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1. 02:49 AM - Re: Lift Reserve Indicator (John Flavin)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: Lift Reserve Indicator (Elwood140@aol.com)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: Lift Reserve Indicator (Roger Roy)
4. 12:06 PM - [ Larry Martin ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
5. 12:08 PM - (Richard T. Perry)
6. 02:11 PM - Re: (cgalley)
7. 03:59 PM - Zenith builders list and info... (MillrML@aol.com)
8. 08:21 PM - 601 (Jim Pellien)
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Reserve Indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Flavin" <jflavin@intrex.net>
Larry:
I mounted my LRI on the right wing centered between the outermost two ribs as you
described, except just behind the spar vice a foot back. At least one other
701 builder I've seen on this list have put their's out there as well, although
I don't know of anybody who is flying yet. If I remember the mounting instructions
correctly, putting it a foot behind the spar would result in the
tip of the probe being too far back on the airfoil.
As far as the effect of the slats, for what its worth I had asked this same question
of the manufacturer and they had assured me that their presence doesn't
pose a problem. Thought about it a while and makes sense to me.
Definitely needs to have a good stout doubler and skin stiffener behind it, as
you probably already know. I came up with something that seems to work real well.
Let me know if you need pictures and dimensions.
John Flavin
CH701
Raleigh, NC
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Hi, All
I am about to install a lift reserve (or AOA) indicator probe on the left
wing of my 701 while the wing is still open. I wonder if any other 701 builders
have had experience on placing the probe. My thought is to place the probe
between the last two ribs inboard of the wing tip and about a foot back of
the
spar. This would seem to be an area clear of prop wash. I'm wondering about
the effect of the slat on airflow over (or under) the wing. The LRI is from
InAir Instruments, LLC.
Larry Wood
N701LW Still Aborning
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Reserve Indicator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
John, I would be interested in seeing your pictures and dimensions for the
LRI mounting. Mine will be on the left wing, mostly because the right one is
already closed up. Thanks for your response.
Regards,
Larry Wood
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Reserve Indicator |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:06:43 -0400
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
Larry, are you saying that the LRI has to be installed in the cavity of the
wing? Can this unit be retrofitted to a completed wing? I sent email to the
manufacturer but seeing it's the weekend I don't expect an answer until next
week.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <Elwood140@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Lift Reserve Indicator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
>
> John, I would be interested in seeing your pictures and dimensions for the
> LRI mounting. Mine will be on the left wing, mostly because the right one
> is
> already closed up. Thanks for your response.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Wood
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Larry Martin ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
The answer for certificated (or rather, standard category) aircraft is
basically no.
Practical application - I decide to do a full restoration on a J-3 Cub. I
take it down to the frame to get it media blasted and repainted.
At this point, the airworthiness certificate is not valid.
When I get it back together, though, I do not have to apply for a new
airworthiness certificate, I just return it to service like any other
aircraft (well, given this scenario, I'd have a test flight plan to execute,
but strictly speaking it's not required under Pt. 91) under the original
type and airworthiness certificate. What's happening is that I'm (as an
A&P/IA) certifying that the condition of the aircraft meets the
airworthiness and type certificate standards.
So, for standard category aircraft, there's typically only one airworthiness
certificate issued. It might be the original one that came with the Cub in
19XX...(Probably not - it probably got lost and had to be reissued along the
way somewhere, but it meets the original standards.)
Now, for experimental/LSA aircraft ... I doubt the FAA will change that
procedure. I wouldn't hold your breath, in other words.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You have everything right except for the original COA. It was replaced at
the first annual and the COA then was replaced every year at annual time
until the CAA got smart and issued "permanent" COAs about 1957 give or take
a year. Just a bit of history.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry"
<perryrt@hotmail.com>
>
> The answer for certificated (or rather, standard category) aircraft is
> basically no.
>
> Practical application - I decide to do a full restoration on a J-3 Cub. I
> take it down to the frame to get it media blasted and repainted.
>
> At this point, the airworthiness certificate is not valid.
>
> When I get it back together, though, I do not have to apply for a new
> airworthiness certificate, I just return it to service like any other
> aircraft (well, given this scenario, I'd have a test flight plan to
execute,
> but strictly speaking it's not required under Pt. 91) under the original
> type and airworthiness certificate. What's happening is that I'm (as an
> A&P/IA) certifying that the condition of the aircraft meets the
> airworthiness and type certificate standards.
>
> So, for standard category aircraft, there's typically only one
airworthiness
> certificate issued. It might be the original one that came with the Cub in
> 19XX...(Probably not - it probably got lost and had to be reissued along
the
> way somewhere, but it meets the original standards.)
>
> Now, for experimental/LSA aircraft ... I doubt the FAA will change that
> procedure. I wouldn't hold your breath, in other words.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
> "Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
> morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
> expects me to point Him out?"
> "Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
> asking."
>
> Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith builders list and info... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MillrML@aol.com
Ray,
this is the Zenith user group, builders, etc. I spoke of.
Send a note to zenith-list-digest@matronics.com to subscribe or
http://www.matronics.com/subscription
not sure which it is now, but I'm also forwarding todays mail from them for
you to see some of what they discuss.
talk soon,
Mike
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Does anybody know of a completed 601 located at an airport in the
Washington, DC area. I have client who wants to take a look at the
exterior of one. No need for the owner to be there when they look at
the exterior.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of xl
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sport plane Vs. Sport Pilot
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
You write your aircraft's manual. You are required to have a POH in the
airplane. I used a boiler plate one and filled in the blanks.
The stall speed is documented in the aircraft log book by the builder.
One of the requirements of the airworthyness certification process
is to determine and record the stall speed and the weight of the
aircraft when it was determined. The stall speed is determined during
Phase I of the process. After Phase I the aircraft is flown under
the Phase II requirements - including carrying a passenger, flying
over populated areas, and at night.
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
114 hours + climbing!
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Johnson" <bruce@satx.rr.com>
>
> The reg's say "has continued to meet since its original certification"
so
> no, you can't modify the plane to stall a certain speed, and then fly
as a
> sport pilot.
>
> My question, is on an experimental, where is the stall speed in the
> "official" record of the plane???
>
> I know on a certificated plane it's well known and in the "manual" (I
know
> there is an official name for that, I just can't think of it)
>
> But on an experimental, where is the stall speed documented??? For an
> Am-build experimental, the FAA can't rely on the specs of the kit
> manufacturer since each builder is really the manufacturer.
>
> For E-LSA, the builder will have to essentially build to the kit
makers
> specs, but for AM-built, that is not true.
>
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