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1. 12:04 AM - Re: 601 defroster (Benford2@aol.com)
2. 12:34 AM - Fuel selector location (Dr. Perry Morrison)
3. 03:17 AM - 601XL wing tank weight, or weights? (caspainhower@aep.com)
4. 04:36 AM - Re: Fuel selector location (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
5. 05:38 AM - O-200 in 701? (Dirk Slabbert)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: O-200 in 701? (LRM)
7. 08:01 AM - Re: Fuel selector location (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 08:12 AM - Re: O-200 in 701? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 09:14 AM - Re: O-200 in 701? (Steve Dixon)
10. 10:14 AM - Re: Autopilot (short story, well not to long) (Gary Gower)
11. 11:08 AM - Re: O-200 in 701? (Don Walker)
12. 11:26 AM - Re: O-200 in 701? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 11:28 AM - Copying rivets pattern (Carlos Sa)
14. 11:45 AM - Re: Copying rivets pattern (Scott Laughlin)
15. 12:28 PM - Re: Copying rivets pattern (Carlos Sa)
16. 12:40 PM - Re: Copying rivets pattern (Scott Laughlin)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: O-200 in 701? (Larry McFarland)
18. 01:27 PM - Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru (Andrew SanClemente)
19. 02:56 PM - Re: Autopilot (short story, well not to long) (Michel Therrien)
20. 03:19 PM - Re: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru (Larry McFarland)
21. 03:31 PM - Airspeed markings (Michel Therrien)
22. 04:05 PM - (royt.or@netzero.com)
23. 04:43 PM - Re: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru (Andrew SanClemente)
24. 04:52 PM - 601 defroster (caspainhower@aep.com)
25. 06:20 PM - Re: 601 defroster (The Meiste's)
26. 06:28 PM - Re: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru (Larry McFarland)
27. 06:56 PM - Re: Copying rivets pattern (Michel Therrien)
28. 07:06 PM - Re: Airspeed markings (Ray Montagne)
29. 07:13 PM - Re: Airspeed markings (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 defroster |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 10/6/2004 7:05:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
dougmattson@isp.com writes:
>
> A question for 601 drivers, is a defroster necessary?
>
> Doug Mattson
>
> 601 XL cam100
It is in my 801 but here in Jackson Hole it has already snowed this year and
lows in the twenties every mornin. A defroster couldn't hurt.
Ben Haas N801BH Jackson Hole Wy do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel selector location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" <perrymorrison@yahoo.com>
Just looking for ideas/comments. I'm keen to run my fuel lines from my wing tanks
to a Y selector located on a console underneath the instrument panel. This would
mean routing the fuel lines along the front of the seat and up the console to the
the
Y selector and then back down to the floor/firewall where I have a facet pump
and gascolator (I will have wing tank pumps too).
I'm concerned that that parabola of fuel line looping up to the panel and
down to the floor could be an air trap over time.
Comments?
__________________________
Dr. Perry Morrison
Morrison Associates Pty Ltd
0408892638
perrymorrison@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | 601XL wing tank weight, or weights? |
|July 24, 2002) at 10/07/2004 06:16:12 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
That was total for both. With the tanks at ~5 lbs each that would be about
right. I think they'll come in handy on long solo x-country flights.
>15 pounds each, or for the pair?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel selector location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
The wing tank pumps will push fuel through the system even if air gets in the high
point of the lines. The air may get pushed into the inlet of the floor mounted
pump but the pressure from the wing pump will quickly push it on through
and eventually the air will get vented from the carburetor bowl. Any air in the
fuel line will be saturated with fuel vapor so even if it gets injected into
the cylinder it shouldn't cause any problem. The thing you need to worry about
is having water settle out in the low points of your fuel system. You should
have a fitting installed at any local low point in the fuel system so you can
drain water from the system during pre-flight.
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
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-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison"
>
> Just looking for ideas/comments. I'm keen to run my fuel lines from my wing
tanks
> to a Y selector located on a console underneath the instrument panel. This would
> mean routing the fuel lines along the front of the seat and up the console to
the
> Y selector and then back down to the floor/firewall where I have a facet pump
> and gascolator (I will have wing tank pumps too).
>
> I'm concerned that that parabola of fuel line looping up to the panel and
> down to the floor could be an air trap over time.
>
The wing tank pumps will push fuel through the system even if air gets in the high
point of the lines. The air may get pushed into the inlet of the floor mounted
pump but the pressure from the wing pump will quickly push it on through
and eventually the air will get vented from the carburetor bowl. Any air in the
fuel line will be saturated with fuel vapor so even if it gets injected into
the cylinder it shouldn't cause any problem. The thing you need to worry about
is havingwater settle out in the low points of your fuel system. You should
have a fitting installed at any local low point in the fuel system so you can
drain water from the system during pre-flight.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
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-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison"
Just looking for ideas/comments. I'm keen to run my fuel lines from my wing tanks
to a Y selector located on a console underneath the instrument panel. This would
mean routing the fuel lines along the front of the seat and up the console to
the
Y selector and then back down to the floor/firewall where I have a facet pump
and gascolator (I will have wing tank pumps too).
I'm concerned that that parabola of fuel line looping up to the panel and
down to the floor could be an air trap over time.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Mornin list,
Does anyone know if this engine will work in 701? installations perhaps ?
Thanks,
Dirk.
701 (Tail done, working on the 2nd wing.)
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| Subject: | Re: O-200 in 701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@isp.com>
There is a guy in Searcy, Arkansas who has a 0-200 in his 701. He had it
for sale for $34K. His first name is Elmo. That's all I know, I looked at
it last year and was underwelmed. The craftsmanship and paint just wasn't
up to what I wanted. I'm sure Zenith would know, ask them to check their
builders list for anyone in Searcy. If you can't find him through Zenith,
e-mail me I have a friend in Searcy who knows him. Larry N1345L
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From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Mornin list,
> Does anyone know if this engine will work in 701? installations perhaps ?
> Thanks,
> Dirk.
>
> 701 (Tail done, working on the 2nd wing.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel selector location |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I think your going to have the same problem that Andrew saw...I.e way
too high fuel pressre with essentially two Facets in series (I'm
assuming here you do not have a header tank). Secondly if you think
about it, that selector valve is redundant to the fact you have your
wing tank pumps at the discharge of each tank (at least I hope you do).
So now in order to change tanks you have to.
1) Turn on both pumps
2) Switch the selector
3) Turn off the unused pump
Why bother with having the selector?....Just switch the pumps to change
tanks and you don't need it and all your plumbing problems go away. Also
the third pump is unecessary (two layers of redundancy) and will jack
the fuel pressure way high. Not a problem if its dumping into the header
tank but directly to the carbs is a bit much.
All of this is relavent if you do not have an engine driven pump...If
you do personally I would remove that too...In reality it seems most
Rotax folk have not had a problem thus far though
Frank
HDS Stratuss with Ram heads 344 hours
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Perry
Morrison
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel selector location
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison"
--> <perrymorrison@yahoo.com>
Just looking for ideas/comments. I'm keen to run my fuel lines from my
wing tanks
to a Y selector located on a console underneath the instrument panel.
This would
mean routing the fuel lines along the front of the seat and up the
console to the the
Y selector and then back down to the floor/firewall where I have a facet
pump
and gascolator (I will have wing tank pumps too).
I'm concerned that that parabola of fuel line looping up to the panel
and
down to the floor could be an air trap over time.
Comments?
__________________________
Dr. Perry Morrison
Morrison Associates Pty Ltd
0408892638
perrymorrison@yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
34K!?????...So like do 701's bring in this kind of money?....My 601HDS
with superb workmanship (cus I say so) I was told is worth nowhere near
that!
He says thinking about selling mine in about a year from now...Comments?
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@isp.com>
There is a guy in Searcy, Arkansas who has a 0-200 in his 701. He had
it for sale for $34K. His first name is Elmo. That's all I know, I
looked at it last year and was underwelmed. The craftsmanship and paint
just wasn't
up to what I wanted. I'm sure Zenith would know, ask them to check
their
builders list for anyone in Searcy. If you can't find him through
Zenith,
e-mail me I have a friend in Searcy who knows him. Larry N1345L
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From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Mornin list,
> Does anyone know if this engine will work in 701? installations
> perhaps ? Thanks, Dirk.
>
> 701 (Tail done, working on the 2nd wing.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-200 in 701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Dixon" <dix39@charter.net>
Another opinion, just keep in mind what they say about opinions while
reading it. ;-)
I saw a 0-200 powered 701 sell for between 24K and 25K on ebay a while back,
as well as I remember. To me this seemed about right. That's the engine I
plan to use on my 701, if I ever find time to work on it. The 0-200 is
heavier than the Rotax or Jab, it's in the Corvair or Subie ballpark for
weight at about 220-240#. I liked it because of it's simplicity and proven
reliability. The 0-200 price seems to be in the ballpark, or a little lower
than, the Rotax 912s, with occasional bargains to be found.
Good luck.
Steve Dixon
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot (short story, well not to long) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Michel,
We have one installed in our 701, already finished (just waiting for
the temporary flight test permit) hope to flight test will be this week
end...
I am told the Navaid is great in turbulence, instead of fighting and
bouncing all around, just keep the speed low (at manouver speed) and
the autopilot will go trough very easy (a friend with one in a Kitfox
told me).
Happened last year, also in raining season:
Here we have mountains and valleys all around. In a X Country trip down
to the Pacific coast, we started very early, with only the day clarity.
When we went to the next valley, in fact a 4-5 miles wide 30 miles long
canyon, we had to do a left turn follow the Ameca River valley, our
altitude was 6,000 ft ASL and we were about 2,000 ft below the top the
hills, we had about 8 minutes flying inside this valley heading
Northwest, the sun was just comming over the eastern side mountains,
day light was normal, just in a sudden the light morning mist beguin to
build up, then converted to real heavy fog, in about 3 minutes we were
in IFR conditions, I was flying a trike but the other pilot was in his
Kitfox, our only chances were to climb straight in the same exact
heading about 3,000 ft to get over the clouds or the hills, what ever
was first. Or go low below looking for the base of the clouds???
Scarry... if the fog was all the way down to the floor, we decided to
climb.
With the trike is less of a problem because is inherent stable, but the
guy in the Kitfox would be in big trouble if he didnt had his Navaid
installed, he said it saved his life, just kept his climb speed and
kept the heading with the rudder. This event lasted a few minutes, but
was lots of adrenaline, whe feeled were HOURS inside the "soup" (as we
call it here)...
He loves the autopilot best in long trips. He says is like the cruise
control in a car, no case to use it daily, but a good thing in a long
trip.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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--- caspainhower@aep.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> Michel,
> If you plan to do much in the way of long x-country flying you
> should
> consider keeping the autopilot. I currently fly a 172 "Skydog" and as
> stable as they are it would still be nice to set an autopilot and
> just look
> out the windows. Especially when it's 3 - 5 miles visibility in haze
> or at
> night (or in busy airspace trying to read a map). My panel will
> definitely
> be sporting an autopilot.
>
> Craig
> N601XS, 0-235 lyc
>
> I had a very fun time today with my two first training
> flights. During the first flight, I showed my Navaid
> to my instructor, hoping to impress him I suppose. He
> did not like the feeling of having a machine driving
> the plane for him....
>
> I suggested that this could be useful if busy while
> reading a map for example. He showed me to control
> the plane with rudder only, both hands free. euh...
> OK.... may be I bought this for nothing... after all,
> now that I discover flying, I feel that it is a waste
> to give this fun to an electro-mechanic device.
>
> I think I'll consider selling my Navaid shortly... (it
> ran only for 10 minutes so far!).
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-200 in 701? |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:07:26 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Frank,
Hds was seen at asking price of 31 to 34 a few years ago. we had an HDS sold
here in Texas for around 16 or 18, which was too low. He gave it away unnecessarily...though
surely they vary in quality and appeal. Have seen some sold at
about 25, too. I don't think I would take less than 27 for mine. I have had
offers for it ever since I started flying it five years ago. don
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>
34K!?????...So like do 701's bring in this kind of money?....My 601HDS
with superb workmanship (cus I say so) I was told is worth nowhere near
that!
He says thinking about selling mine in about a year from now...Comments?
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@isp.com<mailto:lrm@isp.com>>
There is a guy in Searcy, Arkansas who has a 0-200 in his 701. He had
it for sale for $34K. His first name is Elmo. That's all I know, I
looked at it last year and was underwelmed. The craftsmanship and paint
just wasn't
up to what I wanted. I'm sure Zenith would know, ask them to check
their
builders list for anyone in Searcy. If you can't find him through
Zenith,
e-mail me I have a friend in Searcy who knows him. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net<mailto:dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net<mailto:dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>>
>
> Mornin list,
> Does anyone know if this engine will work in 701? installations
> perhaps ? Thanks, Dirk.
>
> 701 (Tail done, working on the 2nd wing.)
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ha but yours probably has luxury items...like paint....:)...Although
mine came out a lot better than some I have seen this factor probably
limits the appeal.
I'm about a year away so if you get any folks interested feel free to
point 'em my way.
How is the engine running?....Mine has been superb since I sorted the
valve guide issue thans to Ram Performance.
Cheers
Frank
HDS Stratus with Ram heads 344 hours
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Walker
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Frank,
Hds was seen at asking price of 31 to 34 a few years ago. we had an
HDS sold here in Texas for around 16 or 18, which was too low. He gave
it away unnecessarily...though surely they vary in quality and appeal.
Have seen some sold at about 25, too. I don't think I would take less
than 27 for mine. I have had offers for it ever since I started flying
it five years ago. don
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>
34K!?????...So like do 701's bring in this kind of money?....My 601HDS
with superb workmanship (cus I say so) I was told is worth nowhere
near
that!
He says thinking about selling mine in about a year from
now...Comments?
Frank
Do not archive
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atronics.com>
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM"
<lrm@isp.com<mailto:lrm@isp.com>>
There is a guy in Searcy, Arkansas who has a 0-200 in his 701. He had
it for sale for $34K. His first name is Elmo. That's all I know, I
looked at it last year and was underwelmed. The craftsmanship and
paint
just wasn't
up to what I wanted. I'm sure Zenith would know, ask them to check
their
builders list for anyone in Searcy. If you can't find him through
Zenith,
e-mail me I have a friend in Searcy who knows him. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net<mailto:dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net<mailto:dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>>
>
> Mornin list,
> Does anyone know if this engine will work in 701? installations
> perhaps ? Thanks, Dirk.
>
> 701 (Tail done, working on the 2nd wing.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Copying rivets pattern |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
Do you have any tips on copying rivet patterns (holes)?
This is the situation: front and rear ribs have been drilled against the main spar.
Main spar goes to big pile of scrap, but I want to keep the ribs.
I could simply clamp the old spar web to the new one and use it as a template,
but I want to
minimize any and all deviation, so I will have no problems to matching the ribs
to the new spar.
Suggestions, comments, tips?
Thanks in advance
Carlos
(Back to workshop)
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| Subject: | Copying rivets pattern |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Carlos:
I have been using plexiglass where I need to do this. I sometimes drill a
hole where I should have left a "No Rivet Zone."
If you can get two holes back-drilled through the rib into the spar in the
correct position, you can remove the rib and drill through a piece of
plexiglass into the rib holes. Then you can cleco the pllexiglass to the
spar and drill through the holes in the plexiglass.
Clear as mud?
Scott.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Copying rivets pattern
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello, all
Do you have any tips on copying rivet patterns (holes)?
This is the situation: front and rear ribs have been drilled against the
main spar.
Main spar goes to big pile of scrap, but I want to keep the ribs.
I could simply clamp the old spar web to the new one and use it as a
template, but I want to
minimize any and all deviation, so I will have no problems to matching the
ribs to the new spar.
Suggestions, comments, tips?
Thanks in advance
Carlos
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| Subject: | Copying rivets pattern |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Scott, maybe I did not get the idea, but it seems that I would be adding one unecessary
step (the
plexiglass) when I could drill (once) trough the old spar straight onto the new
spar, using the
existing pattern in the old spar...
Right?
Carlos
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--- Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Carlos:
>
> I have been using plexiglass where I need to do this. I sometimes drill a
> hole where I should have left a "No Rivet Zone."
>
> If you can get two holes back-drilled through the rib into the spar in the
> correct position, you can remove the rib and drill through a piece of
> plexiglass into the rib holes. Then you can cleco the pllexiglass to the
> spar and drill through the holes in the plexiglass.
>
> Clear as mud?
>
> Scott.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> To: Z list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Copying rivets pattern
> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:28:05 -0400 (EDT)
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, all
>
>
> Do you have any tips on copying rivet patterns (holes)?
> This is the situation: front and rear ribs have been drilled against the
> main spar.
> Main spar goes to big pile of scrap, but I want to keep the ribs.
> I could simply clamp the old spar web to the new one and use it as a
> template, but I want to
> minimize any and all deviation, so I will have no problems to matching the
> ribs to the new spar.
>
> Suggestions, comments, tips?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> (Back to workshop)
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| Subject: | Copying rivets pattern |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Carlos:
The thing is that you will have to drill at an angle with a smaller drill
bit for the first two holes. Then when you drill into the plexiglass, you
use a little larger bit or the right-size bit. All drilling from that point
on will be straight-through the spar. You can expand the first two holes in
the spar with the right-size bit. Sorry I left out that bit of information.
There's always a way to do it if you put your mind to it.
Scott.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Copying rivets pattern
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Scott, maybe I did not get the idea, but it seems that I would be adding one
unecessary step (the
plexiglass) when I could drill (once) trough the old spar straight onto the
new spar, using the
existing pattern in the old spar...
Right?
Carlos
Do not archive
--- Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Carlos:
>
> I have been using plexiglass where I need to do this. I sometimes drill
a
> hole where I should have left a "No Rivet Zone."
>
> If you can get two holes back-drilled through the rib into the spar in
the
> correct position, you can remove the rib and drill through a piece of
> plexiglass into the rib holes. Then you can cleco the pllexiglass to the
> spar and drill through the holes in the plexiglass.
>
> Clear as mud?
>
> Scott.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
> To: Z list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Copying rivets pattern
> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:28:05 -0400 (EDT)
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, all
>
>
> Do you have any tips on copying rivet patterns (holes)?
> This is the situation: front and rear ribs have been drilled against the
> main spar.
> Main spar goes to big pile of scrap, but I want to keep the ribs.
> I could simply clamp the old spar web to the new one and use it as a
> template, but I want to
> minimize any and all deviation, so I will have no problems to matching
the
> ribs to the new spar.
>
> Suggestions, comments, tips?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carlos
> (Back to workshop)
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| Subject: | Re: O-200 in 701? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Frank,
You should know that the 601s sell at between $25K and $50K and the
basis of price is workmanship and the buyer. I'm not ready to sell anytime
soon,
but expect to get the high side of that pricing one day if I don't prang it.
We've recently seen 3 RV-7s selling as high as 108K here in the midwest,
so don't sell yourself short. The 601 isn't fast but neither are many older
planes that sell for a lot more.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS, finally @ 40.3 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> 34K!?????...So like do 701's bring in this kind of money?....My 601HDS
> with superb workmanship (cus I say so) I was told is worth nowhere near
> that!
>
> He says thinking about selling mine in about a year from now...Comments?
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LRM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> There is a guy in Searcy, Arkansas who has a 0-200 in his 701. He had
> it for sale for $34K. His first name is Elmo. That's all I know, I
> looked at it last year and was underwelmed. The craftsmanship and paint
> just wasn't
> up to what I wanted. I'm sure Zenith would know, ask them to check
> their
> builders list for anyone in Searcy. If you can't find him through
> Zenith,
> e-mail me I have a friend in Searcy who knows him. Larry N1345L
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: O-200 in 701?
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
> <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>>
>> Mornin list,
>> Does anyone know if this engine will work in 701? installations
>> perhaps ? Thanks, Dirk.
>>
>> 701 (Tail done, working on the 2nd wing.)
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
I began high speed taxi tests today with my 601 HDS - Stratus
Subaru.
Ran into a few problems and am interested in what others think. One
of the bolts that hold the gear fork and doubler to the gear leg was
hitting the left tire occasionally - definitely a problem. I noticed
a VERY hard pull to the left under throttle and am wondering how much
is due to P-factor and how much was the occasional contact between
this bolt and the tire.
The rudder pedals, well - how can I put it, STINK! Its almost
impossible to control without hitting the breaks (unless your a size
5 shoe) which could also contribute to the steering issues. I found
it very twitchy compared to a cessna (again - could be due to gear
issue) and throttle inputs seemed to really want to turn it left.
I never went over 3000 RPM or 30mph due to the control issues.
I double checked the track of the main gear and all looks good, I
plan on fixing the bolts, dropping the tire pressure down to 30psi as
discussed on this list from 60 and see what happens.
Curious as to what others have found,
- Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilot (short story, well not to long) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
OK. Thanks all! I'll keep the Navaid.
Michel :)
PS: 3.2 hours of dual today. And my two first landings
w/o assistance!
--- Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Michel,
>
> We have one installed in our 701, already finished
> (just waiting for
> the temporary flight test permit) hope to flight
> test will be this week
> end...
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Andrew,
I raised the brake pedals by adding a little extension plate to each.
Never found the aircraft to be twitchy or difficult to control for P-factor
though there is some pressure required on takeoff to counter it.
Would suggest you keep the tire pressure at whatever your tires dictate
max until you solve the bolt problem.
You might be wise to check to see that your rudder and nose gear are
centered on
each other cable and rod adjustment wise. You might be off just a bit there
and you'd notice it.
I think the HDS tracks beautifully on takeoff and landing and taxies out the
same.
Larry McFarland - N601EZ
Subject: Zenith-List: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
> <ansancle@townisp.com>
>
> I began high speed taxi tests today with my 601 HDS - Stratus
> Subaru.
>
I found
> it very twitchy compared to a cessna (again - could be due to gear
> issue) and throttle inputs seemed to really want to turn it left.
> I never went over 3000 RPM or 30mph due to the control issues.
> I double checked the track of the main gear and all looks good, I
> plan on fixing the bolts, dropping the tire pressure down to 30psi as
> discussed on this list from 60 and see what happens.
>
> Curious as to what others have found,
>
> - Andrew
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| Subject: | Airspeed markings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hi gang,
I got the airspeed marking sheet provided by ZAC as
well as the sample POH. It says that the maneuvering
speed is 97 mph and caution range 125-160 mph (160
being Vne).
I don't understand why the yellow marking starts at
105 mph. From my theory classes, the yellow marking
should be the normal cruise speed in calm air (normal
operation speed) and the Va is not shown on the ASI.
Should I redo the marking and extend the green zone to
125? (my instructor is nervous about going beyond 105
because of the markings).
Michel
=====
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
Lance and Frank,
Trutrack Flight Systems allows upgrades. Excerpt from http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/overview.html "Any unit may be exchanged at any time for one with more features, for the difference in published price at the time of exchange." So, no my original Digitrak is not available, it has been exchanged.
Frank - I choose the Digiflight II over the Digitrak + Altrak for a several reasons.
1) I like the elegance of the single unit. 2) If I choose to add vertical
speed it will only require "upgrade the controller head" 3) IF I upgrade my
GNS430 to WAAS supporting precision GPS approaches, it will again only require
"upgrade the controller head" to have an autopilot that can fly approaches.
At OSH'04 I watched Jim Younkin talk several people out of spending "extra money" on the Digiflight II if Digitrak + Altrak would meet their needs. (Read about Jim at http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/aboutus.html if you don't recognize his name)
Trutrack Flight Systems has provided great support. My original roll servo did
not have enough torque for the installation. Trutrack exchanged the servo at no
cost and paid the return shipping for my original servo!
Regards,
Roy
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| Subject: | Re: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Larry,
The nose-gear and rudder are centered on each other and I know how
Im going to fix that bolt problem. The bolt must be it if its
normally a docile aircraft. My big feet are having trouble with those
little rudders and I may have been tweaking a brake here and there
adding to the problem.
Another question for you, the ailerons feel a little stiff on the
ground due to flexing the metal instead of a piano hinge (I know its
not in the cables etc.. since it was super smooth prior to hooking to
aileron). Are only small control movements required?
On the positive side I've had no cooling issues even though Im just
taxiing around for 30-45 minutes at a time - engine has been running
great.
- Andy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:19:04 -0500, Larry McFarland wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
><larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>Andrew,
>I raised the brake pedals by adding a little extension plate to
each.
>Never found the aircraft to be twitchy or difficult to control for
P-
>factor
>though there is some pressure required on takeoff to counter it.
>Would suggest you keep the tire pressure at whatever your tires
>dictate
>max until you solve the bolt problem.
>You might be wise to check to see that your rudder and nose gear are
>centered on
>each other cable and rod adjustment wise. You might be off just a
>bit there
>and you'd notice it.
>
>I think the HDS tracks beautifully on takeoff and landing and taxies
>out the
>same.
>
>Larry McFarland - N601EZ
>
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|July 24, 2002) at 10/07/2004 07:52:15 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
I read a post some time ago where someone put in a 12v computer cooling fan
in their 601 as a defroster, they said it worked pretty good. Just have to
keep it away from the radios.
Craig S.
N601XS 0-235 lyc
>
> A question for 601 drivers, is a defroster necessary?
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 defroster |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> I read a post some time ago where someone put in a 12v computer cooling
fan
> in their 601 as a defroster, they said it worked pretty good. Just have
to
> keep it away from the radios.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I've done this setup on my 601 two years ago. Works great to defrost the
canopy in humid conditions. And also adds some relief in the hot summer
months to give you a little more air circulation over your head.
My large 12 volt PC fan is only a few inches from my radio (and antenna) and
have I never had any interference problems.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD
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| Subject: | Re: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Andy,
The resistance to flex is very seldom noticed in the ailerons as you become
a better pilot.
I was surprised that in coordinated flight, seldom more than 1/4-inch to
3/8"
movement of the aileron is needed. It doesn't work that way when trying to
side-slip or counter
for a stiff trailing crosswind when taxiing, or when getting into the top of
a stall and a lot
more aileron is desired. You feel resistance then, but these occasions are
very infrequent and
you get accustomed to it. The last thing is slowing down for mid day
convective air, but you still
find yourself riding a galloping horse and you fight the ailerons a bit.
Climb above it if you can.
After a lot of consternation and learning how to read and use the correct
sensors, etc I've
not had any cooling problems either, but EGTs remain the one item still
being balanced. It appears
that most people commenting to this, have a consistently higher EGT on the
right exhaust by about 60-degrees.
This permits the right EGT to reach 1450-1460 on takeoff while the left is
still 1390. These simmer down to
1300 left and 1360 right in cruise. If they both were only 1390 on takeoff,
I'd feel much better.
Going to exchange the 170 right jet for a 172 and see if it helps.
Sounds like you've got a better handle on things as you progress.
Hang in there and fly safe.
Larry - 601HDS
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew SanClemente" <ansancle@townisp.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Taxi-Tests 601 HDS Stratus Subaru
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
> <ansancle@townisp.com>
>
> Larry,
> The nose-gear and rudder are centered on each other and I know how
> Im going to fix that bolt problem. The bolt must be it if its
> normally a docile aircraft. My big feet are having trouble with those
> little rudders and I may have been tweaking a brake here and there
> adding to the problem.
>
> Another question for you, the ailerons feel a little stiff on the
> ground due to flexing the metal instead of a piano hinge (I know its
> not in the cables etc.. since it was super smooth prior to hooking to
> aileron). Are only small control movements required?
>
> On the positive side I've had no cooling issues even though Im just
> taxiing around for 30-45 minutes at a time - engine has been running
> great.
>
> - Andy
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:19:04 -0500, Larry McFarland wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
>><larrymc@qconline.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Copying rivets pattern |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
One way I see (that I saw pros at BL Aviation doing)
is to match drill the new web to the old web. You'd
need to disassemble the old spar entirely to do this.
If exact position on spar is not critical, you could
clamp the rib to new spar and drill from the rib side
using a foot-long drill bit. One way to avoid
enlarging the hole in the rib is to insert a ruler or
piece of alum behind the rib next to the location of
the hole (so the drill bit is guided better).
Michel
--- Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Do you have any tips on copying rivet patterns
> (holes)?
> This is the situation: front and rear ribs have been
> drilled against the main spar.
> Main spar goes to big pile of scrap, but I want to
> keep the ribs.
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed markings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 10/7/04 3:31 PM, "Michel Therrien" <mtherr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> I don't understand why the yellow marking starts at
> 105 mph. From my theory classes, the yellow marking
> should be the normal cruise speed in calm air (normal
> operation speed) and the Va is not shown on the ASI.
You are correct Michel. Yellow arc describes the "Caution Range" which is
from Vno (i.e. Maximum structural cruising speed) up to Vne. The yellow arc
does not describe Va.
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed markings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
If the caution range is 125 to 160 that should be the yellow arc. The top of
the green arc is the maximum structural cruising speed (Vno), the speed that
should not be exceeded except in smooth air.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
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on 10/7/04 6:31 PM, Michel Therrien at mtherr@yahoo.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> I got the airspeed marking sheet provided by ZAC as
> well as the sample POH. It says that the maneuvering
> speed is 97 mph and caution range 125-160 mph (160
> being Vne).
>
> I don't understand why the yellow marking starts at
> 105 mph. From my theory classes, the yellow marking
> should be the normal cruise speed in calm air (normal
> operation speed) and the Va is not shown on the ASI.
>
> Should I redo the marking and extend the green zone to
> 125? (my instructor is nervous about going beyond 105
> because of the markings).
>
> Michel
>
>
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