Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 02:26 AM - Work Table (Richard T Perry)
2. 02:37 AM - Thank you for your email (Dan Viet Newspaper)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Work Table (Andrew SanClemente)
4. 06:42 AM - DARs and FAA offices--the good, the bad, the ugly (Bob Miller)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Building table idea (Hal Rozema)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: center spar/skin trimming (mike honer)
7. 08:51 AM - FW: 640: bill of materials? (Matthew Mucker)
8. 10:21 AM - Re:Back on list (EMAproducts@aol.com)
9. 11:04 AM - 601HDS forms, jigs and molds (Larry McFarland)
10. 03:41 PM - Re: Work Table (Dave Austin)
11. 04:47 PM - 912S Engine question.. (Jon Croke)
12. 05:03 PM - FAA (Jeff Paden)
13. 05:24 PM - Re: FAA (Randy Stout)
14. 06:02 PM - Re: 912S Engine question.. (Frank Jones)
15. 07:33 PM - Re: 912S Engine question.. (Dave Alberti)
16. 08:07 PM - 1 year anniversary (Jon Croke)
17. 09:02 PM - Re: 912S Engine question.. (Brett)
18. 09:28 PM - Re: 912S Engine question.. (Ken Szewc)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
Snce I'm still in the planning stages, and since the previous poster kinda
brought it up...
How critical is the whole flat and level workbench thing? Essentially, I'm
thinking I'm going to build my table like I was building a model railroad
table (which also has to be fairly flat and level) - probably 1x6
L-stringers and an MDF top.
However, I'm open to suggestions.
Richard Perry
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Thank you for your email |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Viet Newspaper" <info@danviet.com.au>
Thank you,
We have received your email.
It will be attended to as soon as we possibly can.
Have a nice day!
Cam on ban,
Chung toi da nhan duoc email cua ban.
Chung toi se hoi dap trong thoi gian som nhat.
Chuc ban mot ngay vui ve.
Tuan bao Dan Viet.
(This is an auto reply message)
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
Level is important, especially for things like setting the twist on
the wings and ailerons, but remember, your not building the space
shuttle so don't get crazy about it either.
- Andy
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:24:22 +1200, Richard T Perry wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T Perry"
><perryrt@hotmail.com>
>
>Snce I'm still in the planning stages, and since the previous poster
>kinda
>brought it up...
>
>How critical is the whole flat and level workbench thing?
>Essentially, I'm
>thinking I'm going to build my table like I was building a model
>railroad
>table (which also has to be fairly flat and level) - probably 1x6
>L-stringers and an MDF top.
>
>However, I'm open to suggestions.
>
>Richard Perry
>
>
>_-
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | DARs and FAA offices--the good, the bad, the ugly |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Great idea Jim.
Maybe anybody that knows of particularly good OR bad ones could post.
Let's give our business to the good guys!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tebenkof@aol.com>
Subject: Re: unacceptable registration. was:Re: Zenith-List: aileron hinges
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
>
> anyone feel like posting the names/locations of these nuisance DARs and
> FAA
> offices? Sound like good people to avoid if you can.
>
> Jim G.
>
>
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Building table idea |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
I built my 701 on two Home Depot folding party tables 30x72 with two
2x4s screwed underneath for alignment. leveled them both ways with a 4'
carpenter level by shims under the feet.. After all major components
were built I have two good work (junk) tables. One for each side of the
plane. Everyone tries to make things more complicated and expensive
than it needs to be.
Hal
ThePlaneFolks.Net
VSTOL CH701 / 3300
ready to rig
>
>
>
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: center spar/skin trimming |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mike honer" <amhoner@rtmc.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Russell" <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: center spar/skin trimming
JACK: You might want to rethink this. Once you have tightened the spar
bolts, the wing WILL be perpendicular to the c/l of the fuselage.
Better to slot the hole in the flap inboard bulkhead fore and/or aft to get
your fit back.if you must, fabricate new rear tabs, or whatever you have to
do.
Chris Heintz suggested using a rat-tail file to elongate the flap actuator
hole (fore and aft) to get it to line up with the actuator bell crank rod in
a letter to me 2 yrs ago.
Mike Honer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Thanks for all the responses on trimming the wing root skin.
> I made a mistake a year ago which finally caught up with me. You
guys that are building your fuselage learn from this! Make sure that the
center spar extends past your side skins by a couple of mm. I don't know if
is wasn't in the drawings or I just missed it but I remember looking at all
of the pictures I could find to determine what it should be. I ended up with
the spar flush with the inside of the side skin. The problem comes now when
I tried to slide the wings into the spar and the bolt holes won't line up by
a couple of mm. The only way to make it fit now is to trim back the top spar
cap along with the skin. This means that the wings cannot be 90deg to the
center line but slightly canted forward. I thought about trimming the rear
spar back slightly to get back to the 90 deg but then my flap hinge (which
is already drilled) will touch the flap arm.
> Point 2- Don't trust ZAC measurements on the root skin cut.(by now I
should know this.) I did cut the bottom to their measurements but for some
reason I decided to leave about 20mm on the top skin. I am glad I did. The
top looks good now but the bottom has about a 10mm gap which the rubber will
not fill. Fortunately Rick Beckman showed me a neat trick to forget the
rubber and use fiberglass for the wing root.
> This whole mess just pissed me off. It would have been avoided if I would
have been smarter about the center spar. Jack Russell in clovis CA
>
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | FW: 640: bill of materials? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker" <matthew@mucker.net>
All,
I'm taking nine semester hours and working full time this semester, so
recent airplane progress has been zero. But I went flying last night with
friends for the first time in a while so my batteries are recharged.
I've been away from things for so long that I don't know where to start, but
was hoping a fellow 640 builder here would know where I might find a BOM for
the raw materials needed to build a 640.
If anyone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.
Thx,
-Matt
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
I've been off the list for several months, and was good to see one of my
customers first time I actually had time to study list. I get list in digest
form. Jeff Padden, glad you have your problem resolved,
For those who don't know me, any questions re flying ~AOA's etc. are my
speciality~ I sure don't know all the answers, but will attempt to find answers
to
those I don't know. I flew for a living for over 40 years (CFI for 43 years,
aircarrier for 19) just send me a note, if something I feel worthy for all
on list will post question & answer with your permission. As some of you know
I have replied off list to some comments made and hope to be able to help
others conduct safe flying procedures.
Elbie
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know,
If not let me know!
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall, President
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
360-260-0772 Phone & Fax
www.riteangle.com
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 601HDS forms, jigs and molds |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi guys,
I've just realized that I've got all the forms, jigs, some molds
and some special tooling for the 601HDS structure and
have no future use for it as I'm now flying. I don't see
the need for making a second plane.
I need to sell it all with one of my two spare engines.
The collection occupies a space about 3' x 4' x 8' and weighs a lot.
A couple of molds for the radiator I'll keep to make copies
yet spoken for, but to get space for this winters home improvement,
I'll also keep the plans and paper associated with my plane, which
is not for sale.
Anyone interested, let me know.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS - 601HDS (flying and looking forward to paint)
www.macsmachine.com
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
I built mine on a pool table with a 4 x 8 sheet of 1 inch ply on top. Level
as you can get it!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 912S Engine question.. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Bill, I am forwarding this to the Zenith list... full of knowledgeble
people....
Just finished a 701. 912S Rotax. I need some information.
Engine has about 6 hrs. Most of it on the ground. Aircraft climbs out
great (5000 rpms) About 5 sec after level off, the engine all but shuts
off. Maybe 3000 rpms. Sometimes not that much. I have been up 4 times.
The same every time. Has anyone else had the same trouble?
Bill Atkins
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Received-SPF: none (MAIL-SERVER.madbbs.com: domain of jeffpaden@madbbs.com
does not designate any permitted senders)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
I am just about ready to send the paper work to my local FSDO to get my
aircraft inspected.
Can anyone that has done this before tell me how long I should expect to
wait for them to come inspect my new baby?
Thanks
Jeff Paden
CH-640 99.9% complete FINALLY!
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Jeff
Have you called your FSDO? If they work like mine, they won't come out to do the
inspection. They will try to get you to get with a DAR. Then it will be whatever
you and the DAR can workout. The FAA has a page that deals with Homebuilts.
There is a list of DAR's on that page. Call several as some are more willing
to inspect homebuilts than others. They also charge whatever they want, so be
sure to discuss the fee.
Are there any other CH-640's flying or are you the first.
Randy Stout
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Paden <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
I am just about ready to send the paper work to my local FSDO to get my
aircraft inspected.
Can anyone that has done this before tell me how long I should expect to
wait for them to come inspect my new baby?
Thanks
Jeff Paden
CH-640 99.9% complete FINALLY!
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 912S Engine question.. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
This is very scary. Can it not be repeated on the ground where it is so
much safer?
I would:
1. Do a fuel flow test for a full 5 gallons of fuel. See how long it
takes to pass the 5 gallons at various aircraft attitudes using an
electric fuel pump while on the ground. Disconnect at the carbs and run
into an empty tank. Check the max flow requirement from the Rotax
manuals, and ensure you have a lot more than that.
2. Check for proper venting of your fuel tanks. Without proper venting
you may have created a vacuum in your fuel tanks and impede fuel flow.
Frank Jones
>Bill, I am forwarding this to the Zenith list... full of knowledgeble
>people....
>
>Just finished a 701. 912S Rotax. I need some information.
>
>Engine has about 6 hrs. Most of it on the ground. Aircraft climbs out
>great (5000 rpms) About 5 sec after level off, the engine all but
shuts
>off. Maybe 3000 rpms. Sometimes not that much. I have been up 4
times.
>The same every time. Has anyone else had the same trouble?
>
>Bill Atkins
>
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 912S Engine question.. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
Need more info....What happens after that! How are the carb vent hoses run?
How much time in climb?
Dave
912S
Just finished a 701. 912S Rotax. I need some information.
Engine has about 6 hrs. Most of it on the ground. Aircraft climbs out
great (5000 rpms) About 5 sec after level off, the engine all but shuts
off. Maybe 3000 rpms. Sometimes not that much. I have been up 4 times.
The same every time. Has anyone else had the same trouble?
Bill Atkins
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 1 year anniversary |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Hard to believe it has been exactly ONE YEAR since the crashing of N701US
into the neighbor's woods!!
As a journey to the past I have posted the crash pictures and NTSB memo on
http://CH701.com
For those who have joined the list since that unforunate tragedy, the
explanation and pictures of the little carb springs that caused the crash
are also detailed (click on picture)
I am about 70% done with the rebuild... and this time, I bought a pneumatic
riveter (pulled them all by hand first time) and with the help of many on
this list, I have formed many parts from scratch (easier when you built from
kit the first time!)
To all who have tragedies like this.. it is wonderful to know that you can
put it all back together again!
This list keeps my mental machinery in alignment to help get to the finish
line once more... thanks to all!
Jon
near Green Bay
do not archive
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912S Engine question.. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Where are your oil drain lines? Front or back?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
> Bill, I am forwarding this to the Zenith list... full of
knowledgeble
> people....
>
>
> Just finished a 701. 912S Rotax. I need some information.
>
> Engine has about 6 hrs. Most of it on the ground. Aircraft climbs
out
> great (5000 rpms) About 5 sec after level off, the engine all but
shuts
> off. Maybe 3000 rpms. Sometimes not that much. I have been up 4
times.
> The same every time. Has anyone else had the same trouble?
>
> Bill Atkins
>
>
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
> _-
=======================================================================
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 912S Engine question.. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ken Szewc <szewc@direcway.com>
Not much information to go on but it could be this.
Make sure you have not extended the carburetor bowl vent lines. The
older 701 manual says to do this, however if you do it will create a
vacuum and suck all of the fuel out of the carburetor bowls once you get
up to speed. This happened to a friend with a kitfox.
Ken Szewc
701SP 912S 65 hours
Getting ready to paint
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Croke
Subject: Zenith-List: 912S Engine question..
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Bill, I am forwarding this to the Zenith list... full of knowledgeble
people....
Just finished a 701. 912S Rotax. I need some information.
Engine has about 6 hrs. Most of it on the ground. Aircraft climbs out
great (5000 rpms) About 5 sec after level off, the engine all but shuts
off. Maybe 3000 rpms. Sometimes not that much. I have been up 4
times.
The same every time. Has anyone else had the same trouble?
Bill Atkins
==
==
==
==
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|