---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/31/04: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:00 AM - Props (Phil Raker) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Props (LRM) 3. 06:14 AM - Filling dents (Bill Morelli) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: Filling dents (Larry McFarland) 5. 06:43 AM - New Forum with Zenith Section (Scott Laughlin) 6. 07:23 AM - Re: CH601 owners- Please read this. (Scott Laughlin) 7. 07:46 AM - Re: CH601 owners- Please read this - Engine Mount Fittings (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 8. 10:32 AM - Re: CH601 owners- Please read this. (Larry McFarland) 9. 12:40 PM - Re: New Forum with Zenith Section (Mark Townsend) 10. 01:27 PM - Re: New Forum with Zenith Section (ALEMBIC7@aol.com) 11. 02:10 PM - Fairing the 601XL Steps (Gig Giacona) 12. 02:19 PM - Re: New Forum with Zenith Section (Larry McFarland) 13. 02:37 PM - Re: Fairing the 601XL Steps (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 14. 03:39 PM - Re: Fairing the 601XL Steps (Jack Russell) 15. 03:47 PM - Woodcomp (Leo J. Corbalis) 16. 06:26 PM - Re: Woodcomp (Larry McFarland) 17. 06:46 PM - Re: New Forum with Zenith Section (LRM) 18. 06:46 PM - Re: Filling dents (LRM) 19. 07:21 PM - Re: New Forum with Zenith Section (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:54 AM PST US From: Phil Raker Subject: Zenith-List: Props --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker Hi, Paul, A valid question. As you say, there are lots of variables. I just finally got my prop mounted (temporarily) yesterday and measured the tip-to-ground clearance. I have an HDS Tri-gear (Aren't all models of tri-gear 601 dimensionally the same in the firewall area?), with Stratus Subaru (EA-81), WarpDrive 68" 3-blade, standard wheels & tires all 'round. The clearance measured 8.5". Phil Raker N556P ~85% completed --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" A new question for the list: I can't seem to find this dimension on the plans or website anywhere. I know this is a variable since tire sizes, weight, and other things affect it, but what is the prop clearance on the typical tri-gear XL? Or, crank CL to ground measurement in order to know what the maximum prop diameter can be (must also allow for front strut suspension movement as well)? _______________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:02 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Props --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" Clearance must be at least 7" between ground and prop tip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Moore" Subject: Zenith-List: Props > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" > > Great information Jeff - thanks! > > A new question for the list: I can't seem to find this dimension on the > plans or website anywhere. > > I know this is a variable since tire sizes, weight, and other things affect > it, but what is the prop clearance on the typical tri-gear XL? Or, crank CL > to ground measurement in order to know what the maximum prop diameter can be > (must also allow for front strut suspension movement as well)? > > > Paul > > --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:42 AM PST US From: "Bill Morelli" Subject: Zenith-List: Filling dents 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" I am interested in painting some trim on my HDS. The area I want to paint has some small dents in the aluminum skin. - What is the best filler material to fill small dents prior to painting? - What needs to be done to the aluminum before filling to ensure the filler will stay in place? Regards, Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 368.9 flight hrs. - 491 landings, (1 ON ICE!!) web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/ | ---=( )=--- 0 0 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:46 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filling dents --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Bill, I had a dink on the wing half the depth and the area of a dime that was scotch brited and applied directly to the aluminum with a playing card. USC laquer body putty #32035 from a tube. About the consistency of a heavy tooth paste. It's still there 3-years later. I think this stuff would work for you. Larry McFarland -601HDS Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morelli" Subject: Zenith-List: Filling dents > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" > > I am interested in painting some trim on my HDS. The area I want to paint has some small dents in the aluminum skin. > > - What is the best filler material to fill small dents prior to painting? > > - What needs to be done to the aluminum before filling to ensure the filler will stay in place? > > Regards, > Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 368.9 flight hrs. - 491 landings, (1 ON ICE!!) > web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/ > > | > ---=( )=--- > 0 0 > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:12 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" Hi All: I really enjoy checking my email every day to find items from this forum. I have discovered another forum which uses a different format that I kind of like. It's brand new, so there are not many posts, but maybe that will change. Check it out at: http://www.wingsforum.com/forums/ I see a few advantages to the new forum - it does not use email, you can see all the threads and only click on the topics of interest and not open the others, your email folder won't be full when you return from a 2-day trip, etc. I don't know if this one will take off, but I like the format. Give it a try. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:32 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" A note to 601XL builders on this topic. I fabricated the top and bottom engine mount brackets exactly according to the plans. I used computer plotted paper and glued it to the 4130 steel, then cut it out. I bent it exactly as described and welded the mounts according to the drawings. The bottom mounts were a close fit, but the top mounts were not even close. I then made some paper templates and made them fit exactly to my longerons and firewall. I don't know if my airplane is completely wrong or if the drawings are out of whack, but the top mounting brackets according to the drawings do not fit. I'm thinking of adding a second mount under the top mounts for extra security. It will be attached to the longeron with a new hole and bolt through the firewall (same bolts throught the longeron). The engine mount will have two bolt holes for each top mount. Just an idea. In any case, if you are planning on fabricating your own engine mounting brackets, make them out of paper first and fit them to the firewall and longerons to be sure you have a good fit. Here's a close-up of my upper bracket bolted in place: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/8_7_04_UpperMount.JPG Questions, comments and suggestions are welcome. Happy Building, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithtgas.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Certainly could have Don, The important relationship is the bolt being 90 degrees to the engine mount flange. If it is not the welds will be pre stressed maybe not sitting flush to the engine mount flange. The engine shakes and the engine mounts act as a sring soaking up the vibrations. Perfect environment for fatigue cracking. On another metallurgy note (this is Engineers guide to fatigue failures 101)..Over tightening a bolt will NOT lead to fatigue cracks in a bolt itself. The torque values of bolts in A/C is VERY low...Probably more to do with not scratching the aluminium under the bolt rather what the steel bolt can handle. UNDER tightening of a bolt however (like on a cylinder head) can well lead to fatigue failures as the stress in the bolt can vary with the load cycling, if the load goes up above the tension put in the bolt. If the engine mount was a few degrees out of square, it may well be that tightening the bolt further could have straigthened the joint up and it might not have failed. As the springy-ness might have been removed from the out of square joint. It may be that this is one of a very few failures for this reason.. Thats what I'm hoping for!....:) Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Walker Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" In 93' when I was building my HDS airframe, I noticed two brackets in which the bolts had been welded in a number of degrees out of square. I had them replaced by ZAC and checked them well before installing them. The note below inspired me to inspect mine this morning...all solid after 340 hours. The uppers can be reached easily by hand...reaching along the upper longeron to be inspected by touch...and the lowers are easy as well. I have this as a part of my annual inspection of course. But I wonder if these brackets had been installed as they came from the factory...out of square...would this have contributed to separation when torqued down with the engine mount. don walker----- Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this - Engine Mount Fittings From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" It's a single bolt, or at least it was on mine. Frank Stratus with Ram heads 341 hours I did not get any drawings with my stratus mount. Does anyone have one they could scan and send to me? I cant picture how there could be another bolt could come through the firewall close to the 3/8 motor mount bolt. Thanks. Jim Pollard Merlin Ont ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:12 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Scott, I looked at your bracket and would advise this. Put a bend where the weld is. Put the weld where your black line is and move the bend and black line to closer proximity with the bolt because it is a reinforcing element. It'd be better with one on each side which would make 3 bends and two welds, and be a whole lot stronger. These are often easier to bend around a form block shaped to fit the area minus the thickness. Respectfully, Larry McFarland - 601 at 12.2 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > A note to 601XL builders on this topic. I fabricated the top and bottom > engine mount brackets exactly according to the plans. I used computer > plotted paper and glued it to the 4130 steel, then cut it out. I bent it > exactly as described and welded the mounts according to the drawings. The > bottom mounts were a close fit, but the top mounts were not even close. I > then made some paper templates and made them fit exactly to my longerons and > firewall. > > I don't know if my airplane is completely wrong or if the drawings are out > of whack, but the top mounting brackets according to the drawings do not > fit. I'm thinking of adding a second mount under the top mounts for extra > security. It will be attached to the longeron with a new hole and bolt > through the firewall (same bolts throught the longeron). The engine mount > will have two bolt holes for each top mount. Just an idea. > > In any case, if you are planning on fabricating your own engine mounting > brackets, make them out of paper first and fit them to the firewall and > longerons to be sure you have a good fit. > > Here's a close-up of my upper bracket bolted in place: > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/8_7_04_UpperMount.JPG > > Questions, comments and suggestions are welcome. > > Happy Building, > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithtgas.com > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:46:01 -0700 > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > > Certainly could have Don, > > The important relationship is the bolt being 90 degrees to the engine > mount flange. If it is not the welds will be pre stressed maybe not > sitting flush to the engine mount flange. The engine shakes and the > engine mounts act as a sring soaking up the vibrations. > > Perfect environment for fatigue cracking. > > On another metallurgy note (this is Engineers guide to fatigue failures > 101)..Over tightening a bolt will NOT lead to fatigue cracks in a bolt > itself. The torque values of bolts in A/C is VERY low...Probably more to > do with not scratching the aluminium under the bolt rather what the > steel bolt can handle. > > UNDER tightening of a bolt however (like on a cylinder head) can well > lead to fatigue failures as the stress in the bolt can vary with the > load cycling, if the load goes up above the tension put in the bolt. > > If the engine mount was a few degrees out of square, it may well be that > tightening the bolt further could have straigthened the joint up and it > might not have failed. As the springy-ness might have been removed from > the out of square joint. > > It may be that this is one of a very few failures for this reason.. > > Thats what I'm hoping for!....:) > > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Walker > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 owners- Please read this. > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" > > In 93' when I was building my HDS airframe, I noticed two brackets in > which the bolts had been welded in a number of degrees out of square. I > had them replaced by ZAC and checked them well before installing them. > The note below inspired me to inspect mine this morning...all solid > after 340 hours. The uppers can be reached easily by hand...reaching > along the upper longeron to be inspected by touch...and the lowers are > easy as well. > I have this as a part of my annual inspection of course. But I wonder > if these brackets had been installed as they came from the factory...out > of square...would this have contributed to separation when torqued down > with the engine mount. don walker----- > > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:52 PM PST US From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Personally I hope that the new forum can thrive without the help of Zenith Builders. I have, over the years grown to love the Zenith list from the matronics server. It may not be perfect and at times annoying but if it weren't for getting all of those E-Mails I would have missed out on allot of information. To divide the builders presently on this list into another forum would leave valuable information in two different area's. This is not, what I believe, would be preferred for a new builder, it is far better to have everything in one group shared amongst all. It also shows that we all support each other in our building experience as one group, a Zenith nation if you will. I have noticed over the last few months a decline in the number of 701 posts and hardly ever hear from 640 builders, in looking around I have found new groups for both of these Zenith Angels. When I look into the postings I see some information that would have been useful to others, it's too bad they are no longer with us on this list. I personally would much rather see us all stay here and continue to enjoy the posts of what I call Friends. Maybe I'm too sentimental or just mental? Who knows, it is just how I feel ! cdngoose ----- Original Message ----- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > Hi All: > > I really enjoy checking my email every day to find items from this forum. I > have discovered another forum which uses a different format that I kind of > like. It's brand new, so there are not many posts, but maybe that will > change. Check it out at: > > http://www.wingsforum.com/forums/ > > I see a few advantages to the new forum - it does not use email, you can see > all the threads and only click on the topics of interest and not open the > others, your email folder won't be full when you return from a 2-day trip, > etc. > > I don't know if this one will take off, but I like the format. Give it a > try. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:05 PM PST US From: ALEMBIC7@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section --> Zenith-List message posted by: ALEMBIC7@aol.com In a message dated 8/31/04 7:41:49 PM, 601xl@sympatico.ca writes: << -> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Personally I hope that the new forum can thrive without the help of Zenith >> Oh...where have the 701 fans gone then? Would like to know/follow. 701 tailfeathers/AZlurker do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:39 PM PST US From: "Gig Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Fairing the 601XL Steps --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" Looking at some parts the other day I realized the steps seem like the would be fairly "dragy". What's the opinion of the group to welding on some fairing shaped steel tube to the step and the step strut? I've also considered fairing the area below the fuselage where the gear attach. Opinions? GigG ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:14 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" You're very correct on both active and archival parts of Zenith posting. It seems people migrate back and forth, as there were 3 or 4 sites trying to become the main one, but I don't think any of them will beat the Matronics pages because it's a powerhouse of info and operation. The method of communicating on the others is a little clumsy as well. I support Matt with generous donations every year, but none of the others. Larry McFarland - 610HDS (13.2 hours of the 40) Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Personally I hope that the new forum can thrive without the help of Zenith > Builders. I have, over the years grown to love the Zenith list from the > matronics server. It may not be perfect and at times annoying but if it > weren't for getting all of those E-Mails I would have missed out on allot of > information. To divide the builders presently on this list into another > forum would leave valuable information in two different area's. This is not, > what I believe, would be preferred for a new builder, it is far better to > have everything in one group shared amongst all. It also shows that we all > support each other in our building experience as one group, a Zenith nation > if you will. I have noticed over the last few months a decline in the number > of 701 posts and hardly ever hear from 640 builders, in looking around I > have found new groups for both of these Zenith Angels. When I look into the > postings I see some information that would have been useful to others, it's > too bad they are no longer with us on this list. I personally would much > rather see us all stay here and continue to enjoy the posts of what I call > Friends. Maybe I'm too sentimental or just mental? Who knows, it is just how > I feel ! > > cdngoose > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > > > > Hi All: > > > > I really enjoy checking my email every day to find items from this forum. > I > > have discovered another forum which uses a different format that I kind of > > like. It's brand new, so there are not many posts, but maybe that will > > change. Check it out at: > > > > http://www.wingsforum.com/forums/ > > > > I see a few advantages to the new forum - it does not use email, you can > see > > all the threads and only click on the topics of interest and not open the > > others, your email folder won't be full when you return from a 2-day trip, > > etc. > > > > I don't know if this one will take off, but I like the format. Give it a > > try. > > > > Scott Laughlin > > www.cooknwithgas.com > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:14 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fairing the 601XL Steps From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I did note on the XL demonstrator there was a little fairing on the step strut made from a little wedge of aluminium that sandwiched the step strut....very simple Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Subject: Zenith-List: Fairing the 601XL Steps --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" --> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:53 PM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fairing the 601XL Steps --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Gig: I didn't like the dragey look so I just put the whole step inside the fuselage (except for the leg). It seemed to work ok. I did send pictures to Nick for his approval but never heard back. It was durning Osh so it probably got lost along the way. Anyway it's done now and I am satisfied with it. Jack Gig Giacona wrote:Looking at some parts the other day I realized the steps seem like the would be fairly "dragy". What's the opinion of the group to welding on some fairing shaped steel tube to the step and the step strut? I've also considered fairing the area below the fuselage where the gear attach. Opinions? Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:49 PM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Zenith-List: Woodcomp --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" Bill Canino at sportair-usa.com in Little Rock Arkansas is now an official Woodcomp dealer and equally important a repair station. Leo Corbalis ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:00 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Woodcomp --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Leo, Do you know the range of pitch that's provided by the Woodcomp inflight adjustable? Larry McFarland 601HDS Do not archive Subject: Zenith-List: Woodcomp > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" > > Bill Canino at sportair-usa.com in Little Rock Arkansas is now an official Woodcomp dealer and equally important a repair station. > > Leo Corbalis ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:30 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" Scott, I've gotten used to this forum now, but it took a while and I get a lot of e-mail that just doesn't interest me. I've been on the type of forum (rotorcraft forum) you talk about here and frankly liked it better. I think the main reason is that you can put an attachment with your posting. Plus, it puts like subjects together. I'm gonna go look at it now. But I will stay here also. This is one 701er who is still around. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" > > Hi All: > > I really enjoy checking my email every day to find items from this forum. I > have discovered another forum which uses a different format that I kind of > like. It's brand new, so there are not many posts, but maybe that will > change. Check it out at: > > http://www.wingsforum.com/forums/ > > I see a few advantages to the new forum - it does not use email, you can see > all the threads and only click on the topics of interest and not open the > others, your email folder won't be full when you return from a 2-day trip, > etc. > > I don't know if this one will take off, but I like the format. Give it a > try. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > --- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:30 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filling dents --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" Hey Larry, no offense, but, have you looked closely at your fix? It's been my experience, (I built show cars for thirty years before I got into this airplane stuff), that lacquer based fillers all shrink after a while. It may still be there, but if you look close, you see might see it. I haven't used a lacquer based filler for some time, maybe they fixed the problem. I've got so much fiberglass stuff around I usually fix dents with resin and glass bubbles or Cabosil. Glass bubbles are hollow glass microspheres that can be added to epoxies and polyesters to fill surface imperfections and allow for easy sanding. Cabosil is a thickening agent, but is pretty hard to sand. I think Aircraft Spruce has both. Your surface must be very clean, use acid wash on new aluminum, then sand. Clean old with acetone and sand it. If you don't prepare you surface right, it doesn't matter what you use, it will generally pop after a while. On the other hand, if you just got one or two little dents, clean them and use JB Weld, it sands good the next day. You might have to put on two coats. Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filling dents > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > Bill, > I had a dink on the wing half the depth and the area of a dime that > was scotch brited and applied directly to the aluminum with a playing > card. USC laquer body putty #32035 from a tube. About the consistency > of a heavy tooth paste. It's still there 3-years later. > I think this stuff would work for you. > > Larry McFarland -601HDS > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Morelli" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: Filling dents > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" > > > > I am interested in painting some trim on my HDS. The area I want to paint > has some small dents in the aluminum skin. > > > > - What is the best filler material to fill small dents prior to painting? > > > > - What needs to be done to the aluminum before filling to ensure the > filler will stay in place? > > > > Regards, > > Bill (N812BM - 601HDS - Tri - Stratus (RAM Heads) - Vermont - 368.9 > flight hrs. - 491 landings, (1 ON ICE!!) > > web site -> http://homepages.together.net/~billvt/ > > > > | > > ---=( )=--- > > 0 0 > > > > --- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:07 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) "Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section" (Aug 31, 7:13pm) Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Forum with Zenith Section --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) >-------------- >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" > >Scott, I've gotten used to this forum now, but it took a while and I get a >lot of e-mail that just doesn't interest me. I've been on the type of forum >(rotorcraft forum) you talk about here and frankly liked it better. I think >the main reason is that you can put an attachment with your posting. Plus, >it puts like subjects together. I'm gonna go look at it now. But I will >stay here also. >This is one 701er who is still around. Larry N1345L >-------------- Don't forget that all of the current list messages are available via the web-based List Browse feature. This page is updated every 30 minutes with any current posts. You can sort the posts by Subject, Poster, Date, or Thread. Here is the URL: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/zenith-list As far as attachments are concerned, I can turn those on if people on this List would like that feature. Currently the Pietenpol and Tailwind Lists have this enabled. Filetypes are limited to most graphics types like JPG, GIF, and PDF, although there are a couple other types enabled too like .xls (spreadsheet). Its pretty safe from a v*rus standpoint. 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