---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/29/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:04 AM - myrtle Beach (alex trent) 2. 07:28 AM - Workshop heating (Tony Bonsell) 3. 07:44 AM - HDS/HD wing swap for sale (601corvair) 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 09:33 AM - Re:CH801 control forces (Dabusmith@aol.com) 6. 10:02 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Rick) 7. 10:30 AM - Re: 801 weather stripping (Leo J. Corbalis) 8. 11:06 AM - Interior plans?? (louiscfi@comcast.net) 9. 11:26 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Jack Russell) 10. 12:09 PM - CH 701 (Jeffrey A Beachy) 11. 12:21 PM - Re: Workshop heating (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 13. 04:32 PM - Re: Interior plans?? (sportpilot) 14. 05:27 PM - Re: Interior plans?? (Trevor Page) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:14 AM PST US From: alex trent Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle Beach --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent > >Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US >From: "Larry McFarland" >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: myrtle beach > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > >Or is it the one in North Carolina? >Larry >Do not archive. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "alex trent" >Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle beach > > > > South Carolina, didn't realize there was a Mytle Meach in Florida. alex Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Workshop heating From: Tony Bonsell --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell Hi guys. It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:25 AM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: HDS/HD wing swap for sale --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair I would like to trade a set of never flown HDS wings for a set of HD. Ive come to he conclusion the quicker 601 exceeds the design limits of this pilot. If you put vortex generators on the wings you could have one of the sleekest high performance experimental light sport aircraft around. The wings are polished aluminum with primer on all the internal riveted surfaces. They were built with the Heintz aileron attachments, baggage compartments, dual leading edge tanks ( 2 x 10 gal) electric aileron trim, landing lights and strobe / Nav lights all from zenith. They tanks have a capacitance fuel system from Skysport and were fully wrapped with Buna cork. $6489.00 has been spent on the wings. (Photos available off list.). If you have a set of comparable HD wings built, partially built, or still in the box, lets talk and work on the details. Phill Do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Workshop heating From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" The rose bud barely makes any heat...I prefere the blast tube furnace approach...A bit (lot) noise but it sure cranks out the heat. Its clean enough, mostly water vapour...Invest in some insultion in your shop. You won't regret it. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Bonsell Subject: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell Hi guys. It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:17 AM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: RE:Zenith-List: CH801 control forces --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com The control stick forces on the 701 are wonderful. Very light and balanced except for the rudder but it is not bad. Are the 601 aileron forces the same with the flex skin hinges compared to the piano hinged ones? I have only flown in one and it seemed quite an effort to level the wings after completing a turn. Dave Smith Graham WA. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:48 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick I don't know about the rosebud but when I lived in Ohio I had a propane torpedo once.....thought it was going to kill me...dried throat and eyes out....I switched to kerosene. do not archive Tony Bonsell wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell Hi guys. It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** Rick Orlando, FL http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:30 AM PST US From: "Leo J. Corbalis" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 weather stripping --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" I use silicone sealer, GE Silicone II, to seal the front edge of my 601. Outline the area you want the silicone to be with masking tape. I smear a thin coat of white grease on the meeting surfaces as a release. Close the door and let it set for 2 days. It will stick somewhat on the first opening but not again. lightly trace the edge of the masking tape with a razor and peel off the excess silicone on the tape. Wipe off the grease with some gas on a rag. You will have a custom molded gasket on your door. If the door flexes it will still let air in. I've used this technique several times with excellent results. Leo Corbalis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keystone Engineering LLC" Subject: Zenith-List: 801 weather stripping > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC > > I seem to get wet every time I fly my 801 when it is raining. I am using foam weather stripping around the doors. Does anyone have a suggestion for a better method of weather stripping the doors? > > I found when I installed thin weather stripping on the bottom access door, some of the oil canning at low speeds disappeared. > > Bill Wilcox > Valdez, AK > N801BW > 130 hrs > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:28 AM PST US From: louiscfi@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: Interior plans?? 0.50 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary 0.01 RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE Received: by and from look like IP addresses --> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net Hey gang, Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl. Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do so privately. Thanks for any help. -- Louis 601xl, corvair pwr j-41 capt CFII SMEL http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 Hey gang, Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl. Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do so privately. Thanks for any help. -- Louis 601xl, corvair pwr j-41 capt CFII SMEL http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:11 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell I put a pellet stove in my house last year and moved my old woodburning stove out to my shop. Works fine if I plan to work all day but too much trouble to light for a couple of hours. Jack in Clovis Ca Tony Bonsell wrote:--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell Hi guys. It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** Jack Russell -Clovis CA 601 XL Jabiru 3300 Progress update at: http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH 701 From: Jeffrey A Beachy --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeffrey A Beachy I am seriously considering building a CH 701 to supplement/replace my current ultralight. I live in central Ohio and am wondering if anyone in Ohio is currently building a 701 who wouldn't mind my stopping in to take a look, ask some questions, etc. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list at beachyjeff@juno.com. Thank-you in advance. Jeff Beachy ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:30 PM PST US From: bryanmmartin@comcast.net Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for 8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In phase I testing. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > Hi guys. > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee > from freezing. > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about > kerosene? > > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for 8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In phase I testing. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell Hi guys. It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Workshop heating From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I think you will find the reason for this was not the heater itself. Propane in fact makes quite a bit of water vapour. I think its more likely that it was so cold where you were there was almost zero moisture in the air. When you heat the air there is still no moisture but as the capacity for air to hold moisture rises rapidly with increasing temperature, it will evaporate it from almost anywhere...I.e nose and throat. Relative humidity in fact is the mass of moisture in the air divided by the moisture the air can hold at that temperature. Probably the heater was too effective at raising the temp. and the relative humidity plumetted as a result. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick I don't know about the rosebud but when I lived in Ohio I had a propane torpedo once.....thought it was going to kill me...dried throat and eyes out....I switched to kerosene. do not archive Tony Bonsell wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell Hi guys. It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** Rick Orlando, FL http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html --------------------------------- == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:34 PM PST US From: "sportpilot" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Interior plans?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" I have a case, (needs new studs and cleaning, I have a like new crankshaft (ww manual) with bearings ready to go, also have a cam (needs regound) with gear, and a set of rods that need new small end bushings and checked for big end roundness.. also a set up jugs that need cleaned.. I was going to build an xl but found a awesome deal on a Vans RV9a and lycoming 0320 so I changed teams.. btw I have a untouched XL rudder kit also if anyone needs that.. with zenith air rivet gun.. new Danny dlawhon@sportplanesoftexas.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Interior plans?? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net > > Hey gang, > > Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is > going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact > plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl. > Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine > around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the > plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do > so privately. Thanks for any help. > > -- > Louis > 601xl, corvair pwr > j-41 capt > CFII SMEL > http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 > > Hey gang, > > Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is > going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact > plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl. > Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine > around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to the > plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, please do > so privately. Thanks for any help. > > -- > Louis > 601xl, corvair pwr > j-41 capt > CFII SMEL > http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:29 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Interior plans?? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page That's a great question. After doing a lot of research and looking around on the net I decided to do my own interior and live with the results, good or bad. After all, if I'm going to spend my time INSIDE the plane it might as well look good and be comfortable. I'm glad to report that the interior of my HD turned out MUCH better than I could ever have imagined. I must say though that I probably spent more time on the interior so far any anything else on the plane. The trick here is to take your time, take lots of measurements and be creative. In my case I made some fabric-covered foam panels on either side of the seats and the space between the seats and instrument panel. I purchased the fabric from a local fabric shop that specializes in upholstery fabric for about $40 CND total. The foam I used is the blue stuff you can buy at a camping outlet to cover the ground under a sleeping bag. Perfect thickness and I had some lying around (free!). Fabric was carefully trimmed and glued to the foam, put under pressure for a few days then glued into place on the side panels. Perfect fit and texture was just right. Floors were covered in a rubber dot pattern mat, contact cemented. Those turned out great as well but the contact cement was a little on the tough side to get things right. Make sure you use the right kind!... Now, the seats I really beat my head on a lot. I looked at the beautiful job Larry did on Macsmachine.com but I thought that was a bit more work than I wanted to tackle (making forms and such). What I did here was to buy 2 72" x 2" x 24" sheets of foam from a local store and cut and measure them to my liking. I glues the form into the form shapes I wanted. I made the seats in 2 pieces for ease of removal. The back of the seats were made from 1/4" MDF I bought from Home Deport for like $3 each. I used Larry's method of making a .025 bent lip to keep the seat back "hooked" onto the rear seat spar. Fabric again was purchased from the same store as before. Carefully glued, smoothed and rear stapled to the seat backs. I was thinking of stitching the fabric to give it a more finished look but in the end they turned out better so I left them alone. If these seats don't work out then I'll go out and buy some Obus Forme (www.obusforme.com) seats and see what happens. Total cost for making the seats and side panels was under $100 CND which is like $20 US :) Just kidding. Go have a look at my interior pictures to give you some ideas... http://pagefamily.homeunix.org/picture_album/ Click on the 601 project then on the Interiro/Seats album. Trevor Page 601 HD 96.5% complete. On Sep 29, 2004, at 2:05 PM, louiscfi@comcast.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net > > Hey gang, > > Im thinking about the interior, and I think a friend of the family is > going to do our interior. Just wondering if anyone has a set of exact > plans, or dimensions for the interior of an xl. > Also, Im still looking for a corvair engine core, or project engine > around, (and i use that term loosely), St.Louis, MO. If responding to > the plans, you may respond on list, but if responding to the engine, > please do so privately. Thanks for any help. > > -- > Louis > 601xl, corvair pwr > j-41 capt > CFII SMEL > http://webpages.charter.net/volson8405