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1. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: CH601XL nose wheel fork (Michel Therrien)
2. 04:53 AM - Fatal Crash of 601HDS (Andrew SanClemente)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: CH601XL nose wheel fork (Dave Kubassek)
4. 06:57 AM - Re: HD/HDS gear weight (Scott Laughlin)
5. 07:38 AM - Andrew SanClemente (Mark Townsend)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: Andrew SanClemente (Don Walker)
7. 08:24 AM - 601XL forward side skins (BillSewell@aol.com)
8. 08:54 AM - Re: Andrew SanClemente (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 09:31 AM - Re: 601XL forward side skins (bryanmmartin@comcast.net)
10. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: HD / HDS gear weight (Brandon Tucker)
11. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Re: HD / HDS gear weight (Scott Laughlin)
12. 11:53 AM - Honda (Roger Hurley)
13. 12:05 PM - Re: Tires (Richard McLachlan)
14. 12:16 PM - Re: Honda (Scott Laughlin)
15. 01:45 PM - Re: Andrew SanClemente (kevinbonds@comcast.net)
16. 02:36 PM - Re: Andrew SanClemente (Bill Howerton)
17. 03:47 PM - Re: Andrew SanClemente (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
18. 04:16 PM - N640JP first flight (Jeff Paden)
19. 06:11 PM - CH601XL nose wheel fork - doubler info (Jeff Small)
20. 06:26 PM - Re: Tires (Larry)
21. 06:44 PM - Fuel Senders (Paul Moore)
22. 07:29 PM - Re: Fuel Senders (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
23. 07:38 PM - Re: Andrew SanClemente (Mike Sinclair)
24. 08:35 PM - Re: N640JP first flight (Benford2@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: CH601XL nose wheel fork |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I would not think so... I believe that the XL uses a
real aircraft wheel, not the narrow wheel of the
previous models. (I used 600X6 wheels with 15X600X6
tires).
I am surprised as well that 6061-T6 is mandated... I
think it used to be 2024-T3. Mine is thicker and is
made with 6061-T6.
I looked at my construction web page and it appears
that I did not enjoy making doublers and I commented
that if I'd do it again, I'd use 5/16 or 3/8 flat bar
material (3/8 would make the fork about the same
weight as mine).
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chlandgear1.htm
Michel
--- Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell
> <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I am wondering if the 601 hd nosewheel doubler would
> fit. Zac may not have changed the dimensions on the
> XL. Perhaps someone with a 601hd could give us a
> measurement. Thanks Jack in Clovis CA
>
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
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| Subject: | Fatal Crash of 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente <ansancle@townisp.com>
The first flight of N166DK, my 601HDS with a stratus crashed shortly
after takeoff.
I was not piloting as an EAA flight advisor had decided to handle the
test flight. I am not stating his name here.
The aircraft was producing full thrust until impact but he was having
difficulty in control. Its unclear exactly what happened and I am not
going to speculate.
Im unsubscribing from the list and would appreciate not being
contacted off list either.
Its a difficult time and Im having a very hard time dealing with the
loss of the test pilot.
The only purpose of this email is a warning. No matter how careful
you are, and how many people check over your aircraft, things can
still go very wrong. Its a dangerous business we are in, I was a
careful builder that used the EAA technical advisor program
throughout and received high marks for my workmanship. This just
proves it only takes one thing, whatever that may be. So, please
think of this incident and use to ensure you focus and get help
whenever you need it. I didn't cut any corners and followed all the
rules and something still went wrong. I know there are many aircraft
that are being held together with duct tape and fly without a problem
- you just never know.
My time in aviation is over, but I hope the rest of you can learn
from this and make your hobby safer and more enjoyable.
God bless all of you and please be safe
Andy SanClemente
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| Subject: | Re: RE: CH601XL nose wheel fork |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
After doing a couple of circuits on the day of my test flyte(maybe a dozen
or so)
We noticed that the nose wheel seemed to be on a slight angle.
I have 50-75 take offs and landings on it now and it hasent changed.
I thought maybe because of the extra weight of the Ly.0235 that this was
causing the fork to lean somewhat.
Personally i find the Nose gear as to one of the areas in the XL that maybe
could have used a little more thought /beeffing up.
In the mean time i had my dad who has a machine shop press me out a new
one,(2 actually, 1 - 3/8" and another 1/2" thick )
One of these days when the spirit moves me, (this winter, between working on
my scratch build BearHawk Patrol :
))...)
I will change it.......(I will try the 3/8" one first)
I can ask him (if the interest is there), as to how much he would charge to
make them.???????
dave kubassek. C-FDSF . XL . o235 Lyc. 35 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Russell" <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: CH601XL nose wheel fork
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I am wondering if the 601 hd nosewheel doubler would fit. Zac may not have
changed the dimensions on the XL. Perhaps someone with a 601hd could give us
a measurement. Thanks Jack in Clovis CA
>
> rgeese1@columbus.rr.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
rgeese1@columbus.rr.com
>
> Just a thought--If anyone out there has the means to bend up 3/16" or 1/4"
nose wheel fork doublers and would be willing to offer them for sale, I
would be interested in purchasing a set. I too am concerned about the
strength of the single 3/16" fork supplied with the kit. I am just getting
started on construction, but am trying to look ahead a little.
>
>
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| Subject: | HD/HDS gear weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Brandon:
In comparison to the XL spring gear, I will tell you it is very heavy -
surprisingly heavy. My main gear is at a fab shop being bent and I'll weigh
it when I get it back. I wish I had put it on the scales before delivering
to the shop.
There must to be a better, lighter gear for this airplane, but I want to fly
it one day and have got to stop trying to improve the design. I suppose
that's why Czech Aircraft Works uses the composite spring gear.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
See Dec. '04 "Kitplanes" Page 31.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
I am looking for someone to weigh their gear legs, forks with doublers, and
bungees.
Brandon Tucker
HDS Corvair
working on center wing section
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Andrew SanClemente |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Andrew, our thoughts and hearts are with you in this time. IT is a very sad
reminder that we have all taken up a hobbie that has real ramifications on
our future, and those of others. I hope over time you can recover and move
on with your life and if at all possible when you are up to it, drop us a
note to let us know how your doing.
Take Care Andrew
We'll miss you.
Mark Townsend
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew SanClemente" <ansancle@townisp.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fatal Crash of 601HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
<ansancle@townisp.com>
>
> The first flight of N166DK, my 601HDS with a stratus crashed shortly
> after takeoff.
> I was not piloting as an EAA flight advisor had decided to handle the
> test flight. I am not stating his name here.
> The aircraft was producing full thrust until impact but he was having
> difficulty in control. Its unclear exactly what happened and I am not
> going to speculate.
> Im unsubscribing from the list and would appreciate not being
> contacted off list either.
> Its a difficult time and Im having a very hard time dealing with the
> loss of the test pilot.
> The only purpose of this email is a warning. No matter how careful
> you are, and how many people check over your aircraft, things can
> still go very wrong. Its a dangerous business we are in, I was a
> careful builder that used the EAA technical advisor program
> throughout and received high marks for my workmanship. This just
> proves it only takes one thing, whatever that may be. So, please
> think of this incident and use to ensure you focus and get help
> whenever you need it. I didn't cut any corners and followed all the
> rules and something still went wrong. I know there are many aircraft
> that are being held together with duct tape and fly without a problem
> - you just never know.
>
> My time in aviation is over, but I hope the rest of you can learn
> from this and make your hobby safer and more enjoyable.
> God bless all of you and please be safe
> Andy SanClemente
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andrew SanClemente |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:10:11 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Thanks for finding the words, Mark. My heart is there, too, Andrew. I have lost
two friends and two friendly acquaintances in the past 18 months in three crashes.
Prior to that my partner crashed our plane, in 1994 and didn't survive.
This is sobering...heartbreaking. The best to you as you struggle through this
time. Don Walker
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Townsend<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Andrew SanClemente
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>>
Andrew, our thoughts and hearts are with you in this time. IT is a very sad
reminder that we have all taken up a hobbie that has real ramifications on
our future, and those of others. I hope over time you can recover and move
on with your life and if at all possible when you are up to it, drop us a
note to let us know how your doing.
Take Care Andrew
We'll miss you.
Mark Townsend
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew SanClemente" <ansancle@townisp.com<mailto:ansancle@townisp.com>>
To: "Zenith List" <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fatal Crash of 601HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
<ansancle@townisp.com<mailto:ansancle@townisp.com>>
>
> The first flight of N166DK, my 601HDS with a stratus crashed shortly
> after takeoff.
> I was not piloting as an EAA flight advisor had decided to handle the
> test flight. I am not stating his name here.
> The aircraft was producing full thrust until impact but he was having
> difficulty in control. Its unclear exactly what happened and I am not
> going to speculate.
> Im unsubscribing from the list and would appreciate not being
> contacted off list either.
> Its a difficult time and Im having a very hard time dealing with the
> loss of the test pilot.
> The only purpose of this email is a warning. No matter how careful
> you are, and how many people check over your aircraft, things can
> still go very wrong. Its a dangerous business we are in, I was a
> careful builder that used the EAA technical advisor program
> throughout and received high marks for my workmanship. This just
> proves it only takes one thing, whatever that may be. So, please
> think of this incident and use to ensure you focus and get help
> whenever you need it. I didn't cut any corners and followed all the
> rules and something still went wrong. I know there are many aircraft
> that are being held together with duct tape and fly without a problem
> - you just never know.
>
> My time in aviation is over, but I hope the rest of you can learn
> from this and make your hobby safer and more enjoyable.
> God bless all of you and please be safe
> Andy SanClemente
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL forward side skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com
I am at the point in fuselage construction where the instructions become a
bit vague. In 6-b-11 The fuselage is leveled and critical angles for the
cabin floor and firewall are set. The center spar is installed and set to 81
degrees, which took a .040 shim under the rear flange as it did for a couple of
other builders on this list. I have clamped the front side skins to the
upper longerons overlapping the firewall at the bottom the specified 70mm. I
have marked the center spar cutouts on the side skins. I have marked the 60mm
cutoff line forward and parallel to the firewall.
I have the following questions:
1. Do I drill the skin to the upper longerons now?
2. Do I drill the skin to the firewall?
3. How do I hold the cabin floor sides to the firewall so I can overlap the
side skins on top of them
4. Should I install the rear frame channel before doing anything else with
the side skins?
Could someone please fill in the blanks for me as to the building sequence
to get the side skins installed.
Thanks,
Bill Sewell
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| Subject: | Andrew SanClemente |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Andrew, I'm stunned! I don't believe for a moment that you cut any
corners as you were always open to seeking the best advice. Hang in
there.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Walker
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Andrew SanClemente
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Thanks for finding the words, Mark. My heart is there, too, Andrew. I
have lost two friends and two friendly acquaintances in the past 18
months in three crashes. Prior to that my partner crashed our plane, in
1994 and didn't survive.
This is sobering...heartbreaking. The best to you as you struggle
through this time. Don Walker
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Townsend<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Andrew SanClemente
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend"
<601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>>
Andrew, our thoughts and hearts are with you in this time. IT is a
very sad
reminder that we have all taken up a hobbie that has real
ramifications on
our future, and those of others. I hope over time you can recover and
move
on with your life and if at all possible when you are up to it, drop
us a
note to let us know how your doing.
Take Care Andrew
We'll miss you.
Mark Townsend
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew SanClemente"
<ansancle@townisp.com<mailto:ansancle@townisp.com>>
To: "Zenith List"
<zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Zenith-List: Fatal Crash of 601HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew SanClemente
<ansancle@townisp.com<mailto:ansancle@townisp.com>>
>
> The first flight of N166DK, my 601HDS with a stratus crashed shortly
> after takeoff.
> I was not piloting as an EAA flight advisor had decided to handle
the
> test flight. I am not stating his name here.
> The aircraft was producing full thrust until impact but he was
having
> difficulty in control. Its unclear exactly what happened and I am
not
> going to speculate.
> Im unsubscribing from the list and would appreciate not being
> contacted off list either.
> Its a difficult time and Im having a very hard time dealing with the
> loss of the test pilot.
> The only purpose of this email is a warning. No matter how careful
> you are, and how many people check over your aircraft, things can
> still go very wrong. Its a dangerous business we are in, I was a
> careful builder that used the EAA technical advisor program
> throughout and received high marks for my workmanship. This just
> proves it only takes one thing, whatever that may be. So, please
> think of this incident and use to ensure you focus and get help
> whenever you need it. I didn't cut any corners and followed all the
> rules and something still went wrong. I know there are many aircraft
> that are being held together with duct tape and fly without a
problem
> - you just never know.
>
> My time in aviation is over, but I hope the rest of you can learn
> from this and make your hobby safer and more enjoyable.
> God bless all of you and please be safe
> Andy SanClemente
>
>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL forward side skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: bryanmmartin@comcast.net
If I recall correctly, I used the wing jigs to install the rear frame channel at
this point and then removed the jig from one side to install the side skin to
that side. Then I reinstalled the jig on the first side and repeated the procedure
for the other side. I used nylon straps to hold the floor and side skins
to the firewall while I driled them out. I wrapped the straps around the fuselage
just behind the firewall.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com
>
> I have the following questions:
> 1. Do I drill the skin to the upper longerons now?
> 2. Do I drill the skin to the firewall?
> 3. How do I hold the cabin floor sides to the firewall so I can overlap the
> side skins on top of them
> 4. Should I install the rear frame channel before doing anything else with
> the side skins?
>
> Could someone please fill in the blanks for me as to the building sequence
> to get the side skins installed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Sewell
>
>
>
>
>
>
If I recall correctly, I used the wing jigs to install the rear frame channel at
this point and then removed the jig from one side to install the side skinto
that side. Then I reinstalled the jig on the first side and repeated the procedure
for the other side. I used nylon straps to hold the floor and sideskins
to the firewall while I driled them out. I wrapped the straps around the fuselage
just behind the firewall.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In phase I testing.
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: BillSewell@aol.com
I have the following questions:
1. Do I drill the skin to the upper longerons now?
2. Do I drill the skin to the firewall?
3. How do I hold the cabin floor sides to the firewall so I can overlap the
side skins on top of them
4. Should I install the rear frame channel before doing anything else with
the side skins?
Could someone please fill in the blanks for me as to the building sequence
to get the side skins installed.
Thanks,
Bill Sewell
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| Subject: | RE: RE: HD / HDS gear weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Scott,
There is a better way. The gear designed for the
XL is bent 6061 and HUGE. The Grove gear is heat
treated 2024 aluminum, and much smaller and lighter.
I would love to know your gear weight, and will submit
a full report to the list on the weight differences
between the XL gear, HD bungee system, Grove gear,
nosewheel vs tailwheel, and even the composite gear,
if I can get an actual weight from Chip Erwin.
R/
Brandon Tucker
__________________________________
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| Subject: | RE: RE: HD / HDS gear weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Thanks Brandon. I'll get back to you with the weight.
do not archive
----Original Message Follows----
From: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Scott,
I would love to know your gear weight, and will submit
a full report to the list on the weight differences
between the XL gear, HD bungee system, Grove gear,
nosewheel vs tailwheel, and even the composite gear,
if I can get an actual weight from Chip Erwin.
R/
Brandon Tucker
hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Hurley" <drhurley@onetel.com>
Does anyone on this list have a CAM/Honda engine in a 601, or can point me directly
at anyone who may have?
All leads appreciated.
Regards
Roger Hurley
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
If it is of any comfort, we have twice landed our CH601HDS with a completely
flat (tubed) tyre on one main wheel. Other than the need for a boot full of
rudder to keep straight, it handled fine and gently rolled to a halt.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Lucy" <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tires
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
>
> Some motorcycles tires were tube type and some were both.
> You were not supposed to use tubes in some tubeless tires
> because they would get hot and possibly fail the tube or
> tyre. Now in order to get hot you had to drive a fair distance.
> You are not going to travel very far across the pavement in
> a zodiac. Not like a boat trailer going 70 mph for hours and
> hours. Maybe this is why they think they are ok for these
> aircraft wheels with tubes. Like putting a 30 ply aircraft
> tire on a transport truck. Blows to bits in an hour. But put
> it on a farm wagon with twice the weight on it and it lasts
> forever (almost) ...heat .
>
> Jim
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
That would be Grant Corriveau. You can see a photo of his fine craft at:
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=Grant&action=display&private=1&
He frequents this list so he may reply to you. Email is:
grantc@ca.inter.net
Good luck,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Roger Hurley" <drhurley@onetel.com>
Does anyone on this list have a CAM/Honda engine in a 601, or can point me
directly at anyone who may have?
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Andrew SanClemente |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
Wow. . .very Sobering. . .I'll be thinking about Andrews email when time comes
to make my first flight. We should all take a lesson from this tragedy and make
sure we don't kid ourselves into thinking it can never happen to us.
To Andrew
I think I can speak for all when I say. . . our thoughts are with you and those
involved. Please don't unsubscibe. . .at least till you can share more about
the causes so that we can all try and avoid the same troubles during our test
flights.
You are right this is a dangerous business we are in. Please try not to blame yourself.
I'm sure someone as committed to aviation as this pilot must have been
(to be a Flight Advisor) knew of the possible dangers himself. We placard our
planes as Experimental for a reason. . . because they are just that . . . Experimental.
. . . . . .Just try and keep things into perspective in that way.
Your email has really made me stop and think about these things. Hopefully one
day you can find your way back to aviation.
Kevin Bonds
601XL plans-built
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Wow. . .very Sobering. . .I'll be thinking about Andrews email when time comes
to make my first flight. We should all take a lesson from this tragedy and make
sure we don't kid ourselves into thinking it can never happen to us.
To Andrew
I think I can speak for all when I say. . .our thoughts are with you and those
involved. Please don't unsubscibe. . .at least till you can share more about the
causes so that we can all try and avoid the sametroubles during our test flights.
You are right this is a dangerous business we are in. Please try not to blame yourself.
I'm sure someone as committed to aviation as this pilot must have been
(to be a Flight Advisor) knew of the possible dangers himself. We placard our
planes as Experimental for a reason. . . because they are just that . . . Experimental.
. . . . . .Just try and keepthings into perspective in that way. Your
email has really made me stop and think about these things. Hopefully one
day you can find your way back to aviation.
Kevin Bonds
601XL plans-built
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| Subject: | Re: Andrew SanClemente |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
To say that this is a truly sad day would be a gross understatement. Andrew
if you are still around please accept my most profound condolences for you
and the test pilot and his family. For those interested, here is a link to
the story regarding the crash in the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/10/27/pilot_dead_in_leominster_plane_crash/
Bill
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| Subject: | Andrew SanClemente |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks Bill,
I did take the liberty of offering a correctom to the report...i.e about
the bit where they said it was an "ultralight". I also pointed out this
design of airplane has a substantial safety record.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Howerton
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Andrew SanClemente
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
To say that this is a truly sad day would be a gross understatement.
Andrew
if you are still around please accept my most profound condolences for
you
and the test pilot and his family. For those interested, here is a link
to
the story regarding the crash in the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/10/27/pilot
_dead_in_leominster_plane_crash/
Bill
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| Subject: | N640JP first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
The DAR inspected my aircraft today and issued the airworthy certificate.
I decided to go ahead with the test flight today since it was a perfect day
for it.
She flew GREAT except for a very heavy left wing. I think I know what I did
wrong so I am going to check the wings to see if I have the rear of the left
wing lower than the right wing. I think it is off by about 3 degrees. If
this does not do the trick then I guess I will have to add a trim tab to the
right aileron.
Jeff Paden
CH-640 FLYING!
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| Subject: | CH601XL nose wheel fork - doubler info |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>Just a thought--If anyone out there has the means to bend up 3/16" or 1/4" nose
wheel fork doublers and would be willing to offer them for sale, I would be
interested in purchasing a set.
+++ Sure is someone - Zenith. If they supplied the doublers with the HDS and the
later HD kits then they still have 'em.
+++ I'm surprised one of you XL builders hasn't been on the phone to Nick to report
what must be an oversight when the Xl plans were drawn. Tell him you want
a doubler for the front fork and they will certainly ship one to you.
+++Jack, My plans only show the fork for all three gear legs, not the doubler.
These plans are for the 1998 era HD with an addendum for the HDS I built.
In the addendum on a page marked 6L1-2 there is part 6L1-3HD "GEAR FORK DOUBLER
for CH601HD, and HDS."
If the doublers were not on the "big" plans but only on the HDS addendum, Zenith
may have overlooked including them on the XL, an a/c that will bear more weight
on the front gear than almost all HD's or HDS models.
The piece fits over top of the fork and has a side length of ~150mm and ~410mm
dl which I believe means "developed length." Thickness is 3/16 inch for doubler.
Couldn't find any more for you.
tailwinds jeff
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
I guess that's comforting, but it doesn't change the fact that the
manufacturer intends for the tires marked "tube type" to use a tube. It's
pretty simple, this sport is not horse shoes, close don't count. There are
lots of things you can get away with, but why risk it? To save $20!!! It
ain't worth it.
Did your tube type tires have tubes in them or were they the new tube type
tubeless tires? You were just lucky, if you had been landing in a rough
field with a flat, it could have been a different story and not a good one.
Oh well, I'm done, stick a fork in me. Larry N1345L
--- Original Message -----
From: "Richard McLachlan" <richard@rodsley.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tires
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard McLachlan"
<richard@rodsley.net>
>
> If it is of any comfort, we have twice landed our CH601HDS with a
completely
> flat (tubed) tyre on one main wheel. Other than the need for a boot full
of
> rudder to keep straight, it handled fine and gently rolled to a halt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Lucy" <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tires
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
> >
> > Some motorcycles tires were tube type and some were both.
> > You were not supposed to use tubes in some tubeless tires
> > because they would get hot and possibly fail the tube or
> > tyre. Now in order to get hot you had to drive a fair distance.
> > You are not going to travel very far across the pavement in
> > a zodiac. Not like a boat trailer going 70 mph for hours and
> > hours. Maybe this is why they think they are ok for these
> > aircraft wheels with tubes. Like putting a 30 ply aircraft
> > tire on a transport truck. Blows to bits in an hour. But put
> > it on a farm wagon with twice the weight on it and it lasts
> > forever (almost) ...heat .
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Question for the list:
Does anyone have any of the capacitance fuel senders to measure the
thickness of the top portion of the unit - i.e. the clearance required
between the tank and the nose skin? None of the vendors seem to post that
information for easy access.
Also, an archive search didn't give me much but there were a few references
to making bubble covers for top mounted senders. Has this been necessary
for the cap. type senders in addition to the resistance/float VDO standard
ZAC supplied types?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
The new XL plans have the fuel sender unit mounted on the end of the tank,
not the top. I'd prefer to have it on the top...seems like the best place for
it...but mounting it on the end eliminates the problem of too little clearance
underneath the nose skin.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Andrew SanClemente |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
My condolences to the family of the test pilot also. However, I read the article
and immediately seen red.
The remarks from the "mayor" who wanted an independent investigation and the "citizen"
who complained that
it happened in their backyard really lit my fuse. Talk about total ignorance on
the part of a higher placed
person in the community and just plain ignorance from the other, and total stupidity
on the part of a news
organization that would publish that kind of crap! Just what we need for aviation,
I'm sure their jobs are
just important to the modern world, and that their profession does as much to advance
technology and keep
the world moving. Let's see now, what exactly does the mayor do? It's hard to have
a clear vision of the
world when your head is up you know where.
Sorry, just had to unload
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Bill Howerton wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> To say that this is a truly sad day would be a gross understatement. Andrew
> if you are still around please accept my most profound condolences for you
> and the test pilot and his family. For those interested, here is a link to
> the story regarding the crash in the Boston Globe:
>
> http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/10/27/pilot_dead_in_leominster_plane_crash/
>
> Bill
>
> _-
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| Subject: | Re: N640JP first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/2004 5:17:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
jeffpaden@madbbs.com writes:
<<
The DAR inspected my aircraft today and issued the airworthy certificate.
I decided to go ahead with the test flight today since it was a perfect day
for it.
She flew GREAT except for a very heavy left wing. I think I know what I did
wrong so I am going to check the wings to see if I have the rear of the left
wing lower than the right wing. I think it is off by about 3 degrees. If
this does not do the trick then I guess I will have to add a trim tab to the
right aileron.
Jeff Paden
CH-640 FLYING! >>
Congrats to you...... It will take a few days for that ZAC grin to wear off
your face.
Ben Haas N801BH
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