Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:38 AM - Re: Gross Weight (Stephen Adams)
2. 04:10 AM - 601 heavy left wing (Bob Miller)
3. 05:23 AM - Fuel pump setup for the Jab 3300 on 601HDS (charles.long@gm.com)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: Took the Plunge! (Weston, Jim)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Simple Questions: Builders Logs and Vixen File (Jim Fosse)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/02/04 (Grant Corriveau)
7. 07:35 AM - Vixen file (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: Steering rod boots (Fred Sanford)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: Fuel pump setup for the Jab 3300 on 601HDS (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 08:52 AM - Zenith's Air Riveter settings (Gary Craze)
11. 10:01 AM - Digital Levels (Bill Howerton)
12. 10:23 AM - Re: Digital Levels (Gary Craze)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: Digital Levels (Jack Russell)
14. 10:51 AM - Re: Zenith's Air Riveter settings (Kent Brown)
15. 10:55 AM - Re: Digital Levels (Kent Brown)
16. 11:36 AM - Re: Digital Levels ()
17. 11:38 AM - Re: Digital Levels (Rick)
18. 02:05 PM - Re: Zenith's Air Riveter settings (Todd Osborne)
19. 02:34 PM - Re: 601 heavy left wing (cgalley)
20. 02:52 PM - Re: Digital Levels (Bill Howerton)
21. 03:13 PM - Re: Vixen file ()
22. 03:34 PM - Sabiru 3300 (John Fulp)
23. 03:38 PM - Re: 601 heavy left wing (Jeffrey Glasserow)
24. 05:11 PM - Re: 601 heavy left wing (cgalley)
25. 05:37 PM - Re: Zenith's Air Riveter settings (Larry)
26. 05:45 PM - vixen file and sandbag loading (George Swinford)
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stephen Adams <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Just a note on the CH640 specs. The actual empty
weight of the prototype as tested was 1200 pounds and
the Vne is 175 mph. 1147 lbs is the basic empty weight
without avionics installed. 167 mph was the max level
cruising speed acheived during testing. At least that
puts your plane a little closer to the prototype
weight :).
--- cgalley <cgalley@qcbc.org> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley"
> <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> That is good news. Now how did your figure that the
> engine was only 110
> pound heavier? Did you measure the actual weight or
> did you use the
> manufacturer's figures? The manufacturer is
> sometimes optimistic. Many
> times they give the weights without starter, mags,
> harness, fuel pump,
> vacuum pump, primer, filters, oil cooler, motor
> mount bushings, even spark
> plugs.
>
> Cy Galley - Chair,
> AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A Service Project of Chapter 75
> EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
> EAA Sport Pilot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gross Weight
>
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden"
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> >
> > >>You keep avoiding the prop type and its
> associated weight.
> >
> > >>If you have that much power, maybe a fixed pitch
> would reduce the
> balance
> > >>weight in the tail. You would still get good
> climb.
> >
> > Sorry, I did not mean to avoid the issue of the
> prop. The prop I have
> > installed is a CATTO three blade prop and it is a
> fixed pitch prop.
> > I would HIGHLY recommend a CATTO prop to any
> builder.
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> > Jeff Paden
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| Subject: | 601 heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Cy,
thanks for your reply. You're right, putting weight in the right wing wouldn't
be the best solution. Still, when a wing is heavy on Zodiacs, it seems it's
always the left one. People report being able to bank the airplane just by
leaning one way or the other in the cockpit, so part of the problem would be with
the pilot weighting the aircraft on the left side. But sometimes people report
the problem is extreme and even scarey. I have a manual aileron trim, so
my concern is with aileron authority on the first flight.
My technical advisor isn't familiar with Zodiacs; the nearest flight advisor that
has experience with Zodiacs is a 7 hour drive away, but I'm going down there
for instruction in an Alarus with him and informal instruction with another
experienced pilot in a 601 before my first flight. I've heard the heavy wing
doesn't show up in ground effect, so after your reply am thinking the way to
go might be to get proficient in aborting take-offs on long runways after getting
above ground effect.
Thanks for adding your experience and expertise to the list, and for continuing
to remind everybody of the support EAA has made available.
Bob Miller
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| Subject: | Fuel pump setup for the Jab 3300 on 601HDS |
20, 2004) at 11/03/2004 08:23:00 AM,
Serialize complete at 11/03/2004 08:23:00 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Question for those of you running a Jab 3300. I have electric
fuel pumps mounted at the wing roots, one for each tank. Both feed into a
selector valve just forward of the spar. Next a gascolator at the
firewall, then up to the Jab fuel pump (engine pump in series). Finally
through a fuel filter, then to the Carb. Fuel pressure sensor is Tee'd in
between Filter and Carb. The Jab manual shows a range of acceptable fuel
pressures range from 3/4 to 3 psi. Anyone else out there running the
series setup like I am (ZAC supplied Facet pumps)? What fuel pressures
are you running with and w/o electric pump? Concerned about over
pressurizing the carb. Not sure what the regulating pressure is on the
facet pumps. Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 98% complete!
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| Subject: | Took the Plunge! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Matt,
Great note. I have the same conversations when I'm flying. Good luck
with the build project. You'll find every facet very rewarding.
Jim Weston
CH601HDS, Stratus
Concord, Ga.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt & Jo
Subject: Zenith-List: Took the Plunge!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
I am really happy with this message board.
With a community like this available, I took the first step toward a 601
XL.
I sent off for the plans. I am planning on getting the tail kit and
starting on it sometime before Christmas. HO HO HO.
I am a Test Pilot for Boeing and a pilot in the Reserves. I am current
in the KC-135 and the 767. I have also been a System Safety Engineer,
Accident Investigator and a Designer. I am used to working and flying
heavies. I have been dreaming about this for a long time. Been to
Oshkosh twice, looked at a lot of kits. I really looked hard at the RVs.
They really are great aircraft. But I really don't want to spend that
much time building and I am really just looking for a fun, simple, VFR
aircraft. The XL looks like it will fit the bill. I really miss just
going up on a nice evening, just enjoying the flight and talking to God.
This is going to be a great project.
Thanks for all of the great info.
Cheers
Matt Archer
Also:
I sent off an email to ZAC about the Lycoming vrs Jabaru question. Here
is their response:
Thanks for your message to Zenith Aircraft Company. You wrote us:
> I have been looking at the 601
> XL. I have some questions on the useful load difference between the
> Jabaru and the Lycoming. From what I have seen the Jabaru weighs about
> 178 and the Lycomning weighs 218, a 40 lb difference.
> However you advertise a useful load of 500 for the Lycoming and
> 605 for the Jabaru. Why the big difference.
The installed O-235 engine (with accessories) weighs approx 280 lbs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Usefull load
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>
> Looking at ZAKs website I am trying to understand the differences in
the
> useful load between the Jabaru and the Lycoming configurations. From
what
> I have seen the Jabaru weighs about 178 and the Lycoming weighs 218, a
40
> lb difference. However they advertise a useful load of 500 for the
> Lycoming and 605 for the Jabaru. Why the big difference? Are my
numbers
> off for the Lycoming?
>
> O% completed, 99% interested
>
> Thanks for the info
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simple Questions: Builders Logs and Vixen File |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
O.K., I'll bite. What is a vixen file, Dave?
Jim Fosse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Simple Questions: Builders Logs and Vixen
File
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
I sand lightly with fine sand paper.
Carlos
--- VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
>
> Vixen file! Magic tool! Great for deburring! I used regular
> files, drill
> bits, de-burring tools.....in that order....till I finally bought a
> vixen file.
> I still have to use a de-burring tool in the tight spots, but the
> vixen file
> is great for most other jobs.
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/02/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> I really miss just going up on a nice evening,
> just enjoying the flight and talking to God. This is going to be a great
> project.
...
> Matt Archer
Hey Matt,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Zenair! My other aircraft is(was) an A320
(I've just retired!)... I'm currently finishing/upgrading my 601HDS after
having completed the test flying. I like the way you express the 'need' for
small aircraft flying!
From the few hours I've experienced on my HDS, I've come to refer to it as a
Mazda Miata with wings - it's just so much fun and so responsive to fly.
I also chose Zenair for simplicity to build and operate -- if I'm in a
hurry, I'll take the airlines. Also, considering that the RV could easily
take another 200? hours to build, thats 200 hours I'll be flying my Zodie.
At a conservative 100kts, that's 20,000 n.m. of flying! It'd take a long
time for the RV to 'catch up' even with its faster cruise! ;-) ha ha...
Happy Building,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
A Vixen file...or body file....is a file with very large, slightly curved
serrations. It looks very much like a regular, or "bastard" file, except there
is no cross hatch pattern. It looks like a very coarse file. I remember
using a "body" file at the Zenith workshop in Mexico. It worked great for
de-burring. On skins or flat surfaces, it made quick work of a long line of rivet
holes. It didn't really scratch the metal, just took off the burrs and high
spots....without removing metal from inside the hole below the level of the
surface, like a drill bit can. I looked and looked for a body file without finding
one...until I went to Osh Kosh this summer. In one of the tents in the "Fly
Mart" I found a Vixen file...for $5. It looked suspiciously like the "Body"
file I had used at ZAC. I bought it and it is surely one of the cheapest, most
used tools in my toolbox. It also works great for trimming/smoothing edges
on aluminum. It cuts, without leaving sharp edges.
Vixen file....body file....they're the same thing.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rod boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fred Sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
John:
You and Frank Jones have a good point - about the CO. The kevlar is a
little permeable, and you can push air through it with pressure.
I have now coated the inside and outside with "tent-sure", a water-based
urethane sold for sealing tents. It seens to really work great! Thanks
guys.
Planning on using the electricians firestop caulk for the rest of the
firewall.
Fred Sanford
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| Subject: | Fuel pump setup for the Jab 3300 on 601HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hmm...Two thoughts...What does the engine mounted pump do for you?...You
don't want to use it without a wing pump running as your asking for
vapour lock plus the pressure the pump will make at the carb will be way
more than the 3psi you want. The 106 series pumps mounted low in the
wings will make close to 5 psi at the carbby themselves, now you will
add the pressure the engine pump makes...You might be close to 10psi if
you don't have a regulator.
What does the fuel selector do?...You presumably are now having to
coordinate which pump runs for the apprpriate position of the fuel
selector...(you can run a Facet dead head but its its really not good
practice).
A better way is to simply use the two fuel pumps with a switch for each
oump and dump the selector...As the Facets do backflow a little you will
need a non return at the discharge of each pump.
I been running my Startus set up this way for 345 hours with no
problems.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
charles.long@gm.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel pump setup for the Jab 3300 on 601HDS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: charles.long@gm.com
Question for those of you running a Jab 3300. I have electric
fuel pumps mounted at the wing roots, one for each tank. Both feed into
a
selector valve just forward of the spar. Next a gascolator at the
firewall, then up to the Jab fuel pump (engine pump in series). Finally
through a fuel filter, then to the Carb. Fuel pressure sensor is Tee'd
in
between Filter and Carb. The Jab manual shows a range of acceptable
fuel
pressures range from 3/4 to 3 psi. Anyone else out there running the
series setup like I am (ZAC supplied Facet pumps)? What fuel pressures
are you running with and w/o electric pump? Concerned about over
pressurizing the carb. Not sure what the regulating pressure is on the
facet pumps. Thanks
Chuck Long
N601LE, 98% complete!
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| Subject: | Zenith's Air Riveter settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
I decided to pick up the pneumatic air riveter that ZAC supplies to
replace my old Harbor Freight unit, mostly since the ZAC unit came with
the domed heads.
I connected a small adjustable pressure guage to it. My guage may be
off, but it seems that I need to set about 40 PSI (reading taken when
trigger pulled) to pull an A4 (1/8") rivet, and about 50 PSI for the A5
rivets. The rivet manual says 32 PSI for the A4 and 46 PSI for the A5.
I'm not so worried about the differential on the A5, but if my guage is
right, I'm having to pull close to 8-10 PSI more than recommended to pop
the A4s.
Thoughts?
Tnx,
Gary
N801GC (reserved)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital levels to
get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to the
tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips to
Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can someone
please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them, and oh
yeah -- how much they cost?
Thanks!
Bill
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Bill, do an internet search for Smart Level and/or SmartTool (SmartTool
being the brand sold by M-D Building Products). I haven't seen it at
our local Lowes/Home Depot either but a variety of online tool vendors
carry it.
It's basically a two-part unit which consists of the Smart Level module,
and then a "mounting rail" that looks like a standard aluminum level.
The module by itself usually runs about $100, and then various vendors
put it in various rails like a 24" or 48" rail and tack on another
$50-$75.
Not cheap, but takes the guesswork out of deciphering a bubble.
Rgds,
Gary
N801GC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Howerton
Subject: Zenith-List: Digital Levels
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital
levels to
get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to
the
tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips
to
Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can
someone
please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them,
and oh
yeah -- how much they cost?
Thanks!
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Levels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Bill: Do a search for smart level and you will find lots of folks selling them.
I think the price is around 100.00. Aircraft spruce sells a more expensive model.
Jack in Clovis cA
Bill Howerton <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill
Howerton"
There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital levels to
get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to the
tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips to
Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can someone
please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them, and oh
yeah -- how much they cost?
Thanks!
Bill
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| Subject: | Zenith's Air Riveter settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
You are running about the same pressures I use. I wouldn't worry about the
exact pressure, your regulator is probably not terribly accurate anyway.
Just do it by "feel" and what works the best. The riveter will not be
affected by higher pressure, it will just "hop" and make moon faces.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Craze
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith's Air Riveter settings
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
I decided to pick up the pneumatic air riveter that ZAC supplies to
replace my old Harbor Freight unit, mostly since the ZAC unit came with
the domed heads.
I connected a small adjustable pressure guage to it. My guage may be
off, but it seems that I need to set about 40 PSI (reading taken when
trigger pulled) to pull an A4 (1/8") rivet, and about 50 PSI for the A5
rivets. The rivet manual says 32 PSI for the A4 and 46 PSI for the A5.
I'm not so worried about the differential on the A5, but if my guage is
right, I'm having to pull close to 8-10 PSI more than recommended to pop
the A4s.
Thoughts?
Tnx,
Gary
N801GC (reserved)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
I got mine from Travers Tool. Love it when I need to read it from a
distance or from an angle. No parallax, etc.
Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Howerton
Subject: Zenith-List: Digital Levels
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital levels to
get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to the
tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips to
Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can someone
please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them, and oh
yeah -- how much they cost?
Thanks!
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Levels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
I got mine at www.averytools.com
You can do a search on angle finders and it will pop up.
Jerry
601 HDS
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>
> There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital levels to
> get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to the
> tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips to
> Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can someone
> please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them, and oh
> yeah -- how much they cost?
>
> Thanks!
> Bill
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Levels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Got mine off eBay for about $65
Bill Howerton <Bill@Howerton.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill
Howerton"
There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital levels to
get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to the
tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips to
Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can someone
please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them, and oh
yeah -- how much they cost?
Thanks!
Bill
Do Not Archive
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Air Riveter settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
Your findings are in line with mine. I pull A4's at 40 PSI and A5's at
60. Less than that and it will not pull them. Could be my regulator is
off, or theirs, but this works for me. It pulls them fast, less than 1/2
a second, so I provide a little pull back (backpressure) just after I
pull the trigger. This prevents the smiley face from the kickback. Works
like a charm.
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
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Gary Craze wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I decided to pick up the pneumatic air riveter that ZAC supplies to
> replace my old Harbor Freight unit, mostly since the ZAC unit came with
> the domed heads.
>
> I connected a small adjustable pressure guage to it. My guage may be
> off, but it seems that I need to set about 40 PSI (reading taken when
> trigger pulled) to pull an A4 (1/8") rivet, and about 50 PSI for the A5
> rivets. The rivet manual says 32 PSI for the A4 and 46 PSI for the A5.
> I'm not so worried about the differential on the A5, but if my guage is
> right, I'm having to pull close to 8-10 PSI more than recommended to pop
> the A4s.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tnx,
> Gary
> N801GC (reserved)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You might contact the Zenith factory to see if there are any 601s flying in
your area. The 601 that I did the TC inspections found a another
builder/owner about 40 miles away that let him fly from the right seat to
get a feel for the handling. Many builders are willing to give a ride so
that can share the joy.
You also might do a search for 601 in the FAA data base and see if there are
any in your area. I use www.landings.com as it has several easy searches
set up.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 heavy left wing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Cy,
> thanks for your reply. You're right, putting weight in the right wing
wouldn't be the best solution. Still, when a wing is heavy on Zodiacs, it
seems it's always the left one. People report being able to bank the
airplane just by leaning one way or the other in the cockpit, so part of the
problem would be with the pilot weighting the aircraft on the left side.
But sometimes people report the problem is extreme and even scarey. I have a
manual aileron trim, so my concern is with aileron authority on the first
flight.
>
> My technical advisor isn't familiar with Zodiacs; the nearest flight
advisor that has experience with Zodiacs is a 7 hour drive away, but I'm
going down there for instruction in an Alarus with him and informal
instruction with another experienced pilot in a 601 before my first flight.
I've heard the heavy wing doesn't show up in ground effect, so after your
reply am thinking the way to go might be to get proficient in aborting
take-offs on long runways after getting above ground effect.
>
> Thanks for adding your experience and expertise to the list, and for
continuing to remind everybody of the support EAA has made available.
>
> Bob Miller
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digital Levels |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
Thanks guys -- Once I had the brand name, I found it with ease. Got mine
from Amazon for $99.00 with free shipping
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Digital Levels
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>
> I got mine at www.averytools.com
> You can do a search on angle finders and it will pop up.
> Jerry
> 601 HDS
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
>>
>> There has been some discussion lately regarding the use of digital levels
>> to
>> get improve the precision of our work. That these measure level down to
>> the
>> tenth of a degree. But in spite of numerous internet searches and trips
>> to
>> Home Depot and Lowes, I've been unable to find one anywhere. Can someone
>> please tell me where they found theirs, if they would recommend them, and
>> oh
>> yeah -- how much they cost?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bill
>>
>
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:12:08 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
I agree, that a vixen (or vixon, I've seen it spelled both ways) is just great
for deburring. One, maybe two swipes, and it's done. Airparts has them for about
$6 or so. They also sell deburrers, which are vix*n files cut down to about
1.5" long with a small makeshift handle epoxied on. Difference is, they polish
off the sharp edge of the teeth, so that as you run it along you only cut into
the burrs. I heartily recommend them.
On another subject, the thread on gross weights and wing testing addressed
laying the sandbags on the inverted wing structure, but nobody mentioned where---
a 100 pound sandbag at the root is load, but a sandbag at the tip creates
more stress due to its moment arm. Does anybody know what the sequence of adding
weights to the wing is? It would be good to know how it's done.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL, Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: VideoFlyer@aol.com<mailto:VideoFlyer@aol.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Vixen file
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com<mailto:VideoFlyer@aol.com>
A Vixen file...or body file....is a file with very large, slightly curved
serrations. It looks very much like a regular, or "bastard" file, except there
is no cross hatch pattern. It looks like a very coarse file. I remember
using a "body" file at the Zenith workshop in Mexico. It worked great for
de-burring. On skins or flat surfaces, it made quick work of a long line of
rivet
holes. It didn't really scratch the metal, just took off the burrs and high
spots....without removing metal from inside the hole below the level of the
surface, like a drill bit can. I looked and looked for a body file without finding
one...until I went to Osh Kosh this summer. In one of the tents in the "Fly
Mart" I found a Vixen file...for $5. It looked suspiciously like the "Body"
file I had used at ZAC. I bought it and it is surely one of the cheapest, most
used tools in my toolbox. It also works great for trimming/smoothing edges
on aluminum. It cuts, without leaving sharp edges.
Vixen file....body file....they're the same thing.
Dave
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Fulp" <jrfulp@ncia.net>
I'm looking for the "wet" weight for the SABIRU 3300. I don't like the reduction
drives (912) just for more parts, repairs, more $$. I'm building a 701 and
want to keep the weight as low as possible to install floats. The "dry" is 178
but we have seen the problems with advertised and real weight. I will be at sea
most of this winter but next spring will be the big push. This is just too
much fun.
B/R
John
REO MSC
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| Subject: | 601 heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Can you tell us how to use the database... I tried it and only came up with
owner names, one at a time. No addresses or contact info.
Thanks, Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 heavy left wing
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You might contact the Zenith factory to see if there are any 601s flying in
your area. The 601 that I did the TC inspections found a another
builder/owner about 40 miles away that let him fly from the right seat to
get a feel for the handling. Many builders are willing to give a ride so
that can share the joy.
You also might do a search for 601 in the FAA data base and see if there are
any in your area. I use www.landings.com as it has several easy searches
set up.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 heavy left wing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Cy,
> thanks for your reply. You're right, putting weight in the right wing
wouldn't be the best solution. Still, when a wing is heavy on Zodiacs, it
seems it's always the left one. People report being able to bank the
airplane just by leaning one way or the other in the cockpit, so part of the
problem would be with the pilot weighting the aircraft on the left side.
But sometimes people report the problem is extreme and even scarey. I have a
manual aileron trim, so my concern is with aileron authority on the first
flight.
>
> My technical advisor isn't familiar with Zodiacs; the nearest flight
advisor that has experience with Zodiacs is a 7 hour drive away, but I'm
going down there for instruction in an Alarus with him and informal
instruction with another experienced pilot in a 601 before my first flight.
I've heard the heavy wing doesn't show up in ground effect, so after your
reply am thinking the way to go might be to get proficient in aborting
take-offs on long runways after getting above ground effect.
>
> Thanks for adding your experience and expertise to the list, and for
continuing to remind everybody of the support EAA has made available.
>
> Bob Miller
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 heavy left wing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
As I said I use www.landings.com as it has an excellent search for various parameters. If you click on the link above you have to scroll down, at the bottom in the second from left column is data base. Click it. Then middle column should be A/C registration. Click on US. Use the multiple field registration search. Be advised that 601 is also used for other airplanes but I think you will get the most entries that way. You can limit the search to your state and enter 100 for the number searches.
You can check the box for printing just the records you want. e.g...
Check for printing
N-number : N221MW
Aircraft Serial Number : 6-3491
Aircraft Manufacturer : WOOD MARK A
Model : ZENITH 601
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : 0-200 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 2003
Owner Name : WOOD MARK A
Owner Address : 44 SEYMOUR ST
MIDDLEBURY, VT, 05753-1115
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 14-Oct-2003
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
It gives the address of the owner. You can use the people search at www.yahoo.com to possibly get a phone number or if you find a very promising address and can't find the phone number, get back to me as I may be able to get one for you or you could ask Zenith.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 heavy left wing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> Can you tell us how to use the database... I tried it and only came up with
> owner names, one at a time. No addresses or contact info.
> Thanks, Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 heavy left wing
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> You might contact the Zenith factory to see if there are any 601s flying in
> your area. The 601 that I did the TC inspections found a another
> builder/owner about 40 miles away that let him fly from the right seat to
> get a feel for the handling. Many builders are willing to give a ride so
> that can share the joy.
>
> You also might do a search for 601 in the FAA data base and see if there are
> any in your area. I use www.landings.com as it has several easy searches
> set up.
>
>
> Cy Galley
> EAA Safety Programs Editor
> Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
> To: "zenithlist matronics" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 heavy left wing
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
> >
> > Cy,
> > thanks for your reply. You're right, putting weight in the right wing
> wouldn't be the best solution. Still, when a wing is heavy on Zodiacs, it
> seems it's always the left one. People report being able to bank the
> airplane just by leaning one way or the other in the cockpit, so part of the
> problem would be with the pilot weighting the aircraft on the left side.
> But sometimes people report the problem is extreme and even scarey. I have a
> manual aileron trim, so my concern is with aileron authority on the first
> flight.
> >
> > My technical advisor isn't familiar with Zodiacs; the nearest flight
> advisor that has experience with Zodiacs is a 7 hour drive away, but I'm
> going down there for instruction in an Alarus with him and informal
> instruction with another experienced pilot in a 601 before my first flight.
> I've heard the heavy wing doesn't show up in ground effect, so after your
> reply am thinking the way to go might be to get proficient in aborting
> take-offs on long runways after getting above ground effect.
> >
> > Thanks for adding your experience and expertise to the list, and for
> continuing to remind everybody of the support EAA has made available.
> >
> > Bob Miller
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith's Air Riveter settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
Seems like the pressure is a little low to me. I never move my pressure and
it tops out at 100psi at the compressor, kicks in at about 75psi. I run a
100' of hose, so I don't know exactly what it is at the gun. This is my
third aircraft using this same Campbell Hausfield $39 Pneumatic riveter.
I've yet to pull a rivet thru and they all seal good. You can make your own
Domed heads, use a drill press with a larger bit, nice and easy. Anyway,
it works for me. I got tired of always changing heads so I tried an A4 with
an A5 head, worked fine, I never change heads anymore unless I am using a 6
or SS. It actually dropped the stem out a little better. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith's Air Riveter settings
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I decided to pick up the pneumatic air riveter that ZAC supplies to
> replace my old Harbor Freight unit, mostly since the ZAC unit came with
> the domed heads.
>
> I connected a small adjustable pressure guage to it. My guage may be
> off, but it seems that I need to set about 40 PSI (reading taken when
> trigger pulled) to pull an A4 (1/8") rivet, and about 50 PSI for the A5
> rivets. The rivet manual says 32 PSI for the A4 and 46 PSI for the A5.
> I'm not so worried about the differential on the A5, but if my guage is
> right, I'm having to pull close to 8-10 PSI more than recommended to pop
> the A4s.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tnx,
> Gary
> N801GC (reserved)
>
>
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| Subject: | vixen file and sandbag loading |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Hello Paul and other listers:
I couldn't locate a vixen file at my local hardware stores, but I found a laminate
file, used for formica countertops and such. It works much the same for deburring
the edges of cut sheets. I never tried it for deburring holes, but for
aluminum sheet and plate it works great. I deburr holes with a drill bit chucked
into a cordless screwdriver. That turns slowly enough that I don't countersink
the hole. It's more like using a handheld drill bit.
When loading a wing for static test the sandbags are stacked to duplicate the airload
distribution that the wing will see in the flight condition being simulated.
The load distribution from root to tip is roughly elliptical. The actual
distribution depends on the planform shape of the surface being tested. For
a rectangular planform like the 701, 801 and 601HD the distribution is biased
somewhat more toward the tip. For a tapered planform like the 601 HDS or the
XL it's pretty close to elliptical. That's one of the reasons for tapering
the planform.
George
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