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1. 04:29 AM - Re: aileron hinges (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
2. 05:27 AM - Looking for a Condition inspection check list for a CH 250 (Woody Sulloway)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: unacceptable registration. was:Re: aileron hinges (Andrew SanClemente)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: unacceptable registration. was:Re: aileron hinges (Mike Fothergill)
5. 09:03 AM - Wing root trimming 601xl (Jack Russell)
6. 12:26 PM - Re: Wing root trimming 601xl (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
7. 02:40 PM - time for a gentle reminder (Jeff Small)
8. 02:40 PM - Bing mercury carb kit... (Richard T. Perry)
9. 02:50 PM - Re: time for a gentle reminder (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
10. 04:37 PM - Thank you for your email (Dan Viet Newspaper)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I had the same thing happen. When I sent in the registration application, I put
CH 601 XL but when the registration came back, the CH was missing and I didn't
notice. When I sent the paperwork to the DAR for the inspection I put the CH
on that also but he noticed that it wansn't on the copy of the registration I
sent him, so he just printed up a new set of paperwork for the inspection that
matched the registration. Appearently, as long as the airworthiness certificate
matches the registration that's the only thing that matters. After all, you
are the manufacturer so you can call it anything you want. It seems like it
would be a whole lot easier for the DAR to make his paperwork match the registration
than to convince the FAA to issue a new registration.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
>
> Frank,
> Waiting for an updated registration to get my inspection. On my
> first iteration I put "Zenith 601HDS", forgot the "CH" and my DARs
> boss noticed and won't overlook it. Waiting for my modified
> registration from OK City and then it should take to the air!
> Paperwork - ARGGG!!!
>
> I will wait until its flying to make any change like that.
>
> -Andy
I had the same thing happen. When I sent in the registration application, I put
CH 601 XL but when the registration came back, the CH was missing and I didn't
notice. When I sent the paperwork to the DAR for the inspection I put the CH
on that alsobut he noticed that it wansn't on the copy of the registration I
sent him, so he just printed up a new set of paperwork for the inspection that
matched the registration. Appearently, as long as the airworthiness certificate
matches the registration that's the only thing that matters. After all, you
are the manufacturer so you can call it anything you want. It seems like it would
be a whole lot easier for the DAR to make his paperwork match the registration
than to convince the FAA to issue a new registration.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ANSANCLE@TOWNISP.COM>
Frank,
Waiting for an updated registration to get my inspection. On my
first iteration I put "Zenith 601HDS", forgot the "CH" and my DARs
boss noticed and won't overlook it. Waiting for my modified
registration from OK City and then it should take to the air!
Paperwork - ARGGG!!!
I will wait until its flying to make any change like that.
-Andy
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| Subject: | Looking for a Condition inspection check list for a CH 250 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Woody Sulloway" <sulloway@clis.com>
Hi All,
I'm going to look at a CH 250 in a couple of days. Does anyone have a
Condition inspection list they would be willing to share with me?
TIA
Regards
Woody Sulloway
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| Subject: | Re: aileron hinges |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Its funny, my DAR doesn't think its an issue at all, as long as all
the paperwork matches as was previously mentioned. His boss for some
reason thinks the model is supposed to be "Zenith CH 601HDS" and
therefor required me to redo all the paperwork with that designation,
not a big deal - EXCEPT it is for the registration as described
below. The FAA in OK City also told me it wasn't a big deal, call it
want you want - they don't care.
Im using the time to continue testing and to fix small items on my
punch list - but the weather is going to start turning decidedly foul
up here in the northeast very shortly so as Frank said, lets get
going!
-Andy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:22:49 -0700 (PDT), xl wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>
>
>Maybe BS but it's real. It happened to me too.
>I put CH601XL on the registration form
>but I put 601XL on one of the other forms in the pile because
>I wanted that form to match the bill of sale.
>(fewer forms and online action make sense to me....)
>The FAA put 601XL on the registration certificate - wrong.
>The DAR and FAA didn't like that. I was ready to fly Dec 15.
>It took until April to get the new registration. I flew Apr 9.
>My plane sat for almost 4 months collecting water in the fuel
>tanks before I could fly it - another story :)
>Bummer. BTW, the FAA in Oklahoma City agreed that I could call
>it anything that I wanted - except something like a Boeing 747.
>She asked why I wanted a new registration. I told her that I
>didn't....
>She told me to get a new inspector or go to a different FAA
>office. But once I was in the system I felt that I couldn't
>make a fuss without risk. I felt that I was at the mercy of
>the DAR and FAA. I didn't feel that I had the power to protest.
>Oh yeah, it would have taken me longer to get the new registration
>if I hadn't called Oklahoma City several times and begged.
>
>Joe E
>N633Z @ BFI
>125 hours
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| Subject: | Re: aileron hinges |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi;
When crossing into US recently, Customs could only find my airplane
under 601, even though I had described it as a CH-601 on my border sticker.
Other than a slight delay in finding the right number, it was no problem.
Mike
C-FRND
UHS Spinners
xl wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>
>
> Maybe BS but it's real. It happened to me too.
> I put CH601XL on the registration form
> but I put 601XL on one of the other forms in the pile because
> I wanted that form to match the bill of sale.
> (fewer forms and online action make sense to me....)
> The FAA put 601XL on the registration certificate - wrong.
> The DAR and FAA didn't like that. I was ready to fly Dec 15.
> It took until April to get the new registration. I flew Apr 9.
> My plane sat for almost 4 months collecting water in the fuel
> tanks before I could fly it - another story :)
> Bummer. BTW, the FAA in Oklahoma City agreed that I could call
> it anything that I wanted - except something like a Boeing 747.
> She asked why I wanted a new registration. I told her that I didn't....
> She told me to get a new inspector or go to a different FAA
> office. But once I was in the system I felt that I couldn't
> make a fuss without risk. I felt that I was at the mercy of
> the DAR and FAA. I didn't feel that I had the power to protest.
> Oh yeah, it would have taken me longer to get the new registration
> if I hadn't called Oklahoma City several times and begged.
>
> Joe E
> N633Z @ BFI
> 125 hours
>
> archive this - people need to know
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, cgalley wrote:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>That is BS. You can call the airplane and model ANYTHING you want. You are
>>the manufacturer. If you want to give some credit to the designer then
>>that's o.k. too. BUT to hold up your paperwork is wrong.
>>Cy Galley
>>EAA Safety Programs Editor
>>Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Andrew SanClemente" <ansancle@townisp.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: aileron hinges
>>
>>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
>>
>><ansancle@townisp.com>
>>
>>>Frank,
>>> Waiting for an updated registration to get my inspection. On my
>>>first iteration I put "Zenith 601HDS", forgot the "CH" and my DARs
>>>boss noticed and won't overlook it. Waiting for my modified
>>>registration from OK City and then it should take to the air!
>>>Paperwork - ARGGG!!!
>>>
>>>I will wait until its flying to make any change like that.
>>> -Andy
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing root trimming 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
I am at the point of putting wings on the fuselage. Can anybody tell me if the
wing root skin trimming measurements given by Zac will be accurate? I laid it
out on the top and bottom but trimmed about 20mm longer with the idea that I would
slide the wing in and then trim to match the fuselage. Once I got the wing
on I found that I will not be able to slide it far enough to match the 6 bolt
holes unless I trim it to specs. I looks like the rubber molding is wide enough
to correct any variances. Jack Russell in Clovis CA
601 xl
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root trimming 601xl |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
I wouldn't count on the measurements in the plans being exact. At the very least
there is likely to be a little bit of difference between your plane and the
prototype. You're on the right track by trimming long and test fitting. Slide
the wing into place as close as you can get it, make sure it's on straight and
make sure the gap is close to the same width all around. Trim it back again and
test fit it again. At some point you will be able to see the six holes in the
spar start to align with the holes in the center section and you will be able
to get a better idea how much is left to trim off. I think I when through half
a dozen iterations of this until I was able to get bolts in the holes then
I marked a line all around the wing root to get a uniform gap for the molding
to fit into. I took some long bolts the same diameter as the mounting holes and
ground the ends down to a taper to use as alignment pins to ease the installation.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell
>
> I am at the point of putting wings on the fuselage. Can anybody tell me if the
> wing root skin trimming measurements given by Zac will be accurate? I laid it
> out on the top and bottom but trimmed about 20mm longer with the idea that I
> would slide the wing in and then trim to match the fuselage. Once I got the wing
> on I found that I will not be able to slide it far enough to match the 6 bolt
> holes unless I trim it to specs. I looks like the rubber molding is wide enough
> to correct any variances. Jack Russell in Clovis CA
> 601 xl
>
>
>
I wouldn't count on the measurements in the plans being exact. At the very least
there is likely to be a little bit of difference between your plane and the
prototype. You're on the right track by trimming long and test fitting. Slide
the wing into place as close as you can get it, make sure it's on straight and
make sure the gap is close to the same width all around. Trim it back again and
test fit it again. At some point you will be able to see the six holes in the
spar start to align with the holes in the center section and you will be able
to get a better idea how much is left to trim off. I think I when through half
a dozen iterations of this until I was able to get bolts in the holes then
I marked a line all around the wing root to get a uniform gap for the molding
to fit into. I took some long bolts the same diameter as the mounting holes and
ground the ends down to a taper to use as alignment pins to ease the installation.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <CLOJAN@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
I am at the point of putting wings on the fuselage. Can anybody tell me if the
wing root skin trimming measurements given by Zac will be accurate? I laid it
out on the top and bottom but trimmed about 20mm longer with the idea that I
would slide the wing in and then trim to match the fuselage. Once I got the wing
on I found that I will not be able to slide it far enough to match the 6 bolt
holes unless I trim it to specs. I looks like the rubber molding is wide enough
to correct any variances. Jack Russell in Clovis CA
601 xl
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| Subject: | time for a gentle reminder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
It's much easier for those of us that get the digest form if the ORIGNIAL POST,
or at least most of it, would be edited out. Slogging through endless accounts
of muffler bearing failures and opinions on how to best hookup the flux field
monitor defeats the newcomers who want to go back through the archives and
are frustrated by all the repetitions.
Also, one word or one line "thanks" or "congratulations" or "I did it that way,"
should be sent off-list to the original poster. If a dozen people won't find
it interesting in six months, don't post it.
If you have something of an immediate nature that won't stand the test of time
just add do not archive.
Regards Jeff
do not archive
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| Subject: | Bing mercury carb kit... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
I have to admit, I'm REALLY surprised that they would even sell you a kit
that required mercury for ANY purpose.
My other hobby is clock repair and building. Some older clocks use mercury
in the pendulum. Dealing with these units is a MAJOR pain in the butt from
what I'm hearing. It is virtually impossible to get "new" mercury,
impossible to ship, and trying to dispose of it? Fuggetabouit! In a
commercial environment, don't even mention it within earshot of a OSHA
inspector - you'd be a dead man.
Anyway, my point to this admittedly OT statement is that with mercury so
hard to get anymore, I'm surprised that Bing is still selling the kit at
all. I always thought of them as a "good" company - that seems a very
boneheaded move.
The water replacemet idea is good, but you'll have to add a bunch more
tubing and I don't know if you have the space. I think I'd try to find a
couple of high precision gages in the right range, personally. Or the
electronic version...
Good luck!
Richard Perry
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| Subject: | Re: time for a gentle reminder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
Amen.
Do not archive.
Dave
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| Subject: | Thank you for your email |
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