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1. 02:40 AM - List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) (Elwood140@aol.com)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: 701 extra ribs? Here is one reason..... (Philip Condon)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) (Benford2@aol.com)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: 701 extra ribs? (Larry)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: 701 extra ribs? Here is one reason..... (Larry)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: Ch601 squawks (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 08:27 AM - Re:TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (RURUNY@aol.com)
9. 09:31 AM - A Good Word for the FAA (Leo Gates)
10. 10:00 AM - Fw: a/c eligibility question (Jeff Small)
11. 10:46 AM - Re: Oil Canning (wizard-24@juno.com)
12. 11:01 AM - Re: A Good Word for the FAA (Jeffrey Glasserow)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) (Gary Gower)
14. 11:27 AM - Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) (Gary Gower)
15. 11:51 AM - Re: Re:TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (Gary Gower)
16. 12:14 PM - Re: Oil Canning (george may)
17. 12:29 PM - Re: Fw: a/c eligibility question (Jim Pellien)
18. 01:02 PM - Re: Oil Canning (wizard-24@juno.com)
19. 02:25 PM - Tire Mounting (Kent Brown)
20. 03:35 PM - Tire Mounting (George Swinford)
21. 03:36 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Zed Smith)
22. 03:39 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (ron wehba)
23. 03:45 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Larry McFarland)
24. 03:52 PM - Re: A Good Word for the FAA (Leo Gates)
25. 04:05 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Aaron)
26. 04:13 PM - Re: Fw: a/c eligibility question (Leo Gates)
27. 04:18 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Leo Gates)
28. 04:25 PM - Re: A Good Word for the FAA (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
29. 05:01 PM - Re: A Good Word for the FAA (Randy Stout)
30. 05:05 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Gary Gower)
31. 05:16 PM - Re: Oil Canning (Jeff Small)
32. 05:47 PM - Re: A Good Word for the FAA (Jeffrey Glasserow)
33. 05:58 PM - Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) (Chuck Deiterich)
34. 06:05 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Rich)
35. 06:33 PM - Re: Oil Canning (Larry)
36. 06:33 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Larry)
37. 07:37 PM - Re: Tire Mounting (Ron Butterfield)
38. 10:07 PM - 701 gear (Brandon Tucker)
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
Gary, great news! I'm always delighted to hear about first flights of 701s.
You and your associates can be proud of your accomplishments. I look forward
to seeing your pictures. Best wishes and another small prayer for your Dad.
Regards,
Larry Wood
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| Subject: | Re: 701 extra ribs? Here is one reason..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
The PegaStol wing needs the extra ribs to house or support the spring
retractors for the leading edge cuff. Think about it..I order to sandwich or
support the retractor body you sandwich it between two ribs that are 2 or
three inches apart. You box in the spring housing with two ribs and
upper/lower wing skin.
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| Subject: | Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
Congrats to you guys down there......
Ben Haas N801BH
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| Subject: | Re: 701 extra ribs? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
Check their site, it's in one of the studies.
http://www.dedaliusaviation.com/newdedalius/anglais.htm
There are over 8 more sq ft of surface area, you figure. Larry N1345L
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 extra ribs?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" <jnbolding1@mail.ev1.net>
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> They add a little weight, but also increase
> >useful load by 100 pounds.
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> Who says??
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| Subject: | Re: 701 extra ribs? Here is one reason..... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
No springs are used. They simply slide on tracks. Check my site under
wings for pictures. www.angelfire.com/un/ch701.
That might be one of the reason as I am sure there are many others, the main
one being quality and strength. To me it's just a much better product.
Zeniths are just ok, passable, they do the job. That's all that can be said
about them. They are what they are. Zenith takes the easy route (for them)
on every thing they do. I'm not bad mouthing them, just saying it as it is.
Larry N1345L
P.S. Just to be fair, PegaStol has a much better wing, but their
instructions and communications really sucks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 extra ribs? Here is one reason.....
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Philip Condon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> The PegaStol wing needs the extra ribs to house or support the spring
> retractors for the leading edge cuff. Think about it..I order to sandwich
or
> support the retractor body you sandwich it between two ribs that are 2 or
> three inches apart. You box in the spring housing with two ribs and
> upper/lower wing skin.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I'm not sure how heavy the 0235 is in respect of what the empty weight
of the plane comes out to be. Remember as a SP you are limited and the
HDS can safly fly up to 1300lbs gross. Make sure your target (or plated)
gross minus empty, minus full fuel minus your and your PX weight gives
you enough margin to carry all the bags you need.
Try to get the weight off each wheel in turn and grab the gear shaft and
rock each back and forth to check for wear.
Push the tail/rudder in and out, wear in the tail hinges is common but
is usually not enough to worry about.
Check the engine mounts where they bolt onto the frame on the INSIDE of
the fire wall...Use a mirror and a flashlight. Make sure there are no
cracks in the welded brackets.
Good luck...:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Kubassek
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch601 squawks
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek"
--> <dkubassek@golden.net>
Well ,all i can tell you is that after speaking with a prominent
individual in the Zenith Group of individuals when questioning them at
sun&fun a couple years ago with regards to engine selection,( and by the
way i had in my own mind pretty much determind i wanted a real aircraft
engine in the 601 XL i was building) Upon mention of the option of 0235
this individual responded "As far as I'm concerned,our prototype with
the 0235 is as far as I'm concerned the best one of the whole lot" Hence
,needless to say i installed the 0235 in mine, with No Regret what so
ever at if i may add at 1/2 ,yes 1/2 the cost of the popular
alternatives, Yes, i am consuming a couple gallons more per hr. but for
15,000 i can buy alot of fuel and have a lot of peace of mind to boot.
so my 2 cents worth is the 0235 is a plus no a minus in any way shape
or form... I would say the plane should be just nicely broke in,ready
for some serious flying Good Luck dave kubassek C_FDSF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Ch601 squawks
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
<jeffglass@starband.net>
>
> Hi guys, the saga continues! I've reached a purchase agreement with
> the owner of the HDS and my A&P and I are going up to inspect the
> plane on
Nove
> 18. I've been given some specific areas to look at carefully in light
> of the heavier engine that is mounted (0-235) and I'd greatly
> appreciate any and all suggestions that members of the list might have
> for things to look for during the inspection. NOTHING is to
> insignificant since I don't know the builder and the current owner
> really doesn't know much about the plane other than it's fun to fly...
> Plane currently has 180 hrs TT and same for engine. ANy help would be
> appreciated! Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | re:TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Gary,
Congratulations on the sucessful flights! Enjoy the flying days ahead! It
must feel good!
Thanks for all your contributions to the list, I hope you stick around.
Brian
701 Long Island NY
_http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/_
(http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/)
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| Subject: | A Good Word for the FAA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
N601Z. CH601 TDS, Tail Dragger, was inspected 11/3/2004 and passed, except
for the data plate. I know I was warned by the guys on this list. My
registration says the model is a CH601 HDS. On the data plate I added Super
Zodiac, this did not fly.
I had a brand new DAR, first inspection, so the head inspector came along
and brought another brand new DAR, so he could see how it is done. I had
three guys crawling all over and in the plane for three hours. They kept
apologizing. I kept assuring them that the time, I felt, was well spent. I
knew I was getting a though inspection.
They thought the ZAC turnbuckles were a practical and effective good idea
I mounted my Aeroflash Strobe/Nav lights to conform to the Fiberglass tips.
I did not install them horizontally and build up the mounting pads as
suggested by some on the list. The inspectors thought they looked nice and
streamlined.
Bottom line. I needed to file a rough spot on the left wing where the
aileron pushrod exited, tighten a jam nut on my elevator trim and add a
couple of nylon ties. They apologized that the data plate had to be redone.
What a pleasant and HELPFUL experience!
Now, if I can get my Medical back, I can go fly.
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| Subject: | Fw: a/c eligibility question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Group,
Thought you might be interested in the "official lists" answer that Joe gives below.
Leo, if you weren't denied your medical (though I have a stinkin' suspicion that
is the case), go fly that taildragger!
regards jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Norris
Subject: RE: a/c eligibility question
We are pleased to provide this info as an EAA membership benefit.
To ensure that this service continues, renew your membership or join EAA today
by calling 800-843-3612 or 920-426-5912.
Visit EAA on the web at www.eaa.org
Hello Jeff,
A sport pilot can fly ANY aircraft that meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft
(LSA) as called out in 14 CFR 1.1. The certification category of the
aircraft is not an issue. Sport pilots can fly standard, primary, or experimental
category aircraft (including amateur-built), so long as the aircraft meets
the LSA definition. The aircraft does not have to be on any list, and there
are no "official" lists of aircraft that qualify for operation by sport pilots.
The aircraft simply needs to meet the LSA definition.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions.
Joe Norris
EAA Aviation Services
EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI
888-322-4636, extension 6806
jnorris@eaa.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Small [mailto:zodiacjeff@msn.com]
Subject: a/c eligibility question
Good Morning InfoFolks,
Any idea when the powers that be will promulgate a list of kit or scratch built
experimental a/c (such as Kitfox, Rans 6, CH701) that meet LSA criteria and may
be flown by a SP? As I understand things now, only certified a/c that meet
the regs can be legally flown.
Thanks again, Jeff Small 329758
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> a heat gun followed up with some cold water to quench, 99% of the
> wave and all of the oil canning is gone. It was like magic!
Any chance you could expand on this process? I've heard rumours in the
past that heat & cold can shrink aluminum, but wondered about the actual
process, and how much shrinkage could actually be acheived.
Thanks,
Mike Fortunato
601XL
Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!
Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.
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| Subject: | A Good Word for the FAA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
DId you lose your medial or did it lapse! If it lapsed clean, and your
plane meets Light sport aircraft specs, IE.
1320 lbs gross weight, FIxed gear, Fixed or ground adjustable prop, Max
cruise speed 120K, max loaded stall speed of 51 MPH
GO FLY IT! If your medical was denied, taken away or any other nasty thing,
You'll have to apply for a special waiver.
IN other words, HOW DID YOU GET YOUR PLANE CERTIFICATED? Remember, YOU are
the manufacturer and the numbers you submit are the numbers the FAA goes by.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Leo Gates
Subject: Zenith-List: A Good Word for the FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
N601Z. CH601 TDS, Tail Dragger, was inspected 11/3/2004 and passed, except
for the data plate. I know I was warned by the guys on this list. My
registration says the model is a CH601 HDS. On the data plate I added Super
Zodiac, this did not fly.
I had a brand new DAR, first inspection, so the head inspector came along
and brought another brand new DAR, so he could see how it is done. I had
three guys crawling all over and in the plane for three hours. They kept
apologizing. I kept assuring them that the time, I felt, was well spent. I
knew I was getting a though inspection.
They thought the ZAC turnbuckles were a practical and effective good idea
I mounted my Aeroflash Strobe/Nav lights to conform to the Fiberglass tips.
I did not install them horizontally and build up the mounting pads as
suggested by some on the list. The inspectors thought they looked nice and
streamlined.
Bottom line. I needed to file a rough spot on the left wing where the
aileron pushrod exited, tighten a jam nut on my elevator trim and add a
couple of nylon ties. They apologized that the data plate had to be redone.
What a pleasant and HELPFUL experience!
Now, if I can get my Medical back, I can go fly.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Larry,
Thank you very much for your kind words, is something great for us in
feelings, you can't imagine...
Please, to all builders, keep building... Is a great thing to see our
own plane fly for the first time, ZAC (and Chez Airplanes) look simple
to build and fly, they are! You will love how they fly more than you
enjoyed to build them. Keep them as light and simple as possible...
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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--- Elwood140@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Elwood140@aol.com
>
> Gary, great news! I'm always delighted to hear about first flights
> of 701s.
> You and your associates can be proud of your accomplishments. I look
> forward
> to seeing your pictures. Best wishes and another small prayer for
> your Dad.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Wood
> Do Not Archive
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__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Thanks a lot Ben.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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--- Benford2@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
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> Congrats to you guys down there......
>
> Ben Haas N801BH
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Bryan,
Sure I will stay in the list, with lots of questions also (hope
"bright" ones:-): Now we are building our first 601 XL kit... and
another 701 kit at the same time.
Thanks to everyone for the support with the 701 (aviaiton is learning
always) and thanks in advance to the list for answering the future 601
questions. Now back to work.
Saludos
Gary Gower
"Compulsive Builder" :-)
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--- RURUNY@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
>
> Gary,
> Congratulations on the sucessful flights! Enjoy the flying days
> ahead! It
> must feel good!
> Thanks for all your contributions to the list, I hope you stick
> around.
>
> Brian
> 701 Long Island NY
> _http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/_
> (http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/)
>
>
__________________________________
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
we used the heat gun to heat the general area where the wave/oil canning
was. It
was heated until it was uncomfortable to the touch. We generally worked
about
a 12 inch by 12 inch area with the heat gun. When we decided it was hot
enough
the area was immediately cooled using a towel soaked in ice water.
My tech counselor indicated that he uses a surface buffer to heat the area
he wants to work on (I didn't have one thus the heat gun)
I'm still working some areas. It's not a perfect solution but it sure
made
things look better than when I started.
If this is not clear enough let me know and I'll try some more------------
George May
Kingston NH
>From: wizard-24@juno.com
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oil Canning
>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:44:51 -0800
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
>
>
> > a heat gun followed up with some cold water to quench, 99% of the
> > wave and all of the oil canning is gone. It was like magic!
>
>Any chance you could expand on this process? I've heard rumours in the
>past that heat & cold can shrink aluminum, but wondered about the actual
>process, and how much shrinkage could actually be acheived.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Fortunato
>601XL
>
>Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!
>Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: a/c eligibility question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
If you would like to see the latest list of eligible Light Sport Aircraft (in all
categories
including amateur-built) go to the following EAA webpage:
http://www.sportpilot.org/lsa/likely_lsa.html
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Region
SportsPlanes.com
703-851-9375
www.sportsplanes.com
jim@sportsplanes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Small
Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: a/c eligibility question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Group,
Thought you might be interested in the "official lists" answer that Joe gives below.
Leo, if you weren't denied your medical (though I have a stinkin' suspicion that
is the case), go
fly that taildragger!
regards jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Norris
Subject: RE: a/c eligibility question
We are pleased to provide this info as an EAA membership benefit.
To ensure that this service continues, renew your membership or join EAA today
by calling
800-843-3612 or 920-426-5912.
Visit EAA on the web at www.eaa.org
Hello Jeff,
A sport pilot can fly ANY aircraft that meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft
(LSA) as
called out in 14 CFR 1.1. The certification category of the aircraft is not an
issue. Sport
pilots can fly standard, primary, or experimental category aircraft (including
amateur-built), so
long as the aircraft meets the LSA definition. The aircraft does not have to be
on any list, and
there are no "official" lists of aircraft that qualify for operation by sport pilots.
The aircraft
simply needs to meet the LSA definition.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions.
Joe Norris
EAA Aviation Services
EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI
888-322-4636, extension 6806
jnorris@eaa.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Small [mailto:zodiacjeff@msn.com]
Subject: a/c eligibility question
Good Morning InfoFolks,
Any idea when the powers that be will promulgate a list of kit or scratch built
experimental a/c
(such as Kitfox, Rans 6, CH701) that meet LSA criteria and may be flown by a SP?
As I understand
things now, only certified a/c that meet the regs can be legally flown.
Thanks again, Jeff Small 329758
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> we used the heat gun to heat the general area where the wave/oil
> canning was. It was heated until it was uncomfortable to the touch.
We generally
> worked about a 12 inch by 12 inch area with the heat gun. When we
decided it was
> hot enough the area was immediately cooled using a towel soaked in ice
water.
> My tech counselor indicated that he uses a surface buffer to heat
> the area he wants to work on (I didn't have one thus the heat gun)
> I'm still working some areas. It's not a perfect solution but it
> sure made things look better than when I started.
> If this is not clear enough let me know and I'll try some
> more------------
Thanks George, I'll plan to try that in a couple of spots as well. And
just a thought -- this tip should probably be included in that 601.org
web site that one poster was nice enough to create.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some Murphy's
Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it is, so
I'm wondering what else is acceptable to lube the tire bead. How about
using WD-40 or silicone lubricant? Appreciate any suggestions.
Kent
601HDS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Hi Kent:
I used liquid dish detergent, diluted somewhat, as I remember. Worked OK for me.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some Murphy's
Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it is, so
I'm wondering what else is acceptable to lube the tire bead. How about
using WD-40 or silicone lubricant? Appreciate any suggestions.
Kent
601HDS
Try "Go-Jo" hand cleaner, or some other creamy (without grit) hand soap.
Ivory Liquid , maybe. As long as it is "slick" you can pop those tires right on
the rims.
Nearly any "slick-em" will do, but stay away from those labeled as having bleaching
action.
Zed/701/R912/same old 90+%
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
just use plain ol' dish washing liquid!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tire Mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
> I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some Murphy's
> Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it is,
so
> I'm wondering what else is acceptable to lube the tire bead. How about
> using WD-40 or silicone lubricant? Appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Kent
> 601HDS
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Kent,
If the wheels split, why should it be any trouble to put the tubes and tires
inside the rims and then assemble the wheels. I believe this might be
easier
and you'll not scratch anything.
Larry McFarland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tire Mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
> I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some Murphy's
> Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it is,
> so
> I'm wondering what else is acceptable to lube the tire bead. How about
> using WD-40 or silicone lubricant? Appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Kent
> 601HDS
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
My medical is still pending. I took the exam on 12/17/2003!!!!! A comedy
of errors and FAA inefficiency has resulted in the fact that I, THINK, I'll
get my medical approved in about two more weeks.
Interesting conversation with the FAA inspectors of my plane: I have a
Magnum Ivoprop, inflight adjustable prop. The inspectors agreed with me -
If I put a "Do not adjust propeller in flight" plaque on the instrument
panel, that makes it ground adjustable. The chief inspector said, "Who
knows what speed the plane will stall at until you test it. If you say it
stalls at 51 MPH, we are not going to question you."
Leo Gates
N601Z 99.9999% done
Do not archive.
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A Good Word for the FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband
net>
DId you lose your medial or did it lapse! If it lapsed clean, and your
plane meets Light sport aircraft specs, IE.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Could we be looking for Murphy's Oil Soap, a furniture or leather cleaning
product?
do not archive
>
> I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some Murphy's
> Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it is,
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: a/c eligibility question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
I SHOULD have my medical in a week or two.
Leo Gates
Do not archive.
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: a/c eligibility question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Group,
Thought you might be interested in the "official lists" answer that Joe
gives below.
Leo, if you weren't denied your medical (though I have a stinkin' suspicion
that is the case), go fly that taildragger!
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
If they are tube type, like mine, you can use talcum powder. I did.
Leo Gates
N601Z, 99.9999% done
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Tire Mounting
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some Murphy's
Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it is, so
I'm wondering what else is acceptable to lube the tire bead. How about
using WD-40 or silicone lubricant? Appreciate any suggestions.
Kent
601HDS
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
What a laugh....Do you think a glassair 3 retractible could be LSA
compatible...I mean you could have lots of placards,
"Do not exceed 120kts, do no retract landing gear and do not cycle
prop"...Just put 51mph for the stall speed and everything can be flown
by a "Sport Pilot"....:)
Frank
601HDS Sport pilot compatible
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leo Gates
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A Good Word for the FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
My medical is still pending. I took the exam on 12/17/2003!!!!! A
comedy of errors and FAA inefficiency has resulted in the fact that I,
THINK, I'll get my medical approved in about two more weeks.
Interesting conversation with the FAA inspectors of my plane: I have a
Magnum Ivoprop, inflight adjustable prop. The inspectors agreed with me
- If I put a "Do not adjust propeller in flight" plaque on the
instrument panel, that makes it ground adjustable. The chief inspector
said, "Who knows what speed the plane will stall at until you test it.
If you say it stalls at 51 MPH, we are not going to question you."
Leo Gates
N601Z 99.9999% done
Do not archive.
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A Good Word for the FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow"
--> <jeffglass@starband
net>
DId you lose your medial or did it lapse! If it lapsed clean, and your
plane meets Light sport aircraft specs, IE.
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| Subject: | A Good Word for the FAA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Leo
Have you flown a 601 before? I have about 14 more hours of test time on mine, then
I'll be able to take passengers. I'll offer a familization ride after I'm
finished. Hopefully before the end of the month. Only catch is that my wife has
to get a ride first. She's been anxiously waiting for a long time.
Randy Stout
n282rs "at" earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
My medical is still pending. I took the exam on 12/17/2003!!!!! A comedy
of errors and FAA inefficiency has resulted in the fact that I, THINK, I'll
get my medical approved in about two more weeks.
Interesting conversation with the FAA inspectors of my plane: I have a
Magnum Ivoprop, inflight adjustable prop. The inspectors agreed with me -
If I put a "Do not adjust propeller in flight" plaque on the instrument
panel, that makes it ground adjustable. The chief inspector said, "Who
knows what speed the plane will stall at until you test it. If you say it
stalls at 51 MPH, we are not going to question you."
Leo Gates
N601Z 99.9999% done
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Any soapy water works great, dont use to much, aply with a piece of
rug to the tire area, will slip into the rim when inflated.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford"
> <grs-pms@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Kent:
>
> I used liquid dish detergent, diluted somewhat, as I remember.
> Worked OK for me.
>
> George
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
> a heat gun followed up with some cold water to quench, 99% of the
> wave and all of the oil canning is gone. It was like magic!
..and what happens the first time you park the a/c in direct sunlight on a hot
July day?
do not archive
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| Subject: | A Good Word for the FAA |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Go for it!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Leo Gates
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A Good Word for the FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo Gates" <leogates@allvantage.com>
My medical is still pending. I took the exam on 12/17/2003!!!!! A comedy
of errors and FAA inefficiency has resulted in the fact that I, THINK, I'll
get my medical approved in about two more weeks.
Interesting conversation with the FAA inspectors of my plane: I have a
Magnum Ivoprop, inflight adjustable prop. The inspectors agreed with me -
If I put a "Do not adjust propeller in flight" plaque on the instrument
panel, that makes it ground adjustable. The chief inspector said, "Who
knows what speed the plane will stall at until you test it. If you say it
stalls at 51 MPH, we are not going to question you."
Leo Gates
N601Z 99.9999% done
Do not archive.
-------Original Message-------
From: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A Good Word for the FAA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband
net>
DId you lose your medial or did it lapse! If it lapsed clean, and your
plane meets Light sport aircraft specs, IE.
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| Subject: | Re: TWO FIRST FLIGHTS in one week end! (a little long post) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Gary,
Congratulations. I flew N701TX today, smooth and cool. Still getting about
3.8 gal/hr. What great airplanes from ZAC.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Jabiru 2200
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rich" <rbauer@intergate.com>
Baby powder works pretty good too.
Rich
801
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tire Mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Any soapy water works great, dont use to much, aply with a piece of
> rug to the tire area, will slip into the rim when inflated.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> --- George Swinford <grs-pms@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "George Swinford"
> > <grs-pms@comcast.net>
> >
> > Hi Kent:
> >
> > I used liquid dish detergent, diluted somewhat, as I remember.
> > Worked OK for me.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > _->
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> www.yahoo.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
Just don't pour cold water on it!! Or immediately put in it the A/C Hanger.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Oil Canning
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
>
> > a heat gun followed up with some cold water to quench, 99% of the
> > wave and all of the oil canning is gone. It was like magic!
>
> ..and what happens the first time you park the a/c in direct sunlight on a
hot July day?
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
Wal-Mart has it. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tire Mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Aaron" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
> Could we be looking for Murphy's Oil Soap, a furniture or leather cleaning
> product?
> do not archive
>
> >
> > I am about to mount my main gear tires, and went looking for some
Murphy's
> > Tire Soap. None of the local auto supply places seem to know what it
is,
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ron Butterfield <r_butterfield@earthlink.net>
I've been mounting my motorcycle tires myself for years, and another local
rider who is a scientist did an analysis of rubber lubricant and shared the
results.
Anyway, I stuck the ingredients for the store bought stuff, as well as how
to make it yourself, up on a text page online:
http://home.mebtel.net/~rbutterfield/TireLube.txt
Regards,
RonB
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Gents,
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