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1. 12:02 AM - Re: N640JP first flight (Benford2@aol.com)
2. 12:08 AM - Fw: Zeniyh-List: Re: CH601 XL nose wheel fork (burylhill)
3. 12:33 AM - Re: Re: N640JP first flight (Jeff Paden)
4. 03:17 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Senders (Mel Hinde)
5. 04:35 AM - Wing incidence comparison. (Was N640JP first flight) (Michel Therrien)
6. 04:39 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab ()
7. 04:53 AM - Mods on C-GZGQ (Michel Therrien)
8. 05:16 AM - More fuel sender stuff.... (Zed Smith)
9. 06:22 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Larry)
10. 06:54 AM - Re: Fuel Senders (Jim Pensinger)
11. 06:54 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Aaron)
12. 07:00 AM - Re: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. (Dave Austin)
13. 07:04 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Dave Austin)
14. 08:00 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Mike Fothergill)
15. 08:01 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Gig Giacona)
16. 09:29 AM - Kit project wanted (Joe Scheibinger)
17. 09:29 AM - GPS plug? (Grant Corriveau)
18. 10:04 AM - Re: GPS plug? (Frank Stutzman)
19. 11:25 AM - Re: GPS plug? (Gary Craze)
20. 11:34 AM - Re: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
21. 11:41 AM - CAM/Honda (Roger Hurley)
22. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: N640JP first flight (Lance Gingell)
23. 03:36 PM - Re: GPS plug? (Jim and Lucy)
24. 05:15 PM - Beautiful 701 (Rick)
25. 05:31 PM - Re:Dzus fasteners (Jim Frisby)
26. 06:25 PM - HD wing assembly guide (Trevor Page)
27. 06:50 PM - Re: HD wing assembly guide (Randy Stout)
28. 06:50 PM - Re: HD wing assembly guide (Randy Stout)
29. 06:58 PM - Re: GPS plug? (Michel Therrien)
30. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: N640JP first flight (Jeff Paden)
31. 09:20 PM - Priming Aluminum (Matt & Jo)
32. 09:44 PM - Re: Re:Dzus fasteners (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
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| Subject: | Re: N640JP first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 10/28/2004 8:00:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
jeffpaden@madbbs.com writes:
>
> HEHEHE you are correct. sorry, I did not read his reply to my post
> correctly. He said left wing and I was talking about the right wing so yes,
> we were both saying the same thing. To many long days with no sleep I guess
> <grin>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
It's that first flight thing ya know ........ Oh what a feeling..
do not archive
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| Subject: | Fw: Zeniyh-List: RE: CH601 XL nose wheel fork |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "burylhill" <bus@commspeed.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: burylhill
Subject: Fw: Zeniyh-List: RE: CH601 XL nose wheel fork
----- Original Message -----
From: burylhill
Subject: Re: Zeniyh-List: RE: CH601 XL nose wheel fork
Jack: My 601 HD fork doubler measures 100mm deep X 150mm Down the side. 35mm between
the U. Drawings show 410mm Developed Length. I think the whole metal length
before the bend ( R15mm ) is 410mm X 100mm.
The Factory demo 601 XL bent the nose gear on the way to Copperstate. Nick would
know what they at the factory to fix it.
Good Luck Buryl Hill 601 HD Sedona az.
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| Subject: | Re: N640JP first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Yes, the left wing was VERY VERY heavy. I had to hold almost full right
aileron just to keep her from turning left. It was very scarry but I
managed to get her on the ground same and sound. Now that I have moved the
right wing she is fine. I have not set up the riteangle system and I
disconnected the audio for now because I needed to have it turned on to see
the flaps position. I sure wish there was a way to set the flaps up with
out the darn thing announcing that there is a setup error. Oh well, once I
am more at ease with the aircraft then I can set up the riteangle system
correctly.
The DAR was very conserned with how the riteangle system is mounted but so
far it is holding up very well. It feels loose when you grab it and move it
around, but I have a doubler that is connected to a wing rib and to the
bottom wing skin and that is where the RiteAngle system is mounted so I am
sure it is not going to go anywhere.
Jeff
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From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
N640JP first flight
Jeff,
Congrats! Know you are glad this is completed! I really doubt if you are
off 3 degrees on that wing, I think that would make a very very heavy wing.
I
thought you built it that way so you wouldn't have to hold so much Rt Rudder
with all that power during climbout :-) Now you have to quit smiling!!
Glad to hear you are in the air~
Let me know if you have any questions on the RiteAngle set-up.
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mel Hinde" <mhinde@museumproductions.ca>
Paul,
Would not advise connecting two tanks together. My 801 was built with the
two inboards connected and the two outboards connected together as per the
ZAC instructions. I was continually getting air bubbles in one line or the
other and it would empty one tank and then suck air. Whichever tank wasn't
empty would then be unusable. At first I put a positive pressue vent into
the caps and it helped, but didn't completely solve the problem. The little
tank (mixer) that ZAC supplied in the kit to mount under the seats, one for
inboard and one for outboard tanks, has an air space in the top (trap??) and
it continues to feed air back into the lines when the engine is shut down.
Obviously, these gather at any high spot or in front of the elbows and
create an air lock. Even on the ground for days the tanks do not equalize.
Had to put individual line valves in all four lines. When I switch to a
tank that has air in the line, gas flows fine but the air bubbles come back
after I switch that tank off. I had installed four gas gauges, fortunately
so can monitor the levels. To complicate things, the mechanical pump has a
return line to tank one of one third of the fuel drawn, so have to
continually switch to tank one to keep it from overflowing and then back to
one of the others. Nightmare.
HINDE, Mel
CH801, Walter LOM 337B, c/s prop
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Senders
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" <pmoore505@msn.com>
>
> Thanks for all the great advise!
>
> I don't like the extra cost of the capacitance senders but figure less
> trouble in the long run, much easier setting up and no moving parts.
>
> Scott, did you have to work at making sure your tanks were low against the
> bottom of the nose skin or simply centered top to bottom on the spar?
>
> Zed, thanks for the 20mm.....exactly the dimension I needed. Now I can
make
> up a +/- 25mm puck blank and "play" with the skins without first chopping
up
> my tanks. I may still go with the side mount and bendable probes (like
> yours, Ron) so I can access the calibration buttons through the finger
> screen access covers.....
>
> For plumbing four leading edge tanks in an XL, has anyone tried tying the
> two mains together on one valve position, the two aux on another, so a
pair
> would feed together - both mains or both aux - with only one tank in each
> pair gauged? Seems there's less risk of losing track of which tank you're
> switched to - only two positions to choose, main or aux, cuts cost of
> senders and gauges in half...and you would still rely primarily on
visually
> monitoring pre-takeoff tank levels and fuel burn for actual planning and
> switching. Added benefit of inherent fuel balancing across the wings. I
> see some gotchas but would like to hear if anyone has tried it or thinks
it
> could work. It would always be easy to split them back out at the
selector
> valve if feed problems arose, but lack of senders in the 'other' tanks
would
> then be an issue.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Paul
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing incidence comparison. (Was N640JP first flight) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I explained what I did a few days ago for correcting
the problem. One thing I did not explained is how I
took level measurement... this may be interesting for
some; so here it is.
I used a 4 foot level to which I installed plastic
blocs. The blocs align with the front spar and the
rear Z. I then tapped the blocs for 3/16 screws and
installed no 10 SS screw in each bloc (one is longer
and I don't remember which one).
I position the modified level underneath the wing,
vertical, the screws being exacltly in line with the
rivet lines of the wing. I adjust the screws to get
perfect level.
Then, it is easy to compare with the other wing and
see what correction needs to be made. I also compared
with my center wing.
After doing it this way, I corrected the left wing by
nearly 1/4"! That made a huge difference.
This level can also be used to measure wing incidence.
On the HD wing, if I remember, there is 25mm
difference in height of the rear end of the rear rib
compared with the front end. Use this, and use the
difference of screw heights on the level to determine
the slope. Incidence is the arcsine of height divided
by the distance between the two screws.
Finally, I used the level to confirm I had no twist in
the center wing and the wings. Simply check level at
various places (outboard, center, inboard) under both
wings and at the two ends of the centerwing.
Michel
--- Jeff Paden <jeffpaden@madbbs.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden"
> <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> Yes, the left wing was VERY VERY heavy. I had to
> hold almost full right
> aileron just to keep her from turning left. It was
> very scarry but I
> managed to get her on the ground same and sound.
> Now that I have moved the
> right wing she is fine. I have not set up the
> riteangle system and I
> disconnected the audio for now because I needed to
> have it turned on to see
> the flaps position. I sure wish there was a way to
> set the flaps up with
> out the darn thing announcing that there is a setup
> error. Oh well, once I
> am more at ease with the aircraft then I can set up
> the riteangle system
> correctly.
>
> The DAR was very conserned with how the riteangle
> system is mounted but so
> far it is holding up very well. It feels loose when
> you grab it and move it
> around, but I have a doubler that is connected to a
> wing rib and to the
> bottom wing skin and that is where the RiteAngle
> system is mounted so I am
> sure it is not going to go anywhere.
>
> Jeff
>
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <kkinney@fuse.net>
If you're interested in an aileron trim tab, I believe you could retrofit it, though
it will probably be easier if you take the aileron off.
As for running the cable, you could probably do as Nick recommends for the elevator
trim cable; Use nylon Adel clamps to run it along the rear channel until
you reach the fuse.
Just a thought,
Kevin Kinney
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I know some of you take ideas from my web site when
building their aircraft. Here is a few things that
are not up to date on the web site.
Cooler: I removed the oil cooler. While it was very
efficient, the oil did not come warm enough (160
only). I used Castrol Syntech 5-50W oil and I don't
fear being in the 200s. Removing the cooler increased
temperature to 180-210... which I think is better.
BTW, if you need it, the small Supercooler is great.
The socketless aeroquip hoses are easy to assemble and
seem to be of good quality (they have two versions,
racing and industrial... the latter one being cheaper
for the same quality--according to the representative
I met).
Breather/oil separator: I used to have a little
electrical box I made to separate the oil and air...
the box was mounted on the cyl. head. Well, one day,
after my pilot flew with my instructor for 2 hours in
turbulences. The cowling was full of oil. It was a
real mess! I removed that piece of crap and installed
the ACS breather/separator. It is attached to my
radiator at the highest level possible and it does a
great job. One day, I want to pack it with scrubber
so it condensates oil from the vapours (there is oil
under the fuselage).
Trim: I enlarged the elevator trim.
Carburetor: this week, I modified the jetting of my
Holley 5200 carburator so it delivers a richer
mixture. It seems to do its job right now. This is
surprising that I had to do this considering that this
was a new (reman) carburetor... I presume that the
characteristics of my engine are different from those
of a Mustan 2.3L engine....?
Exhaust: The exhaust pipe broke early during test
flights. It was two straight pipes joined together
with a center tube (and flexible "thing"). I cut the
center pipe out as I believed it contributed to the
problem. I reduced the lenght of my two straight
pipes. And later, I installed 3-inch Supertrapp
mufflers. It is still noisy in the cabin, but
apparently, I make less noise than a Cessna now! And
these "bolt-on" mufflers are only one pound each!!!
They can be tuned by adding or removing discs. I use
7 discs on each side.
What's next?
- I would like to stop being a mechanics and become
more of a pilot. Running lean has caused me a series
of problems with the cylinder head valves. I'm
changing cyl. heads again today.
- canopy arm gas springs. While I have the strongest
ones, they are only marginal due to the opening angle
of my canopy (I cannot get the 67 degree angle... I
only get 45). I need to find another way of mounting
gas springs.
- monitoring. I would like to monitor manifold
pressure and fuel flow... but that's for later when I
have a job to pay for these gadgets.
- painting. While it is obvious that a lighter plane
flies better... to me, itis not completed until it is
painted.
- weight reduction. Making a new canopy with lighter
frame, modifying landing gear, going with a two-blade
propellor, removing some gadgets, simplifying
electrical system could all contribute to reducing
weight. I estimate that I could save approx 40 lbs if
I do everything I think of. The problem, however,
could be the repositionning of the battery for the new
CG.
That's all I can think of at this time.
Michel
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | More fuel sender stuff.... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
One thing you might consider when selecting and installing the sender,
either mechanical or electronic, is access to the unit afterwards.
Most all of these Mach-plus machines have exposed fuel tank filler caps,
so you might look at a "domed" cover over the sender. Allows room to
mount the unit and doesn't stick up any more than the filler neck.
A small chromed cat feeding bowl from the local pet store, when inverted,
fits nicely. Four or five A4 rivets will secure it. It is much more "aerodynamic"
than the filler cap and a properly placed rubber plug allows calibration of
the "zero" and "span" on the electonic version without removal of the dome.
My hangar cat, "Miss Galore", doesn't mind now being fed in another dish.
Zed/701/R912/90+% and moving right along
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
If you have wing tanks, burn down the right tank or don't put as much in it
or keep the left one full. Or don't fly fat guys, Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> This is why I love this list so much. I have a few thoughts about aileron
> trim tabs so I'd like to ask everyone on the list to let me know your
> opinion please.
>
> First, I now have my aircraft so that it flies level. However that is
with
> me flying alone. What happens later when I put a 200 lb passenger in the
> co-pilot seat? I have a feeling that when I do that the aircraft will
want
> to roll to the right a bit.
>
> So, my question is this, shouldn't the aircraft have been designed with an
> aileron trim system?
> And now that I have already closed up my wings and painted the aircraft
does
> anyone have any good ideas
> for an in-flight or ground adjustable trim tab for the ailerons?
>
> I have read in the archives about the fixed trim tab and I had one of
those
> on my CH300. I was not impressed and since it could not be adjusted I
found
> that when I had passengers I had to hold the stick to the left a bit.
>
> Any and all comments will be appreciated.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jeff Paden
> CH-640 FLYING!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Senders |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pensinger" <jim@pensinger.net>
I will also have the 4 tank option in my XL My concern is the weight of the
"unusable" fuel remaining in the tanks. This also negates by several
gallons the extra fuel advantage.
My proposed solution is to keep the ZAC 4 way fuel switch and 4 fuel gauges
but fit inline electric pumps (with check valves) between the outboard tanks
and the main tanks. These can be used to pump the aux tanks dry without the
danger of trying to run the engine on air.
Any comments are appreciated.
Jim Pensinger
601XL
100% done in mind
Picking up kit in November
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
I am planning to use a two position aileron trim tab. One position for pilot
only and one for 2 people. Simply a bracket w/ 2 holes. Adjust on the ground
before flight. Don't think it can get simpler or lighter than that.
Aaron
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Johann (and Mike,
I measured the thickness of the panels being attached at each stud location,
with a micrometer, and then used the table in the Spruce cat. to determine
the lengths and springs needed. The f-glass panels do vary in thickness.
If you use the washers you need to add in their thickness as well.
Then I ordered two spare studs of each length and two spare springs of each
dimension just in case!
The dzus size I used needed 1/8 inch rivets.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
Jeff,
I installed an electric trim tab in the stbd aileron and would not be
without it. A passenger will certainly make you have to hold the stick to
compensate, which would be very tiring on any length of flight.
The wiring would be a bit difficult to install, but well worth it.
MHO.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill <mfothergill@sympatico.ca>
Hi Jeff;
I retrofitted a Mac aileron trim after the first month of flying my then
new 601.
Mike
UHS Spinners
Jeff Paden wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> This is why I love this list so much. I have a few thoughts about aileron
> trim tabs so I'd like to ask everyone on the list to let me know your
> opinion please.
>
> First, I now have my aircraft so that it flies level. However that is with
> me flying alone. What happens later when I put a 200 lb passenger in the
> co-pilot seat? I have a feeling that when I do that the aircraft will want
> to roll to the right a bit.
>
> So, my question is this, shouldn't the aircraft have been designed with an
> aileron trim system?
> And now that I have already closed up my wings and painted the aircraft does
> anyone have any good ideas
> for an in-flight or ground adjustable trim tab for the ailerons?
>
> I have read in the archives about the fixed trim tab and I had one of those
> on my CH300. I was not impressed and since it could not be adjusted I found
> that when I had passengers I had to hold the stick to the left a bit.
>
> Any and all comments will be appreciated.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jeff Paden
> CH-640 FLYING!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox-internet.com>
The trim tab as designed by Zenith for the 601Xl should be easly added post
construction. It won't be as easy as it was with the Aileron off the plane
but it still shouldn't be that hard.
If you installed the electric pitch trim the process is virtually identical.
GigG
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
This is why I love this list so much. I have a few thoughts about aileron
trim tabs so I'd like to ask everyone on the list to let me know your
opinion please.
First, I now have my aircraft so that it flies level. However that is with
me flying alone. What happens later when I put a 200 lb passenger in the
co-pilot seat? I have a feeling that when I do that the aircraft will want
to roll to the right a bit.
So, my question is this, shouldn't the aircraft have been designed with an
aileron trim system?
And now that I have already closed up my wings and painted the aircraft does
anyone have any good ideas
for an in-flight or ground adjustable trim tab for the ailerons?
I have read in the archives about the fixed trim tab and I had one of those
on my CH300. I was not impressed and since it could not be adjusted I found
that when I had passengers I had to hold the stick to the left a bit.
Any and all comments will be appreciated.
Thank you
Jeff Paden
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| Subject: | Kit project wanted |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" <joe@kfiz.com>
I am looking for a 601 HD or XL project in any stage of completion. Please
call or E-mail.
Joe
joe@kfiz.com
920-921-1071 work after 11:00 AM Central
920-237-1450 home after 5:00 PM Central
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
A question regarding my GPS installation.
Like many I have the Garmin 100 unit installed on top of my panel -- great
unit. I currently power it from the cigar lighter, but I have the wiring in
place to provide a discrete power source without using the 'unsightly' cigar
lighter converter cable draping across the panel.
I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits into this unit. It is not
any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen anywhere else. Do any
of the electronics gurus on the list know where I might find this plug?
It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one right way to plug it
in.
The Garmin cable has 4 pins but only 2 of these are for power. I have the
'raw' female pin-ends in my workshop, and as an alternative I'm looking at
how I might fabricate (epoxy?) such a plug.... ? Anyone done this?
I guess if $$ is no object, I could just buy another auto-converter cable
and chop the end off -- ouch! ;-)
Ideas?
Thanks
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Grant Corriveau wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits into this unit. It is not
> any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen anywhere else. Do any
> of the electronics gurus on the list know where I might find this plug?
> It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one right way to plug it
> in.
They don't specfically say that they've got a plug for your particular
model, but you might take a look at www.pfranc.com
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Hi Grant,
I've done the same thing on my Garmin 295. But like you mention
at the end of your email, I just coughed up the $$ for another
auto/lighter cable and chopped the end off.
However, I've recently found that GPSgeek carries many varieties of
Garmin round-end power cables.
They have an eBay store...
http://stores.ebay.com/GPSgeek_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm
Or also at www.gpsgeek.com
Rgds,
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant
Corriveau
Subject: Zenith-List: GPS plug?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
A question regarding my GPS installation.
Like many I have the Garmin 100 unit installed on top of my panel --
great unit. I currently power it from the cigar lighter, but I have the
wiring in place to provide a discrete power source without using the
'unsightly' cigar lighter converter cable draping across the panel.
I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits into this unit. It is
not any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen anywhere else.
Do any of the electronics gurus on the list know where I might find this
plug? It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one right way to
plug it in.
The Garmin cable has 4 pins but only 2 of these are for power. I have
the 'raw' female pin-ends in my workshop, and as an alternative I'm
looking at how I might fabricate (epoxy?) such a plug.... ? Anyone done
this?
I guess if $$ is no object, I could just buy another auto-converter
cable and chop the end off -- ouch! ;-)
Ideas?
Thanks
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Thank you for the advise Dave. I will stock up with various studs and
washers.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Do not archive.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Johann (and Mike,
> I measured the thickness of the panels being attached at each stud
> location,
> with a micrometer, and then used the table in the Spruce cat. to determine
> the lengths and springs needed. The f-glass panels do vary in thickness.
> If you use the washers you need to add in their thickness as well.
> Then I ordered two spare studs of each length and two spare springs of
> each
> dimension just in case!
> The dzus size I used needed 1/8 inch rivets.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Hurley" <drhurley@onetel.com>
Thanks to all who responded on Honda installations. Grant Corriveau is in touch,
and so is Doug Mattson.
Anybody else have a Honda? Keen to hear your experiences.
Roger Hurley
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| Subject: | Re: N640JP first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Jeff,
Was heavy wing noticeable in high speed taxi at all??
...lance
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeff Paden"<jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Yes, the left wing was VERY VERY heavy. I had to hold almost full right
aileron just to keep her from turning left. It was very scarry but I
managed to get her on the ground same and sound. Now that I have moved the
right wing she is fine. I have not set up the riteangle system and I
disconnected the audio for now because I needed to have it turned on to see
the flaps position. I sure wish there was a way to set the flaps up with
out the darn thing announcing that there is a setup error. Oh well, once I
am more at ease with the aircraft then I can set up the riteangle system
correctly.
The DAR was very conserned with how the riteangle system is mounted but so
far it is holding up very well. It feels loose when you grab it and move it
around, but I have a doubler that is connected to a wing rib and to the
bottom wing skin and that is where the RiteAngle system is mounted so I am
sure it is not going to go anywhere.
Jeff
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
N640JP first flight
Jeff,
Congrats! Know you are glad this is completed! I really doubt if you are
off 3 degrees on that wing, I think that would make a very very heavy wing.
I
thought you built it that way so you wouldn't have to hold so much Rt Rudder
with all that power during climbout :-) Now you have to quit smiling!!
Glad to hear you are in the air~
Let me know if you have any questions on the RiteAngle set-up.
Elbie
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
Hi Grant
Would this be the plug you are looking for?
http://pfranc.com/projects/g45contr/g45_idx.htm
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
ch601hds
ea81
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Saw a beautiful 701 on the flight line today at the Light Sport Expo in Sebring!
N987PD.
Beautiful plane...I believe it will go home to KY soon....
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | RE:Dzus fasteners |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
For what it's worth, I like the Southc style of fasteners better than the
dzus. I used them on my CH801 and they have worked very well.
>> Hello list members.
>> I am about to order some items from A. S. and need some advise from
>>you
>> who have installed the cowlings on your planes.
>> I want to use the Dzus fasteners with oval head studs and springs.
>>.....
On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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| Subject: | HD wing assembly guide |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Listers, its time for me to install the nose skin on the one wing I
have left to complete and I don't have the assembly guide for the HD
wing. I have HDS guide from the ZAC website but I'm not sure if they
are assembled in the same manner.
Can anyone confirm they are the same? If not can one provide me with
the HD wing assembly guide in PDF?
Thanks!
Trevor Page
601HD 97% complete
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| Subject: | Re: HD wing assembly guide |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Trevor
There is no guide for the HD. The guide for the HDS seemed a bit difficult to follow
as all the dimentions were different. Just read through the HDS guide to
get the basic idea, then go for it. Make sure you use lots of clecos and don't
rivet anything until you are sure everything is correct. The wings were fairly
easy until I got to the outboard edges. The cut around the edge is pretty much
freehand. You just make it fit the end rib.
You also might want to consider any wiring, or plumbing before you close it up
for good. It's hard to add afterwards.
Randy Stout
n282rs "at" earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Listers, its time for me to install the nose skin on the one wing I
have left to complete and I don't have the assembly guide for the HD
wing. I have HDS guide from the ZAC website but I'm not sure if they
are assembled in the same manner.
Can anyone confirm they are the same? If not can one provide me with
the HD wing assembly guide in PDF?
Thanks!
Trevor Page
601HD 97% complete
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| Subject: | Re: HD wing assembly guide |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Trevor
There is no guide for the HD. The guide for the HDS seemed a bit difficult to follow
as all the dimentions were different. Just read through the HDS guide to
get the basic idea, then go for it. Make sure you use lots of clecos and don't
rivet anything until you are sure everything is correct. The wings were fairly
easy until I got to the outboard edges. The cut around the edge is pretty much
freehand. You just make it fit the end rib.
You also might want to consider any wiring, or plumbing before you close it up
for good. It's hard to add afterwards.
Randy Stout
n282rs "at" earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Listers, its time for me to install the nose skin on the one wing I
have left to complete and I don't have the assembly guide for the HD
wing. I have HDS guide from the ZAC website but I'm not sure if they
are assembled in the same manner.
Can anyone confirm they are the same? If not can one provide me with
the HD wing assembly guide in PDF?
Thanks!
Trevor Page
601HD 97% complete
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Hi Grant,
Are you sure you meant Garmin 100? I tried to find
this model on Garmin web site.
I have such a discreet connection on my panel. See:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/IMG_0332.JPG
Is this the same type of connector? I purchased it
from Garmin. It comes ready to connect behind the
panel with an inline fuse holder. The four wires are
for +, - and serial communication:
http://shop.garmin.com/accessory.jsp?sku=010%2D10082%2D00
part number: 010-10082-00
Michel
--- Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau
> <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
> A question regarding my GPS installation.
>
> Like many I have the Garmin 100 unit installed on
> top of my panel -- great
> unit. I currently power it from the cigar lighter,
> but I have the wiring in
> place to provide a discrete power source without
> using the 'unsightly' cigar
> lighter converter cable draping across the panel.
>
> I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits
> into this unit. It is not
> any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen
> anywhere else. Do any
> of the electronics gurus on the list know where I
> might find this plug?
> It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one
> right way to plug it
> in.
>
> The Garmin cable has 4 pins but only 2 of these are
> for power. I have the
> 'raw' female pin-ends in my workshop, and as an
> alternative I'm looking at
> how I might fabricate (epoxy?) such a plug.... ?
> Anyone done this?
>
> I guess if $$ is no object, I could just buy another
> auto-converter cable
> and chop the end off -- ouch! ;-)
>
=====
----------------------------
Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Re: N640JP first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>>Was heavy wing noticeable in high speed taxi at all??
>>
>>....lance
No, the heavy left wing was not detected until the first flight. While in
ground effect the wing did not seem heavy at all so my advice to everyone is
BE CAREFUL!
Jeff
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| Subject: | Priming Aluminum |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
What is the preferred method for priming Aluminum. What methods are the best?
Thanks
0% complete 99% interested
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: RE:Dzus fasteners |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello Jim.
Thank you for your advise.
Best regards,
Johann G
do not archive
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" <n801za@hotmail.com>
>
> For what it's worth, I like the Southc style of fasteners better than the
> dzus. I used them on my CH801 and they have worked very well.
>
>>> Hello list members.
>
>>> I am about to order some items from A. S. and need some advise
>>> from
>>>you
>>> who have installed the cowlings on your planes.
>>> I want to use the Dzus fasteners with oval head studs and springs.
>>>.....
>
> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to
> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
>
>
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