---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/30/04: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:34 AM - Re: Myrtle Beach (ransley) 2. 07:01 AM - Re: Workshop heating (LRM) 3. 08:54 AM - shop heat (lps1077@juno.com) 4. 09:23 AM - Re: Workshop heating (David Barth) 5. 09:53 AM - Re: XL Cabin Width, actual (john butterfield) 6. 10:16 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Kent Brown) 7. 10:27 AM - Surface Prep for Painting (George F May) 8. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: XL Cabin Width, actual (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 9. 11:05 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Tom Pizzacalla) 10. 11:32 AM - weather stripping 801 door (Keystone Engineering LLC) 11. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: XL Cabin Width, actual (Scott Laughlin) 12. 03:52 PM - XL Baggage Locker Rear Panel (tmak) 13. 04:18 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Johann G.) 14. 05:00 PM - Re: shop heat (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 15. 05:15 PM - CH200 and CH 250 Vs Ch 601 (Woody Sulloway) 16. 07:23 PM - Re: CH200 and CH 250 Vs Ch 601 (Jim and Lucy) 17. 07:54 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Dave & Darlene) 18. 11:06 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Dirk Slabbert) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:32 AM PST US From: ransley Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Myrtle Beach --> Zenith-List message posted by: ransley -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Zenith-List Digest Server Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 09/29/04 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-2 9.html You may want to check out the grass strip south of Conway SC on US701, where the banner pullers fly out of (the guys that fly up & down the beach pulling advertising banners). The old strip at Little River is gone, covered up in condos. Nice paved airstrip at Ocean Isle Beach NC, just 30 some odd miles north of MBSC. DB Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:56 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" Use a good size blue flame ventfree propane heater. I use two of them and burned 146 gallons of propane last year. You can get them out of Northern Equipment fairly reasonable. No noise, unless you add fan, no smell, about $130, 10,000 BTU. http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/LLCategoryDisplayView? storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&productId=629130&category Id=155629 Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > I think you will find the reason for this was not the heater itself. > Propane in fact makes quite a bit of water vapour. I think its more > likely that it was so cold where you were there was almost zero moisture > in the air. When you heat the air there is still no moisture but as the > capacity for air to hold moisture rises rapidly with increasing > temperature, it will evaporate it from almost anywhere...I.e nose and > throat. > > Relative humidity in fact is the mass of moisture in the air divided by > the moisture the air can hold at that temperature. > > Probably the heater was too effective at raising the temp. and the > relative humidity plumetted as a result. > > Frank > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick > > I don't know about the rosebud but when I lived in Ohio I had a propane > torpedo once.....thought it was going to kill me...dried throat and eyes > out....I switched to kerosene. > > do not archive > > Tony Bonsell wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > Hi guys. > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my > coffee from freezing. > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What > about kerosene? > > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > > ****************************************************** > > > Rick > Orlando, FL > http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html > > --------------------------------- > > > == > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. > == > == > == > > --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:40 AM PST US From: "lps1077@juno.com" Subject: Zenith-List: shop heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lps1077@juno.com" I got my propane heater at Lowes. It is call a Mr Heater Portable Heater. It was $79.00 list but got it at the end of last winter for $35.00. It put out 4000-9000 BTU and will heat up to 200 square feet, Is approved for indoor use, has a low oxygen shut off system, has a an accidental tip over safety shut off system, has push button ignition, has a high low setting and operated 3 to 6 hours on a 1 lb. cylinder and 48 to 110 hours on a 20 lb tank. I liked it so much in the shop and camping that I got another one this spring. I will hooking both of mine to a 100 gallon tank this year. Lowes now sells a bigger one that is twice as nice but twice the cost. still check them out. I was not able to find this heater at Home Depot though. I think lowes has the best selection of heating products. JASON JEFFERSON CITY MO 601XL CORVAIR POWERED ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:19 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth Hey Tony. I can't comment on how well this will work but there is a "Mr. Heater" 35,000 btu forced air propane heater in the Princess Auto catalogue that just came out for $135 CDN. Thought you might want to look into it is there is a Princess Auto in your neck of the woods. David do not archive David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:56 AM PST US From: john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cabin Width, actual --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield --- Zenith-List Digest Server wrote: Hello List After looking at many pictures of the interior of the XL, i am wondering what the actural width of the cabin is. Zenith states it is 44", but how is that measured?Is it from the outside of the fuse or from the rails that hold the canopy. Reason i am asking, i measured the Pulsar XL and they say it is also 44", but the actural measurement is 42" from the outside of the skin to skin. The RV people say their planes are 42 inches, and if the 601 is in reality measured from skin to skin, there is not much difference. Not sure it will really make much difference to me as i am going with WW's corvair engine, but would like to know. In any case, i guess i will have to lose some girth during the building process. John Butterfield > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be > found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes > the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features > Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the > plain ASCII version > of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a > generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-29.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-29.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > > > Zenith-List Digest > Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed > 09/29/04: 14 > > > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 05:04 AM - myrtle Beach (alex trent) > 2. 07:28 AM - Workshop heating (Tony Bonsell) > 3. 07:44 AM - HDS/HD wing swap for sale > (601corvair) > 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > 5. 09:33 AM - Re:CH801 control forces > (Dabusmith@aol.com) > 6. 10:02 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Rick) > 7. 10:30 AM - Re: 801 weather stripping (Leo > J. Corbalis) > 8. 11:06 AM - Interior plans?? > (louiscfi@comcast.net) > 9. 11:26 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Jack > Russell) > 10. 12:09 PM - CH 701 (Jeffrey A Beachy) > 11. 12:21 PM - Re: Workshop heating > (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) > 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > 13. 04:32 PM - Re: Interior plans?? > (sportpilot) > 14. 05:27 PM - Re: Interior plans?? (Trevor > Page) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:04:14 AM PST US > From: alex trent > Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle Beach > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent > > > > > > >Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US > >From: "Larry McFarland" > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: myrtle beach > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry > McFarland" > > > >Or is it the one in North Carolina? > >Larry > >Do not archive. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "alex trent" > >Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle beach > > > > > > > > South Carolina, didn't realize there was a > Mytle Meach in Florida. > > > > alex > Do not archive. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:28:48 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > From: Tony Bonsell > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > > Hi guys. > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just > enough to keep my coffee > from freezing. > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but > how clean is it? I'm > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you > guys doing it? What about > kerosene? > > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > > ****************************************************** > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:44:25 AM PST US > From: 601corvair > Subject: Zenith-List: HDS/HD wing swap for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair > > > > I would like to trade a set of never flown HDS wings > for a set of HD. Ive come > to he conclusion the quicker 601 exceeds the design > limits of this pilot. If > you put vortex generators on the wings you could > have one of the sleekest high > performance experimental light sport aircraft > around. The wings are polished > aluminum with primer on all the internal riveted > surfaces. They were built > with the Heintz aileron attachments, baggage > compartments, dual leading edge > tanks ( 2 x 10 gal) electric aileron trim, landing > lights and strobe / Nav lights > all from zenith. They tanks have a capacitance fuel > system from Skysport > and were fully wrapped with Buna cork. $6489.00 has > been spent on the wings. > (Photos available off list.). If you have a set of > comparable HD wings built, > partially built, or still in the box, lets talk and > work on the details. > > Phill > > Do not archive > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > === message truncated === ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:08 AM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" Many years ago I had a garage heated with a wall mounted natural gas heater. It was vented out the wall and put out enough heat to work comfortably in the insulated garage. Seems to me they could be bought for either propane or natural gas, and were not terribly expensive. Kent It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee from freezing. Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about kerosene? ****************************************************** Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 Voice: 905.852.3848 http://www.luxuria.com ****************************************************** Rick Orlando, FL http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html --------------------------------- == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Surface Prep for Painting From: George F May 09/30/2004 13:27:09 --> Zenith-List message posted by: George F May Folks-- I found this website on a non-chromate, non-alodine prep system. Is anyone familiar with this product or has tried it? http://www.terravendi.com/terravendi-main-en.asp George 601XL --getting set to start the wings- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cabin Width, actual From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I have 601 HDS, I have not actually measured it but when we sat in the RV7a my Wife did state that the cabin feels a little narrower...After thinking about it I would have to agree. Maybe only an inch or so but it was noticable. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john butterfield Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cabin Width, actual --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield --> --- Zenith-List Digest Server wrote: Hello List After looking at many pictures of the interior of the XL, i am wondering what the actural width of the cabin is. Zenith states it is 44", but how is that measured?Is it from the outside of the fuse or from the rails that hold the canopy. Reason i am asking, i measured the Pulsar XL and they say it is also 44", but the actural measurement is 42" from the outside of the skin to skin. The RV people say their planes are 42 inches, and if the 601 is in reality measured from skin to skin, there is not much difference. Not sure it will really make much difference to me as i am going with WW's corvair engine, but would like to know. In any case, i guess i will have to lose some girth during the building process. John Butterfield > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be > found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes > the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features > Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the > plain ASCII version > of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a > generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-2 9.html > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-2 9.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > > > Zenith-List Digest > Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed > 09/29/04: 14 > > > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 05:04 AM - myrtle Beach (alex trent) > 2. 07:28 AM - Workshop heating (Tony Bonsell) > 3. 07:44 AM - HDS/HD wing swap for sale > (601corvair) > 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > 5. 09:33 AM - Re:CH801 control forces > (Dabusmith@aol.com) > 6. 10:02 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Rick) > 7. 10:30 AM - Re: 801 weather stripping (Leo > J. Corbalis) > 8. 11:06 AM - Interior plans?? > (louiscfi@comcast.net) > 9. 11:26 AM - Re: Workshop heating (Jack > Russell) > 10. 12:09 PM - CH 701 (Jeffrey A Beachy) > 11. 12:21 PM - Re: Workshop heating > (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) > 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Workshop heating (Hinde, > Frank George (Corvallis)) > 13. 04:32 PM - Re: Interior plans?? > (sportpilot) > 14. 05:27 PM - Re: Interior plans?? (Trevor > Page) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:04:14 AM PST US > From: alex trent > Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle Beach > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: alex trent > > > > > > >Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US > >From: "Larry McFarland" > >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: myrtle beach > > > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry > McFarland" > > > >Or is it the one in North Carolina? > >Larry > >Do not archive. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "alex trent" > >Subject: Zenith-List: myrtle beach > > > > > > > > South Carolina, didn't realize there was a > Mytle Meach in Florida. > > > > alex > Do not archive. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:28:48 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > From: Tony Bonsell > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > > Hi guys. > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just > enough to keep my coffee > from freezing. > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but > how clean is it? I'm > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you > guys doing it? What about > kerosene? > > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > > ****************************************************** > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:44:25 AM PST US > From: 601corvair > Subject: Zenith-List: HDS/HD wing swap for sale > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair > > > > I would like to trade a set of never flown HDS wings > for a set of HD. Ive come > to he conclusion the quicker 601 exceeds the design > limits of this pilot. If > you put vortex generators on the wings you could > have one of the sleekest high > performance experimental light sport aircraft > around. The wings are polished > aluminum with primer on all the internal riveted > surfaces. They were built > with the Heintz aileron attachments, baggage > compartments, dual leading edge > tanks ( 2 x 10 gal) electric aileron trim, landing > lights and strobe / Nav lights > all from zenith. They tanks have a capacitance fuel > system from Skysport > and were fully wrapped with Buna cork. $6489.00 has > been spent on the wings. > (Photos available off list.). If you have a set of comparable HD > wings built, partially built, or still in the box, lets talk and > work on the details. > > Phill > > Do not archive > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > === message truncated === == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:12 AM PST US From: "Tom Pizzacalla" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Pizzacalla" I use the Coleman Power Mate forced air heater. It blows out 40,000 BTU of heat instantly and is CO free. It will burn about 8 hours on a regular sized propane cylinder and I find I have to shut it off periodically because it is so effective. My garage is insulated and attached to the house. You can pick one up at Canadian Tire, their not cheep but work great! Another strategy is to use it to heat things up initially and then maintain the warmth with a wood stove. You'll be working in minutes even in the coldest conditions. Tom Pizzacalla tompizza@cogeco.ca ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:19 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: weather stripping 801 door --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC Leo That is the best Idea I have heard. I may do that tonight so I can fly this weekend! Thanks Bill --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" I use silicone sealer, GE Silicone II, to seal the front edge of my 601. Outline the area you want the silicone to be with masking tape. I smear a thin coat of white grease on the meeting surfaces as a release. Close the door and let it set for 2 days. It will stick somewhat on the first opening but not again. lightly trace the edge of the masking tape with a razor and peel off the excess silicone on the tape. Wipe off the grease with some gas on a rag. You will have a custom molded gasket on your door. If the door flexes it will still let air in. I've used this technique several times with excellent results. Leo Corbalis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keystone Engineering LLC" Subject: Zenith-List: 801 weather stripping > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC > > I seem to get wet every time I fly my 801 when it is raining. I am using foam weather stripping around the doors. Does anyone have a suggestion for a better method of weather stripping the doors? > > I found when I installed thin weather stripping on the bottom access door, some of the oil canning at low speeds disappeared. > > Bill Wilcox > Valdez, AK > N801BW > 130 hrs > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:19 AM PST US From: "Scott Laughlin" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cabin Width, actual --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" John: Recently, during the assembly of my fuselage I found that the width is set by the Upper Seat Baggage Floor Support (6-B-16-6) which is called out in the drawing to be 1115 mm wide. This calculates to 43.89 inches. The cabin is a hair wider to accommodate the upper longerons. I'll measure from skin to skin this afternoon and report back to you. Scott Laughlin http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ 601XL/Corvair ----Original Message Follows---- From: john butterfield i am wondering what the actural width of the cabin is. Zenith states it is 44", but how is that measured? Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:44 PM PST US From: "tmak" Subject: Zenith-List: XL Baggage Locker Rear Panel --> Zenith-List message posted by: "tmak" Just a heads up. I saw a recent posting about the Wing Locker Rear Panel for the 601XL being too short to fit between the ribs. I was at the same position of installing the wing locker in the right wing and the locker panel is 498mm wide. The gap between the ribs is 520mm. In order to bridge the gap between the ribs without warping the ribs, I would have needed 11mm of the L-angle protruding from BOTH sides of the panel. That wouldn't allow for adequate edge distance for the rivets. I wrote to ZAC and they agreed that the panels are too short. They are sending replacement panels of 518mm. Tom 601XL Tail, flaps & ailerons done. Working on right Wing. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:02 PM PST US From: "Johann G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello list members. I just have to comment on your ways to heat up your workshop. Up here in Iceland, we do not have this problem. All or most of our houses are heated with geo-thermo heating. All year round, our houses have the same heat. Around 20C or 68F. No oil, coal, or other heat sources to waste, just hot water from the ground. I know this is not kind to brag about this, but we have to have something to brag about, we can not always have the nice weather you guys are having to fly. :-) Too much wind and rain during the winter time. Hope you find a good way to heat up your workshop. Happy building, Johann G. Iceland. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > > I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for 8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though. > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > In phase I testing. > do not archive > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > > > Hi guys. > > > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee > > from freezing. > > > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm > > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about > > kerosene? > > > > > > ****************************************************** > > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > > Voice: 905.852.3848 > > http://www.luxuria.com > > > > I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for 8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though. > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > In phase I testing. > do not archive > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > -- Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > Hi guys. > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee > from freezing. > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about > kerosene? > > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: shop heat From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Don't you mean 40,000 to 90,000 BTU's?.....That would be roughly 11.71 to 26.37 kW....:) This would be a decent size to heat a cold 200 sq ft shop. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lps1077@juno.com Subject: Zenith-List: shop heat --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lps1077@juno.com" I got my propane heater at Lowes. It is call a Mr Heater Portable Heater. It was $79.00 list but got it at the end of last winter for $35.00. It put out 4000-9000 BTU and will heat up to 200 square feet, Is approved for indoor use, has a low oxygen shut off system, has a an accidental tip over safety shut off system, has push button ignition, has a high low setting and operated 3 to 6 hours on a 1 lb. cylinder and 48 to 110 hours on a 20 lb tank. I liked it so much in the shop and camping that I got another one this spring. I will hooking both of mine to a 100 gallon tank this year. Lowes now sells a bigger one that is twice as nice but twice the cost. still check them out. I was not able to find this heater at Home Depot though. I think lowes has the best selection of heating products. JASON JEFFERSON CITY MO 601XL CORVAIR POWERED == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:44 PM PST US From: Woody Sulloway Subject: Zenith-List: CH200 and CH 250 Vs Ch 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Woody Sulloway Hi Folks, I'm contemplating buying a Zenith/Zodiac, Obviously the specifications for the 601 are on the zenith site, but what are the differences between the CH200 and CH250 verses the CH601 or HD and HDS? I currently have a Cessna 150 that will go up for sale soon. I have over 1300 hrs split mostly between the 150's (2) (about 500 hrs) and a Cherokee 140 (about 800) plus a few 172 and Super Cub hours. It looks like the useful load s are sorta the same, but things like fuel capacity and panels seem to differ. How about baggage storage and fuel options for the O320 power models etc. What do I need to look out for in a prepurchase inspection? Thanks for taking your time to give me any tips and advice you can. Why a Zenith? looks like a nice bird. the higher cruise speeds are a plus. Most have a certificated engine, tricycle gear. Why don't I build one? I know what my skill levels are. I have been a boat mechanic for over 30 years and have done the bulk of the maintenance on my aircraft for the last 25 years. (Under proper supervision, of course!) I'm ready to own an experimental! Regards Woody Sulloway MRH Beaufort, NC Foot of the outer banks! > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:20 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH200 and CH 250 Vs Ch 601 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy At 08:14 PM 9/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Woody Sulloway > > >Hi Folks, >I'm contemplating buying a Zenith/Zodiac, Obviously the specifications for >the 601 are on the zenith site, but what are the differences between the >CH200 and CH250 >verses the CH601 or HD and HDS? I uploaded some files with the zenair aircraft handout flyers for the older models I scanned and zipped. These give you the specs on most of the older ones that are not sold now. zenairold1.zip and zenairold2.zip are the ones you are looking for http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zenithkitaircraft/files/ You may need to join this group to get them? Jim Pollard merlin ont cutting holes in instrument pannel ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:13 PM PST US From: "Dave & Darlene" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" I'm heading for Princess Auto this friday and in the process of picking up one of these heaters. Will let the list know when I get back. Looking for heat in my new shop David Nimigon Alberta 601XL 1% Done In the process of moving ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barth" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth > > Hey Tony. > I can't comment on how well this will work but there is a "Mr. Heater" > 35,000 btu forced air propane heater in the Princess Auto catalogue that > just came out for $135 CDN. Thought you might want to look into it is > there is a Princess Auto in your neck of the woods. > David > > do not archive > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org > > --------------------------------- > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:20 PM PST US From: "Dirk Slabbert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" Wish you could shift some of that cold this way! yesterday was 35C here in my workshop already, and summer is only starting. Regards, Dirk Piketberg South Africa ( tail & right wing done, starting on left.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Johann G. To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." Hello list members. I just have to comment on your ways to heat up your workshop. Up here in Iceland, we do not have this problem. All or most of our houses are heated with geo-thermo heating. All year round, our houses have the same heat. Around 20C or 68F. No oil, coal, or other heat sources to waste, just hot water from the ground. I know this is not kind to brag about this, but we have to have something to brag about, we can not always have the nice weather you guys are having to fly. :-) Too much wind and rain during the winter time. Hope you find a good way to heat up your workshop. Happy building, Johann G. Iceland. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Workshop heating > --> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net > > I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for 8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though. > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > In phase I testing. > do not archive > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > > > Hi guys. > > > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee > > from freezing. > > > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm > > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about > > kerosene? > > > > > > ****************************************************** > > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > > Voice: 905.852.3848 > > http://www.luxuria.com > > > > I used a wick type kerosene heater in my workshop. It does put out some smoke when you first light it up but then settles down and puts out a bunch of heat for 8 to 10 hours before you have to refill it. You don't want to use in an air tight space though, you should crack open some windows or vents to circulate the air. The same thing goes for any fuel burning heater though. > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > In phase I testing. > do not archive > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > -- Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Bonsell > > Hi guys. > > It's getting cold. I need to heat my workshop. Just enough to keep my coffee > from freezing. > > Easiest would be a propane rosebud on a tank, but how clean is it? I'm > really paranoid about carbon monoxide. How are you guys doing it? What about > kerosene? > > > ****************************************************** > Tony Bonsell (tbonsell@luxuria.com) CI-FKF > Luxuria + Apparatus Design Communications > 535 Cragg Road, RR #3 > Uxbridge, Ontario L9P 1R3 > Voice: 905.852.3848 > http://www.luxuria.com > >