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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Pneumatic Rivet Puller from Zenith (Al Young)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Flap Torque rod exit hole (David Barth)
3. 06:39 AM - ()
4. 10:18 AM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight (royt.or@netzero.com)
5. 10:57 AM - Baggage Locker tanks and CG in HDS (Bob Miller)
6. 11:05 AM - Splice Plate AD for 601HDS (charles.long@gm.com)
7. 01:37 PM - wing tanks (Gerald A. Applefeld)
8. 03:34 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight (Andrew SanClemente)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's (Bill Morelli)
10. 05:54 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's (Tom Zelie)
11. 05:58 PM - Re: CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA (Doug Geese)
12. 06:00 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight (Johnny0464@aol.com)
13. 06:03 PM - Re: wing tanks (Jim and Lucy)
14. 06:22 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's (cgalley)
15. 06:28 PM - Re: CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA (Stephen Adams)
16. 06:49 PM - Re: CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA (Jeff Paden)
17. 07:14 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's (Tom Zelie)
18. 07:28 PM - Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's (Jeff Small)
19. 08:19 PM - Re: Pneumatic Rivet Puller from Zenith (kevinbonds@comcast.net)
20. 11:12 PM - Re: Flap Torque rod exit hole (nhulin)
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Rivet Puller from Zenith |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Todd- I've bewen using the Zenith provided puller for 2.5 yrs now on my XL
and have had no problems. Just make sure you oil it each day when you are
to use it.
Al Young, About done with airframe.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Torque rod exit hole |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi Jonathan.
I helped Mark Townsend with his. We used the wing jig
and located (clamped) a small piece of hinge just
where the flap hinge would go on the bottom flange of
the rear channel. Then pushed the hinge pin into the
side skin of the fuse enough to make a mark that would
be the centre of the flap tube hole. Just an idea.
David
--- Jonathan Starke <Jonathan@entry.co.za> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke"
> <Jonathan@entry.co.za>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Zodiac 601XL - Flap torque rod exit points on the
> fuselage. I am at the point
> where I need to make these holes, and the only
> measurement I can find on
> the drawings are that the rod must be 50mm above the
> floor of the rear
> fusalage.
>
> There is also a warning that the centre of the tube
> MUST be in the centre of
> the piano hinge...
>
> Well I don't have a wing built yet, so how do I
> check this. Do I have to leave
> the baggage shelf clecoed, until I can mount a wing
> to check this, how
> critical is it?
>
> Thnx for all yopur help.
> Jonathan Starke
> 601XL done - Rudder - Ailerons and 50% of Fuselage
=====
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <tgrazian@bellsouth.net>
Jonathan,
Use your 6B13 wing jig to establish the location of the hinge line on the rear
spar. I believe that the assy instructions recommends its use.
Tony Graziano
Tail feathers, wings, flaps, ailerons. Fuselage competley drilled/deburred/primed
and paritally riveted. Dual Sticks installed, rudder and elevator cables fabed.
Flap mechanism, ELT, and True Track AP servo installed Hope to have it
on gear in a few weeks so I can hang my Jabriu 3300. Have yet to build canopy.
Tony Graziano
601XL Ser 5342
Time: 11:19:03 PM PST US
From: "Jonathan Starke" <Jonathan@entry.co.za>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flap Torque rod exit hole
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <Jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi all,
Zodiac 601XL - Flap torque rod exit points on the fuselage. I am at the point
where I need to make these holes, and the only measurement I can find on
the drawings are that the rod must be 50mm above the floor of the rear
fusalage.
There is also a warning that the centre of the tube MUST be in the centre of
the piano hinge...
Well I don't have a wing built yet, so how do I check this. Do I have to leave
the baggage shelf clecoed, until I can mount a wing to check this, how
critical is it?
Thnx for all yopur help.
Jonathan Starke
601XL done - Rudder - Ailerons and 50% of Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Andy,
Note that to LEGALLY fly your CH601HDS over 1200lbs gross weight, the plane needs
to be registered at the gross weight you want to fly at. N601RT has a registered
gross weight of 1300lbs. During my test phase I flew it at 1340 lbs. Performance
noticeably declines as weight goes up. My POH shows "Utility Category,
1300 lbs., Normal Category, 1200 lbs".
I also think Larry is right on track with regards to the value of being active,
although running may not be the best activity for everyone.
Other notes. N601RT empty weight is 660lbs. I'm ~250lbs.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
294hrs, 355 landings
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| Subject: | Baggage Locker tanks and CG in HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
I'm building an HD but negotiating to trade for HDS wings. With my
light-weight engine the aft CG is a concern. The HDS wings in question have
fuel tanks in the baggage locker spaces, and I wonder if any of you can
advise me on how this will affect the CG.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Splice Plate AD for 601HDS |
20, 2004) at 09/14/2004 02:04:46 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/14/2004 02:04:46 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
I'm at a point of finally finishing my 601HDS and am ready to
install the wings! I still have not completed the wing splice plate AD.
Do have the replacement parts from ZAC already, but need the necessary
reamers, etc to get the holes the right size and correct location. Does
anyone out there have the right special tools to do this job that I could
borrow for a few weeks? Will be happy to pay for shipping both
directions. Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 95% complete
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
To the list:
I'm considering adding wing locker tanks to my flying 601HD with a
Jabiru 3300. Currently have the 16 gal header tank, but at 6 gal/hr
only have about 2 hours with reserve. Does any one have spare tanks
they are considering selling? Please contact me off list. Thanks
Jerry
DO not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Looks like after my initial calculations, that my CG with a stratus,
pretty full panel, wing tanks, and BRS is right in the middle of the
range. Bout time something worked out the first time ;)
Going to the airport next week barring one of these hurricanes
heading in to the NE.
-Andy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Looks like after my initial calculations, that my CG with a stratus, pretty full
panel, wing tanks, and BRS is right in the middle of the range. Bout time something
worked out the first time ;)
Going to the airport next week barring one of these hurricanes heading in to the
NE.
-Andy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
I'm pretty sure that the Sport Aircraft category does NOT allow one to modify an
existing aircraft that does not meet the Sport Aircraft spec and then fly it
under the new Sport Aircraft rules. So if you install 747 flaps on your HDS and
it now stalls at 20 mph, it is still no good for Sport Aircraft category.
Jeff Small posted something about this a while back.
The other thing you can't do is fail your medical and then just start flying under
Sport Pilot rules with your drivers license. If you take and fail a medical,
you have to clear that up with the FAA first. So if you think you may fail
the medical, don't take it. then you would be able to fly under Sport Pilot rules
with the drivers license.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Zelie" <tzelie@adelphia.net>
In the experimental class category you can make modifications to your
aircraft. If it is major or will effect the flight characteristics, then you
must apply for an updated airworthiness certificate. So you can make a
change to allow your airplane to be flown as Light Sport Aircraft.
The planes that cannot be modified are the certificated airplanes such as
Cessna etc.
Tom Zelie
N429SX
Tech Counselor #4831
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
>
> I'm pretty sure that the Sport Aircraft category does NOT allow one to
modify an existing aircraft that does not meet the Sport Aircraft spec and
then fly it under the new Sport Aircraft rules. So if you install 747 flaps
on your HDS and it now stalls at 20 mph, it is still no good for Sport
Aircraft category.
>
> Jeff Small posted something about this a while back.
>
> The other thing you can't do is fail your medical and then just start
flying under Sport Pilot rules with your drivers license. If you take and
fail a medical, you have to clear that up with the FAA first. So if you
think you may fail the medical, don't take it. then you would be able to fly
under Sport Pilot rules with the drivers license.
>
> Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Geese" <dgeese3@comcast.net>
I'm VERY close to installing the rear seat in my 640 so I find this subject
interesting. From what I've determined the rear tunnel has been extended by
100mm,
thus pushing the rear seat bottom aft 100mm. The problem that I see is that
the upper rear
seat back has not moved aft like the seat bottom (per dwgs). Essentially
this
changes the rear seat back angle to a very uncomfortable steep angle. I am
considering
shortening the baggage compartment by at least 100mm to compensate. The
only thing I fear is what this will do to the flap motor mounting position.
It appears that I may only need to shorten the extension tube a little. Has
anyone out
there built the fuse with the repositioned rear seat, and if so is it
functional?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Paden
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
If anyone on this list is building the CH-640 and has figured out how to
make the rear seats useable, please let me know how you did it.
At this point in time I am so upset that I have built the CH-640 only to
find that even my children do not fit in the rear seats.
I am sure that this flaw can be re-designed and that in time I will figure
it out on my own, but if any of you have done this already then I'd really
appreciate hearing from you.
Thank you
Jeff Paden
Was 99% complete, now back to 90% again!
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Johnny0464@aol.com
In a message dated 9/13/2004 4:52:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
duck@townisp.com writes:
Has anyone pushed the gross beyond 1200? I read of one poster that
used 1300 with no reported problems, higher stall etc...
Currently given my size, I could never fly with more than half tanks
with a passenger max of 175lbs due to my size of 205.
Mine weighed in at a hefty 795.
My HDS does not like to fly at 1300. Very sluggish climb and much higher
stall speed (near 60).
John W. Tarabocchia
Project Supervisor / Engineering CFT
E-mail: john_tarabocchia@wgresorts.com
johnny0464@aol.com
Phone: 407-709-7255
Nextel: 158*17047*156
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
I have some 6 gallon tanks that go between the nose ribs for an hd.
Not to hard to put in and does not mess up your baggage area.
300 can plus shipping
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
At 04:37 PM 9/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld"
><jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
>
>To the list:
>I'm considering adding wing locker tanks to my flying 601HD with a
>Jabiru 3300. Currently have the 16 gal header tank, but at 6 gal/hr
>only have about 2 hours with reserve. Does any one have spare tanks
>they are considering selling? Please contact me off list. Thanks
>Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Are you sure? The new operating Limitations permits you to make changes,
fly a test period of 5 hours, and notified this has been done. No need for
up date is there?
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Zelie" <tzelie@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Zelie" <tzelie@adelphia.net>
>
> In the experimental class category you can make modifications to your
> aircraft. If it is major or will effect the flight characteristics, then
you
> must apply for an updated airworthiness certificate. So you can make a
> change to allow your airplane to be flown as Light Sport Aircraft.
>
> The planes that cannot be modified are the certificated airplanes such as
> Cessna etc.
>
> Tom Zelie
> N429SX
> Tech Counselor #4831
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the Sport Aircraft category does NOT allow one to
> modify an existing aircraft that does not meet the Sport Aircraft spec and
> then fly it under the new Sport Aircraft rules. So if you install 747
flaps
> on your HDS and it now stalls at 20 mph, it is still no good for Sport
> Aircraft category.
> >
> > Jeff Small posted something about this a while back.
> >
> > The other thing you can't do is fail your medical and then just start
> flying under Sport Pilot rules with your drivers license. If you take and
> fail a medical, you have to clear that up with the FAA first. So if you
> think you may fail the medical, don't take it. then you would be able to
fly
> under Sport Pilot rules with the drivers license.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stephen Adams <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Doug,
Actually, the top of the back seat has moved back a
bit. If you look at the new rear seat, the upper
portion of the rear seat back rests against the
bulkhead. I don't have the older drawings, but it
looks like the rear seat back was attached foreward of
the bulkhead by at least a few inches. I have finished
the rear seats in the new position and they seem
functional. I think there is a little bit steeper
angle on the back, but it doesn't seem to be
uncomfortable. Since the back rests right against the
bulkhead, I think moving it back any further would
require some major modifications.
Steve Adams
--- Doug Geese <dgeese3@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Doug Geese"
> <dgeese3@comcast.net>
>
> I'm VERY close to installing the rear seat in my 640
> so I find this subject
> interesting. From what I've determined the rear
> tunnel has been extended by
> 100mm,
> thus pushing the rear seat bottom aft 100mm. The
> problem that I see is that
> the upper rear
> seat back has not moved aft like the seat bottom
> (per dwgs). Essentially
> this
> changes the rear seat back angle to a very
> uncomfortable steep angle. I am
> considering
> shortening the baggage compartment by at least 100mm
> to compensate. The
> only thing I fear is what this will do to the flap
> motor mounting position.
> It appears that I may only need to shorten the
> extension tube a little. Has
> anyone out
> there built the fuse with the repositioned rear
> seat, and if so is it
> functional?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Jeff Paden
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden"
> <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> If anyone on this list is building the CH-640 and
> has figured out how to
> make the rear seats useable, please let me know how
> you did it.
> At this point in time I am so upset that I have
> built the CH-640 only to
> find that even my children do not fit in the rear
> seats.
> I am sure that this flaw can be re-designed and that
> in time I will figure
> it out on my own, but if any of you have done this
> already then I'd really
> appreciate hearing from you.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jeff Paden
> Was 99% complete, now back to 90% again!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CH-640 REAR SEAT AREA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Thank you all for your help. I have drilled out my rear seat area and have
already fabricated a new bulk head which I moved back 6 inches.
I then had to fabricate a new flap motor bracket and step brackets, make a
new seat back and bottom and basically start all over again.
However now that it is done I am very happy with the rear seat.
Jeff Paden
>>Jeff, the CH640 I'm bulding is the prototype for a larger rear seating
area.
>>The rear seat is relocated back 6" for more knee room plus I feel it has
>>greater back angle on the rear seat, It also has a bagage area behind the
>>seat. These changes came about when I went to the plant in Midland to work
>>on the aircraft and gain knowlege on building, we also had discussed the
>>rear seating situation before I purchased the aircraft. Please let me know
>>if I can be of any help with photos of the changes, the notes from the
>>factory are still written on the alum. side skin.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Zelie" <tzelie@adelphia.net>
Cy,
I agree with what you are saying as to checking for safety of a change such
as changing props. But if you want to make structural changes such as
changing from tailwheel to nose gear or change the operating limits such as
raising the gross weight or lowering the stall speed that you might have to
prove that what you have done is safe and legal. I will reread my
airworthiness papers when I get back to the hangar.
Tom Zelie
N429SX
Tech Counselor #4831
----- Original Message -----
From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Are you sure? The new operating Limitations permits you to make changes,
> fly a test period of 5 hours, and notified this has been done. No need
for
> up date is there?
>
> Cy Galley
> Safety Programs Editor
> Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Zelie" <tzelie@adelphia.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Zelie" <tzelie@adelphia.net>
> >
> > In the experimental class category you can make modifications to your
> > aircraft. If it is major or will effect the flight characteristics, then
> you
> > must apply for an updated airworthiness certificate. So you can make a
> > change to allow your airplane to be flown as Light Sport Aircraft.
> >
> > The planes that cannot be modified are the certificated airplanes such
as
> > Cessna etc.
> >
> > Tom Zelie
> > N429SX
> > Tech Counselor #4831
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli"
<billvt@together.net>
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that the Sport Aircraft category does NOT allow one to
> > modify an existing aircraft that does not meet the Sport Aircraft spec
and
> > then fly it under the new Sport Aircraft rules. So if you install 747
> flaps
> > on your HDS and it now stalls at 20 mph, it is still no good for Sport
> > Aircraft category.
> > >
> > > Jeff Small posted something about this a while back.
> > >
> > > The other thing you can't do is fail your medical and then just start
> > flying under Sport Pilot rules with your drivers license. If you take
and
> > fail a medical, you have to clear that up with the FAA first. So if you
> > think you may fail the medical, don't take it. then you would be able to
> fly
> > under Sport Pilot rules with the drivers license.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HDS Gross Weight- stall with VG's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
In the experimental class category you can make modifications to your
aircraft.
+++ True.
If it is major or will effect the flight characteristics, then you
must apply for an updated airworthiness certificate.
+++ Not true. Cy is correct on the five hour test period and then change in the
Operating Limitations. This went into effect at least two or three years ago.
So you can make a
change to allow your airplane to be flown as Light Sport Aircraft.
+++ Not true. Because of the claims flying around on this list and others a few
weeks past I inquired of Joe Norris of the EAA at govt@eaa.org. My question
was whether any "lift enhancing" devices could be installed to an existing amateur
built that would lower its stall speed sufficiently to bring it into the
range required of LSA. His answer was "no." While an "experimental" can be
modified, existing a/c in the experimental class can not be altered into compliance
in the LSA (or E-LSA) category. Do a bit of searching on the EAA site
about Joe and you'll find he has been front and center during the fight for SP
and LSA. He knows the rule forward and backwards.
I e-mailed his response to several other list members and while his exact reply
isn't available to copy from this new computer of mine, maybe someone else kept
it on file.
Regards Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Rivet Puller from Zenith |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
Todd
I have one of the Harbor Freight guns, the cheap one (I only gave like $37.50 for
it on sale if I remember correctly) and have had no problems so far. I even
discovered, while riveting the Stab skin tonight, that if I am careful and apply
even gradual pressure to the trigger it will pull the rivet slowly (I can
actually watch it form the head) and makes a nice clean rivet with out the dimple
in the skin. The bottom side of my skin looks great! Wish I would have figured
it out before I did the top side. . .oh well!
Kevin Bonds
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>
> I am starting to ramp up now for my XL project. I bought a air rivet
> puller several years ago from Harbor Freight. It really sucked. I
> remember seeing the ones Zenith had at the factory in Mexico, MO and
> they were priced fairly. Has anyone else bought/used the guns the Heintz
> boy's sell? How well does it work?
>
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> Todd Osborne
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Todd
I have one of the Harbor Freight guns, the cheap one (I only gave like $37.50 for
it on saleif I remember correctly) and have had no problems so far. I even
discovered, while riveting the Stab skin tonight, that ifI am careful and apply
even gradual pressureto the trigger itwill pull the rivet slowly (I can actually
watch it form the head) and makes a niceclean rivet with out the dimple in
the skin.The bottom side of my skin looks great! Wish I would have figured it
out beforeI did the top side. . .oh well!
Kevin Bonds
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <TODD@TODDTOWN.COM>
I am starting to ramp up now for my XL project. I bought a air rivet
puller several years ago from Harbor Freight. It really sucked. I
remember seeing the ones Zenith had at the factory in Mexico, MO and
they were priced fairly. Has anyone else bought/used the guns the Heintz
boy's sell? How well does it work?
--
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Torque rod exit hole |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Mon Sep 13 - 11:19 PM, Jonathan Starke (Jonathan@entry.co.za) wrote:
<snip>
Zodiac 601XL - Flap torque rod exit points on the fuselage.
There is also a warning that the centre of the tube MUST be in
the centre of the piano hinge...
<snip>
Jonathan,
I just installed mine today. If you look at the 6-B-19 (01/20/04) photo
manual there is a note at the bottom of page 4 to "Use the Wing Jig 6-B-13
to locate the center of the Piano Hinge 6W1-4 on the side of the fuselage
(on the finished aircraft the Piano Hinge is riveted to the bottom flange of
the Rear Channel 6W7-1)".
The position will be critical because the flap will bind if the torque tube
and the flap hinge are not concentric.
I attached a short section of hinge to the wing jig and used the hinge pin
to mark the skin. After checking a dozen times that both sides were the same
and the measurement from the bottom of the skin was the same (mine were
51mm) I went ahead and drilled. Note that you need to drill the skin 1-3/16
inches (or whatever your metric equivalent is) to allow for the welded stop
ring to enter the hole. Only the 6B19-5 Flap Control bearing is 1 inch.
Does anyone following this thread know what the angle is between 6B19-3 and
6B19-1/6B19-2?
6W1-1 Flap Rib shows the location of the hole for the pin but I don't know
if the bottom of the flaps is level with the lower longeron in the up
position. If it is then I can position the pin 63mm up and 80mm aft and get
pretty close and just allow a bit for adjustment when the wing is installed.
I don't mind if I loose a little bit of flap travel but I wouldn't want to
have them hanging down slightly because I got the angle wrong and couldn't
adjust it out.
tailwinds, ...neil
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