---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/14/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - Rivet questions (Dabusmith@aol.com) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: Rivet questions (Roger Roy) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: 601XL Landing & Nose Gear (bryanmmartin@comcast.net) 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Rivet questions (Dave) 5. 07:14 AM - How to modify the riveter head (Matt & Jo) 6. 07:55 AM - Re: How to modify the riveter head (Carlos Sa) 7. 08:55 AM - Re: How to modify the riveter head (Randy L. Thwing) 8. 01:24 PM - Jabiru USA's New Home (Pete Krotje) 9. 02:22 PM - Flying the 601 (Michel Therrien) 10. 02:45 PM - Re: Jabiru USA's New Home (Jeffrey Davidson) 11. 03:44 PM - Nose gear dropping on landing (Dr. Perry Morrison) 12. 04:07 PM - Re: Nose gear dropping on landing (Dave Alberti) 13. 04:48 PM - Re: Nose gear dropping on landing (George Swinford) 14. 04:55 PM - 701 Lexan Windows / Fuel Caps / Paint Questions (Walt Cannon) 15. 06:39 PM - Re: Nose gear dropping on landing (Frank Jones) 16. 07:21 PM - Re: 701 Lexan Windows / Fuel Caps / Paint Questions (Mike Sinclair) 17. 08:23 PM - Nose gear drop (George Swinford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:12 AM PST US From: Dabusmith@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet questions --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com >First, has anyone built a Zenith using primarily solid rivets? Yes, you can substitute the next size smaller solid rivet for the Avex. 3/32 solid replaces 1/8 Avex for the same pitch. I put solid rivets in all the main structural areas. I did that mainly because solid rivets were cheaper. >Second, when I pull the Avex rivets with either a hand tool or the Zenith supplied gun, they always leave a small gap between the outer edge of the rivet and the skin. No gaps allowed. When your finished and flying, gaps under rivets would loosen and lead to corrosion. The gaps would also drive you nuts when you tried to prep for painting. The rivet puller head should be shaped until there is no gap under the pulled rivet head. Most guys install some rivets in a piece of scrap material and check them for gaps and voids by cutting the rivet in half vertically with a cutoff wheel or sander. You will then be able to inspect the shaped rivet head. 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When we purchase rivet pulling tools be it hand or air are not the milled heads checked for accuracy? Annual/Acceptance checks, and pre-flight, wether it be solid or pull rivet are to be inspected for looseness, broken, missing, corroded rivets. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet questions > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com > > >First, has anyone built a Zenith using primarily solid rivets? > > Yes, you can substitute the next size smaller solid rivet for the > Avex. > 3/32 solid replaces 1/8 Avex for the same pitch. I put solid rivets in > all the > main structural areas. I did that mainly because solid rivets were > cheaper. > > >Second, when I pull the Avex rivets with either a hand tool or the > >Zenith > supplied gun, they always leave a small gap between the outer edge of the > rivet and the skin. > > No gaps allowed. When your finished and flying, gaps under rivets would > loosen and lead to corrosion. The gaps would also drive you nuts when you > tried > to prep for painting. The rivet puller head should be shaped until there > is > no gap under the pulled rivet head. Most guys install some rivets in a > piece > of scrap material and check them for gaps and voids by cutting the rivet > in > half vertically with a cutoff wheel or sander. You will then be able to > inspect the shaped rivet head. > > Dave Smith > Graham WA > > > _-===================================================================== > _-> _-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- > _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) > _-> _-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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It gets worse the further forward the CG is. This is probably done to prevent the tail from hitting the ground when you climb into the plane over the back of the wing. You don't want your weight on the step to shift CG back to a point behind the mains. The Cessnas I usually fly don't have this problem because you enter a Cessna from a door that is right over the main wheels. I am thinking about turning my main gear spring around so that it sweeps forward. This would move the mains about four inches forward and I still think I can climb in with out dropping the tail. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In phase I testing. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" > > Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on > landing? It seems that no matter how hard I try and no matter how gently > the main gear comes down, the nose just wants to come down right away > and there's no way to let it down nicely. I'm assuming this is a > feature. > > Frank Jones > C-GYXQ 601XL 912S > One reason for this is that the main wheels are so far behind the CG. It gets worse the further forward the CG is. This is probablydone to prevent the tail from hitting the ground when you climb into the plane over the back of the wing. You don't want your weight on the step to shift CG back to a point behind the mains. The Cessnas I usually fly don't have this problem because you enter a Cessna from a door that is right over the main wheels. I am thinking about turning my main gear spring around so that it sweeps forward. This would move the mains about four inches forward and I still think I can climb in with out dropping the tail. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In phase I testing. do not archive -------------- Original message -------------- -- Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on landing? It seems that no matter how hard I try and no matter how gently the main gear comes down, the nose just wants to come down right away and there's no way to let it down nicely. I'm assuming this is a feature. Frank Jones C-GYXQ 601XL 912S _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Either you are using the A5 head to pull A4 or it's not made correctly. Especially if you have a true 90 psi on the gun. The fact of the rivet stem staying in the gun is exactly how I like it! I used the small plastic parts bins available at most hardware stores to hold clecos as I put them in and out. I used a second to catch the stems as I release the handle. This way you have no stems floating around where you don't want them or need them. Rivet stems have an affinity for rubber tires, be it the airplane or the family car and it's amazing how much a beer can full of them weighs (that's where I put them later). Dave > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keith Norton > Second, when I pull the Avex rivets with either a hand tool or the Zenith supplied gun, they always leave a small gap between the outer edge of the rivet and the skin. 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I have been assembling tools. I went down to the Yard Store here in Wichita. They have a lot of great stuff. Got used clecos for .25 each. They are a great source and have a website. http://www.yardstore.com/ I picked up a rivet gun at Harbor Freight. I am wondering the best way to modify the head for the domed rivets. I am sure that everyone has gone through this. What is the best way to do this??? Thanks for the help Cheers Matt _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Searching the archives will probably help, too. Carlos --- Matt & Jo wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" > > Hello all, > > Well I have the plans and the Tail Kit is on the way! I have been assembling tools. I went > down to the Yard Store here in Wichita. They have a lot of great stuff. Got used clecos for .25 > each. They are a great source and have a website. http://www.yardstore.com/ > > I picked up a rivet gun at Harbor Freight. I am wondering the best way to modify the head for > the domed rivets. I am sure that everyone has gone through this. What is the best way to do > this??? _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: How to modify the riveter head --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy L. Thwing" I am wondering the best way to modify the head for the domed rivets. What is the best way to do this??? From the Zenith archives: The Dremel works fine and fast, use a small green round ball (silicon carbide) or any other stone that has a point or round end, Put the riviet gun head in the lathe chuck and while spinning it, fire off the moto-tool, hold it with both hands braced against whatever is nearby, and shape the end in a nice conical shape, starting from the hole in the center and working outward, keep the cone shallow, you can always go deeper. No gottem lathe? Sure you do, put your fastest turning pistol grip drill motor in your workbench vise, usually upside down with pistol grip up, (up is towards the sky for you airplane builders!) tighten vise enough to hold drill case, not crushing it where the armature will never turn again! Place the rivet head in the drill chuck and lock the trigger back and grind away. Takes longer to describe than to do, finish with emery cloth if your stones grind course. Hope this helps. Regards, Randy L. Thwing, 701/plans _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on the _-= Contribution link below to find out more about this _-= year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided by the _-= The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com! _-_-= List Contribution Web Site _-_-= http://www.matronics.com/contribution _-_-= Thank you for your generous support! _-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. _-_-===================================================================== _-= - The Zenith-List Email Forum - _-= This forum is sponsored entirely through the Contributions _-= of List members. 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I'm still walking several feet above ground.... I did my solo cross-country flight today! :) (big time smile). Went to Sherbrooke and then went to Trois-rivires. Very nice trip and Trois-rivire is a very nice airport! I'll definitely go back there. Final leg to Mascouche was uneventful except for the fact that there was zillions of other planes in the sky. It is amazing that at every airport I went, people came by to see the plane. On a previous cross-country flight with my instructor, a controller (Ottawa terminal) even maintained a discussion about Zodiacs and my engine for 15 minutes! He is about to order a kit for a 601 XL. Next step, pre-test on tuesday... and I forgot books/notes at the airport today... With nearly 15 hours of flight training (solo and dual) in the last week, we can call that a productive week! 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Always needs a bit of a tug on the stick to rotate on t/off. However I have discovered the engine mount places the thrust line 3 deg below horizontal and I hope after correcting it the behaviour will disappear. --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 11/12/2004 1:30:07 PM Mountain Standard Time, fjones@sympatico.ca writes: > > Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on > landing? It seems that no matter how hard I try and no matter how gently > the main gear comes down, the nose just wants to come down right away > and there's no way to let it down nicely. I'm assuming this is a > feature. > > Frank Jones > C-GYXQ 601XL 912S > > 801's do the same thing.. Must be a Chris Heinz feature.... 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Just holding the position is not enough to hold it off, I have to give it the additional pull. Dave > Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on > landing? _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on the _-= Contribution link below to find out more about this _-= year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided by the _-= The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com! _-_-= List Contribution Web Site _-_-= http://www.matronics.com/contribution _-_-= Thank you for your generous support! _-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. _-_-===================================================================== _-= - The Zenith-List Email Forum - _-= This forum is sponsored entirely through the Contributions _-= of List members. 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Below 5% nose wheel steering may be poor. Above 10% or so problems of take off rotation and nose gear slapdown may show up. Has anyone calculated or measured this at a typical landing weight and CG. This would help to answer the question "Did Chris put the main gear too far aft?" Somehow I doubt that he did. If he excceded 10% or so, I'll bet he had a good reason for doing so. FWIW-George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Perry Morrison" Subject: Zenith-List: Nose gear dropping on landing > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dr. Perry Morrison" > > > My HD has always had this feature and never flies off. Always needs a bit of > > a tug on the stick to rotate on t/off. However I have discovered the engine mount places > > the thrust line 3 deg below horizontal and I hope after correcting it the behaviour > > will disappear. > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/12/2004 1:30:07 PM Mountain Standard Time, > fjones@sympatico.ca writes: > > > > > > Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on > > landing? It seems that no matter how hard I try and no matter how > gently > > the main gear comes down, the nose just wants to come down right away > > and there's no way to let it down nicely. I'm assuming this is a > > feature. > > > > Frank Jones > > C-GYXQ 601XL 912S > > > > > > 801's do the same thing.. 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I know that I am not the only one that has crazing and cracks on my windows as a result of gasoline from the drains. When the doors are up and latched and I am taxiing, they can easily bounce up far enough to hit the drains and cause some fuel to dribble onto the window. The drains can also dribble if the doors are left in the up position. Has anyone come up with any ideas to deal with this? A bumper in the back that prevents the door from hitting the drain? A different drain? Plexiglas windows instead of lexan (better gas resistance)? What are folks with the bubble windows doing...it seems like with the window bulged out, the problem would be worse. How about those of you using gas struts to hold the doors up? 2) Do other 701 drivers find that the Zenith provided gas caps seem to siphon or leak some fuel during flight? I know they are vented on purpose and I am seeing some evidence of leakage on my upper wing skins. Has anyone created more traditional sealed caps with a forward facing vent pressure tube installed? 3) I am contemplating have a auto body shop spray my 701 this winter. Most of them are not experienced with alodining so I thought about going with a self etching primer and compatible paint system like I did on an RV-6 I built a few years ago. Any good recent experiences with this kind of primer/paint approach? Thanks in advance Walt Cannon 701 912S - 60 hrs _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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And the total a/c weight is 749. Certainly well north of 10%. I suspect the placement of the main gear is the main issue, but as noted it's likely where it is due to the necessary rear step. I'll see if I can train myself to pull back a bit after the main gear is down as has been suggested. Thanks. Frank Jones >As I remember my old airplane design texts, the nose gear should be >carrying >5% to 10% of the airplane's weight. Below 5% nose wheel steering may be >poor. Above 10% or so problems of take off rotation and nose gear >slapdown >may show up. Has anyone calculated or measured this at a typical landing >weight and CG. This would help to answer the question "Did Chris put the >main gear too far aft?" Somehow I doubt that he did. If he excceded 10% or >so, I'll bet he had a good reason for doing so. > >FWIW-George _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on the _-= Contribution link below to find out more about this _-= year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided by the _-= The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com! _-_-= List Contribution Web Site _-_-= http://www.matronics.com/contribution _-_-= Thank you for your generous support! _-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. _-_-===================================================================== _-= - The Zenith-List Email Forum - _-= This forum is sponsored entirely through the Contributions _-= of List members. 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Grind out the excess from the middle of the bobber and put about an 1/8"-1/4" hole in the clip end. Paint to match your paint job, cut a hole in the window to fit and epoxy into place. Works great but does get lots of people asking if it is some kind of special vent when the door is closed. At least the window does not hit the drain and I have had no fuel dribbles. Walt Cannon wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Walt Cannon" > > Greetings all, > > Three areas that I would like to tap into the experience of those on the > list: > > 1) I am not really happy with the "per drawing" design of my 701 doors, the > lexan windows, and the underwing fuel drains. I know that I am not the only > one that has crazing and cracks on my windows as a result of gasoline from > the drains. When the doors are up and latched and I am taxiing, they can > easily bounce up far enough to hit the drains and cause some fuel to dribble > onto the window. The drains can also dribble if the doors are left in the up > position. Has anyone come up with any ideas to deal with this? A bumper in > the back that prevents the door from hitting the drain? A different drain? > Plexiglas windows instead of lexan (better gas resistance)? What are folks > with the bubble windows doing...it seems like with the window bulged out, > the problem would be worse. How about those of you using gas struts to hold > the doors up? _-===================================================================== _-_-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- _-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) _-_-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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