---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/10/04: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Clecoes (Clecos?) (Garrou, Douglas) 2. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Henrob 2000-Welder (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 3. 09:02 AM - Bronze bearings (Mark Sherman) 4. 10:24 AM - 701 flaperon arm Question ? () 5. 11:55 AM - Buying metal in Wisconsin (Todd Osborne) 6. 12:58 PM - Re: Buying metal in Wisconsin 0.31 SUBJ_BUY Subject line starts with Buy or Buying (David Barth) 7. 06:33 PM - Re: Buying metal in Wisconsin 0.31 SUBJ_BUY Subject line starts with Buy or Buying (baileys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Clecoes (Clecos?) From: "Garrou, Douglas" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" Thanks to all for the input on cheap cleco pricing. We very much appreciated all the posts and e-mails. Although initially we pondered used clecos, we ultimately decided to go with new, and $0.35 each for new seems to be a typical "good" price. I ended up buying from the Yard Store but there were other good options at that price level as well. If there's a better source of info than this list when it comes to finding cheap airplane tools and gadgets, I have yet to see it! Aviation Consumer, beware.... Cheers Doug Garrou Unskilled Laborer Project 801 www.garrou.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Henrob 2000-Welder From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I'm doing the "not worthy" wave as I type this!......I have not done well with 25 thou 6061T6...Actually I made a big mess for the hour I tried....I got acceptable welds after 10 mins or so practice with TIG. Where the Henrob stands out is the little cutting head...Its almost like 'score and snapping' sheet plastic....Almost as good as using a disk cutter and about as fast. If you do any heavier fabrication its great, about the only thing I see aplication on an airplane though is welding 4130 tubes and light guage steel. The rudder pedals landing gear etc on a ZAC would be an ideal application for the Henrob. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott and Valeree Stout Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Henrob 2000-Welder --> Zenith-List message posted by: Scott and Valeree Stout --> My Henrob is great... For Aluminum my experience is with differing thicknesses of Aluminum tube, .058 and .125. It takes a steady hand and a bit of skill but welding them both is pretty easy. Patience is the key as using a light ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:37 AM PST US From: Mark Sherman Subject: Zenith-List: Bronze bearings --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mark Sherman Time: 01:18:10 PM PST US From: howado Subject: Zenith-List: Bearings for CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: howado Has anyone replaced the hinge bearings on the 701 with oil impregnated bronze bearings? I would prefer to replace steel-on-aluminum bearing surfaces whenever possible. Any advice would be appreciated. Howard Carter Howard. I didn't like the idea of the steel on aluminum either. So when I built my 701 I used oil impregnated bushings on the flaperon, elevator and rudder. And oil impregnated nylon on the rudder pedals and control stick areas. The idea of having to oil or grease those areas and have them collect all the dirt, just turns the oil into lapping compound making the wear much worse. I think I have some pictures, if you would like contact me off list and I will send them to you. ===== Mark S. CH-701/912ULS N752MS reserved __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:25 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: 701 flaperon arm Question ? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Maybe I'm over thinking this but hopefully someone out there can put my mind at rest.... I,m plans building a 701 and I'm currently completing the right wing. Here's my Q...I made the flaperon arm template as per the plans ( rev. date 09/2003 ) but when I clecoed an arm to it and alligned it with the trailing edge of the wing and the flaperon bracket (7V4-6) it seems to me that my arm is maybe 10mm further back than the photos in the construction manual indicate. In other words my arm does not line up equally with the wing bracket but rather sits slightly inwards. I've double, double checked all my measurements and everything loooks good. The wing came out as per the plans to within 1mm. It seems to me that the essence of the template is to reference the pivot hole to the wing trailing edge. The plans show 67mm down and 32 mm out. Am I missing something ?? Does it matter ?? Any thoughts would be appriciated. Peter Petes15515@msn.com. 701 tail completed, wings underway, and loving the journey. Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft SmartScreen Technology. Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:12 AM PST US From: Todd Osborne Subject: Zenith-List: Buying metal in Wisconsin 0.31 SUBJ_BUY Subject line starts with Buy or Buying --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne I am considering a plans built XL and was wondering if anyone knows of a place to buy sheet aluminum in Wisconsin? I used to buy stuff from Wicks, but that is near St. Louis and about 7 hours or so from my place near Milwaukee. Would like to find something closer, so avoid paying for shipping. -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:26 PM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Buying metal in Wisconsin 0.31 SUBJ_BUY Subject line starts with Buy or Buying --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Todd you should search the archives for messages regarding Yarde Metals. They have some really great prices if you can buy all your metal at once rather than a few sheets at a time. It would be worth the cost of shipping and you would still save. David do not archive. Todd Osborne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne I am considering a plans built XL and was wondering if anyone knows of a place to buy sheet aluminum in Wisconsin? I used to buy stuff from Wicks, but that is near St. Louis and about 7 hours or so from my place near Milwaukee. Would like to find something closer, so avoid paying for shipping. -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:27 PM PST US From: "baileys" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Buying metal in Wisconsin 0.31 SUBJ_BUY Subject line starts with Buy or Buying --> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" I bought from Yarde and was very satisfied, even with the shipping it was still cheaper than Wicks. Everything was well packed, no damage and I got copies of the test certification documentation for each batch. I don't know if Wicks provides that or not. Motor freight from CT to Missouri was 200 bucks I picked up the shipment at the local terminal. Bob B. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Barth To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Buying metal in Wisconsin 0.31 SUBJ_BUY Subject line starts with Buy or Buying --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Todd you should search the archives for messages regarding Yarde Metals. They have some really great prices if you can buy all your metal at once rather than a few sheets at a time. It would be worth the cost of shipping and you would still save. David do not archive. Todd Osborne wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne I am considering a plans built XL and was wondering if anyone knows of a place to buy sheet aluminum in Wisconsin? I used to buy stuff from Wicks, but that is near St. Louis and about 7 hours or so from my place near Milwaukee. Would like to find something closer, so avoid paying for shipping. -- Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org ---------------------------------