Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:10 AM - Re: 801 Tail (Dave Kubassek)
2. 04:51 AM - CH801 first flight (Beckman, Rick)
3. 05:20 AM - 801 Stabilizer (Tom Faulkner)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support (Scott Laughlin)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: CH801 first flight (Benford2@aol.com)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Pre First Flight Training (Garrou, Douglas)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Pre First Flight Training (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Harmon Rocket Dogfight (off topic) (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Pre First Flight Training (Weston, Jim)
10. 07:44 AM - Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
11. 07:54 AM - Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support (Jack Russell)
12. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Pre First Flight Training (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 09:06 AM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Larry McFarland)
14. 09:19 AM - Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support (Dirk Slabbert)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 10:27 AM - Re: 912 idle speed (Leo J. Corbalis)
17. 10:43 AM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Todd Osborne)
18. 11:43 AM - Landing (EMAproducts@aol.com)
19. 01:50 PM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Larry McFarland)
20. 02:13 PM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
21. 02:48 PM - N235RJ CH-801 Nicholas, CA - factual available (Ihab Awad)
22. 03:55 PM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Don Walker)
23. 04:21 PM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
24. 05:53 PM - Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support (Mark Stauffer)
25. 06:19 PM - Re: 701 Lexan Windows / Fuel Caps / Paint Questions (Larry)
26. 06:19 PM - Re: CH701 Question (Larry)
27. 09:04 PM - Engine sputter (Jeff Paden)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
From my understanding and just some of the ripple i have heard regarding
this issue
the wider tail feathers arre not really an option but more of a MUST!!!!
aparently the smaller tail left you runing out of elavator on landing.....
dave....
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rmtnview@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Tail
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
> Gentlemen,
> I have an 801 tail kit that I ordered several years ago and because we
moved
> and have built a new house, it never got started. I'm now just about ready
> to begin. My question: is the newer, wider horizontal stab and elevator
worth
> ordering the pieces and incorporating them into my kit? Or should I just
build
> it, as is, like the older ones? Does the wider tail make that much
> difference? I'll be doing most all my flying in the mountains of NC,
mostly on and off
> a narrow and short paved strip. Thanks ahead of time.
> rog
>
>
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| Subject: | CH801 first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
I made my first flight in my CH801 yesterday.
Tom Faulkner
Way to go Tom !!!!!! I'm sure the "RUSH" was
awesome!!
Congratulations!!!
Rick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Does the wider tail make that much
difference? I'll be doing most all my flying in the mountains of NC, mostly
on and off
a narrow and short paved strip. Thanks ahead of time.
Much depends on how heavy an engine you will be installing. I flew the
factory demo with the 360 Lyc both before and after the installation of the
new stabilizer and could tell there was enough difference that we ordered
and built the new stab even though we had an old one done. It actually is
not too big a deal to change, so you may want to try what you have then
change later.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Almost all of the attachments to the side skin worked that way for me -
drill the end holes from the inside as best you can, then draw a line on the
outside of the skin, use the rivet fan for spacing and drill and cleco with
a small piece of wood holding the piece on the inside. Drill into the wood,
cleco, then move on.
You have to vacuum a lot of sawdust out of the fuselage, but it works for
me. Without the small block of wood, you run the risk of drilling into your
hand. The wood gives support also where you can't put a clamp.
Happy building,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Rudder Installed on Fuselage
--- Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@cablespeed.com>
wrote:
>How did you transfer the
> rivet line from the
> inside of the side skins to the outside. I'm going
> through major "tunnel
> vision" right now and just can't seem to see the
> "easy" or "best" way to do
> it.
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| Subject: | Re: CH801 first flight |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 11/15/2004 7:44:46 PM Mountain Standard Time,
Rmtnview@aol.com writes:
>
> Ben Haas, do you have the old style tail on yours or do you have the new
> "wider" stab? Thanks, rog
>
>
The new style tal came out after I bought my kit. It was becoming clear that
the pitch forces at slow airspeeds were preventing the STOL from really being
one. Altho the Zenith folks were great guys to deal with and I ALWAYS got my
questions answered I believe they should provide the new tail to all of us
earlier builders at a greatly reduced price. I love my plane but it has never been
lower the 6600 ASL so I cannot give much details on performance cause the air
is soooo darn thin N801BH behaves quite differently then all you sea level
guys planes do. The VG topic is interesting but placing vanes at 38 degrees to
the incoming air seems like adding an extra parachute to a plane thats already
a big one . Ha .
Ben Haas N801 BH Jackson Hole WY
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| Subject: | RE: Pre First Flight Training |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Ron DeWees writes:
----Original message----
From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Kent,
Don't know if you are referring to Phil's Flying school near Atlanta, GA or
not, but he has 2 or 3 Alarus planes in his school and Phil also used to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him down
in a field. [snip]
------------------------
Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane may
have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | RE: Pre First Flight Training |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
My engine is perfectly reliable now....But lest I loose my temper I will
choose to ignore the painful road I got to the happy state by.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou,
Douglas
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas"
--> <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Ron DeWees writes:
----Original message----
From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Kent,
Don't know if you are referring to Phil's Flying school near Atlanta, GA
or
not, but he has 2 or 3 Alarus planes in his school and Phil also used to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him
down
in a field. [snip]
------------------------
Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane
may have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | Harmon Rocket Dogfight (off topic) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You lucky, lucky.......:)
Just goes to show, having a rocket (literally) ship is only half the
equation, you need a hot pilot too!
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Tucker
Subject: Zenith-List: Harmon Rocket Dogfight (off topic)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
While flying into Oceano California yesterday, I
made way for a couple of harmon rockets to get in
front of me (not hard at a 120 knot speed difference,
I was in a Citabria). After landing, they came over
to say thanks and struck up a conversation. The next
thing I knew, I was at 3000' inverted, in a rolling
scissors! It was insane! They were old Navy fighter
jocks from the Korea and Vietnam days, and taught this
young buck how to really have some fun. That thing
has as much thrust as the Hornet did!
I know what my next project will be!!!
Big eyed and smiling,
Brandon Tucker
HDS wings and tail complete
Center wing under const.
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| Subject: | RE: Pre First Flight Training |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Same here. All Subaru's are not created equal. (i.e. the quality of
work makes a big difference in reliability).
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde,
Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
My engine is perfectly reliable now....But lest I loose my temper I will
choose to ignore the painful road I got to the happy state by.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou,
Douglas
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas"
--> <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Ron DeWees writes:
----Original message----
From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Kent,
Don't know if you are referring to Phil's Flying school near Atlanta, GA
or not, but he has 2 or 3 Alarus planes in his school and Phil also used
to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him
down in a field. [snip]
------------------------
Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane
may have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | 601XL L angle for baggage floor support |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Well...Its been a long time since I did this but I do remember drilling
all the top skins from the inside to make sure I hit the angle in the
middle. Back drilling like this is sometimes the only sure fire
way....Might have to go on a diet first for the tail.
I don't specifically remember the part your talking about but that
method should work fine.
Other similar thing is how to find the rib inside the wing before you
drill it for sure?...Answer sweep up some steel shavings from the bench
grinder/drill press. Get a little square magnet and put it on the inside
of the skin next to the rib...Sprinkle the filiings on the outside of
the skin and it will give you a beautiful straight line...I was amazed
how well that worked.
I'm almost dissappointed my new RV7 kit will be prepunched as it means
all these little tricks I came up with won't be needed...:)
Frank
Fellow 601 Builders,
Reference Builder Guide 6B16-a and 16-b Installing baggage floor support
angles to the side skins. How did you transfer the rivet line from the
inside of the side skins to the outside. I'm going through major "tunnel
vision" right now and just can't seem to see the "easy" or "best" way to
do it.
All I can come up with is to drill end holes in the angle, place the
angle and then back drill through the side skin. At that point you can
"connect the dots" on the outside of the skin and then set the rivet
pitch, also minding the placement of the Rear Channel Uprights.
There has got to be a better way. I'm still working on getting a
large/long scrap piece of aluminum, sliding it into position between the
longerons and skins, and then marking the scrap where it meets the top
of the side skins. Then slip it out and line it up on the outside of the
skin and trace a line that represents the top of the angle. This just
doesn't give me a warm and confident feeling! That's what the picture
kind of looks like in the builders guide 6B-16b.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Mark: I think the book makes it look harder than it is. I just drew a straight
line from the bulkhead to the front baggage floor support (seat back) on the
outside of the skin and drilled some pilot holes, peered through the hole to the
line drawn on the center of the L angles. Just like skin to ribs or any other
blind attachment.
Don't nail down the floor yet! Jack in Clovis CA
Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer@cablespeed.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
Fellow 601 Builders,
Reference Builder Guide 6B16-a and 16-b Installing baggage floor support
angles to the side skins. How did you transfer the rivet line from the
inside of the side skins to the outside. I'm going through major "tunnel
vision" right now and just can't seem to see the "easy" or "best" way to do
it.
All I can come up with is to drill end holes in the angle, place the angle
and then back drill through the side skin. At that point you can "connect
the dots" on the outside of the skin and then set the rivet pitch, also
minding the placement of the Rear Channel Uprights.
There has got to be a better way. I'm still working on getting a large/long
scrap piece of aluminum, sliding it into position between the longerons and
skins, and then marking the scrap where it meets the top of the side skins.
Then slip it out and line it up on the outside of the skin and trace a line
that represents the top of the angle. This just doesn't give me a warm and
confident feeling! That's what the picture kind of looks like in the
builders guide 6B-16b.
Also, for those that are working on the rear fuselage. Read 6-B-16a, page 11
top right. Quote; "For now remove the first 2 vertical L angles from the
fuselage side skin" You'll end up cutting them shorter than you expected to
make room as you place the baggage support angles from bulkhead B5 to the
Upper Seat and Baggage Floor Support 6B16-1. I had to drill out these
vertical L angles and now am hoping that the rivet holes that are already
drilled in the side skin will match up to what I have to do now. Take a look
at the plans and guide, you'll see what I mean.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
601XL Tail finished
Wings are waiting for tank installation
Working on fuselage
Odenton, MD
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| Subject: | RE: Pre First Flight Training |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Exactly,,,However the next project will have a ...wait for it...Lycoming
in it!
Can you see me banging my head on my keyboard?...Yup with a few modern
tweaks the old lumbering bulldozer engine makes the most sense.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weston, Jim
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Same here. All Subaru's are not created equal. (i.e. the quality of
work makes a big difference in reliability).
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde,
Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
My engine is perfectly reliable now....But lest I loose my temper I will
choose to ignore the painful road I got to the happy state by.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou,
Douglas
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas"
--> <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Ron DeWees writes:
----Original message----
From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Kent,
Don't know if you are referring to Phil's Flying school near Atlanta, GA
or not, but he has 2 or 3 Alarus planes in his school and Phil also used
to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him
down in a field. [snip]
------------------------
Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane
may have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
I don't believe any engine "self-destructs", especially the Subaru. The
owner
builder has more to do with staying aloft than anyone else. I personally
like
the Subaru as it is more rugged and tolerent of hard running than any of its
competitors. The engine is still the best dollar spent if the buyer is
willing to
learn how to exercise good decision making on cooling and fuel delivery.
Other engines are very specific about everything to the extent that you
might
just as well drop twice the cash, go with a type certified and hire a
mechanic.
The "weakness" in the Subaru is that it is subject to so many options that
the
rebuilder, buyer, user has to do considerably more research to know what
is in line with best performance, reliability, etc using the engine long
term.
Not being an engine guy, this is daunting, but I still prefer that to the
long
list of do's, don't's and mandatory changes in the Rotax, Lycombing or
other rigid designs. My "next engine" will be a Subaru because it's water
cooled. That's the feature I like best, it's quieter and very fuel
efficient.
Sorry to run on so long, but the engine only requires a little more effort
and there are a lot of people like me who are very pleased with the Subaru
and its performance.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS Subaru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
> From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
Phil also used to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him down
in a field. [snip]
-----------
> Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
>
> People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
> an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane may
> have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Another trick for a rivet line:
Find the 2 outside positions, put a fishing line through these, attach a zinker
to each end.
Next spray very lightly with an aerosol can, mat black, you can easily wipe this
off with thinner afterwards.
This gives you a perfectly straight line.
The rivet pitch? Mark the pitch on a piece of masking tape, using black mark pen.
Peel off and stick over the straight line, you can easily see this through the
tape.
Drill through the tape, peel off, done!!
Hope this helps.
Dirk
Kit # 5228
Piketberg, South Africa.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL L angle for baggage floor support
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Well...Its been a long time since I did this but I do remember drilling
all the top skins from the inside to make sure I hit the angle in the
middle. Back drilling like this is sometimes the only sure fire
way....Might have to go on a diet first for the tail.
I don't specifically remember the part your talking about but that
method should work fine.
Other similar thing is how to find the rib inside the wing before you
drill it for sure?...Answer sweep up some steel shavings from the bench
grinder/drill press. Get a little square magnet and put it on the inside
of the skin next to the rib...Sprinkle the filiings on the outside of
the skin and it will give you a beautiful straight line...I was amazed
how well that worked.
I'm almost dissappointed my new RV7 kit will be prepunched as it means
all these little tricks I came up with won't be needed...:)
Frank
Fellow 601 Builders,
Reference Builder Guide 6B16-a and 16-b Installing baggage floor support
angles to the side skins. How did you transfer the rivet line from the
inside of the side skins to the outside. I'm going through major "tunnel
vision" right now and just can't seem to see the "easy" or "best" way to
do it.
All I can come up with is to drill end holes in the angle, place the
angle and then back drill through the side skin. At that point you can
"connect the dots" on the outside of the skin and then set the rivet
pitch, also minding the placement of the Rear Channel Uprights.
There has got to be a better way. I'm still working on getting a
large/long scrap piece of aluminum, sliding it into position between the
longerons and skins, and then marking the scrap where it meets the top
of the side skins. Then slip it out and line it up on the outside of the
skin and trace a line that represents the top of the angle. This just
doesn't give me a warm and confident feeling! That's what the picture
kind of looks like in the builders guide 6B-16b.
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| Subject: | Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Have your valve guides ever fallen out Larry?
The torque reversal you feel through the airframe is sickening.
If anyone is reading this and they have a Stratus I would urge them to
remove their heads and ship them to Ron at Ram Performance without
delay!
My engine self destructed three times!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
I don't believe any engine "self-destructs", especially the Subaru. The
owner
builder has more to do with staying aloft than anyone else. I
personally
like
the Subaru as it is more rugged and tolerent of hard running than any of
its competitors. The engine is still the best dollar spent if the buyer
is
willing to
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| Subject: | Re: 912 idle speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>Check out knfilters.com. They have a simple formula for picking the right
air filter. Make it bigger than necessary.
Try moving the throttle arm itself toward full closed. You may have to
shorten one or both cables. If that isnt the problem remove each carb and
inspect to find why the butterfly wont close tight.
Leo Corbalis
>
> Hi List
> I'm doing my engine run up and I've hit a snag so I ask for your help. I
can't get my idle speed lower than 2200 rpms. I have the idle stops backed
of so the arms are not making contact. Right now my rpms run from 2200 to
5600 static rpms. I
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
If one were to remove their head, wouldn't they be dead and therefore
unable to ship anything? :-)
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Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Have your valve guides ever fallen out Larry?
>
> The torque reversal you feel through the airframe is sickening.
>
> If anyone is reading this and they have a Stratus I would urge them to
> remove their heads and ship them to Ron at Ram Performance without
> delay!
>
> My engine self destructed three times!
>
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> McFarland
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> --> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> I don't believe any engine "self-destructs", especially the Subaru. The
>
> owner
> builder has more to do with staying aloft than anyone else. I
> personally
> like
> the Subaru as it is more rugged and tolerent of hard running than any of
> its competitors. The engine is still the best dollar spent if the buyer
> is
> willing to
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Frank wrote the following and someone said must be a Chris Heinz feature
Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on landing?
It seems that no matter how hard I try and no matter how gently the main gear
comes down, the nose just wants to come down right away and there's no way to
let it down nicely. I'm assuming this is a feature.
****
Many Many aircraft, due to the location of the landing gear, at a forward CG
the nose wheel will "drop like a rock" unless you are well above stall speed
on landing, immediately I think of basically all the Cherokee and Comanche
series with just the pilot in them and fuel at the most adverse condition. The
"long" Cessna's also have this trait, the 206 & 207 that I've flown if I
recall correctly from 25+ years ago.
Elbie
RiteAngle ~The "Stand Alone AOA System" for Your Safety
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall, www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
No Frank, fortunately,
I read your posts and after running my engine only 20 minutes,
I too, sent my heads to Ron at Ram for new valve guides, springs and valves.
You're engine jproblems were something I was aware of and I owe you for the
early heads up. But, I still like the Soob because of what it becomes
once you reach that state of reliability. I'm just nearing that point after
problem-solving ignition, EGTs, CHTs, coolant and fuel delivery.
Ron's (Ram Performance) head rework are a bargain at the very least.
I've not had to set down outside an airport, thanks to you.
Larry McFarland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Have your valve guides ever fallen out Larry?
>
> The torque reversal you feel through the airframe is sickening.
>
> If anyone is reading this and they have a Stratus I would urge them to
> remove their heads and ship them to Ron at Ram Performance without
> delay!
>
> My engine self destructed three times!
>
> Frank
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| Subject: | Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Maybe you guys could all send me $100 towards the cost of my rebuilds
for all the hassle I saved you?...:)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
No Frank, fortunately,
I read your posts and after running my engine only 20 minutes, I too,
sent my heads to Ron at Ram for new valve guides, springs and valves.
You're engine jproblems were something I was aware of and I owe you for
the early heads up. But, I still like the Soob because of what it
becomes once you reach that state of reliability. I'm just nearing that
point after problem-solving ignition, EGTs, CHTs, coolant and fuel
delivery.
Ron's (Ram Performance) head rework are a bargain at the very least.
I've not had to set down outside an airport, thanks to you.
Larry McFarland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Have your valve guides ever fallen out Larry?
>
> The torque reversal you feel through the airframe is sickening.
>
> If anyone is reading this and they have a Stratus I would urge them to
> remove their heads and ship them to Ron at Ram Performance without
> delay!
>
> My engine self destructed three times!
>
> Frank
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| Subject: | N235RJ CH-801 Nicholas, CA - factual available |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
Hi everyone,
The NTSB accident record for the February, 2003 CH-801 accident has
been updated with some factual information and is available online.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20030312X00321&ntsbno=LAX03FA102&akey=1
Apologies if this is redundant information, but I don't remember
seeing any mention of this update on zenith-list. I generally check
the NTSB database every couple of months to find out the latest about
this accident.
My sincere condolences to the families for their loss. Peace,
Ihab Awad
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:51:06 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I'll have to second that, Larry. I had difficulties with the Stratus, not because
it was a Subaru, but because of the rebuild that Stratus did. I used Stratus
systems on another Subaru We rebuilt here and have had no problems. Don Walker
HDS TD 345 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry McFarland<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
I don't believe any engine "self-destructs", especially the Subaru. The
owner
builder has more to do with staying aloft than anyone else. I personally
like
the Subaru as it is more rugged and tolerent of hard running than any of its
competitors. The engine is still the best dollar spent if the buyer is
willing to
learn how to exercise good decision making on cooling and fuel delivery.
Other engines are very specific about everything to the extent that you
might
just as well drop twice the cash, go with a type certified and hire a
mechanic.
The "weakness" in the Subaru is that it is subject to so many options that
the
rebuilder, buyer, user has to do considerably more research to know what
is in line with best performance, reliability, etc using the engine long
term.
Not being an engine guy, this is daunting, but I still prefer that to the
long
list of do's, don't's and mandatory changes in the Rotax, Lycombing or
other rigid designs. My "next engine" will be a Subaru because it's water
cooled. That's the feature I like best, it's quieter and very fuel
efficient.
Sorry to run on so long, but the engine only requires a little more effort
and there are a lot of people like me who are very pleased with the Subaru
and its performance.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS Subaru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com<mailto:dgarrou@hunton.com>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
> From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com<mailto:rdewees@mindspring.com>>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
Phil also used to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him down
in a field. [snip]
-----------
> Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
>
> People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
> an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane may
> have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes I often thought it was pity that the redrive is actually pretty
good. The trouble is the Stratus name gets hooked on the whole package
being an "engineered solution". Unfortunatly the botch job that
Stratus's engine builder did soured the whole deal. Well this and
Mykal's misplaced (my opinion) trust in them.
But all is well now...:)
Frank
HDS (Sport pilot compatible..:)..) 347 hours...For sale in a few months!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Walker
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I'll have to second that, Larry. I had difficulties with the Stratus,
not because it was a Subaru, but because of the rebuild that Stratus
did. I used Stratus systems on another Subaru We rebuilt here and have
had no problems. Don Walker HDS TD 345 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry McFarland<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
I don't believe any engine "self-destructs", especially the Subaru.
The
owner
builder has more to do with staying aloft than anyone else. I
personally
like
the Subaru as it is more rugged and tolerent of hard running than any
of its
competitors. The engine is still the best dollar spent if the buyer
is
willing to
learn how to exercise good decision making on cooling and fuel
delivery.
Other engines are very specific about everything to the extent that
you
might
just as well drop twice the cash, go with a type certified and hire a
mechanic.
The "weakness" in the Subaru is that it is subject to so many options
that
the
rebuilder, buyer, user has to do considerably more research to know
what
is in line with best performance, reliability, etc using the engine
long
term.
Not being an engine guy, this is daunting, but I still prefer that to
the
long
list of do's, don't's and mandatory changes in the Rotax, Lycombing or
other rigid designs. My "next engine" will be a Subaru because it's
water
cooled. That's the feature I like best, it's quieter and very fuel
efficient.
Sorry to run on so long, but the engine only requires a little more
effort
and there are a lot of people like me who are very pleased with the
Subaru
and its performance.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS Subaru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas"
<dgarrou@hunton.com<mailto:dgarrou@hunton.com>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
> From: "Ron DeWees"
<rdewees@mindspring.com<mailto:rdewees@mindspring.com>>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
Phil also used to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him
down
in a field. [snip]
-----------
> Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
>
> People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually
designed as
> an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended
airplane may
> have been a kamikaze.
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| Subject: | 601XL L angle for baggage floor support |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@cablespeed.com>
Thanks to everyone that answered. After sleeping on it and realizing that it
WASN'T as difficult as it seemed I drilled the right side tonight. No
problem. The left side should even be easier.
Again thanks to all!
Mark
Mark Stauffer
601XL Tail finished
Wings are waiting for tank installation
Working on fuselage
Odenton, MD
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Lexan Windows / Fuel Caps / Paint Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
Zenith bubble doors are not lexan, they are Plexiglas. You can use gas
shocks for openers to stop the travel before it gets to the wings.
Skyshops has some good pictures. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Cannon" <grnlake@earthlink.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Lexan Windows / Fuel Caps / Paint Questions
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Walt Cannon" <grnlake@earthlink.net>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Three areas that I would like to tap into the experience of those on the
> list:
>
> 1) I am not really happy with the "per drawing" design of my 701 doors,
the
> lexan windows, and the underwing fuel drains. I know that I am not the
only
> one that has crazing and cracks on my windows as a result of gasoline from
> the drains. When the doors are up and latched and I am taxiing, they can
> easily bounce up far enough to hit the drains and cause some fuel to
dribble
> onto the window. The drains can also dribble if the doors are left in the
up
> position. Has anyone come up with any ideas to deal with this? A bumper in
> the back that prevents the door from hitting the drain? A different drain?
> Plexiglas windows instead of lexan (better gas resistance)? What are folks
> with the bubble windows doing...it seems like with the window bulged out,
> the problem would be worse. How about those of you using gas struts to
hold
> the doors up?
>
> 2) Do other 701 drivers find that the Zenith provided gas caps seem to
> siphon or leak some fuel during flight? I know they are vented on purpose
> and I am seeing some evidence of leakage on my upper wing skins. Has
anyone
> created more traditional sealed caps with a forward facing vent pressure
> tube installed?
>
> 3) I am contemplating have a auto body shop spray my 701 this winter. Most
> of them are not experienced with alodining so I thought about going with a
> self etching primer and compatible paint system like I did on an RV-6 I
> built a few years ago. Any good recent experiences with this kind of
> primer/paint approach?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Walt Cannon
> 701 912S - 60 hrs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
PegaStols are +6g-4g, don't know where you got the +9. I have talked to a
lot of builders who have them and it appears that their claims are well
founded.
You really can't expect Chris or any Zenith employee to say any thing
positive about PegaStol, can you?
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
> Has anyone built a Pegastol wing and tried it on a CH701? Chris Heintz
> says he doubts the design is really good for +9g, and points out that
> the rest of the airplane remains a +6g design..
> The automatic slat feature means that the fixed slat position compromise
> between best lift and minimum drag is eliminated. Dedalius claims 21 mph
> stall speed and 125 mph Vne. Comments?
> Howard Carter
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Once again I need any input I can get from all of you.
My test flights have been going very well, however I have developed another
problem that I can not seem to figure out on my own.
Yesterday while flying from my field to a field 20 miles away to get fuel I
was at 6000 feet and my engine started to sputter about every 20 seconds.
My destination was the nearest airfield so I completed the flight and landed
I filled the aircraft with fuel and started her back up again. The
sputter had gone away so I ran the engine on the ground at about 2300 rpms
for 10 minutes. Everything seemed fine so I decided to fly her back to my
airfield. Once again about 10 miles in to the flight the engine started to
sputter about every 20 seconds. This time I was determined to figure out
what was going on so I first turned off ignition 1 and the engine continued
to sputter about every 20 seconds. I turned that one on and turned off
ignition 2... same results. Ok, it's not the ignition... so I checked fuel
pressure... it was in the green but I turned on the boost pump just for a
test, this did not help. EGT and CHT were all in the green for all six
cylinders. I thought maybe I had the engine too lean so I enriched the
mixture, again this did not help either. I then landed and pulled all the
plugs, they were fine, I then pulled all the fuel injectors... again, they
were fine too. I tested the fuel system for leaks to make sure I was not
sucking air some place... NOTHING! The engine sputters about every 20
seconds at any RPM from idle to full throttle. I AM LOST and have no idea
of what to check next.
So to recap:
Ignitions test out fine
Fuel system checks out fine
Engine sputters every 20 to 30 seconds at all RPMs.
Any one have any idea of what to check next?
I will be on the ground until I figure this one out. ERRRG!
Thank you all for your help once again.
Jeff Paden
CH-640 flying sort of
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