---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/29/04: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:02 AM - Re: N640JP first flight (Benford2@aol.com) 2. 12:08 AM - Fw: Zeniyh-List: Re: CH601 XL nose wheel fork (burylhill) 3. 12:33 AM - Re: Re: N640JP first flight (Jeff Paden) 4. 03:17 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Senders (Mel Hinde) 5. 04:35 AM - Wing incidence comparison. (Was N640JP first flight) (Michel Therrien) 6. 04:39 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab () 7. 04:53 AM - Mods on C-GZGQ (Michel Therrien) 8. 05:16 AM - More fuel sender stuff.... (Zed Smith) 9. 06:22 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Larry) 10. 06:54 AM - Re: Fuel Senders (Jim Pensinger) 11. 06:54 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Aaron) 12. 07:00 AM - Re: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. (Dave Austin) 13. 07:04 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Dave Austin) 14. 08:00 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Mike Fothergill) 15. 08:01 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Gig Giacona) 16. 09:29 AM - Kit project wanted (Joe Scheibinger) 17. 09:29 AM - GPS plug? (Grant Corriveau) 18. 10:04 AM - Re: GPS plug? (Frank Stutzman) 19. 11:25 AM - Re: GPS plug? (Gary Craze) 20. 11:34 AM - Re: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) 21. 11:41 AM - CAM/Honda (Roger Hurley) 22. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: N640JP first flight (Lance Gingell) 23. 03:36 PM - Re: GPS plug? (Jim and Lucy) 24. 05:15 PM - Beautiful 701 (Rick) 25. 05:31 PM - Re:Dzus fasteners (Jim Frisby) 26. 06:25 PM - HD wing assembly guide (Trevor Page) 27. 06:50 PM - Re: HD wing assembly guide (Randy Stout) 28. 06:50 PM - Re: HD wing assembly guide (Randy Stout) 29. 06:58 PM - Re: GPS plug? (Michel Therrien) 30. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: N640JP first flight (Jeff Paden) 31. 09:20 PM - Priming Aluminum (Matt & Jo) 32. 09:44 PM - Re: Re:Dzus fasteners (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:51 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N640JP first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 10/28/2004 8:00:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jeffpaden@madbbs.com writes: > > HEHEHE you are correct. sorry, I did not read his reply to my post > correctly. He said left wing and I was talking about the right wing so yes, > we were both saying the same thing. To many long days with no sleep I guess > > > Jeff > > > It's that first flight thing ya know ........ Oh what a feeling.. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:38 AM PST US From: "burylhill" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Zeniyh-List: RE: CH601 XL nose wheel fork 1.61 USERPASS URI: URL contains username and (optional) password --> Zenith-List message posted by: "burylhill" ----- Original Message ----- From: burylhill Subject: Fw: Zeniyh-List: RE: CH601 XL nose wheel fork ----- Original Message ----- From: burylhill Subject: Re: Zeniyh-List: RE: CH601 XL nose wheel fork Jack: My 601 HD fork doubler measures 100mm deep X 150mm Down the side. 35mm between the U. Drawings show 410mm Developed Length. I think the whole metal length before the bend ( R15mm ) is 410mm X 100mm. The Factory demo 601 XL bent the nose gear on the way to Copperstate. Nick would know what they at the factory to fix it. Good Luck Buryl Hill 601 HD Sedona az. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:38 AM PST US Received-SPF: none (MAIL-SERVER.madbbs.com: domain of jeffpaden@madbbs.com does not designate any permitted senders) From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" Yes, the left wing was VERY VERY heavy. I had to hold almost full right aileron just to keep her from turning left. It was very scarry but I managed to get her on the ground same and sound. Now that I have moved the right wing she is fine. I have not set up the riteangle system and I disconnected the audio for now because I needed to have it turned on to see the flaps position. I sure wish there was a way to set the flaps up with out the darn thing announcing that there is a setup error. Oh well, once I am more at ease with the aircraft then I can set up the riteangle system correctly. The DAR was very conserned with how the riteangle system is mounted but so far it is holding up very well. It feels loose when you grab it and move it around, but I have a doubler that is connected to a wing rib and to the bottom wing skin and that is where the RiteAngle system is mounted so I am sure it is not going to go anywhere. Jeff -------Original Message------- From: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com N640JP first flight Jeff, Congrats! Know you are glad this is completed! I really doubt if you are off 3 degrees on that wing, I think that would make a very very heavy wing. I thought you built it that way so you wouldn't have to hold so much Rt Rudder with all that power during climbout :-) Now you have to quit smiling!! Glad to hear you are in the air~ Let me know if you have any questions on the RiteAngle set-up. Elbie ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:43 AM PST US From: "Mel Hinde" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Senders --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mel Hinde" Paul, Would not advise connecting two tanks together. My 801 was built with the two inboards connected and the two outboards connected together as per the ZAC instructions. I was continually getting air bubbles in one line or the other and it would empty one tank and then suck air. Whichever tank wasn't empty would then be unusable. At first I put a positive pressue vent into the caps and it helped, but didn't completely solve the problem. The little tank (mixer) that ZAC supplied in the kit to mount under the seats, one for inboard and one for outboard tanks, has an air space in the top (trap??) and it continues to feed air back into the lines when the engine is shut down. Obviously, these gather at any high spot or in front of the elbows and create an air lock. Even on the ground for days the tanks do not equalize. Had to put individual line valves in all four lines. When I switch to a tank that has air in the line, gas flows fine but the air bubbles come back after I switch that tank off. I had installed four gas gauges, fortunately so can monitor the levels. To complicate things, the mechanical pump has a return line to tank one of one third of the fuel drawn, so have to continually switch to tank one to keep it from overflowing and then back to one of the others. Nightmare. HINDE, Mel CH801, Walter LOM 337B, c/s prop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Moore" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Senders > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Moore" > > Thanks for all the great advise! > > I don't like the extra cost of the capacitance senders but figure less > trouble in the long run, much easier setting up and no moving parts. > > Scott, did you have to work at making sure your tanks were low against the > bottom of the nose skin or simply centered top to bottom on the spar? > > Zed, thanks for the 20mm.....exactly the dimension I needed. Now I can make > up a +/- 25mm puck blank and "play" with the skins without first chopping up > my tanks. I may still go with the side mount and bendable probes (like > yours, Ron) so I can access the calibration buttons through the finger > screen access covers..... > > For plumbing four leading edge tanks in an XL, has anyone tried tying the > two mains together on one valve position, the two aux on another, so a pair > would feed together - both mains or both aux - with only one tank in each > pair gauged? Seems there's less risk of losing track of which tank you're > switched to - only two positions to choose, main or aux, cuts cost of > senders and gauges in half...and you would still rely primarily on visually > monitoring pre-takeoff tank levels and fuel burn for actual planning and > switching. Added benefit of inherent fuel balancing across the wings. I > see some gotchas but would like to hear if anyone has tried it or thinks it > could work. It would always be easy to split them back out at the selector > valve if feed problems arose, but lack of senders in the 'other' tanks would > then be an issue. > > Any thoughts? > > > Paul > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:20 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Wing incidence comparison. (Was N640JP first flight) --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I explained what I did a few days ago for correcting the problem. One thing I did not explained is how I took level measurement... this may be interesting for some; so here it is. I used a 4 foot level to which I installed plastic blocs. The blocs align with the front spar and the rear Z. I then tapped the blocs for 3/16 screws and installed no 10 SS screw in each bloc (one is longer and I don't remember which one). I position the modified level underneath the wing, vertical, the screws being exacltly in line with the rivet lines of the wing. I adjust the screws to get perfect level. Then, it is easy to compare with the other wing and see what correction needs to be made. I also compared with my center wing. After doing it this way, I corrected the left wing by nearly 1/4"! That made a huge difference. This level can also be used to measure wing incidence. On the HD wing, if I remember, there is 25mm difference in height of the rear end of the rear rib compared with the front end. Use this, and use the difference of screw heights on the level to determine the slope. Incidence is the arcsine of height divided by the distance between the two screws. Finally, I used the level to confirm I had no twist in the center wing and the wings. Simply check level at various places (outboard, center, inboard) under both wings and at the two ends of the centerwing. Michel --- Jeff Paden wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" > > > Yes, the left wing was VERY VERY heavy. I had to > hold almost full right > aileron just to keep her from turning left. It was > very scarry but I > managed to get her on the ground same and sound. > Now that I have moved the > right wing she is fine. I have not set up the > riteangle system and I > disconnected the audio for now because I needed to > have it turned on to see > the flaps position. I sure wish there was a way to > set the flaps up with > out the darn thing announcing that there is a setup > error. Oh well, once I > am more at ease with the aircraft then I can set up > the riteangle system > correctly. > > The DAR was very conserned with how the riteangle > system is mounted but so > far it is holding up very well. It feels loose when > you grab it and move it > around, but I have a doubler that is connected to a > wing rib and to the > bottom wing skin and that is where the RiteAngle > system is mounted so I am > sure it is not going to go anywhere. > > Jeff > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron trim tab 0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO --> Zenith-List message posted by: If you're interested in an aileron trim tab, I believe you could retrofit it, though it will probably be easier if you take the aileron off. As for running the cable, you could probably do as Nick recommends for the elevator trim cable; Use nylon Adel clamps to run it along the rear channel until you reach the fuse. Just a thought, Kevin Kinney ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:15 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Mods on C-GZGQ --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien I know some of you take ideas from my web site when building their aircraft. Here is a few things that are not up to date on the web site. Cooler: I removed the oil cooler. While it was very efficient, the oil did not come warm enough (160 only). I used Castrol Syntech 5-50W oil and I don't fear being in the 200s. Removing the cooler increased temperature to 180-210... which I think is better. BTW, if you need it, the small Supercooler is great. The socketless aeroquip hoses are easy to assemble and seem to be of good quality (they have two versions, racing and industrial... the latter one being cheaper for the same quality--according to the representative I met). Breather/oil separator: I used to have a little electrical box I made to separate the oil and air... the box was mounted on the cyl. head. Well, one day, after my pilot flew with my instructor for 2 hours in turbulences. The cowling was full of oil. It was a real mess! I removed that piece of crap and installed the ACS breather/separator. It is attached to my radiator at the highest level possible and it does a great job. One day, I want to pack it with scrubber so it condensates oil from the vapours (there is oil under the fuselage). Trim: I enlarged the elevator trim. Carburetor: this week, I modified the jetting of my Holley 5200 carburator so it delivers a richer mixture. It seems to do its job right now. This is surprising that I had to do this considering that this was a new (reman) carburetor... I presume that the characteristics of my engine are different from those of a Mustan 2.3L engine....? Exhaust: The exhaust pipe broke early during test flights. It was two straight pipes joined together with a center tube (and flexible "thing"). I cut the center pipe out as I believed it contributed to the problem. I reduced the lenght of my two straight pipes. And later, I installed 3-inch Supertrapp mufflers. It is still noisy in the cabin, but apparently, I make less noise than a Cessna now! And these "bolt-on" mufflers are only one pound each!!! They can be tuned by adding or removing discs. I use 7 discs on each side. What's next? - I would like to stop being a mechanics and become more of a pilot. Running lean has caused me a series of problems with the cylinder head valves. I'm changing cyl. heads again today. - canopy arm gas springs. While I have the strongest ones, they are only marginal due to the opening angle of my canopy (I cannot get the 67 degree angle... I only get 45). I need to find another way of mounting gas springs. - monitoring. I would like to monitor manifold pressure and fuel flow... but that's for later when I have a job to pay for these gadgets. - painting. While it is obvious that a lighter plane flies better... to me, itis not completed until it is painted. - weight reduction. Making a new canopy with lighter frame, modifying landing gear, going with a two-blade propellor, removing some gadgets, simplifying electrical system could all contribute to reducing weight. I estimate that I could save approx 40 lbs if I do everything I think of. The problem, however, could be the repositionning of the battery for the new CG. That's all I can think of at this time. Michel ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:41 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: More fuel sender stuff.... --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith One thing you might consider when selecting and installing the sender, either mechanical or electronic, is access to the unit afterwards. Most all of these Mach-plus machines have exposed fuel tank filler caps, so you might look at a "domed" cover over the sender. Allows room to mount the unit and doesn't stick up any more than the filler neck. A small chromed cat feeding bowl from the local pet store, when inverted, fits nicely. Four or five A4 rivets will secure it. It is much more "aerodynamic" than the filler cap and a properly placed rubber plug allows calibration of the "zero" and "span" on the electonic version without removal of the dome. My hangar cat, "Miss Galore", doesn't mind now being fed in another dish. Zed/701/R912/90+% and moving right along do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:18 AM PST US From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" If you have wing tanks, burn down the right tank or don't put as much in it or keep the left one full. Or don't fly fat guys, Larry N1345L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" > > This is why I love this list so much. I have a few thoughts about aileron > trim tabs so I'd like to ask everyone on the list to let me know your > opinion please. > > First, I now have my aircraft so that it flies level. However that is with > me flying alone. What happens later when I put a 200 lb passenger in the > co-pilot seat? I have a feeling that when I do that the aircraft will want > to roll to the right a bit. > > So, my question is this, shouldn't the aircraft have been designed with an > aileron trim system? > And now that I have already closed up my wings and painted the aircraft does > anyone have any good ideas > for an in-flight or ground adjustable trim tab for the ailerons? > > I have read in the archives about the fixed trim tab and I had one of those > on my CH300. I was not impressed and since it could not be adjusted I found > that when I had passengers I had to hold the stick to the left a bit. > > Any and all comments will be appreciated. > > Thank you > > Jeff Paden > CH-640 FLYING! > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:35 AM PST US From: "Jim Pensinger" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Senders --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pensinger" I will also have the 4 tank option in my XL My concern is the weight of the "unusable" fuel remaining in the tanks. This also negates by several gallons the extra fuel advantage. My proposed solution is to keep the ZAC 4 way fuel switch and 4 fuel gauges but fit inline electric pumps (with check valves) between the outboard tanks and the main tanks. These can be used to pump the aux tanks dry without the danger of trying to run the engine on air. Any comments are appreciated. Jim Pensinger 601XL 100% done in mind Picking up kit in November ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:35 AM PST US From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" I am planning to use a two position aileron trim tab. One position for pilot only and one for 2 people. Simply a bracket w/ 2 holes. Adjust on the ground before flight. Don't think it can get simpler or lighter than that. Aaron ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:11 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Johann (and Mike, I measured the thickness of the panels being attached at each stud location, with a micrometer, and then used the table in the Spruce cat. to determine the lengths and springs needed. The f-glass panels do vary in thickness. If you use the washers you need to add in their thickness as well. Then I ordered two spare studs of each length and two spare springs of each dimension just in case! The dzus size I used needed 1/8 inch rivets. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:28 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" Jeff, I installed an electric trim tab in the stbd aileron and would not be without it. A passenger will certainly make you have to hold the stick to compensate, which would be very tiring on any length of flight. The wiring would be a bit difficult to install, but well worth it. MHO. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:20 AM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Fothergill Hi Jeff; I retrofitted a Mac aileron trim after the first month of flying my then new 601. Mike UHS Spinners Jeff Paden wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" > > This is why I love this list so much. I have a few thoughts about aileron > trim tabs so I'd like to ask everyone on the list to let me know your > opinion please. > > First, I now have my aircraft so that it flies level. However that is with > me flying alone. What happens later when I put a 200 lb passenger in the > co-pilot seat? I have a feeling that when I do that the aircraft will want > to roll to the right a bit. > > So, my question is this, shouldn't the aircraft have been designed with an > aileron trim system? > And now that I have already closed up my wings and painted the aircraft does > anyone have any good ideas > for an in-flight or ground adjustable trim tab for the ailerons? > > I have read in the archives about the fixed trim tab and I had one of those > on my CH300. I was not impressed and since it could not be adjusted I found > that when I had passengers I had to hold the stick to the left a bit. > > Any and all comments will be appreciated. > > Thank you > > Jeff Paden > CH-640 FLYING! > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:37 AM PST US From: "Gig Giacona" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron trim tab --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" The trim tab as designed by Zenith for the 601Xl should be easly added post construction. It won't be as easy as it was with the Aileron off the plane but it still shouldn't be that hard. If you installed the electric pitch trim the process is virtually identical. GigG --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" This is why I love this list so much. I have a few thoughts about aileron trim tabs so I'd like to ask everyone on the list to let me know your opinion please. First, I now have my aircraft so that it flies level. However that is with me flying alone. What happens later when I put a 200 lb passenger in the co-pilot seat? I have a feeling that when I do that the aircraft will want to roll to the right a bit. So, my question is this, shouldn't the aircraft have been designed with an aileron trim system? And now that I have already closed up my wings and painted the aircraft does anyone have any good ideas for an in-flight or ground adjustable trim tab for the ailerons? I have read in the archives about the fixed trim tab and I had one of those on my CH300. I was not impressed and since it could not be adjusted I found that when I had passengers I had to hold the stick to the left a bit. Any and all comments will be appreciated. Thank you Jeff Paden ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:10 AM PST US From: "Joe Scheibinger" Subject: Zenith-List: Kit project wanted (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Joe Scheibinger" I am looking for a 601 HD or XL project in any stage of completion. Please call or E-mail. Joe joe@kfiz.com 920-921-1071 work after 11:00 AM Central 920-237-1450 home after 5:00 PM Central ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: GPS plug? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau A question regarding my GPS installation. Like many I have the Garmin 100 unit installed on top of my panel -- great unit. I currently power it from the cigar lighter, but I have the wiring in place to provide a discrete power source without using the 'unsightly' cigar lighter converter cable draping across the panel. I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits into this unit. It is not any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen anywhere else. Do any of the electronics gurus on the list know where I might find this plug? It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one right way to plug it in. The Garmin cable has 4 pins but only 2 of these are for power. I have the 'raw' female pin-ends in my workshop, and as an alternative I'm looking at how I might fabricate (epoxy?) such a plug.... ? Anyone done this? I guess if $$ is no object, I could just buy another auto-converter cable and chop the end off -- ouch! ;-) Ideas? Thanks -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:41 AM PST US From: Frank Stutzman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS plug? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Grant Corriveau wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits into this unit. It is not > any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen anywhere else. Do any > of the electronics gurus on the list know where I might find this plug? > It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one right way to plug it > in. They don't specfically say that they've got a plug for your particular model, but you might take a look at www.pfranc.com Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:29 AM PST US From: "Gary Craze" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: GPS plug? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" Hi Grant, I've done the same thing on my Garmin 295. But like you mention at the end of your email, I just coughed up the $$ for another auto/lighter cable and chopped the end off. However, I've recently found that GPSgeek carries many varieties of Garmin round-end power cables. They have an eBay store... http://stores.ebay.com/GPSgeek_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm Or also at www.gpsgeek.com Rgds, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: GPS plug? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau A question regarding my GPS installation. Like many I have the Garmin 100 unit installed on top of my panel -- great unit. I currently power it from the cigar lighter, but I have the wiring in place to provide a discrete power source without using the 'unsightly' cigar lighter converter cable draping across the panel. I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits into this unit. It is not any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen anywhere else. Do any of the electronics gurus on the list know where I might find this plug? It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one right way to plug it in. The Garmin cable has 4 pins but only 2 of these are for power. I have the 'raw' female pin-ends in my workshop, and as an alternative I'm looking at how I might fabricate (epoxy?) such a plug.... ? Anyone done this? I guess if $$ is no object, I could just buy another auto-converter cable and chop the end off -- ouch! ;-) Ideas? Thanks -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 == == == == ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:13 AM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dzus fasteners for Cowl. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Thank you for the advise Dave. I will stock up with various studs and washers. Best regards, Johann G. Do not archive. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" > > Johann (and Mike, > I measured the thickness of the panels being attached at each stud > location, > with a micrometer, and then used the table in the Spruce cat. to determine > the lengths and springs needed. The f-glass panels do vary in thickness. > If you use the washers you need to add in their thickness as well. > Then I ordered two spare studs of each length and two spare springs of > each > dimension just in case! > The dzus size I used needed 1/8 inch rivets. > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:12 AM PST US From: "Roger Hurley" Subject: Zenith-List: CAM/Honda --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Hurley" Thanks to all who responded on Honda installations. Grant Corriveau is in touch, and so is Doug Mattson. Anybody else have a Honda? Keen to hear your experiences. Roger Hurley ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" Jeff, Was heavy wing noticeable in high speed taxi at all?? ...lance -----Original Message----- From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" Yes, the left wing was VERY VERY heavy. I had to hold almost full right aileron just to keep her from turning left. It was very scarry but I managed to get her on the ground same and sound. Now that I have moved the right wing she is fine. I have not set up the riteangle system and I disconnected the audio for now because I needed to have it turned on to see the flaps position. I sure wish there was a way to set the flaps up with out the darn thing announcing that there is a setup error. Oh well, once I am more at ease with the aircraft then I can set up the riteangle system correctly. The DAR was very conserned with how the riteangle system is mounted but so far it is holding up very well. It feels loose when you grab it and move it around, but I have a doubler that is connected to a wing rib and to the bottom wing skin and that is where the RiteAngle system is mounted so I am sure it is not going to go anywhere. Jeff -------Original Message------- From: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com N640JP first flight Jeff, Congrats! Know you are glad this is completed! I really doubt if you are off 3 degrees on that wing, I think that would make a very very heavy wing. I thought you built it that way so you wouldn't have to hold so much Rt Rudder with all that power during climbout :-) Now you have to quit smiling!! Glad to hear you are in the air~ Let me know if you have any questions on the RiteAngle set-up. Elbie ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:15 PM PST US From: Jim and Lucy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS plug? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy Hi Grant Would this be the plug you are looking for? http://pfranc.com/projects/g45contr/g45_idx.htm Jim Pollard Merlin Ont ch601hds ea81 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:14 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Zenith-List: Beautiful 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Saw a beautiful 701 on the flight line today at the Light Sport Expo in Sebring! N987PD. Beautiful plane...I believe it will go home to KY soon.... Rick Orlando, FL http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:54 PM PST US From: "Jim Frisby" Subject: Zenith-List: RE:Dzus fasteners --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" For what it's worth, I like the Southc style of fasteners better than the dzus. I used them on my CH801 and they have worked very well. >> Hello list members. >> I am about to order some items from A. S. and need some advise from >>you >> who have installed the cowlings on your planes. >> I want to use the Dzus fasteners with oval head studs and springs. >>..... On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:19 PM PST US From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Listers, its time for me to install the nose skin on the one wing I have left to complete and I don't have the assembly guide for the HD wing. I have HDS guide from the ZAC website but I'm not sure if they are assembled in the same manner. Can anyone confirm they are the same? If not can one provide me with the HD wing assembly guide in PDF? Thanks! Trevor Page 601HD 97% complete ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:14 PM PST US From: Randy Stout Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide --> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout Trevor There is no guide for the HD. The guide for the HDS seemed a bit difficult to follow as all the dimentions were different. Just read through the HDS guide to get the basic idea, then go for it. Make sure you use lots of clecos and don't rivet anything until you are sure everything is correct. The wings were fairly easy until I got to the outboard edges. The cut around the edge is pretty much freehand. You just make it fit the end rib. You also might want to consider any wiring, or plumbing before you close it up for good. It's hard to add afterwards. Randy Stout n282rs "at" earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Listers, its time for me to install the nose skin on the one wing I have left to complete and I don't have the assembly guide for the HD wing. I have HDS guide from the ZAC website but I'm not sure if they are assembled in the same manner. Can anyone confirm they are the same? If not can one provide me with the HD wing assembly guide in PDF? Thanks! Trevor Page 601HD 97% complete ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:35 PM PST US From: Randy Stout Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide --> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout Trevor There is no guide for the HD. The guide for the HDS seemed a bit difficult to follow as all the dimentions were different. Just read through the HDS guide to get the basic idea, then go for it. Make sure you use lots of clecos and don't rivet anything until you are sure everything is correct. The wings were fairly easy until I got to the outboard edges. The cut around the edge is pretty much freehand. You just make it fit the end rib. You also might want to consider any wiring, or plumbing before you close it up for good. It's hard to add afterwards. Randy Stout n282rs "at" earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Page Subject: Zenith-List: HD wing assembly guide --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page Listers, its time for me to install the nose skin on the one wing I have left to complete and I don't have the assembly guide for the HD wing. I have HDS guide from the ZAC website but I'm not sure if they are assembled in the same manner. Can anyone confirm they are the same? If not can one provide me with the HD wing assembly guide in PDF? Thanks! Trevor Page 601HD 97% complete ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:20 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS plug? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi Grant, Are you sure you meant Garmin 100? I tried to find this model on Garmin web site. I have such a discreet connection on my panel. See: http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/images/IMG_0332.JPG Is this the same type of connector? I purchased it from Garmin. It comes ready to connect behind the panel with an inline fuse holder. The four wires are for +, - and serial communication: http://shop.garmin.com/accessory.jsp?sku=010%2D10082%2D00 part number: 010-10082-00 Michel --- Grant Corriveau wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > > > A question regarding my GPS installation. > > Like many I have the Garmin 100 unit installed on > top of my panel -- great > unit. I currently power it from the cigar lighter, > but I have the wiring in > place to provide a discrete power source without > using the 'unsightly' cigar > lighter converter cable draping across the panel. > > I need to (hopefully) buy the cable end that fits > into this unit. It is not > any standard type of electrical plug that I've seen > anywhere else. Do any > of the electronics gurus on the list know where I > might find this plug? > It's a small barrel shape, keyed to provide only one > right way to plug it > in. > > The Garmin cable has 4 pins but only 2 of these are > for power. I have the > 'raw' female pin-ends in my workshop, and as an > alternative I'm looking at > how I might fabricate (epoxy?) such a plug.... ? > Anyone done this? > > I guess if $$ is no object, I could just buy another > auto-converter cable > and chop the end off -- ouch! ;-) > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:01 PM PST US Received-SPF: none (MAIL-SERVER.madbbs.com: domain of jeffpaden@madbbs.com does not designate any permitted senders) From: "Jeff Paden" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: N640JP first flight --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" >>Was heavy wing noticeable in high speed taxi at all?? >> >>....lance No, the heavy left wing was not detected until the first flight. While in ground effect the wing did not seem heavy at all so my advice to everyone is BE CAREFUL! Jeff ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:48 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Zenith-List: Priming Aluminum --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" What is the preferred method for priming Aluminum. What methods are the best? Thanks 0% complete 99% interested Matt ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:46 PM PST US From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE:Dzus fasteners --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hello Jim. Thank you for your advise. Best regards, Johann G do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > For what it's worth, I like the Southc style of fasteners better than the > dzus. I used them on my CH801 and they have worked very well. > >>> Hello list members. > >>> I am about to order some items from A. S. and need some advise >>> from >>>you >>> who have installed the cowlings on your planes. >>> I want to use the Dzus fasteners with oval head studs and springs. >>>..... > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >