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" > The last thing we need is commercial venture monitoring the list, then jumping in > at every opportunity to hawk their wares. Ditto here do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:25 PM PST US From: Ken Szewc Subject: RE: Zenith-List: advertisements --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Szewc I have to disagree (my two cents). As long as it is done professionally and pertains to an active topic then it is OK. Chip Erwin of Czech Aircraft has more experience building and flying Zenith aircraft in different configurations than anyone on the planet. His opinion on topics are always welcome and OK with me. The last thing we need is commercial venture monitoring the list, then jumping in at every opportunity to hawk their wares. Don't call us, we'll call you, Brown Tool. That goes for 'Spruce, Czech Aeroplane Kompany, and everybody else. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:43 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: advertisements --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Zed, I have something important to say here... I can tell that, for what I remember, all the time that Chip (from Czech Aircraft) has posted something in the list, is mostly something related with the flying and construction of our airplanes HE IS ONE OF US! Is like having Nick, Sebastien or Mr Chris Heintz itself monitoring and giving advise to us. Just try to ask him advice about flying the planes with floats and he will give the advise FREE to you without even thinking. Everytime he has answered off list a question to me, is a real honor and is always great advise. I dont think that there is someone of us (in this list) with more experience building and flying our aiplanes (601's or 701) that Chip, and here you can find real experts in machinery that we all inmediatly recognize as experts without looking their credentials. Zed: Honestly, Chip deserves an apoligy from you. Saludos Gary Gower Guadalajara, Mexico 701 912S 99.99999% finished --- Zed Smith wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith > > > What follows is purely personal. > One of the two things everybody has is an opinion. > I'm a member of this list, like most others, to exchange ideas as we > build aircraft. > Most of us are intelligent enough to select a source of materials, > supplies and tools. > The last thing we need is commercial venture monitoring the list, > then jumping in > at every opportunity to hawk their wares. > Don't call us, we'll call you, Brown Tool. > That goes for 'Spruce, Czech Aeroplane Kompany, and everybody else. > Thank you very much. > No charge for the advice. > Have a nice day. > Batteries not included. > > Zed Smith > 701/R912/90% > to archive or not to archive, dat be de question > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:26 PM PST US From: BrownTool@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: advertisements - --> Zenith-List message posted by: BrownTool@aol.com DO NOT ARCHIVE Mr. Zed Smith: Thank you for sharing your opinion about "advertisements" on the Zenith List owned by Matronics and Matt Dralle. I have been a member of the list for several years and post an "advertisement" about once a year on average. Matt has in the past made it very clear that occasional commercial announcements are ok with him as long as they are not pervasive and have relevance. I feel I have met both of those criteria. I do not know how long you have been on the list, but I am sure you can check the archives to review the history of this subject. I would also point out that Brown Aviation Tool Supply has in the past and will continue to in the future make donations to the Matronics lists. As a matter of fact we have in the past donated Gift Certificates for Matt to offer as incentives to contributors to the list. We are not some company lurking in the background waiting to "hawk our wares at every opportunity" as you suggested. We serve thousands of Kit Builders (including many Zenith builders) all over the world and are pleased to do so. If the general consensus of the Zenith List family is "go away", I will do exactly that....there is no sense "lurking" where we are unwanted. The following blurb is pasted from the List Usage Guidelines and is a quote from Matt: "I will often offer you free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated When I do post a message, the last thing in the world I want to do is offend anyone - that is why I clearly indicate that my post is an advertisement, so that you can quickly hit your delete key and move on to more pressing matters. I can tell you that many listers responded in a positive way to my post as evidenced by the very large increase in visits to the surplus section of our website last evening, and if you havent visited yet, you are missing out :-) (A shameless plug) Regards, Michael Brown Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. Oklahoma City, OK www.browntool.com ABSOLUTELY DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:13 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: advertisements - --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" Well, at least it had something to do with aircraft instead of tractors. If I wanted to know which tractor is best, I will go to a tractor list. I like a little advertisement once in a while, they can be very informative. I am also a sucker for bargains. I didn't know Brown Tool existed, now it's on my list for the next time I need a tool. I get about every aircraft magazine there is and have to admit I spend about half the time looking at the advertisements and, so do the rest of you if you would admit it. I would object if we had a lot of advertisement type posting, but we don't, so leave it alone. If it gets out of hand, I am sure Mat will take care of it. Plus, getting off the list is real easy. Larry N1345L P.S. I got a New Holland and like it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: advertisements - > --> Zenith-List message posted by: BrownTool@aol.com > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Mr. Zed Smith: > > Thank you for sharing your opinion about "advertisements" on the Zenith List > owned by Matronics and Matt Dralle. I have been a member of the list for > several years and post an "advertisement" about once a year on average. Matt has > in the past made it very clear that occasional commercial announcements are ok > with him as long as they are not pervasive and have relevance. I feel I have > met both of those criteria. I do not know how long you have been on the list, > but I am sure you can check the archives to review the history of this > subject. > > I would also point out that Brown Aviation Tool Supply has in the past and > will continue to in the future make donations to the Matronics lists. As a > matter of fact we have in the past donated Gift Certificates for Matt to offer as > incentives to contributors to the list. We are not some company lurking in the > background waiting to "hawk our wares at every opportunity" as you suggested. > We serve thousands of Kit Builders (including many Zenith builders) all over > the world and are pleased to do so. If the general consensus of the Zenith > List family is "go away", I will do exactly that....there is no sense "lurking" > where we are unwanted. > > The following blurb is pasted from the List Usage Guidelines and is a quote > from Matt: > > "I will often offer you free gifts with certain contribution levels during > the > Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually > donated > > When I do post a message, the last thing in the world I want to do is offend > anyone - that is why I clearly indicate that my post is an advertisement, so > that you can quickly hit your delete key and move on to more pressing matters. > I can tell you that many listers responded in a positive way to my post as > evidenced by the very large increase in visits to the surplus section of our > website last evening, and if you havent visited yet, you are missing out :-) > (A shameless plug) > > Regards, > > Michael Brown > Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. > Oklahoma City, OK > www.browntool.com > > > ABSOLUTELY DO NOT ARCHIVE > > --- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:13 PM PST US From: "Don Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:25:00 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" My HDS tail dragger slows down really fast. With the longer, fatter wings and lighter weight the HD should do pretty well. Seeing will be no problem. Wheel land or pop the tail up after touchdown and carry it up til it settles in at about 25 mph. You will need a little more room with a passenger...more momentum... use your brakes. It looks like you have 2200 feet to work with if you need to...if the 600 on each end is okay for roll out. I think you can do it if you are okay with making precision landings every time you have to come in over the trees and don't mind using the brakes. don walker-- Original Message ----- From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > Is this true with the 100HP rotax?...I often fly the 100HP soob HDS out of a 1600ft grass strip with pretty big trees... If you don't have the plane yet you could get hold of www.ramengines.com he has a 140HP soob set up....I bet that would climb out of there with no problem. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fothergill To: zenith-list@matronics.com.a.short.strip? Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is a CH601HD taildragger the right aircraft for a short strip? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill --> > Hi; Landing will be the problem. If you can drag it in to the approach, it will be OK. If the approach has to be high to clear an obstacle, you will need a headwind. Mike UHS Spinners Steve Boxall wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Boxall" > --> > > > Can anyone advise on how a 601 taildragger (Rotax 912, no flaps) might > handle regular operation from a short (300m / 1000ft) grass strip? > > Takeoff performance doesn't appear to be an issue, but I'm wondering > about how the aircraft pitch attitude without flaps would affect a > short field landing (can you see the strip to jockey yourself right on > to the end) and can you see over the nose once you've landed so that > you can see where you are on the strip (will the aircraft stop in > time, or should I go round)? > > Any other thoughts / comments about operating from a strip this > length? > > The strip is largely used my microlights, and has about 200m / 600ft > at each end before any obstacles (a stand of trees at one end, a wire > fence at the other). > > Thanks > > Steve > > > > > > > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:52 PM PST US From: "Chris Boultinghouse" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: advertisements - --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" I will say that Mr. Brown's (very infrequent) posts do not bother me one bit. I am a Brown Tool customer, and have nothing but good things to say about their prices and service. I have recommended them to my fellow builders and chapter members, and will continue to do so. Considering the fact that they specialize in tools for building metal airplanes, I see no reason to be hostile towards them, and I certainly don't see any abuse going on here. I look at it this way: The one or two yearly airplane-related "advertisements" on this Matronics-supported list is FAR better than all of the spam forced down my throat on the Yahoo lists on a daily basis. Count your blessings. Regards, Chris Boultinghouse Austin, TX Sonex N260SX (reserved) http://sonex260.wheelsup.org DO NOT ARCHIVE > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > BrownTool@aol.com <> ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:08 PM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Zenith-List: Advertisements --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Come on guys. Brown Tool is one of us. They are an essential part of the building game and anytime they want to be helpful, either with advice or saving us money, I'm all for it. In the past when I have called their shop, I have found their advice to be very honest and helpful even if it didn't result in a sale. Let's save the flames for the guys out to make a quick buck for things we don't need. Robert Schoenberger 701 40% Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Advertisements From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 8/25/04 7:06 PM, "Robert Schoenberger" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > > Frankly - this thread is more annoying than any advertisement... DO NOT ARCHIVE