---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/19/04: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:54 AM - Re: 601 (Jeffrey Davidson) 2. 08:53 AM - Re: 601 (Jim Pellien) 3. 01:52 PM - [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? (Matt Dralle) 4. 02:28 PM - Re: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? (Jon Croke) 5. 02:46 PM - Re: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific (Matt Dralle) 6. 07:30 PM - last bolt on 701 front upper strut fitting? (John Flavin) 7. 08:01 PM - Re: last bolt on 701 front upper strut fitting? (Jon Croke) 8. 08:57 PM - 701 Control stick (RURUNY@aol.com) 9. 11:09 PM - Re: 701 Control stick (Dirk Slabbert) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:20 AM PST US From: "Jeffrey Davidson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" Jim, You are on the verge of becoming a nuisance on this list. Please do not use the list to further your sales activities. And do read the list guidelines. Your own reluctance to answer questions doesn't gain you any goodwill. Jeff Davidson do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > > Does anybody know of a completed 601 located at an airport in the > Washington, DC area. I have client who wants to take a look at the > exterior of one. No need for the owner to be there when they look at > the exterior. > > Jim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:02 AM PST US From: "Jim Pellien" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" Jeff, Thanks for suggesting that I read the guidelines for this list. I did not realize that all commercial activities were prohibited. I will cease this type of EMAIL in the future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Davidson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" Jim, You are on the verge of becoming a nuisance on this list. Please do not use the list to further your sales activities. And do read the list guidelines. Your own reluctance to answer questions doesn't gain you any goodwill. Jeff Davidson do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" > > Does anybody know of a completed 601 located at an airport in the > Washington, DC area. I have client who wants to take a look at the > exterior of one. No need for the owner to be there when they look at > the exterior. > > Jim == == == == ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:20 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Zenith Listers, I have received a couple of requests recently asking if I would create some model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically, a 601, 701, and 801 List have been requested. I personally think that splitting the List will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer the single list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what keeps the list alive and healthy. That being said, as the List administrator, I want to provide the kind of service that the members want, so I'm open to discussion on the topic. Rather than chew up a whole lot of bandwidth on the Zenith-List on the subject, I have created a simple survey form that will allow all the members to vote on what they personally would like to see. Basically, there are three options: 1) Keep it the same. One List (Zenith-List) that services all models. 2) Add three new model-specific lists for the 601, 701, and 801. 3) Add two new model-specific lists; one for the 601, and one for the 701/801. In all three cases, the current Zenith-List will remain as is. I will run the survey for 7 days ending on Sunday September 26th at 12 Noon PDT. At that time I will tally the votes and post a summary to the Zenith-List. Below is the URL to the survey form. Upon completion of the survey, you will receive an email confirming your vote. Please fill out all information on the form. http://www.matronics.com/zenith-list/survey.html Thanks for taking the time to fill out the survey. The more people that fill it out, the more accurately the results will reflect what the Zenith Listers would like. Best regards, Matt Dralle Zenith List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:04 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" But, will my vote remain confidential? Thanks Paranoid, thin-skinned Jon (however, I already voted!) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Subject: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > > Dear Zenith Listers, > > I have received a couple of requests recently asking if I would create > some > model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically, a 601, 701, and > 801 List have been requested. I personally think that splitting the List > will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer the single > list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what > keeps > the list alive and healthy. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:45 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Yes, votes will remain confidential. Matt At 02:27 PM 9/19/2004 Sunday, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > >But, will my vote remain confidential? > >Thanks >Paranoid, thin-skinned Jon >(however, I already voted!) > >do not archive > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Dralle" >To: >Subject: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith >Lists...? > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > > > > > Dear Zenith Listers, > > > > I have received a couple of requests recently asking if I would create > > some > > model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically, a 601, 701, and > > 801 List have been requested. I personally think that splitting the List > > will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer the single > > list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what > > keeps > > the list alive and healthy. > > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:29 PM PST US From: "John Flavin" Subject: Zenith-List: last bolt on 701 front upper strut fitting? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Flavin" Ladies/Gents: Per the 701 construction manual, I've already riveted the right wing nose skin to the bottom of the spar, and am now ready to bolt 7V2-5 (the front upper strut fitting) to the spar. Probably should have realized this before, but I now have found that there is not nearly enough clearance between the fitting and nose skin to put the last AN3-5A bolt through. Only options I can see are to remove many (if not all) of the rivets on the bottom spar cap so I can flex the skin back, or put a hole in the lower skin underneath the bolt so I can slip it into place that way. Needless to say, I'm not crazy about either one of those options. Any of you 701 builders run into this before? Any ideas? Thanks. John Flavin Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:17 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: last bolt on 701 front upper strut fitting? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" John, I think if you were to remove about a foot of rivets from both sides of that location, you can raise the skin enough to get that bolt in. Drilling these rivets out is extremely easy - esp since you have that very rigid spar underneath to support it. Be sure to knock the stems out first and then drill them out.. you will be surprised how fast it goes if you havent done this before! With just reasonable care the holes will remain the same size and then you just rerivet when you're done. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Flavin" Subject: Zenith-List: last bolt on 701 front upper strut fitting? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Flavin" > > Ladies/Gents: > > Per the 701 construction manual, I've already riveted the right wing nose > skin to the bottom of the spar, and am now ready to bolt 7V2-5 (the front > upper strut fitting) to the spar. Probably should have realized this > before, but I now have found that there is not nearly enough clearance > between the fitting and nose skin to put the last AN3-5A bolt through. > Only options I can see are to remove many (if not all) of the rivets on > the bottom spar cap so I can flex the skin back, or put a hole in the > lower skin underneath the bolt so I can slip it into place that way. > Needless to say, I'm not crazy about either one of those options. > > Any of you 701 builders run into this before? Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > John Flavin > Raleigh, NC > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:23 PM PST US From: RURUNY@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Control stick --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com I was installing the Y control stick to the pitch control rod today. I drilled the hole in the pitch control slightly not perpendicular to the pin on the stick. Well, while trying to force it on, I bent the pin on the control stick at the weld. I think it cracked but am not sure. I was surprised that it gave so easily as the force used was minimal. I was ready to order a new stick and pitch rod but searched the archives and came up with a Flaperon control handle picture from Dave Smith. In the photo I noticed that he modified this attachment point on the stick as it was in view in the photo. Dave, could you contact me on or off list to give me an idea what parts I need and what I need to do a mod similar to yours. Also, you must have modified the opposite end of the pitch control rod where it hooks up to the bell crank, could I get a look at this also if you have a pic? Also I noticed Larry Martins center stick mod has what I think is a bolt welded here instead of the hollow tube. Also any advice from others on what they have done. Thanks. Link to Dave's picture: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dabusmith@aol.com.10.03.2002/flapperon2.jpg Brian Unruh Long Island, NY http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:54 PM PST US From: "Dirk Slabbert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Control stick --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" Looks like Dave use some of his tools ( allen key) to great effect hee hee hee Talk about inovation ....... Dirk 701 ----- Original Message ----- From: RURUNY@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:56 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Control stick --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com I was installing the Y control stick to the pitch control rod today. I drilled the hole in the pitch control slightly not perpendicular to the pin on the stick. Well, while trying to force it on, I bent the pin on the control stick at the weld. I think it cracked but am not sure. I was surprised that it gave so easily as the force used was minimal. I was ready to order a new stick and pitch rod but searched the archives and came up with a Flaperon control handle picture from Dave Smith. In the photo I noticed that he modified this attachment point on the stick as it was in view in the photo. Dave, could you contact me on or off list to give me an idea what parts I need and what I need to do a mod similar to yours. Also, you must have modified the opposite end of the pitch control rod where it hooks up to the bell crank, could I get a look at this also if you have a pic? Also I noticed Larry Martins center stick mod has what I think is a bolt welded here instead of the hollow tube. Also any advice from others on what they have done. Thanks. Link to Dave's picture: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Dabusmith@aol.com.10.03.2002/flapperon2.jpg Brian Unruh Long Island, NY http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/