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1. 05:47 AM - Newbie Question (Phil Raker)
2. 07:32 AM - Building table idea (Brett Hanley)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Newbie question (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
4. 09:26 AM - Re: Wanted: Work Table (Leo J. Corbalis)
5. 09:44 AM - Re: Building table idea (Andrew SanClemente)
6. 02:13 PM - center spar/skin trimming (Jack Russell)
7. 04:30 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 10/15/04 (Grant Corriveau)
8. 05:21 PM - Re: Re:Exhaust fumes in cabin (Grant Corriveau) (Frank Jones)
9. 08:05 PM - This list (Jeff Paden)
10. 08:48 PM - I need a little help please (Jeff Paden)
11. 09:57 PM - Re: unacceptable registration. was:Re: aileron hinges (Tebenkof@aol.com)
12. 10:13 PM - Re: I need a little help please (Jeff Paden)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
By all means, DO the workshop. It's a great learning exercise.
Why the Zenith? Don't overlook the fact that ZAC is an established
company which has been in the business of building aircraft kits for many
years, and will probably be around for a while longer, too. Many other
companies have come and gone.
A couple of years ago Brent Battles posted a little piece on this list
which speaks about his reasons for chosing the 601. I'm certain the much same
could be said about the 701/801 & 640. My slight paraphrase of Brent's piece
follows:
On Choosing a Kit Airplane
paraphrased from Brenton E. Battles
CH-601 HD -- N16BZ
While pursuing some of the less demanding tasks involved in kitbuilding
(like
deburring), my mind can afford to wander. At such times, my mind has been
known to make some unusual connections. Heres one of them. When I asked
myself what criteria I'd use if I were to build another airplane, it came to me
that they were very much the same as I'd use in choosing a dog:
*It would have a very low likelihood of jumping and biting me.
*It would be playful.
*It would be predictable.
*It would be responsive.
*It would be trainable.
*It would be able and willing to run or walk at my speed.
*It would be relatively handsome.
*It would be easy to maintain.
*It wouldn't eat too much, and
*It would be equally at home either indoors or out.
I think that pretty well describes the CH-601 Zenith.
This also pretty well describes why I chose to build a 601.
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RW Kel <last1inisit@yahoo.com>
>
> I haven't started on a kit yet but I'm thinking about going to the January
> "rudder building" class at the factory. I'd like to hear from folks why
> they went with Zenair and what they would like to have known before they
> got started.
> Thanks for helping a newbie out and please reply to the list if possible.
>
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| Subject: | Building table idea |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
I do not have a table for you. But I do have an idea
for you to think about. You may need to build your
own. If you do build your own do not build a 4X12
table. Build three 4X4 or four 2X6 tables. They can
be bolted together to make a 4X12. They will be much
more versatile after the airframe is done.
Brett
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 10/15/2004 4:26:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
last1inisit@yahoo.com writes:
message posted by: RW Kel <last1inisit@yahoo.com>
I haven't started on a kit yet but I'm thinking about going to the January
"rudder building" class at the factory. I'd like to hear from folks why they
went with Zenair and what they would like to have known before they got started.
Thanks for helping a newbie out and please reply to the list if possible.
Just seeing the factory, AC and parts in process is worth the trip.
Intro to the ZAC method of construction, understanding the prints and work
book, is the advantage of the workshop.
Hands on building of the rudder of your choice is the icing on the cake. Much
skill and confidence is the real outcome. An orientation flight with Roger
confirms that the AC is the real thing.
Your new friends will be Avex,, and Rivet Line, and MM too.
Before you go, study the CH Design School articles,, for content. They lay a
good basis for the work shop.
Happy Building. Watch that edge distance.
Jerry, CH701SP.
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: Work Table |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
When I got my complete kit, I used the crate to store all the parts and made
a top using 3 12ft 1 X6 in straight boards and 3/4 in plywood for the top.
Pick only STRAIGHT lumber !! You then make shims to level the top surface. I
rigged a simple block and tackle to lift the top at each end. It really
minimized the clutter. Use the screws from the crate.
do not archive
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Keeners" <kim.forest@surewest.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Wanted: Work Table
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Keeners" <kim.forest@surewest.net>
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> Is there anyone out there in the Northern California/Sacramento area who
is ready to part with their 4x12 work table?
> Thanks!
> FKeener
> Starter Kit Purchased....
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building table idea |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
One other idea, put the lockable wheels on the bottom of each leg
(Casters?). Its invaluable to be able to wheel things out of the way
etc.., simply click the little lock on the wheel and its not going
anywhere.
-Andy
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT), Brett Hanley wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
>
>I do not have a table for you. But I do have an idea
>for you to think about. You may need to build your
>own. If you do build your own do not build a 4X12
>table. Build three 4X4 or four 2X6 tables. They can
>be bolted together to make a 4X12. They will be much
>more versatile after the airframe is done.
>
>Brett
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| Subject: | center spar/skin trimming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for all the responses on trimming the wing root skin.
I made a mistake a year ago which finally caught up with me. You guys that
are building your fuselage learn from this! Make sure that the center spar extends
past your side skins by a couple of mm. I don't know if is wasn't in the
drawings or I just missed it but I remember looking at all of the pictures I
could find to determine what it should be. I ended up with the spar flush with
the inside of the side skin. The problem comes now when I tried to slide the
wings into the spar and the bolt holes won't line up by a couple of mm. The only
way to make it fit now is to trim back the top spar cap along with the skin.
This means that the wings cannot be 90deg to the center line but slightly canted
forward. I thought about trimming the rear spar back slightly to get back
to the 90 deg but then my flap hinge (which is already drilled) will touch the
flap arm.
Point 2- Don't trust ZAC measurements on the root skin cut.(by now I should know
this.) I did cut the bottom to their measurements but for some reason I decided
to leave about 20mm on the top skin. I am glad I did. The top looks good now
but the bottom has about a 10mm gap which the rubber will not fill. Fortunately
Rick Beckman showed me a neat trick to forget the rubber and use fiberglass
for the wing root.
This whole mess just pissed me off. It would have been avoided if I would have
been smarter about the center spar. Jack Russell in clovis CA
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 10/15/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> - Rotation Speed on takeoff (and I noticed in the archives back
> elevator is required or no liftoff regardless of speed)
> - Downwind Leg
> - Base Leg
> - Final
> - Touchdown
This is what I use -- but as the commercial says "your results may vary"...
;-)
Early in the first flight, at a safe altitude, I verified that my airspeed
indicator was accurate (I use an external static port -- the original Zenair
idea of a static port inside the cockpit gives erroneously high readings).
At gross weight, the HDS should stall at a CAS of around 60-65 MPH (as I
recall).... so I did a couple of very gentle approaches to the stall and the
'break' came at about 60 mph...
Having verified this, I then calculated 1.3 times this speed for my minimum
approach speed -> call it 80 mph for round numbers.
So, to specifically answer your questions:
Rotation - normal runway conditions - I rotate at 60 and accelerate in the
initial climb to 70-75 if there is an obstacle. Clear of obstacles I'll
accelerate to 80-85 range for circuit climbout.
Downwind? Depends how fast I want to 'get there' but I'll probably let it
accelerate to about 100-110 mph downwind for visibility over the nose.
I fly the intial part of the approcah (base/long final) at 80-85 depending
upon weight, wind gusts, etc... slow to 75 'crossing the fence' - keeping
power on because this is NOT a glider wing, and when the power comes off the
deceleration begins right away... I expect to have to flare to a nose-high
attitude (i.e. the horizon disappears beneath the nose) as I close the
throttle and touchdown around 60-65 depending...
Another thing... this is the first engine I've flown that uses RPMs up in
the 4500 - 5500 range... It takes some getting used to... If you've flown
behind Continental/Lycomings etc. before, you might want to convert your
engine rpm to prop speed some day and make a note -- just to give yourself
an idea of the kind of rpms to expect. I hope this helps...
Regards
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | RE:Exhaust fumes in cabin (Grant Corriveau) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
I'm using an electronic unit that gives a digital readout of PPM and
alarms at high levels. It seemed more reliable than the chemical spots.
I'm going to try out some of the suggestions in the next couple of days
and report back.
Thanks to all for their assistance.
Frank
>Frank,
>Just a thought, how are you measuring or determining the level of CO in
the
>ca.bin. I had what I though was a similar problem in my CH801. I was
>using
>the "brown spot" CO detector that sticks on the dash. I was getting a
>graying display on it after about 30 minutes of flying. I checked the
>exhaust, firewall, etc. but didn't find anything.>
>
>Then I noticed that the CO indicator was out of date. I opened up a
new one
>Jim Frisby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Hello everyone. For some reason I can send to this list but I am no longer
getting any messages from the list.
I am not ignoring you all, I just don't know if anyone replied to my
messages.
I have requested help from the administrator of the list but I have not
gotten any replies from my efforts.
Sorry everyone
Jeff Paden
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| Subject: | I need a little help please |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Hello again everyone. I'm sorry for sending this to the list but I don't
know how else to resolve my problem.
Can anyone on the list PLEASE email me at jeffpaden@madbbs.com and send me
the header from any of the messages that you have from the zenith-list.
I need to see a header so that I can see what email servers the messages are
passing through and try to figure out if our mail server is blocking the
messages. It looks to me like we are not, but then again I don't know what
IP address they are being sent from.
Thank you to anyone that is kind enough to assist me.
By the way, my CH-640 is in the painting process at this time and we hope to
complete it by this weekend! WOOHOO!
Jeff Paden
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| Subject: | Re: aileron hinges |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
anyone feel like posting the names/locations of these nuisance DARs and FAA
offices? Sound like good people to avoid if you can.
Jim G.
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| Subject: | Re: I need a little help please |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Thank you all for your help. I think I have the issue resolved and will
find out for sure once I send this email to the list.
If I get it back from the list then I will know for sure that everything is
finally working again.
Sorry once again to bother the list with this type of thing but I missed all
the great info from all of you.
Jeff Paden
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