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1. 05:04 AM - myrtle Beach (alex trent)
2. 07:28 AM - Workshop heating (Tony Bonsell)
3. 07:44 AM - HDS/HD wing swap for sale (601corvair)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 09:33 AM - Re:CH801 control forces (Dabusmith@aol.com)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Rick)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: 801 weather stripping (Leo J. Corbalis)
8. 11:06 AM - Interior plans?? (louiscfi@comcast.net)
9. 11:26 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Jack Russell)
10. 12:09 PM - CH 701 (Jeffrey A Beachy)
11. 12:21 PM - Re: Workshop heating (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
12. 03:29 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 04:32 PM - Re: Interior plans?? (sportpilot)
14. 05:27 PM - Re: Interior plans?? (Trevor Page)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
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>Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US
>From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: myrtle beach
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
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>Or is it the one in North Carolina?
>Larry
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "alex trent" <atrent7@cogeco.ca>
>Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle beach
>
>
>
> South Carolina, didn't realize there was a Mytle Meach in Florida.
alex
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| Subject: | Workshop heating |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell <tbonsell@luxuria.com>
Hi guys.
It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee
from freezing.
Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about
kerosene?
******************************************************
Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
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| Subject: | HDS/HD wing swap for sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
I would like to trade a set of never flown HDS wings for a set of HD. Ive come
to he conclusion the quicker 601 exceeds the design limits of this pilot. If
you put vortex generators on the wings you could have one of the sleekest high
performance experimental light sport aircraft around. The wings are polished
aluminum with primer on all the internal riveted surfaces. They were built
with the Heintz aileron attachments, baggage compartments, dual leading edge
tanks ( 2 x 10 gal) electric aileron trim, landing lights and strobe / Nav lights
all from zenith. They tanks have a capacitance fuel system from Skysport
and were fully wrapped with Buna cork. $6489.00 has been spent on the wings.
(Photos available off list.). If you have a set of comparable HD wings built,
partially built, or still in the box, lets talk and work on the details.
Phill
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| Subject: | Workshop heating |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
The rose bud barely makes any heat...I prefere the blast tube furnace
approach...A bit (lot) noise but it sure cranks out the heat.
Its clean enough, mostly water vapour...Invest in some insultion in your
shop. You won't regret it.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Bonsell
Subject: Zenith-List: Workshop heating
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell <tbonsell@luxuria.com>
Hi guys.
It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my
coffee from freezing.
Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What
about kerosene?
******************************************************
Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
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| Subject: | CH801 control forces |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
The control stick forces on the 701 are wonderful. Very light and balanced
except for the rudder but it is not bad.
Are the 601 aileron forces the same with the flex skin hinges compared to
the piano hinged ones? I have only flown in one and it seemed quite an effort to
level the wings after completing a turn.
Dave Smith
Graham WA.
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| Subject: | Re: Workshop heating |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
I don't know about the rosebud but when I lived in Ohio I had a propane torpedo
once.....thought it was going to kill me...dried throat and eyes out....I switched
to kerosene.
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Tony Bonsell <tbonsell@luxuria.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell
Hi guys.
It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee
from freezing.
Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about
kerosene?
******************************************************
Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
******************************************************
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: 801 weather stripping |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I use silicone sealer, GE Silicone II, to seal the front edge of my 601.
Outline the area you want the silicone to be with masking tape. I smear a
thin coat of white grease on the meeting surfaces as a release. Close the
door and let it set for 2 days. It will stick somewhat on the first opening
but not again. lightly trace the edge of the masking tape with a razor and
peel off the excess silicone on the tape. Wipe off the grease with some gas
on a rag. You will have a custom molded gasket on your door. If the door
flexes it will still let air in. I've used this technique several times with
excellent results.
Leo Corbalis
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From: "Keystone Engineering LLC" <keystone@gci.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 801 weather stripping
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC
<keystone@gci.net>
>
> I seem to get wet every time I fly my 801 when it is raining. I am using
foam weather stripping around the doors. Does anyone have a suggestion for
a better method of weather stripping the doors?
>
> I found when I installed thin weather stripping on the bottom access door,
some of the oil canning at low speeds disappeared.
>
> Bill Wilcox
> Valdez, AK
> N801BW
> 130 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Interior plans?? |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net
Hey gang,
Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is going to
do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact plans, or dimensions
for the interior of an xl.
Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine around, (and
i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the plans, you may
respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do so privately. Thanks
for any help.
--
Louis
601xl, corvair pwr
j-41 capt
CFII SMEL
http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405
Hey gang,
Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is going to
do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact plans, or dimensions
for the interior of an xl.
Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine around, (and
i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the plans, you may
respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do so privately. Thanks
for any help.
--
Louis
601xl, corvair pwr
j-41 capt
CFII SMEL
http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405
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| Subject: | Re: Workshop heating |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
I put a pellet stove in my house last year and moved my old woodburning stove out
to my shop. Works fine if I plan to work all day but too much trouble to light
for a couple of hours. Jack in Clovis Ca
Tony Bonsell <tbonsell@luxuria.com> wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony
Bonsell
Hi guys.
It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee
from freezing.
Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about
kerosene?
******************************************************
Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
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Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy <beachyjeff@juno.com>
I am seriously considering building a CH 701 to supplement/replace my
current ultralight. I live in central Ohio and am wondering if anyone in
Ohio is currently building a 701 who wouldn't mind my stopping in to take
a look, ask some questions, etc. If anyone is interested, please contact
me off list at beachyjeff@juno.com.
Thank-you in advance.
Jeff Beachy
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| Subject: | Re: Workshop heating |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when
you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for
8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air
tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate
the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
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-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell
>
> Hi guys.
>
> It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee
> from freezing.
>
> Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
> really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about
> kerosene?
>
>
> ******************************************************
> Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
> Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
> 535 Cragg Road, RR #3
> Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
> Voice: 905.852.3848
> http://www.luxuria.com
>
I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when
you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for
8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air
tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate
the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
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-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell <TBONSELL@LUXURIA.COM>
Hi guys.
It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee
from freezing.
Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about
kerosene?
******************************************************
Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
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| Subject: | Workshop heating |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I think you will find the reason for this was not the heater itself.
Propane in fact makes quite a bit of water vapour. I think its more
likely that it was so cold where you were there was almost zero moisture
in the air. When you heat the air there is still no moisture but as the
capacity for air to hold moisture rises rapidly with increasing
temperature, it will evaporate it from almost anywhere...I.e nose and
throat.
Relative humidity in fact is the mass of moisture in the air divided by
the moisture the air can hold at that temperature.
Probably the heater was too effective at raising the temp. and the
relative humidity plumetted as a result.
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
I don't know about the rosebud but when I lived in Ohio I had a propane
torpedo once.....thought it was going to kill me...dried throat and eyes
out....I switched to kerosene.
do not archive
Tony Bonsell <tbonsell@luxuria.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell
Hi guys.
It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my
coffee from freezing.
Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm
really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What
about kerosene?
******************************************************
Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF
Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications
535 Cragg Road, RR #3
Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3
Voice: 905.852.3848
http://www.luxuria.com
******************************************************
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Interior plans?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
I have a case, (needs new studs and cleaning, I have a like new
crankshaft (ww manual) with bearings ready to
go, also have a cam (needs regound) with gear, and a set of rods that
need new small end bushings and checked
for big end roundness.. also a set up jugs that need cleaned.. I was
going to build an xl but found a awesome
deal on a Vans RV9a and lycoming 0320 so I changed teams.. btw I have
a untouched XL rudder kit also if
anyone needs that.. with zenith air rivet gun.. new
Danny
dlawhon@sportplanesoftexas.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <louiscfi@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Interior plans??
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is
> going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact
> plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl.
> Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine
> around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the
> plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do
> so privately. Thanks for any help.
>
> --
> Louis
> 601xl, corvair pwr
> j-41 capt
> CFII SMEL
> http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is
> going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact
> plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl.
> Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine
> around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the
> plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do
> so privately. Thanks for any help.
>
> --
> Louis
> 601xl, corvair pwr
> j-41 capt
> CFII SMEL
> http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Interior plans?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
That's a great question. After doing a lot of research and looking
around on the net I decided to do my own interior and live with the
results, good or bad. After all, if I'm going to spend my time INSIDE
the plane it might as well look good and be comfortable.
I'm glad to report that the interior of my HD turned out MUCH better
than I could ever have imagined. I must say though that I probably
spent more time on the interior so far any anything else on the plane.
The trick here is to take your time, take lots of measurements and be
creative.
In my case I made some fabric-covered foam panels on either side of the
seats and the space between the seats and instrument panel. I purchased
the fabric from a local fabric shop that specializes in upholstery
fabric for about $40 CND total. The foam I used is the blue stuff you
can buy at a camping outlet to cover the ground under a sleeping bag.
Perfect thickness and I had some lying around (free!).
Fabric was carefully trimmed and glued to the foam, put under pressure
for a few days then glued into place on the side panels. Perfect fit
and texture was just right.
Floors were covered in a rubber dot pattern mat, contact cemented.
Those turned out great as well but the contact cement was a little on
the tough side to get things right. Make sure you use the right
kind!...
Now, the seats I really beat my head on a lot. I looked at the
beautiful job Larry did on Macsmachine.com but I thought that was a bit
more work than I wanted to tackle (making forms and such). What I did
here was to buy 2 72" x 2" x 24" sheets of foam from a local store and
cut and measure them to my liking. I glues the form into the form
shapes I wanted. I made the seats in 2 pieces for ease of removal. The
back of the seats were made from 1/4" MDF I bought from Home Deport for
like $3 each. I used Larry's method of making a .025 bent lip to keep
the seat back "hooked" onto the rear seat spar. Fabric again was
purchased from the same store as before. Carefully glued, smoothed and
rear stapled to the seat backs. I was thinking of stitching the fabric
to give it a more finished look but in the end they turned out better
so I left them alone. If these seats don't work out then I'll go out
and buy some Obus Forme (www.obusforme.com) seats and see what happens.
Total cost for making the seats and side panels was under $100 CND
which is like $20 US :) Just kidding.
Go have a look at my interior pictures to give you some ideas...
http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/
Click on the 601 project then on the Interiro/Seats album.
Trevor Page
601 HD 96.5% complete.
On Sep 29, 2004, at 2:05 PM, louiscfi@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is
> going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact
> plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl.
> Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine
> around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to
> the plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine,
> please do so privately. Thanks for any help.
>
> --
> Louis
> 601xl, corvair pwr
> j-41 capt
> CFII SMEL
> http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405
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