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1. 12:32 AM - Re:Bellows for nose steering control rods (RURUNY@aol.com)
2. 12:38 AM - Re:Bellows for nose steering control rods (RURUNY@aol.com)
3. 04:10 AM - Re: XL Elevator (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
4. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Purty (LRM)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: Sheet Metal Forming, Bending, etc. Questions (David Barth)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? (Dan knezacek)
7. 10:47 AM - 601 POH (john H)
8. 11:17 AM - Re: horizontal tail incident (Gary Gower)
9. 12:11 PM - Re: 601 POH (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
10. 03:08 PM - Oil heat sensor (Johann G.)
11. 05:42 PM - Rotax proposed AD (Richard T. Perry)
12. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Baggage Locker tanks and CG in HDS (Bob Miller)
13. 06:29 PM - Re: Oil heat sensor (Gary Gower)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: Rotax proposed AD (Leo Gates)
15. 07:42 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Forming, Bending, etc. Questions (John)
16. 07:57 PM - Re: 601 POH (Ray Montagne)
17. 08:30 PM - Re: Oil heat sensor (Dabusmith@aol.com)
18. 08:41 PM - (gpjann@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Re:Bellows for nose steering control rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Funny you mentioned this as I ordered mine yesterday online from Sports
plaza in Seattle.
Thanks to Ben Haas for doing the legwork finding these and sharing the info.
If you look in the photoshare section you will find pics and some tips on
installation. I think he mentions using engine baffle material on the firewall.
Try this link also to photoshare of Tim Shanklands slot cover idea.
_http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/tshank@megsinet.net.02.22.2003/_
(http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/tshank@megsinet.net.02.22.2003/)
>I've found the Yamaha part numbers in the archives for the bellows that some
>of the 801 guys are using. Have any 601 builders tried these? Is there
>enough room left to right?
Brian Unruh
701
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| Subject: | Re:Bellows for nose steering control rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Mark,
Here is Bens description and some photos.
_http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Benford2@aol.com.1.03.08.2003/_
(http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Benford2@aol.com.1.03.08.2003/)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
Now that I think of it, I remember adding some L angle stiffener alongside my aileron
trim servo because the skin was flexing too much.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek"
>
> I riveted mine...for the same reasons as Bryan
> What i would do tho now in hind site,is to add some stiffener between the
> aileron and servo to eliminate some of the movment i see in the skin when
> operating the trim
> dave kubassek
> C_FDSF XL 0235
>
Now that I think of it, I remember adding some L angle stiffener alongside my aileron
trim servo because the skin was flexing too much.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <DKUBASSEK@GOLDEN.NET>
I riveted mine...for the same reasons as Bryan
What i would do tho now in hind site,is to add some stiffener between the
aileron and servo to eliminate some of the movment i see in the skin when
operating the trim
dave kubassek
C_FDSF XL 0235
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@isp.com>
Me too, I'm hoping to have it flying this fall. But nothing seems to happen
when you plan it. You mean, am I stressed for all that? No, I don't think
so. I consider all my changes as improvements, I hope. I am somewhat
concerned about getting the CG right. Take care, Larry N1345L
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From: <Dabusmith@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Purty
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lrm@isp.com.09.18.2004/index.html
>
> Larry
> Damn Larry. I can't wait to see your plane fly! Is it stressed for all
that?
> Beautiful job!
> Dave Smith
> Graham WA.
>
> >do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Forming, Bending, etc. Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Todd I have to agree with Larry with the POSSIBLE exception of the nose rib form
block. I say "possible" since I don't know for sure how plywood or MDF would
hold up for making all the nose ribs (probably plywood would be OK but if you
use MDF I would strongly suggest adding the aluminum plate as shown in the plans.
MarkTownsend and I made the nose rib forming block from some wonderful
solid maple cupboard doors we found at a used building materials recycling store.
If you use a good piece of solid hardwood for this set of blocks I know it
will hold up. We did not use the piece of aluminum plate on the blocks as shown
in the plans and after three sets of nose ribs (48 ribs) the blocks look
as good as when we made them. Just one more option - but when wondering about
looking to see what might work for what, it is good to know there are options.
Happy Building.
David
Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> wrote:
Answer: Metal form blocks are only nice to have but not a necessity. Use
5-layer plywood from Lowe's and you
route the edges. You can file them as well and the aluminum won't know the
difference when it's bent. You could probably build 5 or more planes with
one set of well made plywood forms.
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan knezacek" <dknezace@bconnex.net>
You might want to make a 600 series list since there are some CH640 builders
out there.
Really though, a complete list is all that's required. It just takes a bit
of extra time deleting stuff that's not applicable to my plane. The extra
time wasted is annoying, but sometimes there are things from 701 builders
that are also applicable to 601 builders.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith
Lists...?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Dear Zenith Listers,
>
> I have received a couple of requests recently asking if I would create
some
> model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically, a 601, 701, and
> 801 List have been requested. I personally think that splitting the List
> will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer the single
> list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what
keeps
> the list alive and healthy.
>
> That being said, as the List administrator, I want to provide the kind of
> service that the members want, so I'm open to discussion on the
> topic. Rather than chew up a whole lot of bandwidth on the Zenith-List on
> the subject, I have created a simple survey form that will allow all the
> members to vote on what they personally would like to see.
>
> Basically, there are three options:
>
> 1) Keep it the same. One List (Zenith-List) that services all
models.
>
> 2) Add three new model-specific lists for the 601, 701, and 801.
>
> 3) Add two new model-specific lists; one for the 601, and one for
> the 701/801.
>
> In all three cases, the current Zenith-List will remain as is. I will run
> the survey for 7 days ending on Sunday September 26th at 12 Noon PDT. At
> that time I will tally the votes and post a summary to the Zenith-List.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
I'm getting close to being done with the construction phase of my 601HD and am
thinking ahead to the POH. I have seen the ones listed on the Matronics list but
they are figured at 1050lbs. for gross.The HD model gross is supposed to be
1200lbs. Does anyone flying the HD model have the correctspeeds for 1200 lbs
as far as stalls, best glide, rotation etc.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal tail incident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Ron,
What I understood was that has to be parallel with the fuselage in the
trailing edge section of the wing (7F5-3SP).
Sometimes the tail cone gets a little twisted in the stabilator area,
then the stab will not be parallel to the wings, now the only
reference you have is the cabin section, no wings instaled yet to
check.
Hope this helps
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Ron Lee <rlee468@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
>
> I am building 701 with a 912s, and am at the point of installing the
> horiz. tail section. My question to those of you already flying is
> this. The instructions say to install it so the top is parallel to
> the top of the fuselage. What is not said is if that is right at the
> tail section of the fuselage or if one was to string a line from
> front to rear of the fuselage and use that as the parallel bench mark
> for this setting? These two are quite different.
> If it is not set correctly one will have to trim it out with a trim
> tab. I intend to put a trim tab on, but would like to have it as
> close as possible from the start. Has anyone found that with the
> recommended setting that you need to trim up or down in normal
> flight? If one or the other is normal with the recommended setting,
> then maybe at the building stage I can correct it. Your opinions are
> appreciated. Ron Lee Tucson, AZ
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I sent an e-mail to Zenith requesting information on the V speeds of the XL and
they sent me a file with the information I was looking for. I suggest you contact
them about the HD.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H"
>
> I'm getting close to being done with the construction phase of my 601HD and am
> thinking ahead to the POH. I have seen the ones listed on the Matronics list
but
> they are figured at 1050lbs. for gross.The HD model gross is supposed to be
> 1200lbs. Does anyone flying the HD model have the correctspeeds for 1200 lbs
as
> far as stalls, best glide, rotation etc.
> Thanks
> John
I sent an e-mail to Zenith requesting information on the V speeds of the XL and
they sent me a file with the information I was looking for. I suggest you contact
them about the HD.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <PROFESSOR71@HOTMAIL.COM>
I'm getting close to being done with the construction phase of my 601HD and am
thinking ahead to the POH. I have seen the ones listed on the Matronics list but
they are figured at 1050lbs. for gross.The HD model gross is supposed to be
1200lbs. Does anyone flying the HD model have the correctspeeds for 1200 lbs as
far as stalls, best glide, rotation etc.
Thanks
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
Hi list members.
I am installing the radiator and oil cooler on the Rotax 912 ul engine. I bought
the engine used and it has a oil heat sensor.
The sensor sticks forward and will interfere with the radiator. Has anyone used
this sensor? Is this information necessary?
Just besides this sensor is the oil pressure sensor sticking out to the right.
On the picture manual from Zenith, this oil heat sensor hole is closed with a plug.
Sorry for not having any pictures, but hope this in not too confusing.
Hope you can help.
Thanks in advance.
Johann G.
Iceland.
www.fisflug.tk
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| Subject: | Rotax proposed AD |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Folks -
I'm hoping that those that are flying behind a 912/914 Rotax engine (or are
planning to) have heard about this already, but just in case (and since I
don't remember this coming up on this list before), you might want to look
at the revised AD they're planning to issue. This is particularly important
if you bought your engine (and have it sitting in a crate) prior to
2002-21-16 being complied with. Anyway, take a look at:
http://www.regulations.gov/fredpdfs/04-18440.pdf
Comments are due by the 12th of October, if you're interested.
Yeah, yeah, I know - you're not required to comply with AD's on experimental
aircraft. True (although there are exceptions.) Still - something like this
is safety driven - it's worth a look at. Mostly, you need to look at
replacing the dipstick - that's not too expensive.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Locker tanks and CG in HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks Rick.
I'm hoping the trade will still go through after all the new info on
converting an HDS to sport pilot.
How are you doing?
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Herndon" <rickherndon@erols.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Baggage Locker tanks and CG in HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Herndon <rickherndon@erols.com>
>
> "I'm building an HD but negotiating to trade for HDS wings. With my
> light-weight engine the aft CG is a concern. The HDS wings in question
> have
> fuel tanks in the baggage locker spaces, and I wonder if any of you can
> advise me on how this will affect the CG.
> Thanks,
> Bob"
>
> Bob,
>
> Baggage locker tanks don't account for much aft CG shift in my CH 601
> HDS. If I take off in a max aft CG situation and fly to fuel
> starvation, my CG will only shift 0.4 inches forward! Removing ten
> pounds of baggage from my baggage shelf would give the same CG shift as
> burning ninety pounds of baggage locker fuel.
>
> Similarly, if a very light pilot takes off with full fuel and burns all
> baggage locker tank fuel, the CG will shift 1.3 inches forward to the
> forward CG limit.
>
> Rick Herndon
> CH 601 HDS
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil heat sensor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Johann,
Glad to hear from you, Yes the oil temperature gauge is VERY important
in the 912. Not for overheating but to prevent running it to cold.
Here it takes some time (about 10 to 15 min) at 2,500 rpm to get the
oil over the minimum required of 50C Is important (is in the manual)
not to get over 3,500 rpm before reaching that temperature. and here is
not cold year round...
Once I read in Sport Aviation (or maybe Kitplanes) that there was an
aftermarket valve/bypass for the oil cooler line in the 912 to prevent
the oil to get to the cooler until the temp was in the green... Anyone
has looked/tested/used one?
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- "Johann G." <johann@gi.is> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hi list members.
>
> I am installing the radiator and oil cooler on the Rotax 912 ul
> engine. I bought the engine used and it has a oil heat sensor.
> The sensor sticks forward and will interfere with the radiator. Has
> anyone used this sensor? Is this information necessary?
> Just besides this sensor is the oil pressure sensor sticking out to
> the right.
> On the picture manual from Zenith, this oil heat sensor hole is
> closed with a plug.
>
> Sorry for not having any pictures, but hope this in not too
> confusing.
> Hope you can help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> www.fisflug.tk
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax proposed AD |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
My dip stick was replaced free on an excange from LEAF.
Leo Gates
912 UL
Richard T. Perry wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
>
>Folks -
>
>I'm hoping that those that are flying behind a 912/914 Rotax engine (or are
>planning to) have heard about this already, but just in case (and since I
>don't remember this coming up on this list before), you might want to look
>at the revised AD they're planning to issue. This is particularly important
>if you bought your engine (and have it sitting in a crate) prior to
>2002-21-16 being complied with. Anyway, take a look at:
>
>http://www.regulations.gov/fredpdfs/04-18440.pdf
>
>Comments are due by the 12th of October, if you're interested.
>
> Mostly, you need to look at
>replacing the dipstick - that's not too expensive.
>
>Regards,
>
>Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Forming, Bending, etc. Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Todd, I bought plans last December with intentions of plans and some kit built
parts. I've made some, but since I've been spending most of my free time with
flight lessons, the plane building has almost stopped. I was looking hard at
brakes and even bought a 30 inch to get me going till I either made or bought
a large brake. Guess what I spied recently at my FBO's maintenance hanger.
An 8 foot and 4 foot brake. Guess who is going to see if I can use them for a
bit when the time comes. As been said previously, Zenith will sell each individual
part if needed, so don't sweat it. Just start work.
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 9/21/04 10:44 AM, "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
>
> Does anyone flying the HD model have the correctspeeds for 1200
> lbs as far as stalls, best glide, rotation etc.
>
Avweb published some spreadsheets that you can use in conjunction with
flying a series of climb and descent profiles that will allow you to
determine Vx, Vy and best glide accurately for any altitude. There was a
series of articles on this "Bootstrap Approach to Aircraft Performance"
which included descriptions of the profile process for fixed pitch and/or
constant speed propeller equipped aircraft. Please see:
<http://www.avweb.com/news/airman/182410-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/news/airman/182418-1.html>
The spreadsheets are at:
<http://www.avweb.com/newspics/bootstp1.xls>
<http://www.avweb.com/newspics/bootstp1.slk>
<http://www.avweb.com/newspics/bootstp2.xls>
I've flown the profile for practice in a Citabria 7ECA and it worked out
quite well. I'm planning on doing the same in my XL when it is completed.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Elevator Completed
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Ailerons Completed
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| Subject: | Re: Oil heat sensor |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>valve/bypass for the oil cooler line in the 912 to prevent
the oil to get to the cooler until the temp was in the green... Anyone
has looked/tested/used one?
Gary
I have the oil thermostat sold at Lockwood. It works fine. The oil warms up
in about five minutes instead of fifteen.
Dave Smith
Graham WA.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
Would like to email Bill Clapp about his usage of the Aerocarb.
Anyone know his email address???
GPJ
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