---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/24/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:59 AM - Re: Face/Purolator pump acquisition? (Jim and Lucy) 2. 05:37 AM - pitch and loading (Larry McFarland) 3. 06:03 AM - HD with Dual Sticks (Phil Raker) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Facet pump acquisition in Canada (John M. Goodings) 5. 08:04 AM - Aircraft in Northeast (Andrew SanClemente) 6. 08:28 AM - Re: HD with Dual Sticks (Graham Kirby) 7. 09:33 AM - Flying the 801 this summer (Keystone Engineering LLC) 8. 10:18 AM - my new website (louiscfi@comcast.net) 9. 11:39 AM - John Tarabocchia URL (601corvair) 10. 12:03 PM - Re: HD with Dual Sticks (Russell J.) 11. 12:08 PM - Re: HD with Dual Sticks (Todd Osborne) 12. 12:44 PM - Re: HD with Dual Sticks (David Barth) 13. 03:32 PM - Re: HD with Dual Sticks (Johnny0464@aol.com) 14. 03:57 PM - Question (Aaron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:13 AM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Face/Purolator pump acquisition? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 10:35 PM 9/23/2004 -0400, Jeffrey Davidson wrote: Try this URL: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/fuelsystem/fuelpumps.htm This is a Canadian company. Or this one if you are in less of a hurry. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2489884054 Jim Pollard > > I'm needing another Facet pump for my plane and I was wondering if > anyone knows where I can get one in Canada? I'm in Ontario. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:11 AM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: pitch and loading --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Hi guys, I'm starting the loading sequence to get the 601HDS tri-gear to gross and have my prop pitched at 16-degrees. Has anyone found the point where their pitch for the HDS became a liability for normal performance in take off or stalls? Not looking for a perfect answer, but I have to work thru another 250 lbs and would like to hear from anyone that might like to comment to this concern. Larry McFarland - 601HDS with 25.5 hours and working it. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:31 AM PST US From: Phil Raker Subject: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker Hello, Phill, There was someone who had a nice website a while back who had designed an excellent-looking set of dual sticks for the HD/HDS. He even had high-quality drawings posted on his site (I believe they were in pdf) so you could make your own. His dual sticks were in cutouts at the front of the seat pan, just behind the spar, instead of the ZAC design with the sticks forward of the spar. He also had a design to make flaps out of the wing root. The problem is, I don't remember who it was, and I can't find his website any more. He may still be monitoring this list. It's a good idea for someone who doesn't like CH's "Y" stick. I like the "Y", but that's just personal preferance. Good luck in finding the design you want. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed > --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair > > My questions for the list are. 1) Does anyone recall the set of drawings/ > plans that I see to be imagining. 2) Does anyone have an old (obviously > obsolete cope of drawing for dual controls for the HD (ZAC or home made) > Thanks > phill __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:17 AM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Facet pump acquisition in Canada --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" This is in answer to Trevor Page's query about a Canadian (Ontario) source for Facet fuel pumps. I obtained one (on the advice of Gary Wolf, President, RAA) from John's Bug Shop, 7868 Oakwood Dr., Niagara Falls, Ontario, L2E 6S5, phone (905) 374-4323, fax (905) 364-0858. I ordered it on Mastercard, and they shipped it immediately by courier. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601 HD with R912S, Toronto. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:50 AM PST US From: Andrew SanClemente Subject: Zenith-List: Aircraft in Northeast --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente My aircraft is finished and I'm currently wading through the paperwork nightmare. For my insurance I need to get 2 hours of dual in a 601 HDS. I live in central Massachusetts and was wondering if anyone had a HDS flying up in this direction that would be willing to take me up a couple of times (or once for 2 hours ;). I would obviously cover all expenses for the flights and would be willing to compensate as well. If I can't find anyone I will have to make the trip to the factory which would be a pain. Contact me off-list if you can help Thanks!!! Andy SanClemente 601HDS Stratus Subaru DO NOT ARCHIVE My aircraft is finished and I'm currently wading through the paperwork nightmare. For my insurance I need to get 2 hours of dual in a 601 HDS. I live in central Massachusetts and was wondering if anyone had a HDS flying up in this direction that would be willing to take me up a couple of times (or once for 2 hours ;). I would obviously cover all expenses for the flights and would be willing to compensate as well. If I can't find anyone I will have to make the trip to the factory which would be a pain. Contact me off-list if you can help Thanks!!! Andy SanClemente 601HDS Stratus Subaru DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:16 AM PST US From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" I think that particular dual stick design was by John Tarabocchia. I had a link to his web site but it doesn't seem to work anymore. Graham 601HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker Hello, Phill, There was someone who had a nice website a while back who had designed an excellent-looking set of dual sticks for the HD/HDS. He even had high-quality drawings posted on his site (I believe they were in pdf) so you could make your own. His dual sticks were in cutouts at the front of the seat pan, just behind the spar, instead of the ZAC design with the sticks forward of the spar. He also had a design to make flaps out of the wing root. The problem is, I don't remember who it was, and I can't find his website any more. He may still be monitoring this list. It's a good idea for someone who doesn't like CH's "Y" stick. I like the "Y", but that's just personal preferance. Good luck in finding the design you want. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:33 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: Flying the 801 this summer --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC Dale Thanks for the response. I will probably end up with that sort of rubber weather stripping probably from Spruce this winter. The construction took a year more than I thought. I completely understand the 95% complete only 25% to go. I'm really enjoying the 801. I'm have been thinking of writing a lessons learned article this winter. The 801 jumps into the air! I'm very pleased with that. Even at gross it doesn't seem like you are driving a truck trying to take off. Most of my experience is in a PA22 and PA20. When they get heavy they take forever to get into the air! I have not nicked my prop. The ground clearance is incredible! In Alaska you are required by law and good sense to carry survival gear. My sleeping bags and dried food are behind the back seat on the sides of the control tunnel. It is a perfect extended baggage for light stuff. It is accessible from the access panel in the bottom. I did the no slot modification that Jim Frisby and Ben Hass put together. Ben sent me the parts; it was simple and better than the factory instructions. I really like the thought of not having a slot to accumulate snow and slush in the controls. Things I wish were different: All the air goes over the wing. It is a rough ride in turbulence! The only other thing I have is, I like going to the beaches. You cannot raise the nose with power. You need to be going 35-40 mph before the nose comes up. When it does come up you are flying. I'm planning on building and installing the wider tail this winter. I made and installed VGs last weekend and perhaps they were not big enough or aggressive enough but they did not help enough to justify flying the 5 hours off. When you land on a beach that is too soft, conventional wisdom says, fire wall it and suck the stick back. You will either end up in the air or stopped on the very soft beach right side up at full power. I don't know if the 801's elevator is effective enough at slow speeds to keep the nose up until you get stopped. Thank goodness I have not gone on that soft of a beach this summer... hopefully I never will again. Lessons learned: It is a rudder airplane! You cannot have lazy feet! Step on the ball! I almost got caught a couple of times before I quit using flaps in a cross wind. With full flaps the adverse yaw is significant! I almost had a whole bunch of AL parts littering the beach figuring this out. It was one of those, "there I was" 10' in the air with full elevator, full rudder and full flaperon deflection and...!... I came around the next time without flaps and landed with no problem. A 10 mph cross wind is not a big deal at 60 knots or 70 mph but at 40 mph it is a big deal! I had problems with the tires. I up sized to 8.50x6.00 tire and I finally drilled a new hole in the rim and put in standard tubes. No problem since then. The airframe is bullet proof. I have done 2 condition inspections this summer one at 25 hours and one at 100 hrs. No significant problems. Although cylinder number 2 uses a little oil ;+}. The airframe oil cans when you go slow. It is kind of a stall warning. I installed weather stripping Xs to reduce the oil canning. I may replace them with standard Ls this winter. My empty weight came in at 1175 lbs. I have a minimal VFR panel. I am very happy with the weight. You can get out of CG rearward. When you get heavy put the big guys in the front. Don't expect big climb rates when you get heavy. When light the CG is too far forward so put the guns and survival gear in the baggage area. The right hand stick and left hand throttle takes a little getting use to. The 801 meets and exceed the 3 requirements I had for my plane; 4 seats, cruise at 100 mph and get out short! You are talking to one happy camper. It would be interesting to hear from Ben or anyone else who has quite a few hours in the 801 about their experiences! Bill Wilcox Valdez, AK N801BW 130 hours Wishing it would quit raining so I could fly to Fairbanks this weekend! Bill, I don't have enough experience with my 801 yet to answer your question. I plan to use a hollow "P" sort of a weather strip around my doors. I am just about ready to hang the engine so another 10 years or so should see this think fly. How do you like your 801 after 130 hours? Has the air frame held up..no unusual wear patters or weak areas. How does she fly? Is the airplane what you expected it to be. Would you make any changes if you were to build another one? How you have had a good time with it. Dale Carlson California, Missouri N128DC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:11 AM PST US From: louiscfi@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: my new website 0.70 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary 0.01 RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE Received: by and from look like IP addresses --> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net I havent been reading this list as much as I would like, but I wanted to let everyone know that I have a website now for my airplane. http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 -- Louis 601xl, corvair pwr j-41 capt CFII SMEL http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 I havent been reading this list as much as I would like, but I wanted to let everyone know that I have a website now for my airplane. http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 -- Louis 601xl, corvair pwr j-41 capt CFII SMEL http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:32 AM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: John Tarabocchia URL 0.58 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From": Zenith-List@matronics.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair Does anyone have john's new url or e-mail. thanks phill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:38 PM PST US From: "Russell J." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Russell J." Johns drawings and photos can be downloaded at ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Public/mltpoly@eclipse.net/DualSticks.zip R.Johnson ++++++++++++++++++++++== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Kirby" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" > > I think that particular dual stick design was by John Tarabocchia. I had > a > link to his web site but it doesn't seem to work anymore. > > Graham > 601HD ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:48 PM PST US From: Todd Osborne Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne Using the wayback machine, you might find something useful on his old site. Here is the URL. http://web.archive.org/web/20031204115001/http://hometown.aol.com/zodiacbuilder/Home.html Todd Osborne Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com Web Site: www.toddtown.com MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com Graham Kirby wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" > > I think that particular dual stick design was by John Tarabocchia. I had a > link to his web site but it doesn't seem to work anymore. > > Graham > 601HD > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker > > Hello, Phill, > There was someone who had a nice website a while back who had designed > an excellent-looking set of dual sticks for the HD/HDS. He even had > high-quality drawings posted on his site (I believe they were in pdf) so you > could make your own. His dual sticks were in cutouts at the front of the > seat pan, just behind the spar, instead of the ZAC design with the sticks > forward of the spar. He also had a design to make flaps out of the wing > root. > The problem is, I don't remember who it was, and I can't find his > website any more. He may still be monitoring this list. It's a good idea > for someone who doesn't like CH's "Y" stick. I like the "Y", but that's > just personal preferance. Good luck in finding the design you want. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:04 PM PST US From: David Barth Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Carlos Sa was kind enough to send us the dual stick design by: Craig Cousens and John Taraboccia I have just uploaded it. It is located at the www.ch601.org site. Follow the links to builder resources and then look to the heading of Zodiac Changes. Careful the zip file is over 3 megs. Lots of good drawings and photos though. Perhaps the cndgoose will make it easier to access the individual drawings in the near future. Good Luck David Graham Kirby wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Graham Kirby" I think that particular dual stick design was by John Tarabocchia. I had a link to his web site but it doesn't seem to work anymore. Graham 601HD David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:09 PM PST US From: Johnny0464@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD with Dual Sticks --> Zenith-List message posted by: Johnny0464@aol.com In a message dated 9/24/2004 9:04:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, phadr1@yahoo.com writes: Hello, Phill, There was someone who had a nice website a while back who had designed an excellent-looking set of dual sticks for the HD/HDS. He even had high-quality drawings posted on his site (I believe they were in pdf) so you could make your own. His dual sticks were in cutouts at the front of the seat pan, just behind the spar, instead of the ZAC design with the sticks forward of the spar. He also had a design to make flaps out of the wing root. The problem is, I don't remember who it was, and I can't find his website any more. He may still be monitoring this list. It's a good idea for someone who doesn't like CH's "Y" stick. I like the "Y", but that's just personal preferance. Good luck in finding the design you want. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed That was me...... John W. Tarabocchia Project Supervisor / Engineering CFT E-mail: john_tarabocchia@wgresorts.com johnny0464@aol.com Phone: 407-709-7255 Nextel: 158*17047*156 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:46 PM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Zenith-List: Question --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" If Brandon Tucker is still on the list, Would he contact me direct. DO NOT ARCHIVE Aaron Gustafson