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1. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Don Gordon's first flight (Monty Graves)
2. 05:09 AM - riveting fuse (The Minearts)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: riveting fuse (Al Young)
4. 05:49 AM - panel design (Phil Raker)
5. 05:53 AM - Re: Panel Design - suggestions welcome (Peter Mather)
6. 06:15 AM - Re: riveting fuse (Scott Laughlin)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/04 (Grant Corriveau)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: panel design (Alejandro Roca)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Feeling like a kid (David Barth)
10. 09:10 AM - Fw: 601 gear conversion (David Barth)
11. 09:14 AM - Re: Spring Gear for 601HDS (David Barth)
12. 09:21 AM - Re: panel design (Lance Gingell)
13. 09:50 AM - Re: Panel Design - suggestions welcome (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
14. 09:54 AM - Re: panel design (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
15. 10:32 AM - Re: panel design (Lance Gingell)
16. 02:08 PM - 701 upper strut fitting torque ()
17. 05:11 PM - 601XL wing tank weight? (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
18. 05:29 PM - Re: 601XL wing tank weight? (Ray Montagne)
19. 05:41 PM - Re: 601XL wing tank weight? (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
20. 06:51 PM - Autopilot (was: Panel Design - suggestions welcome) (Michel Therrien)
21. 07:39 PM - Re: Arm Rest 601XL (Dave & Darlene)
22. 09:36 PM - Re: riveting fuse (nhulin)
23. 09:54 PM - Re: 601XL wing tank weight? (Ray Montagne)
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| Subject: | Re: Don Gordon's first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Congradulations Don.
You must have one of the fastest CH701's EVER built. Darn thing is SOOOO
fast it has leaped Don ahead in time by two months!!!!!!
I WANT ONE OF THOSE ENGINE PROP COMBOS
That or Don is so excited he forgot what month it is..... Heck I wouldn't
know, maybe it is DEC in OZ.
Just funning with you Don. WAY TO GO
Monty
Wishing I could find time to work on mine, and get so excited I could
forget which month it was too..... :-)
At 06:53 PM 10/4/04 +1000, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jo & Don Gordon"
<djgordon@bigpond.net.au>
>
>
>Hi fellow builder,
>it has finally happened after 3 years of tweeking bending filling sanding
>3 dec 2004 my CH701 reg 19-4110 flew for the firt time
>WHAT A BUZZ FANTASTIC
>the plane is so easy to fly and stable on the ground
>still getting over the feeling
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
I've got a question about sequencing on building the fuselage, seems the manual
leaves much to one's judgement by this stage. I'm to the point of starting on
the seat panels, baggage shelf area. would it be OK to rivet the cabin floor
assembly, and harvest clecos from there, or should I buy more clecos?
Steve, 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: riveting fuse |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Steve- I would see no problem in harvesting clecoes from the rear side skins
and bottom rear longeren. However, make sure you leave a no rivet zone for
the steps behind the wing area. When in doubt, I'd buy more clecoes. Al
Young 601XL- Fitting landing gear.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Hello, Alex,
As several have already said, that is a VERY NICE looking panel. Thanks
for sharing the pix with us.
I'm curious why, if you plan to add the GRT AHRS computer later... Why not
do it now, put the EFIS display right in front of you and leave out the six
"steam gauges" that are there in the photo? I'm finding, as I plan my own
panel, that the EFIS is less expensive than the several gyros that it replaces.
That's true whether you use the GRT, the Blue Mountain EFIS Lite, or the Dynon
D-10A.
That brings us back to the question of why did you chose the GRT EFIS
rather than the Blue Mountain or the Dynon? It seems to be in the middle as
far as cost is concerned, and has greater functionality than Dynon, similar to
B-M.
Did you build and wire your own panel, or have a professional avionics
shop do it?
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
Lance
Yes. That is the Grand Rapids EFIS. I had originally planned to only have
a GPS mounted on the instrument panel (Garmin 196). After buying it and
actually
building a panel mount, I decided it was just too small (way too much
information
for such a small screen). Don't get me wrong, it's a great product but
I feel that it forces you to focus all your attention onto a very small area
(you
need to have it either on your lap or hold it close enough to read) taking
away from your primary function, so mounting it on the instrument panel itself
was not a very practical ideas. Then I decided to get the multifunctional
display
from Grand rapids (engine monitoring and moving map). I have connected the
196 with it and it works great. I plan to purchase the AHRS computer next year.
I really enjoy the size and simplicity of the screen layouts. Even though
it's
a fairly new product, Grand Rapids has made many improvements and upgrades.
I am not IFR certified and I don't fully understand it's full functionality
but I figured it's something I will need in the future. Grand rapids is already
adding the capability of displaying traffic and also plans to add weather too.
Alex Roca
601 XL - Jabiru 3300
On Monday, October 04, 2004, at 06:38PM, Lance Gingell
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
>Alex,
>
>Is that the Grand Rapids EFIS in your panel? How do you like it (on the
>ground I guess) so far? I've been wondering whether to go Grand
>Rapids/Blue Mountain (lite) /Dynon. Did you get the internal GPS option?
>
>All: These panel picture postings in this thread are great. The more the
>merrier!
>
>..lance
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Design - suggestions welcome |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
Howard
I'm out of the UK at the moment but will do a detailed cost make-up when I return.
The power panel uses breakers and is available from aircraft spruce. The manufacturers
web site is:
http://www.compositedesigninc.com/Mini_Power.htm
Thanks to all others who replied - yes I know its over-engineered :-)
Actually, the only expensive bits that I haven't already got are the
Transponder (mode S mandatory in the UK for all aircraft from 2007)
Dynon - still wondering whether to substitute a conventional AI/DI but when you
add up the price of the vaccuum system or electric versions there isn't much
saving.
Autopilot - definitely a nice to have but I do want to do some long distances.
Best regards
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: howado <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel Design - suggestions welcome
--> Zenith-List message posted by: howado <howado@cwia.com>
Peter,
do you have a cost estimate for your panel instruments?
Does the Power Distribution unit use circuit breakers?
Howard Carter
Peter Mather wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
>
> I'm just getting some building work done on the house to create space
> before ordering an XL. In the mean time much plotting and planning :-)
>
> I've got some avionics from previous aircraft that I've upgraded and have
> been looking at trying to get a sensible cost/functionality balance on new
> kit to buy.
>
> My current panel design is shown on:
> http://www.airplane.org.uk/zenith_zodiac_601xl.htm
>
> I would welcome any comments on what you like, what you don't and any issues
> with practicality.
>
> Still haven't chosen between the Jabiru and Rotax but leaning towards the
> Jabiru.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Steve:
That's exactly what I have done. Everything in front of the gear channel is
riveted. I even riveted the side, front skins. The only thing I would do
different is to not rivet the aft gear upright because it was difficult to
install the seatbelt attachment. I didn't rivet the entire front, side skin
- just from the aft gear upright forward. This allows me to open up the
skin and work on the seatbacks. See photos on my website for further
clarification. The photos are in reverse chronological order.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: riveting fuse
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
I've got a question about sequencing on building the fuselage, seems the
manual leaves much to one's judgement by this stage. I'm to the point of
starting on the seat panels, baggage shelf area. would it be OK to rivet
the cabin floor assembly, and harvest clecos from there, or should I buy
more clecos?
Steve, 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> I feel like a little kid to who we give a long-awaited
> for present.
>
> Michel
Hey Michel,
You're going to enjoy this even more than that! 'Relax' and enjoy the
flight... yeah -- right!!!
congrats,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: panel design |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
Phil
Thank you. I do have to agree with Jeff's comments. "the panel is an intensely
personal connection to your a/c" so what may seem logical for me may not be
for others. But for whatever it's worth, I wanted redundancy built in my panel(EFIS
and vacuum). I decided on GRT given the modular installation and size of
screen and functionality. Dynon seemed to me to be too small and did not have
the functionality that GRT offers. As far as B-M, I hate to say it but I just
did not like he looks and the $. As far as the AHRS computer... $$ is the constraint
so I have pre-wired the display and the magnetometers so that once I
do have the computer, I can just "plug and play". Currently I have the engine
instruments and moving map only. I did all the wiring myself (just have to be
very patient, do a system at a time, test and go to the next).
The one item I do suggest for builders to do, if you are planning for an "intense
panel" is to add sub panels.. you will appreciate the extra space.
On Tuesday, October 05, 2004, at 08:00AM, Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello, Alex,
> As several have already said, that is a VERY NICE looking panel. Thanks
>for sharing the pix with us.
> I'm curious why, if you plan to add the GRT AHRS computer later... Why not
>do it now, put the EFIS display right in front of you and leave out the six
>"steam gauges" that are there in the photo? I'm finding, as I plan my own
>panel, that the EFIS is less expensive than the several gyros that it replaces.
> That's true whether you use the GRT, the Blue Mountain EFIS Lite, or the Dynon
>D-10A.
> That brings us back to the question of why did you chose the GRT EFIS
>rather than the Blue Mountain or the Dynon? It seems to be in the middle as
>far as cost is concerned, and has greater functionality than Dynon, similar to
>B-M.
> Did you build and wire your own panel, or have a professional avionics
>shop do it?
>
>Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
>
>
>Lance
>
> Yes. That is the Grand Rapids EFIS. I had originally planned to only have
>a GPS mounted on the instrument panel (Garmin 196). After buying it and
>actually
>building a panel mount, I decided it was just too small (way too much
>information
>for such a small screen). Don't get me wrong, it's a great product but
>I feel that it forces you to focus all your attention onto a very small area
>(you
>need to have it either on your lap or hold it close enough to read) taking
>away from your primary function, so mounting it on the instrument panel itself
>was not a very practical ideas. Then I decided to get the multifunctional
>display
>from Grand rapids (engine monitoring and moving map). I have connected the
>196 with it and it works great. I plan to purchase the AHRS computer next year.
>
> I really enjoy the size and simplicity of the screen layouts. Even though
>it's
>a fairly new product, Grand Rapids has made many improvements and upgrades.
>I am not IFR certified and I don't fully understand it's full functionality
>but I figured it's something I will need in the future. Grand rapids is already
>adding the capability of displaying traffic and also plans to add weather too.
>
>
>Alex Roca
>601 XL - Jabiru 3300
>
>
>
>
>
>On Monday, October 04, 2004, at 06:38PM, Lance Gingell
><lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>>
>>Alex,
>>
>>Is that the Grand Rapids EFIS in your panel? How do you like it (on the
>>ground I guess) so far? I've been wondering whether to go Grand
>>Rapids/Blue Mountain (lite) /Dynon. Did you get the internal GPS option?
>>
>>All: These panel picture postings in this thread are great. The more the
>>merrier!
>>
>>..lance
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Feeling like a kid |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Dear "Feeling like a kid"
Congratulations and have fun with the lessons. I am certain it will be well worth
the wait.
David
Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com> wrote:
I feel like a little kid to who we give a long-awaited
for present.
Michel
do not archive
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Fwd: 601 gear conversion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I received this but believe it was intended for the entire list.
David
Aaron <agustafson@chartermi.net> wrote:
From: "Aaron"
Subject: 601 gear conversion
601 HD/HDS builders
I am one of those that has put spring gear on my 601 HD tail dragger. Maybe the
only one on a TD(as of
3 OCT 04) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/Landgear.jpg
I did not get (didn't ask) approval from Chris Heinz, so I don't want to cause
any trouble, however I am willing to provide the info that I have and how I did
it on my plane. I am very satisfied with how it turned out on my plane.
Since more & more folks are asking for this info, I have put together a list of
pics & a general description to be accessed by anyone who asks.
I don't know the weight difference but the Grove gear is 4.5" wide 2024 treated
to T6 compared to the, I think, 8" wide 6061 XL plans gear. And one other thing
you probably can't do is gun drill the brake lines.
There were a few changes that I made as I built the center section and lower fuselage
that I would still suggest. Simple ones just to support the gear mount
brackets.
Since mine was the first standard Grove installation, they did not have the patterns. I simply talked to Robbie Grove and from his information it was a easy task to fabricate brackets from 1 1/2 x 1" 6061 which I obtained from OnlineMetals.com. http://www.onlinemetals.com/how.cfm http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/eGearmntinstd.jpg The brackets are actually mounted outboard of the lower longerons and the right parallel w/ the left (the longerons are closer together in front than back) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/emountbrktjpg.jpg
The main mods I made were to strengthen the heel support as this is where the forward load is and all of the braking forces. I sized it up one thickness and added a doubler angle to the read channel angle. I also increased the size of the gusset to the vertical member and changed it from an angle to a channel. The rear load is easily carried by the spar. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/2bolting.jpg
Again, I say that I am completely satisfied w/ my gear installation and would be
happy to talk to anyone thinking about or planning a Grove gear installation.
2 OCT 4
Aaron
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: Spring Gear for 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hi Gary
For a start I would suggest you contact Aaron at agustafson@chartermi.net and then
maybe get more contact info from him. When you have better contact info than
I do - and that shouldn't be long - please send it to me and I will put it
on the ch601.org website..
David
"Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe"
Hi David,
Thanks for the quick response. I saw that websight link but couldn't figure
out who to contact about progress, testing to date, etc. Zenith has told me
that spring gear is not an option for the HDS, and if that's what I want I
need to consider changing to the XL. I am encouraged by the images on your
sight. Please tell me how to get more info as I would like to continue with
the HDS.
Gary Boothe
WW Corvair Power - 601
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barth"
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spring Gear for 601HDS
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Did you see the Blue Mountain EFIS Lite "G3" is now $2795 (I think it
was over $4k in the past). I noticed this at OSH. They are definitely
positioning it at Dynon. Apparently it has "highway in the sky" now too.
Very tempting...
The demo I had of the Grand Rapids showed the best user interface in the
config and menus, but it is now quite a bit more costly that the other
two.
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Raker
Subject: Zenith-List: panel design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Hello, Alex,
As several have already said, that is a VERY NICE looking panel.
Thanks for sharing the pix with us.
I'm curious why, if you plan to add the GRT AHRS computer later...
Why not do it now, put the EFIS display right in front of you and leave
out the six "steam gauges" that are there in the photo? I'm finding, as
I plan my own panel, that the EFIS is less expensive than the several
gyros that it replaces.
That's true whether you use the GRT, the Blue Mountain EFIS Lite, or
the Dynon D-10A.
That brings us back to the question of why did you chose the GRT
EFIS rather than the Blue Mountain or the Dynon? It seems to be in the
middle as far as cost is concerned, and has greater functionality than
Dynon, similar to B-M.
Did you build and wire your own panel, or have a professional
avionics shop do it?
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
Lance
Yes. That is the Grand Rapids EFIS. I had originally planned to
only have a GPS mounted on the instrument panel (Garmin 196). After
buying it and actually building a panel mount, I decided it was just too
small (way too much information for such a small screen). Don't get me
wrong, it's a great product but I feel that it forces you to focus all
your attention onto a very small area (you need to have it either on
your lap or hold it close enough to read) taking away from your primary
function, so mounting it on the instrument panel itself was not a very
practical ideas. Then I decided to get the multifunctional display from
Grand rapids (engine monitoring and moving map). I have connected the
196 with it and it works great. I plan to purchase the AHRS computer
next year.
I really enjoy the size and simplicity of the screen layouts. Even
though it's a fairly new product, Grand Rapids has made many
improvements and upgrades.
I am not IFR certified and I don't fully understand it's full
functionality but I figured it's something I will need in the future.
Grand rapids is already adding the capability of displaying traffic and
also plans to add weather too.
Alex Roca
601 XL - Jabiru 3300
On Monday, October 04, 2004, at 06:38PM, Lance Gingell
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
>Alex,
>
>Is that the Grand Rapids EFIS in your panel? How do you like it (on the
>ground I guess) so far? I've been wondering whether to go Grand
>Rapids/Blue Mountain (lite) /Dynon. Did you get the internal GPS
option?
>
>All: These panel picture postings in this thread are great. The more
the
>merrier!
>
>..lance
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Panel Design - suggestions welcome |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hi Peter,
I know this is banging the same drum but I wonder how much time you have
in a 601?...Yes it is over engineered but its your plane and if this is
what you really want then go for it. Having said that this panel is way
way overkill for this plane. I have close to 350 hours in my 601 and I
can tell you that I would not have used anywhere near what you are
planning in that time.
I am about to start on a full IFR RV7 and your panel looks like what I'm
planning.
The 601 is a fun 110 mph VFR toy, attitude indicators, multi function
GPS's are really a waste of money in the A/C...I would save the weight
for the fun control response if I were you. Your not thinking of taking
a 601 IFR are you?...Sacry thought
The only thing I wish I had (and If I was going to keep the plane I
would fit one) is the Trutrack autopilot....They are superb and the
nervous handling of the 601 makes cross country pretty hard work in
comparison to say a C172 "skydog"...Ha I love that!
The A/P will then replace any need you might have for an attitude
indicator...in other words Upside down in IFR, engage the A/P and it
will level right side up rock solid. You can even use your handheld GPS
to tell the A/P to take you to your destination. with your 2 axis A/P
you could then tune into ATC of VFR flight following and read a book if
you wanted!...just kidding.
Its up to you but I really think it's a waste of a LOT of money.
Frank
HDS stratus with Ram heads 344 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Mather
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel Design - suggestions welcome
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
Howard
I'm out of the UK at the moment but will do a detailed cost make-up when
I return. The power panel uses breakers and is available from aircraft
spruce. The manufacturers web site is:
http://www.compositedesigninc.com/Mini_Power.htm
Thanks to all others who replied - yes I know its over-engineered :-)
Actually, the only expensive bits that I haven't already got are the
Transponder (mode S mandatory in the UK for all aircraft from 2007)
Dynon - still wondering whether to substitute a conventional AI/DI but
when you add up the price of the vaccuum system or electric versions
there isn't much saving. Autopilot - definitely a nice to have but I do
want to do some long distances.
Best regards
Peter
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From: howado <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Panel Design - suggestions welcome
--> Zenith-List message posted by: howado <howado@cwia.com>
Peter,
do you have a cost estimate for your panel instruments?
Does the Power Distribution unit use circuit breakers?
Howard Carter
Peter Mather wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
>
> I'm just getting some building work done on the house to create space
> before ordering an XL. In the mean time much plotting and planning :-)
>
> I've got some avionics from previous aircraft that I've upgraded and
> have
> been looking at trying to get a sensible cost/functionality balance on
new
> kit to buy.
>
> My current panel design is shown on:
> http://www.airplane.org.uk/zenith_zodiac_601xl.htm
>
> I would welcome any comments on what you like, what you don't and any
> issues
> with practicality.
>
> Still haven't chosen between the Jabiru and Rotax but leaning towards
> the
> Jabiru.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes, you can even use it to do IFR approaches, very nice...But not in a
601!....:)...Buy a Truetrack instead.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance
Gingell
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: panel design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
--> <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Did you see the Blue Mountain EFIS Lite "G3" is now $2795 (I think it
was over $4k in the past). I noticed this at OSH. They are definitely
positioning it at Dynon. Apparently it has "highway in the sky" now too.
Very tempting...
The demo I had of the Grand Rapids showed the best user interface in the
config and menus, but it is now quite a bit more costly that the other
two.
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Raker
Subject: Zenith-List: panel design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Hello, Alex,
As several have already said, that is a VERY NICE looking panel.
Thanks for sharing the pix with us.
I'm curious why, if you plan to add the GRT AHRS computer later...
Why not do it now, put the EFIS display right in front of you and leave
out the six "steam gauges" that are there in the photo? I'm finding, as
I plan my own panel, that the EFIS is less expensive than the several
gyros that it replaces. That's true whether you use the GRT, the Blue
Mountain EFIS Lite, or the Dynon D-10A.
That brings us back to the question of why did you chose the GRT
EFIS rather than the Blue Mountain or the Dynon? It seems to be in the
middle as far as cost is concerned, and has greater functionality than
Dynon, similar to B-M.
Did you build and wire your own panel, or have a professional
avionics shop do it?
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
Lance
Yes. That is the Grand Rapids EFIS. I had originally planned to
only have a GPS mounted on the instrument panel (Garmin 196). After
buying it and actually building a panel mount, I decided it was just too
small (way too much information for such a small screen). Don't get me
wrong, it's a great product but I feel that it forces you to focus all
your attention onto a very small area (you need to have it either on
your lap or hold it close enough to read) taking away from your primary
function, so mounting it on the instrument panel itself was not a very
practical ideas. Then I decided to get the multifunctional display from
Grand rapids (engine monitoring and moving map). I have connected the
196 with it and it works great. I plan to purchase the AHRS computer
next year.
I really enjoy the size and simplicity of the screen layouts. Even
though it's a fairly new product, Grand Rapids has made many
improvements and upgrades. I am not IFR certified and I don't fully
understand it's full functionality but I figured it's something I will
need in the future. Grand rapids is already adding the capability of
displaying traffic and also plans to add weather too.
Alex Roca
601 XL - Jabiru 3300
On Monday, October 04, 2004, at 06:38PM, Lance Gingell
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
>Alex,
>
>Is that the Grand Rapids EFIS in your panel? How do you like it (on the
>ground I guess) so far? I've been wondering whether to go Grand
>Rapids/Blue Mountain (lite) /Dynon. Did you get the internal GPS
option?
>
>All: These panel picture postings in this thread are great. The more
the
>merrier!
>
>..lance
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Do you know if you can have the vernier as well as a right seat throttle
of some kind? I like the vernier's but I'd like the throttle to be
accessible to a right-seater too..
..lance
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alejandro
Roca
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: panel design
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
Lance
Yes. I have the FWF kit from Jabiru (the new and upgraded). I must say
that I am very happy with it. I went with the Vernier throttle option
on the left sub-panel and I put the cabin heat in the right sub-panel.
On Monday, October 04, 2004, at 06:38PM, Lance Gingell
<lgingell@matrix-logic.com> wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell"
>--> <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>
>More questions for you Alex...
>
>Is that the Jabiru FWF kit you have? Or the older Zenith one?
>
>I see a throttle on the left, is that a vernier? And is the one on the
>right a throttle too?
>
>Cheers,
>..lance
>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alejandro
>Roca
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: panel design
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Alejandro Roca <alex_roca@mac.com>
>
>Steve
>
> One thing you might want to consider is building a couple of
>sub-panels. I had planned in the early stages to use up all the
>instrument panel space, but then realized that things were not
>logistically in the right place. This forced me to build a couple of
>sub-panels. If you are not too big in size you will appreciate the
>extra panel space. I ended putting the air vents, throttle, cabin heat
>and flap switch on these panels. See pics at:
>
>http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=Alex_Roca&action=display
>&
>private=&
>
>If you can't get to it through this hyperlink, go to Zenith's builders
>database (Texas) and look for me
>
>
>Alex Roca
>601 XL - Jabiru 3300
>90% complete and 90% to go !
>
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| Subject: | 701 upper strut fitting torque |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <petes15515@msn.com>
What torque are folks using for the three AN#-5A bolts/nuts which attach
the front upper strut fitting to the strut angle / spar ? Does it matter as
long as they are tight ?
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| Subject: | 601XL wing tank weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
I'm considering adding the extra long range tanks, which I believe are
essentially same as the standard wing tanks and should weigh about the same. Anyone
know what one of the 10 gal. tanks weighs? I figure I can estimate the weight
of additional plumbing etc., but wanted to get and idea of how much additional
weight the extra tanks would add..
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing tank weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 10/5/04 5:10 PM, "Ozarkseller2@aol.com" <Ozarkseller2@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
> I'm considering adding the extra long range tanks, which I believe are
> essentially same as the standard wing tanks and should weigh about the same.
> Anyone
> know what one of the 10 gal. tanks weighs? I figure I can estimate the weight
> of additional plumbing etc., but wanted to get and idea of how much additional
> weight the extra tanks would add..
>
The significant weight will be with the tank full and the fuel component of
that weight will be 60 lbs at 10 gallons.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing tank weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/2004 7:29:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
ac6qj@earthlink.net writes:
> >I'm considering adding the extra long range tanks, which I believe are
> >essentially same as the standard wing tanks and should weigh about the
> same.
> >Anyone
> >know what one of the 10 gal. tanks weighs? I figure I can estimate the
> weight
> >of additional plumbing etc., but wanted to get and idea of how much
> additional
> >weight the extra tanks would add..
> >
>
> The significant weight will be with the tank full and the fuel component of
> that weight will be 60 lbs at 10 gallons.
Obviously no help here. Anyone else?
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| Subject: | Panel Design - suggestions welcome) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I had a very fun time today with my two first training
flights. During the first flight, I showed my Navaid
to my instructor, hoping to impress him I suppose. He
did not like the feeling of having a machine driving
the plane for him....
I suggested that this could be useful if busy while
reading a map for example. He showed me to control
the plane with rudder only, both hands free. euh...
OK.... may be I bought this for nothing... after all,
now that I discover flying, I feel that it is a waste
to give this fun to an electro-mechanic device.
I think I'll consider selling my Navaid shortly... (it
ran only for 10 minutes so far!).
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Arm Rest 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi Scott.
Just a quick question on your jig. Do you plan on leaving the mdf in place
or remove it after you've layed it all out. It seems to add extra weight to
leave it in or am I mising something.
Dave (Alberta)
XL
99% to go
In process of moving homes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Arm Rest 601XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Fellow XL builders:
>
> This weekend I had plans to fabricate and install the arm rest and move on
> to some other fuselage construction. I found out the arm rest is a fairly
> difficult installation and took most of my weekend work time. The plans
> and
> assembly manual are very brief on this item. I saw no way to make sure
> the
> thing was true and square if I just installed the parts according to the
> manual.
>
> I used my table saw to make a true and square jig and built the armrest
> around this. I drilled right into the wood and installed the clecos into
> the wood jig. The jig is made from scrap pressboard shelving. MDF would
> have worked, but I used what I had. My table saw allowed me to make sure
> the
> top was square with the bottom and the width was the same for the top and
> bottom. The rear angle was "tweaked" for an exact fit in my airplane.
>
> Here's a photo of the jig:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_2_04_CenterJig.jpg
>
> And a day later, here it is with everything cleco'd in place:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_3_04_CenterJig.jpg
>
> Another advantage to having the jig is that you can drill the first few
> holes in the "L" angles, then lift the whole thing out, lay it on the
> workbench and drill the remaining holes nice and straight. The first few
> have to be angled to fit in tight areas. Same with the holes down into
> the
> fuselage -just lift out the jig and leave the L-angles in place and drill
> straight down.
>
> I am making this post in hopes that it will help someone trying to decide
> how to install this part. I lost at least an hour trying to decide if I
> needed a jig or not. The manual just shows photos of the L-angles being
> installed, then attaching the armrest. Easier said than done.
>
> The scary thing is that I only have three or four fuselage drawings to
> de-cipher for my project.
>
> Good luck and happy building,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: riveting fuse |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Steve,
Don't rivet the rear side skins forward of B4 until after you have installed
the baggage shelf and riveted the shelf stiffeners. It makes it so much
easier to do.
..neil
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL wing tank weight? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 10/5/04 5:41 PM, "Ozarkseller2@aol.com" <Ozarkseller2@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
>
> Obviously no help here. Anyone else?
>
>
Sorry but - 10 gallons is not the standard size of the XL tanks. They are
12 gallons. Your best bet is going to be to calculate the surface area and
then use common tables (available in aircraft spruce catalog among other
places) to calculate the the weight based on the thickness and type of alloy
used. That is going to get you more than close enough to what you're
looking for. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes either...
Best of luck.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
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