---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/19/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Re: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 (Benford2@aol.com) 2. 06:14 AM - Electric Pre-heaters (charles.long@gm.com) 3. 08:15 AM - Re: Engine heaters for winter (Frank Jones) 4. 08:17 AM - Re: Engine heaters for winter (Larry Landucci) 5. 08:30 AM - Re: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 6. 08:39 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 10/18/04 (Grant Corriveau) 7. 08:41 AM - 801 on mo-gas (Keystone Engineering LLC) 8. 11:32 AM - SLA regs () 9. 12:11 PM - Re: Electric Pre-heaters (cgalley) 10. 12:20 PM - Re: SLA regs (cgalley) 11. 12:45 PM - Re: SLA regs (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 12. 12:48 PM - Re: Electric Pre-heaters (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 13. 02:13 PM - Fly-In (John Williamson) 14. 02:27 PM - Looking for a part (gpjann@juno.com) 15. 02:31 PM - Re: Jeff Padden (EMAproducts@aol.com) 16. 06:34 PM - Re: 801 on mo-gas (Gary Craze) 17. 08:29 PM - Re: 601HDS forms, jigs and molds (Bob Reinero) 18. 08:45 PM - Re: Work Table (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 19. 08:51 PM - Re: 801 on mo-gas (F22clear@aol.com) 20. 09:15 PM - Re: CH 200 (Jim and Lucy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:32 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 10/18/2004 10:31:37 PM Mountain Daylight Time, garycraze@hotmail.com writes: > > Hi all, I'll be using an O-360 in the CH801 I'm building. > > With the way fuel prices keep rising, I'm interested in any feedback on > 360's with mogas. I had an STC on my Cessna 170 for mogas, and was > extremely pleased with the performance, but I don't have any knowledge > on a 360. I've heard of a few running "de-rated" to 170hp with mogas. > > Also, I'd like to say that while I appreciate the feedback, I'd like to > keep the topic to experiences with mogas on a O-360, and not a diatribe > on why you should / should not use mogas in an airplane. > > Many thanks in advance, > Gary Craze > Houston, TX > N801GC (reserved) > It's an experimental Gary. All ya got to do is set the ignition timing back a few degrees to prevent detonation and fly. We are not bound by certefied specs. An O -360 is sooo overbuilt and under utilized that it will perform good for you at. I would be willing to bet that even at 25 degrees or whatever that stock timing is it would not detonate using 91 octane auto fuel. Ben Haas N801BH ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Electric Pre-heaters From: charles.long@gm.com 20, 2004) at 10/19/2004 09:13:21 AM, Serialize complete at 10/19/2004 09:13:21 AM --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com The Jabiru website shows pictures of an electric pre-heater like the one you've described. Great idea. I'm building one just like the pictures. Parts are costing me about $40. Should only take only a few hours to put together and it will be customized to fit the bottom of my cowl. Gives peace of mind that you're not hurting your engine on those cold mornings. http://www.usjabiru.com/Tech%20Tips.htm#Pre%20Heating%20in%20Very%20Cold%20Weather Time: 12:53:07 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: Engine heaters for winter --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Hi guys, I've been looking at portable electric coil and fan heaters. These are 850 to 1500 W units that are all metal and have a thermostat and two-speed fan. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:38 AM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Engine heaters for winter --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" For those with the Rotax, there are in-line liquid heaters available. Mine works great, even at -25C. Frank Jones - 601XL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Engine heaters for winter From: Larry Landucci --> Zenith-List message posted by: Larry Landucci E-Z Heat Inc from Chetek, Wisconsin supplies a very nice thermostatically controlled convection/induction heater that is very efficient and consumes only 300 watts. Unfortunately, I think they are only available for Continental and Lycoming engines. Check the following website: www.e-zheat.com/ --Larry Landucci CH801, N801LL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Hello Gary, Here is a response I got from Dave Rogers at Superior engines on that very question I posed yesterday on their experimental version of their O360. Dear Frank, It is nice to hear from you again. About 25 years ago both Superior and Lycoming (TCM also) changed valve seat material to a harder alloy. This is back when the first discussions started about the availability of avgas in the future and how much lead would be allowed in avgas. The current seats that Superior uses do not have a problem with unleaded mogas and yes, the 3 year warranty on the XP-360 does cover the use of unleaded mogas. The only thing that applies to the use of mogas and our warranty is if there is some contamination in the mogas that effects the engine. The same would be true for avgas that is contaminated. Warranty applies to defects in material and workmanship. If it breaks for some other reason it might not be covered. Remember, our Vantage O/IO-360 Engine was certified this year by the FAA for 91 octane mogas and that engine has the same valve seats as our XP-360. Best Regards, Dave Rogers Technical Sales Superior Seems to me if you engine is not older than 25 years you should be OK...Either way is seems the harder seats are available should yours wear prematurely. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Craze Subject: Zenith-List: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" Hi all, I'll be using an O-360 in the CH801 I'm building. With the way fuel prices keep rising, I'm interested in any feedback on 360's with mogas. I had an STC on my Cessna 170 for mogas, and was extremely pleased with the performance, but I don't have any knowledge on a 360. I've heard of a few running "de-rated" to 170hp with mogas. Also, I'd like to say that while I appreciate the feedback, I'd like to keep the topic to experiences with mogas on a O-360, and not a diatribe on why you should / should not use mogas in an airplane. Many thanks in advance, Gary Craze Houston, TX N801GC (reserved) == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 10/18/04 From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > Anyone have difficulty with these inside a hangar to keep an > engine oil pan warm with temps that seldom go below zero? > > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS I've seen these either temporarily or permanantly installed beneath engine cowlings for winter overnight warming. fwiw they do the trick if it's not too cold, in which case more drastic heating is needed, such as a "Herman Nelson" preheater etc... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:58 AM PST US From: Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: 801 on mo-gas --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC Gary I'm running mine on 100 LL right now because I got a good price on my last batch of fuel. I ran super unleaded for the much of my first 60 hrs with no problems. I was not concerned because if it was a certified plane I could get an STC from Peterson to run super unleaded in my O-360A4J. http://www.webworksltd.com/autofuelstc/pa/ApprovedEngines.html In general in Alaska it does not get hot enough to worry about vapor lock. A hot day is in the high 70's. I did run 100LL occasionally just to lead up the valves like they say you should. Bill Wilcox N801BW Valdez, AK Time: 09:30:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Craze" Subject: Zenith-List: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" Hi all, I'll be using an O-360 in the CH801 I'm building. With the way fuel prices keep rising, I'm interested in any feedback on 360's with mogas. I had an STC on my Cessna 170 for mogas, and was extremely pleased with the performance, but I don't have any knowledge on a 360. I've heard of a few running "de-rated" to 170hp with mogas. Also, I'd like to say that while I appreciate the feedback, I'd like to keep the topic to experiences with mogas on a O-360, and not a diatribe on why you should / should not use mogas in an airplane. Many thanks in advance, Gary Craze Houston, TX N801GC (reserved) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:35 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: SLA regs Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:30:59 -0500 --> Zenith-List message posted by: If you think the FAA is doing us a favor, or making it easier, in regard to class III physicals, think again. The new rule in physicals is, "You must have one to not need one". After having gone through all the hoops to get two consecutive special issuances, both of which were done in their own sweet time (like 5 months) I put in for a third with no change to my cardiac condition. This time, with what can only be regarded as incredible alacrity, they refused to renew in only 10 working days. I will now have to put in for reconsideration, put together a package trying to convince them that I'm safe to fly, and hope for a lucky break. My advice is, if you have any sort of problem, let your physical lapse and say not another word to them. It is disheartening to know that someone who NEVER took a physical can have a serious heart attack tomorrow, partially recover, and fly with whatever diminished capability, while those of us who try to play by the rules, get screwed. If you think this is an isolated case, see this month's SportPilot, and read Bill Hagan's letter on Page 6. That the FAA would put out the SLA physical rule as written, is either a blatantly cynical abuse of bureaucratic power, or a most incredible show of ineptness. Any organization that can parse 10 pounds of regulations to nail you on some infinitesimal sub-sub-subparagraph surely could put together one simple concept without stumbling all over itself. If they really wanted to. I think we need to raise holy hell with them. OK, I've had my say, and I'm now on the FAA's bad guy list. It's up to them to prove me wrong. Paul Rodriguez DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:04 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electric Pre-heaters --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" For duct work, get an expanding length all alumnum dryer vent hose. They self hold their position. and they are fireproof. One can get several diameter to fit what ever out let and inlet you may have. I squared mine off to enter a square hole. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Electric Pre-heaters > --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com > > The Jabiru website shows pictures of an electric pre-heater like > the one you've described. Great idea. I'm building one just like the > pictures. Parts are costing me about $40. Should only take only a few > hours to put together and it will be customized to fit the bottom of my > cowl. Gives peace of mind that you're not hurting your engine on those > cold mornings. > > http://www.usjabiru.com/Tech%20Tips.htm#Pre%20Heating%20in%20Very%20Cold%20Weather > > Time: 12:53:07 PM PST US > From: "Larry McFarland" > Subject: Zenith-List: Engine heaters for winter > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > > Hi guys, > I've been looking at portable electric coil and fan > heaters. These are 850 to 1500 W units that are all metal and have > a thermostat and two-speed fan. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:55 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SLA regs --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" Another thing to beware of is to make sure that when you finish the testing of your experimental that you list the gross weight, stall, etc to fit SLA if that is the way you intend to fly it. Otherwise you can screw your self without help from the FAA. Cy Galley - Aeronca Aviators Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.aeronca.org Actively supporting Aeroncas every day ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: SLA regs > --> Zenith-List message posted by: > > If you think the FAA is doing us a favor, or making it easier, in regard to class III physicals, think again. The new rule in physicals is, "You must have one to not need one". After having gone through all the hoops to get two consecutive special issuances, both of which were done in their own sweet time (like 5 months) I put in for a third with no change to my cardiac condition. This time, with what can only be regarded as incredible alacrity, they refused to renew in only 10 working days. I will now have to put in for reconsideration, put together a package trying to convince them that I'm safe to fly, and hope for a lucky break. > My advice is, if you have any sort of problem, let your physical lapse and say not another word to them. It is disheartening to know that someone who NEVER took a physical can have a serious heart attack tomorrow, partially recover, and fly with whatever diminished capability, while those of us who try to play by the rules, get screwed. If you think this is an isolated case, see this month's SportPilot, and read Bill Hagan's letter on Page 6. > That the FAA would put out the SLA physical rule as written, is either a blatantly cynical abuse of bureaucratic power, or a most incredible show of ineptness. Any organization that can parse 10 pounds of regulations to nail you on some infinitesimal sub-sub-subparagraph surely could put together one simple concept without stumbling all over itself. If they really wanted to. > > I think we need to raise holy hell with them. > > OK, I've had my say, and I'm now on the FAA's bad guy list. It's up to them to prove me wrong. > > Paul Rodriguez > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: SLA regs From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" While I can certainly sympathise Paul I must say that the whole idea of a sport pilot not needing a physical is very very scary to me. Not to say that your refusal for no reason whatsover is acceptable behaviour ...It isn't and I'm sure some pen pusher somewhere either through neglect or pure pig headedness decided to make his or her bad day yours! Its not acceptable and precisely why folk have issues with beaurachracy (sp). On the other hand they can't be bothered to nail a certain Mayor you dug up the runway on a major GA airport in blatant violation of aviation law....What does that tell about working for the people? Anyway back to my point...When I went to Arlington the first year that "sport pilot" was being talked about, I was approached by several excited members of the non flying public who to be honest looked like they were about to die on the spot due to the poor shape they were in, asking me about building one of these! Now we are saying its ok for these folk to be pilots? Has anyone told these individuals just how stressful flying can be? If you think about it...With a fresh 20 hour ticket and a driver's license these people can take a poor unsuspecting PX flying....I'm a pilot don't ya know?, I just really think it's a poor idea. I note the FAA has decreed it can come back and deem certain medical conditions as not acceptable for a sport pilot and I really think the whole idea is a bit half baked to be honest. Zodiacs are not ultralights, they are real airplanes and they take skill concentration and they are as stressful as any other GA aircraft on the low end of the performance scale. I do hope you get your problem resolved but I wonder if the SP thing is going to go thru a few revisions. There might even be a few folk building aircraft that might not end up flying them because the rules changed in the mean time. This is all from the perspective of somone who has been fortunate enough not to need a waiver...yet. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PAULROD36@msn.com Subject: Zenith-List: SLA regs --> Zenith-List message posted by: If you think the FAA is doing us a favor, or making it easier, in regard to class III physicals, think again. The new rule in physicals is, "You must have one to not need one". After having gone through all the hoops to get two consecutive special issuances, both of which were done in their own sweet time (like 5 months) I put in for a third with no change to my cardiac condition. This time, with what can only be regarded as incredible alacrity, they refused to renew in only 10 working days. I will now have to put in for reconsideration, put together a package trying to convince them that I'm safe to fly, and hope for a lucky break. My advice is, if you have any sort of problem, let your physical lapse and say not another word to them. It is disheartening to know that someone who NEVER took a physical can have a serious heart attack tomorrow, partially recover, and fly with whatever diminished capability, while those of us who try to play by the rules, get screwed. If you think this is an isolated case, see this month's SportPilot, and read Bill Hagan's letter on Page 6. That the FAA would put out the SLA physical rule as written, is either a blatantly cynical abuse of bureaucratic power, or a most incredible show of ineptness. Any organization that can parse 10 pounds of regulations to nail you on some infinitesimal sub-sub-subparagraph surely could put together one simple concept without stumbling all over itself. If they really wanted to. I think we need to raise holy hell with them. OK, I've had my say, and I'm now on the FAA's bad guy list. It's up to them to prove me wrong. Paul Rodriguez DO NOT ARCHIVE == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:44 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Electric Pre-heaters From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I was thinking of turning my propane powered torpedo blast furnace heater into a preheater just like you described. The open flame is a little scary and in the end might prevent me from doing it but with a very small electrical circuit supply to the hangar I can't see how else to do it. I would feel convicted at using it to run a block heater with all the energy I was consuming...Hmmm. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cgalley Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electric Pre-heaters --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" For duct work, get an expanding length all alumnum dryer vent hose. They self hold their position. and they are fireproof. One can get several diameter to fit what ever out let and inlet you may have. I squared mine off to enter a square hole. Cy Galley - Chair, AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair A Service Project of Chapter 75 EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Electric Pre-heaters > --> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com > > The Jabiru website shows pictures of an electric pre-heater > like the one you've described. Great idea. I'm building one just > like the pictures. Parts are costing me about $40. Should only take > only a few hours to put together and it will be customized to fit the > bottom of my cowl. Gives peace of mind that you're not hurting your > engine on those cold mornings. > > http://www.usjabiru.com/Tech%20Tips.htm#Pre%20Heating%20in%20Very%20Cold %20Weather > > Time: 12:53:07 PM PST US > From: "Larry McFarland" > Subject: Zenith-List: Engine heaters for winter > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > > Hi guys, > I've been looking at portable electric coil and fan > heaters. These are 850 to 1500 W units that are all metal and have a > thermostat and two-speed fan. > > == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:54 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Zenith-List: Fly-In --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Are any Zenith flyers planning on taking their airplane to the 20th Annual Flying M Ranch Fly-In/Campout this weekend? Also known as the Reklaw, TX Fly-In. Dates are 22-24 October 2004. Info about the airfield can be found at: http://www.airnav.com/airport/7TA7 John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 697 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot Zenith CH701 Project http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for a part From: gpjann@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com The following is a description of a part which allows the Saf-Air Quick Drain fitting to be used with Del's oil pan: Aluminum or mild steel piece 1 1/2" long, consisting of a male threaded end 1/2" long, and a female threaded end 1" long. Male and female threads are 1/2" 20 SAE. I'm looking for someone who can make this piece for me. I'll need the piece by end of October. If interested please quote price. Thanks, Greg J. 770-277-1637 gpjann@juno.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:40 PM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jeff Padden --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com Jeff, Neil has the answer for sure, I've been in EAA so long it never occurs to me that some builders aren't! 40 years since I first flew to an EAA flyin~~Anyway contact EAA and ask who is the EAA tech counselor in your area. Call EAA hdqrs if you don't belong to an EAA chapter. try 1 800 843 3612 This could save you lots of $$ and time in the long run. Follow Neil's advice! Elbie EM Aviation, LLC www.riteangle.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Craze" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 801 on mo-gas --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" Many thanks to everyone for the feedback! It sounds like you can run mogas with no physical / tuning changes to the 360. This is what I liked about the O-300 in my Cessna 170. If I was around convenient and reliable mogas, I'd use it. If I was at an airport with only 100LL, I'd use that. Never saw any difference in performance. However,if I'm hearing right, a few degrees of timing reduction would be recommended to prevent detonation? (though I did not read that in Frank's email from Dave Rogers at Superior). It sounds like Superior says mogas is no problem, but do they tune it differently? Superior is at the top of my list for an "experimental version" of an O-360 anyways. I saw that GAMI announced a forthcoming new electronic ignition system called PRISM which would work like an automotive system to automatically adjust for different octane fuels (such as lower octane unleaded fuels) to automatically maximize performance. In any case, thanks a million for the feedback, Gary Craze Houston, TX N801GC (reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keystone Engineering LLC Subject: Zenith-List: 801 on mo-gas --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC --> Gary I'm running mine on 100 LL right now because I got a good price on my last batch of fuel. I ran super unleaded for the much of my first 60 hrs with no problems. I was not concerned because if it was a certified plane I could get an STC from Peterson to run super unleaded in my O-360A4J. http://www.webworksltd.com/autofuelstc/pa/ApprovedEngines.html In general in Alaska it does not get hot enough to worry about vapor lock. A hot day is in the high 70's. I did run 100LL occasionally just to lead up the valves like they say you should. Bill Wilcox N801BW Valdez, AK Time: 09:30:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Craze" Subject: Zenith-List: O-360 on mogas for my CH801 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" Hi all, I'll be using an O-360 in the CH801 I'm building. With the way fuel prices keep rising, I'm interested in any feedback on 360's with mogas. I had an STC on my Cessna 170 for mogas, and was extremely pleased with the performance, but I don't have any knowledge on a 360. I've heard of a few running "de-rated" to 170hp with mogas. Also, I'd like to say that while I appreciate the feedback, I'd like to keep the topic to experiences with mogas on a O-360, and not a diatribe on why you should / should not use mogas in an airplane. Many thanks in advance, Gary Craze Houston, TX N801GC (reserved) == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:58 PM PST US From: "Bob Reinero" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS forms, jigs and molds --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Reinero" Were are you located, and are they still available? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS forms, jigs and molds > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" > > Hi guys, > I've just realized that I've got all the forms, jigs, some molds > and some special tooling for the 601HDS structure and > have no future use for it as I'm now flying. I don't see > the need for making a second plane. > > I need to sell it all with one of my two spare engines. > The collection occupies a space about 3' x 4' x 8' and weighs a lot. > > A couple of molds for the radiator I'll keep to make copies > yet spoken for, but to get space for this winters home improvement, > > I'll also keep the plans and paper associated with my plane, which > is not for sale. > > Anyone interested, let me know. > > Larry McFarland - 601HDS - 601HDS (flying and looking forward to paint) > www.macsmachine.com > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:58 PM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Work Table --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com In a message dated 10/17/2004 6:48:47 AM Central Daylight Time, ansancle@townisp.com writes: >How critical is the whole flat and level workbench thing? >Essentially, I'm >thinking I'm going to build my table like I was building a model >railroad >table (which also has to be fairly flat and level) - probably 1x6 >L-stringers and an MDF top. > >However, I'm open to suggestions. > >Richard Perry Richard, Flat is very important. With the 701, there are 13 airfoils to build. They need to be free of twist,,, the flat surface of the work table is key. One fast and easy way is to use a new extension ladder, two sections, as the base with a plywood top screwed on. The ladder rails are straight and support the top to keep it flat. Level it when needed, as when the fuselage sections are joined. Any questions on this idea, contact me off line please. Jerry ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:31 PM PST US From: F22clear@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 on mo-gas --> Zenith-List message posted by: F22clear@aol.com yes Dan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:20 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH 200 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy You can get the back issues of the Zenair Newsleter from the current publisher. Their email address is sskrog@aol.com. My latest newsletter states that their is 144 issues altogether. The price is $105 US. They may be able to print the ones up to the point where they stopped discussing the older models. Jim Pollard At 05:38 PM 10/18/2004 +0800, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Cove" > > My name is Peter Cove residing in Western Australia.