Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:24 AM - Re: Looking for a couple hours of Dual (Andrew SanClemente)
2. 08:07 AM - Re: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction (Jon Croke)
3. 10:01 AM - Re: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
4. 12:09 PM - Stock 912 exhaust fit a 601? (Trevor Page)
5. 02:32 PM - Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... (Matt Dralle)
6. 06:46 PM - Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... (Benford2@aol.com)
7. 06:47 PM - Free CAD software download (Bob Miller)
8. 07:56 PM - Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... (Jon Croke)
9. 08:06 PM - Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
10. 08:26 PM - Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... (Jon Croke)
11. 08:37 PM - Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a couple hours of Dual |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Jack,
you read my mind, I could always use a new pipe wrench ;)
=09- Andy
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Jack,
you read my mind, I could always use a new pipe wrench ;)
- Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
You were very close!
Try: http://CH701.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
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> Third time is a charm?
> http://kolbpilot.com/ch701/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MJBTOL@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com
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> In a message dated 9/25/04 11:12:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> MJBTOL@aol.com
> writes:
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>> >In the not too distant past, I've seen pictures of landing lights in the
>> >slats on a CH701. Would some kind soul please remind me as to where I
>> might
>> >view them again.
>
> Sorry bad URL. try www.701.com
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> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" <piercetonypeggy@mail.usa.com>
I found the pics...thanks to all who responded so quickly.
Tony
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
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> You were very close!
>
> Try: http://CH701.com
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pilot" <dhugunin@comcast.net>
>>
>> Third time is a charm?
>> http://kolbpilot.com/ch701/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <MJBTOL@aol.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Landing lights in the slats - CH701correction
>>
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 9/25/04 11:12:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> MJBTOL@aol.com
>> writes:
>>
>>> >In the not too distant past, I've seen pictures of landing lights in
>>> >the
>>> >slats on a CH701. Would some kind soul please remind me as to where I
>>> might
>>> >view them again.
>>
>> Sorry bad URL. try www.701.com
>>
>> Mike
>> do not archive
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>>
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| Subject: | Stock 912 exhaust fit a 601? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
I have an opportunity to buy a stock stainless system for a 912 locally
and was wondering if anyone has been able to fit a stock system in a
601? I understand the ZAC system can is smaller but perhaps not as high
quality? After taking some rough measurements of the stock cowling I
think I might be in for some glasswork (going to be doing that anyhow
to install my rads internally) to make it fit. 15" is the size of the
stock can I'm told.
Any thoughts?
Trevor Page 601HD
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| Subject: | Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Zenith Listers,
Well okay, the votes are in and the summary is below. Looks like members
favor keeping a single List by about a 2 to 1 margin. I've also include
the anonymous comments from various Listers supporting their vote.
Total Votes: 238
One List Only: 176
More Than One List: 62
Three Lists 47
Four Lists: 15
So, the people have spoken and I will keep just the single Zenith-List for
now. I want to thank everyone that took the time to make their preference
known via the online voting system. Thanks!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Comments From Listers Regarding: Keeping Operation The Same
* All though they look different the construction of these aircraft are so
similar that many times advice or info on one pertains to the other.
* Although the subject matter seems to drift aimlessly sometimes, almost
every day I learn something I can use on my 601XL, whether coming from a
701 builder or a HDS guy. Keep up the good work.
* As a 701 scratch builder I have no problem reading about other's problems
* As per the Zenith and Stratus lists, now one has to search both archives
for data on the engine. I'd leave the Zenith list as one piece. There's
information common to all Zenith product that's interchangeable as well.
Why have to search all lists.
* Building techniques are the same for all models. Sometimes I think the
list is a little irrelevant to me but I have gained a lot of insight from
builders of other models. Keep it as it is, that's my vote.
* CH701 builder, I like one list because, I also get ideas from the 601 and
801 builders.
* Construction of each of the airplanes is very similar. I have built a 701
and have gleaned very useful information posted by builders of 601 and 801
models.
* Even though I am a 601 builder, I appreciate reading the 701/801 messages.
* Even though I'm building a 601, I like having the STOL (701/801) people
on the list. Chris Heintz's several designs are sufficiently similar that I
find there are things I can learn about the building process from the STOL
people's questions and comments that will help me with my 601. I feel that
having type-specific lists in addition would severely dilute the content of
the greater Zenith-List.
* Hello, I don't think the new lists would be used enough to make them
worthwhile. Splitting up the lists would make it harder to keep track of
all the information, and cause valuable posts to be missed by members not
interested in subscribing to additional lists. The list has worked well the
way it is for several years, and I don't think the new lists are necessary,
at least not at this time.
* I'm very happy like that JUST ONE THING COULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ARCHIVE
ONLY WHEN IT'S MARK (DO ARCHIVE)feel sad and as you know the archive
getting filled with not relevant (pertinent) message.
* I agree that some topics are appropriate for all forums. If the aircraft
were different construction, I could see different lists. As they are all
built the "same", there is common ground. Please do not dilute the list.
* I agree that there are many issues that transcend all Zenith products.
Also, during quiet weeks, there would be nothing to read!
* I agree with you Matt. One is better, given the small volume and the fact
that 70% of discussion is relevant (even if it is a work around to a
model-specific problem).
* I agree with you that a lot of cool ideas can be applied to all the
models. I enjoy the reading all.
* I am a 701 builder and I like to be able to follow the discussions on the
other zeniths. They may or may not apply to the 701
* I am a future (hopefully) 601HD builder, and I don't see any value in
splitting things up. The nice thing right now is there is a little
information about everything and a lot of which can be common to all types.
* I am quite happy with list as stands. If I don't need to read a message,
the delete key works just fine.
* I am voting for a common list because I have an interest in learning more
about other Zenith models (I have a CH200).
* I believe splitting it up could result in a lose of information about
important subjects which are not specific to any one Zenith model but could
be of interest to all Zenith . I am referring to subjects such as avionics,
tires, painting and etc. Therefore in order to get all info, one would have
to be a member of all three lists, I would rather be a member of one all
inclusive Zenith list.
* I believe that there is enough common info on engines, systems, and
building techniques that these should be easily found on one list. i have
learned useful things from all builders (for the most part).
* I don't think is necessary, the main reason is that is the same building
system in all the Zenith models... All the advise could help any of us.
Personally one list is enough.
* I have a recently completed and flown CH801. There is not much traffic
regarding the 801, a lot more for the 701, some of which is useful to me.
Multiple lists will cause me to miss some interesting info.
* I have been faithfully lurking for some months now and have found the
content of the Zenith list to be most helpful. I am a 701 builder, having
adopted a partially completed plans-built project. I'm still in info
gathering mode and do a lot of pasting of information into my own file for
future reference. I hope to browse the archive eventually.
* I like it the way it is now. I can delete or ignore what I don't like.
Don Hill CH 801 Tail done Right wing done working on left wing
* I like it the way it is.
* I may only be a reader and a dreamer. I really enjoy the cross over of
information on the Zenith lines. But I'm not building yet so my vote
doesn't count as much.
* I think the list works great as is.
* I think we will lose too much shared information if we make the messages
go to different places.
* I very much like the one common list. I would like it even marginally
better if listers were more specific about the aircraft they were
commenting on: 601, 701 or 801. Sometimes it is not clear to which type of
aircraft the lister is referring. However, this is not a big point, only a
small suggestion for a slight improvement. I'm a big fan of the list.
Please keep it up.
* I went through the same thought process. I was annoyed at having to plow
through stuff I didn't need to get to the good stuff. Then I realized that
since CH designed all his models with the same mind set. Moreover he uses
the same construction techniques, so what applies to 601 also applies the
701/801. On the whole, I think the 3 models have more in common than they
have differences.
* I'd prefer a single list, as I'm building both a 601XL and a 701, both
from scratch.
* I'd prefer one common list, unless the daily volume increases substantially.
* I'd prefer one list. It would be nice if the list members would include
the model in the subject line so that appropriate filtering to move mail to
folders could be applied. A properly formatted subject line negates the
need for separating the lists.
* If it was split up, I feel I would miss valuable information unless I
checked the other Zenith lists, and that would be quite inconvenient. Based
on my years if list subscribing experiences in many areas of interest, the
Zenith list is certainly not busy enough to warrant split at this time.
* If we could get in the habit of listing subject and also make on the
subject line it would be very helpful: example: Elevator 601, or fuel line
701, etc.
* Instead of having separate lists why not just remind the writers never to
forget to include a 601/701/801 in the subject line if the subject is
limited to that specific plane (which it however seldom is).
* Keep the list as it is. Many, many problems relate to all Zeniths and
solutions are not specific to the model. Would lose a lot of good
information by serrating the lists.
* Keep them together - the mail count is low!
* Leave as is, no problem to "sort" for my interest. I learn things from
the other model discussions, what I don't want to read, I can readily delete.
* Leave the list as is. There is a lot of good info to be learned from the
other type builders. We can always hit the delete key if there is a post we
don't want to read.
* Leave things as they are, one list, but require that any message "subject
line" contain model number as first three characters. This would allow one
to read, or not read, at the option of the list member.
* List seems to be working as is..although I'm mainly interested in 601
discussion.
* Many tasks are not model specific. I have learned a lot over the years
from people not building the same model as I.
* I'm with you when you say that the volume of messages and diversity of
threads keeps the list interesting. I'm guessing that the request is coming
from the STOL side of the family since the list seems heavily weighted to
the 601 side but that just reflects the number of kits sold. How about we
ask the listers to state the model number in the subject line. I know that
this would be almost impossible to enforce but it could be introduced by
example and if it works well then many will follow. The STOL people could
skip the messages about the 601 or use filters in their email clients to
sort them. Where would the 640 builders go? You might end up with five
lists if it splits to each model. I like the common list and I don't like
the various RV lists because the information seems to be hidden in one
list, or cross-posted to all the lists anyway. I think I said in my earlier
vote that "I wouldn't want to miss out when the STOL builders find a
corrosion protection system that the company pays you to use, lightens the
plane by 25% and reduces fuel consumption by 15%."
* One common list, but prefix the topic with the three digit number e.g.,
701 wing slat or 601 engine etc.
* Present list looks goods to me.
* Quite a few questions/answers that come from one model is transferable to
all Heinze designs. It would be a shame if the few painting experts were
all building an 801, and all form-making experts were making a 601.
* Really like it the way it is now. Thanks much for this terrific service!
* Similar dynamic over in the RV section. The main RV page is far more
relevant. In the Zenith case, I agree if splintered would become to dilute.
* Thank you very much for your efforts on behalf of Zenith builders such as I.
* The cross-pollination of ideas is a good thing, in my opinion. The amount
of traffic is not large enough for the combined list to be a problem.
* The current setup works OK for me. Even though I am building a 601, I do
pick up gems from 701 and 801 builders.
* The list in it's present form is acceptable as long as the contributor
identifies the aircraft model, i.e. 601,701, etc. he is talking about.
* There is a lot of expertise that is relevant to building inherent in all
the participants. Splitting that up would be a shame.
* There is more that is common to the Zenith models than is different. It
is much easier to search in one place.
* There is much commonality in all of the models and while I'm a 701, I
find it beneficial to see what all builders contribute. Discussion RE
tools, primers, some engine discussions are all helpful. Skipping what is
not particularly interesting, such as some 601 specific, is not a problem.
* There is simply too much info, especially about engines, that applies to all.
* Too may lists (any splitting up or adding to of the current list) will
effectively reduce the usefulness. This from a 701 builder who does not
mind reading about 601s. In fact much of the info in transferable. Thanks
for the chance to respond.
* While the problems of one model's parts may not relate to another, the
ability to pick up techniques, and innovations is a universal benefit. I
don't mind deleting a bunch of non- relevant (to me) messages if somewhere
along the line I pick up a better, cheaper, quicker way of doing something.
* Working fine as is.
* Would prefer one common list, but would be more willing to support a
701/801 list than four separate ones....
* You did not offer my preferred option. I believe the current list should
be ended and split into three separate lists...601, 701, & 801. To continue
the current list AND add new specific lists just makes life too complicated.
* My reason for selecting one common list is because there are many
subjects that pertain to all Zodiacs, like engine, wiring, etc. Also it
helps when the 'subject' accurately depicts contents of message.
* I like it the way it is
Comments From Listers Regarding: Add Additional, Model Specific Lists
* I think if you go this route you'll find no one uses the common list.
* Having a 701/801 specific list could be nice, but it's not a huge deal.
* If the 3 list option wins out, can we set it up such that all postings to
the two new lists would automatically go to the original list, as well ?
* I can certainly live with the status quo, but have often wanted to see a
high/low wing split. Will save me some time d-ing (pine) through a bunch of
601 specific posts.
* I'm very much in favor of the split, as I don't think the 601 has much in
common with the 701/801,. It would really cut down on unwanted email, since
most of the topics are for the 601,.
* Searching the archive of the combined list would get general subjects.
* The differences between the 601 and the 701/801 are many. I don't need to
slog thru the 601 chatter to find that they have very little that effects
my 701.
* I am pretty happy with the list as is but I am only interested in the
601. If it is not a lot more work for you I would prefer the three lists.
* What about putting the 640 in there somewhere, perhaps with the 601/640?
I know we are a minority but we need the help also and our plane are
remotely similar to the 601.
* I would be in favor of ditching the common list. The aircraft are
different enough as to not have a lot of common parts, issues and problems.
Thank you for maintaining this list. I find it very helpful.
* I find it difficult to find a lot of 801 type info. It certainly would
seems to be best to have only 801 type info in one place. I find little
from the other models that helps me other than the support, slap on the
back type stuff.
* Finding too much non-essential, unrelated traffic. Want to interact with
other 801 owners only.
* These aircraft are VERY different. With so many lists out there to
monitor, I'd prefer to simplify, rather than add another (my choice-- 601
only, no Common List).
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/2004 3:33:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
dralle@matronics.com writes:
>
>
> Dear Zenith Listers,
>
> Well okay, the votes are in and the summary is below. Looks like members
> favor keeping a single List by about a 2 to 1 margin. I've also include
> the anonymous comments from various Listers supporting their vote.
>
>
Ah.. Democracy at its finest. Thanks Matt for all your hard work.
Ben Haas N801BH do not archive
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| Subject: | Free CAD software download |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
If you haven't checked out the free CAD program at http://www.emachineshop.com/download/index.htm that someone on this list recommended recently, you may be missing out on an extremely valuable tool. I've been experimenting with it and found it not only useful but, unlike other CAD programs I've tried, easy to use. (And "easy" for a mechanically challenged guy like me is really saying something!).
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Isnt this more like a 3 to 1 margin?
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> Well okay, the votes are in and the summary is below. Looks like members
> favor keeping a single List by about a 2 to 1 margin. I've also include
> the anonymous comments from various Listers supporting their vote.
>
> Total Votes: 238
>
> One List Only: 176
> More Than One List: 62
> Three Lists 47
> Four Lists: 15
>
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| Subject: | Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/2004 9:57:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
jon@joncroke.com writes:
> Isnt this more like a 3 to 1 margin?
>
> do not archive
>
> >Well okay, the votes are in and the summary is below. Looks like members
> >favor keeping a single List by about a 2 to 1 margin. I've also include
> >the anonymous comments from various Listers supporting their vote.
> >
> > Total Votes: 238
> >
> > One List Only: 176
> > More Than One List: 62
> > Three Lists 47
> > Four Lists: 15
No. It's 3.8387096 to 1, closer to 4:1.
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| Subject: | Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Are you sure?? Try that division again, and replace that calculator battery
(or if its a solar cell, get closer to a window!) ;)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
>> Isnt this more like a 3 to 1 margin?
>>
>> do not archive
>
> No. It's 3.8387096 to 1, closer to 4:1.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Split or Not-to-Split: The Voting Results... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/2004 10:27:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
jon@joncroke.com writes:
> Are you sure?? Try that division again, and replace that calculator
> battery
> (or if its a solar cell, get closer to a window!) ;)
>
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
> >
> >>Isnt this more like a 3 to 1 margin?
> >>
> >>do not archive
>
> >
> >No. It's 3.8387096 to 1, closer to 4:1.
OOPS! 2.83..... Calculator battery is fine, it's the old eyeballs that need
more juice.
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