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1. 01:37 AM - Re: CH701 Question (Howard Carter)
2. 02:35 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
3. 04:35 AM - Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Charles Heathco)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: Pre First Flight Training (Benford2@aol.com)
5. 05:51 AM - Re: Engine sputter (Al Young)
6. 05:53 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Larry McFarland)
7. 06:04 AM - Re: Engine sputter (Dick Wilbers)
8. 06:17 AM - Re: Engine sputter (John Fulp)
9. 06:37 AM - Re: CH701 Question (Larry)
10. 06:48 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Charles Heathco)
11. 06:50 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Weston, Jim)
12. 06:54 AM - Re: Rebuttle to "self-destructs" (Weston, Jim)
13. 07:22 AM - Re: CH701 Question (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
14. 09:46 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Randy Stout)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
16. 10:34 AM - Re: Engine sputter (Kent Brown)
17. 10:57 AM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Kent Brown)
18. 03:52 PM - Falling Subaru's (Cdngoose)
19. 05:13 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Charles Heathco)
20. 05:36 PM - Re: CH701 Question (ray.stlaurent@vsea.com)
21. 05:38 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Charles Heathco)
22. 05:49 PM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Gerald A. Applefeld)
23. 05:50 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Randy Stout)
24. 06:09 PM - Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting (Charles Heathco)
25. 07:35 PM - Re: Alternator Hum 0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML title contains no text (Pete Krotje)
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Larry,
I was referring to the Ultimate loading of 9g.. 6 x 1.5 = 9.
I was not expecting any one at Zenair to be positive, only to warn me if
there is something critical I need to look out for. Where are the "lot
of builders who have them"? So far, you are only the second builder to
say something about the Pegastols.
Howard Carter
CH701 20%
Larry wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
>
>PegaStols are +6g-4g, don't know where you got the +9. I have talked to a
>lot of builders who have them and it appears that their claims are well
>founded.
>You really can't expect Chris or any Zenith employee to say any thing
>positive about PegaStol, can you?
>
>Larry N1345L
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Question
>
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>>
>>Has anyone built a Pegastol wing and tried it on a CH701? Chris Heintz
>>says he doubts the design is really good for +9g, and points out that
>>the rest of the airplane remains a +6g design..
>>The automatic slat feature means that the fixed slat position compromise
>>between best lift and minimum drag is eliminated. Dedalius claims 21 mph
>>stall speed and 125 mph Vne. Comments?
>>Howard Carter
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete kit
(taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on top of
the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled 6x8,
about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts running
thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
suggestions? Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Pre First Flight Training |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 11/16/2004 8:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time,
dgarrou@hunton.com writes:
>
> Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
>
> People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed as
> an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane may
> have been a kamikaze.
>
>
Now that was a cheap shot........
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| Subject: | Re: Engine sputter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Jeff- Carb icing? Just a thought. Al Young XL 'Bout there.
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Charles,
I'd recommend you obtain the plans that went with the aircraft to
determine what the intent of the designer was for the item you describe.
If not available, go to Zenith Aircraft and request a new set of drawings
so that you can check the rest of the aircraft to what was supposed to be
done. If you've got one problem, it's likely you'll find more of them and
you don't want to fly anything that puts you at risk.
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
> kit
> (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on top
> of
> the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled 6x8,
> about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts
> running
> thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
> creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
> suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine sputter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dick Wilbers" <rwilbers@tampabay.rr.com>
What is your engine?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Engine sputter
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> Once again I need any input I can get from all of you.
> My test flights have been going very well, however I have developed
> another
> problem that I can not seem to figure out on my own.
> Yesterday while flying from my field to a field 20 miles away to get fuel
> I
> was at 6000 feet and my engine started to sputter about every 20 seconds.
> My destination was the nearest airfield so I completed the flight and
> landed
> I filled the aircraft with fuel and started her back up again. The
> sputter had gone away so I ran the engine on the ground at about 2300 rpms
> for 10 minutes. Everything seemed fine so I decided to fly her back to my
> airfield. Once again about 10 miles in to the flight the engine started
> to
> sputter about every 20 seconds. This time I was determined to figure out
> what was going on so I first turned off ignition 1 and the engine
> continued
> to sputter about every 20 seconds. I turned that one on and turned off
> ignition 2... same results. Ok, it's not the ignition... so I checked
> fuel
> pressure... it was in the green but I turned on the boost pump just for a
> test, this did not help. EGT and CHT were all in the green for all six
> cylinders. I thought maybe I had the engine too lean so I enriched the
> mixture, again this did not help either. I then landed and pulled all the
> plugs, they were fine, I then pulled all the fuel injectors... again, they
> were fine too. I tested the fuel system for leaks to make sure I was not
> sucking air some place... NOTHING! The engine sputters about every 20
> seconds at any RPM from idle to full throttle. I AM LOST and have no idea
> of what to check next.
>
> So to recap:
>
> Ignitions test out fine
> Fuel system checks out fine
> Engine sputters every 20 to 30 seconds at all RPMs.
>
> Any one have any idea of what to check next?
>
> I will be on the ground until I figure this one out. ERRRG!
>
> Thank you all for your help once again.
>
> Jeff Paden
> CH-640 flying sort of
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine sputter |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Fulp" <jrfulp@ncia.net>
Jeff,
Are you using a flow divider (fuel spider) between the metering servo and
the injector nozzles?
The divider will evenly distribute fuel flow to the injectors but also has a
small diaphragm and variable
spring valve that restricts fuel flow at low rpm then opens for high rpm.
John
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
Once again I need any input I can get from all of you.
My test flights have been going very well, however I have developed another
problem that I can not seem to figure out on my own.
Yesterday while flying from my field to a field 20 miles away to get fuel I
was at 6000 feet and my engine started to sputter about every 20 seconds.
My destination was the nearest airfield so I completed the flight and landed
I filled the aircraft with fuel and started her back up again. The
sputter had gone away so I ran the engine on the ground at about 2300 rpms
for 10 minutes. Everything seemed fine so I decided to fly her back to my
airfield. Once again about 10 miles in to the flight the engine started to
sputter about every 20 seconds. This time I was determined to figure out
what was going on so I first turned off ignition 1 and the engine continued
to sputter about every 20 seconds. I turned that one on and turned off
ignition 2... same results. Ok, it's not the ignition... so I checked fuel
pressure... it was in the green but I turned on the boost pump just for a
test, this did not help. EGT and CHT were all in the green for all six
cylinders. I thought maybe I had the engine too lean so I enriched the
mixture, again this did not help either. I then landed and pulled all the
plugs, they were fine, I then pulled all the fuel injectors... again, they
were fine too. I tested the fuel system for leaks to make sure I was not
sucking air some place... NOTHING! The engine sputters about every 20
seconds at any RPM from idle to full throttle. I AM LOST and have no idea
of what to check next.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
There is a list of them on the PegaStol site. You could e-mail them, that's
what I did, some will answer, some won't . I did not have any negative
comments excepts when it can to communications. My serial number is 32, so
I assume there are at least 31 others. I mentioned them to Zenith several
times and just got the brush off. Of course I didn't expect any raving
reviews, and would be very suspicious of any warnings too. It's all about
the money and sales, and I would do the same in their shoes. Anyone who
remotely understands aerodynamics can see the advantages of the PegaStol
wings over the Zenith wings. I haven't finished my wings yet, but I can
assure you that the quality of the kit is great, instructions are lacking,
communications is almost non existence. But, I am managing to figure it out
anyway. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
> Larry,
> I was referring to the Ultimate loading of 9g.. 6 x 1.5 = 9.
> I was not expecting any one at Zenair to be positive, only to warn me if
> there is something critical I need to look out for. Where are the "lot
> of builders who have them"? So far, you are only the second builder to
> say something about the Pegastols.
> Howard Carter
> CH701 20%
>
> Larry wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
> >
> >PegaStols are +6g-4g, don't know where you got the +9. I have talked to
a
> >lot of builders who have them and it appears that their claims are well
> >founded.
> >You really can't expect Chris or any Zenith employee to say any thing
> >positive about PegaStol, can you?
> >
> >Larry N1345L
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
> >>
> >>Has anyone built a Pegastol wing and tried it on a CH701? Chris Heintz
> >>says he doubts the design is really good for +9g, and points out that
> >>the rest of the airplane remains a +6g design..
> >>The automatic slat feature means that the fixed slat position compromise
> >>between best lift and minimum drag is eliminated. Dedalius claims 21 mph
> >>stall speed and 125 mph Vne. Comments?
> >>Howard Carter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Ok, will do
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> Charles,
> I'd recommend you obtain the plans that went with the aircraft to
> determine what the intent of the designer was for the item you describe.
> If not available, go to Zenith Aircraft and request a new set of drawings
> so that you can check the rest of the aircraft to what was supposed to be
> done. If you've got one problem, it's likely you'll find more of them and
> you don't want to fly anything that puts you at risk.
>
> Larry McFarland
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
>> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>>
>> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
>> kit
>> (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on top
>> of
>> the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled 6x8,
>> about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts
>> running
>> thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
>> creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
>> suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Charles,
Are you talking about landing gear struts? If you're talking about wing
struts, you have a 701 rather than a 601.
Jim Weston
Concord, Ga.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Heathco
Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
--> <cheathco@comcast.net>
I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
kit (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on
top of the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a
doubled 6x8, about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with
2 bolts running thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right,
certainly will creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not
around). Any suggestions? Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Rebuttle to "self-destructs" |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
I agree. All of my initial problems traced back to the original engine
rebuild shop that Stratus used to use. I believe that Mykal uses a
different shop, since he lives in a completely different area. Don't
know how well they do.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde,
Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes I often thought it was pity that the redrive is actually pretty
good. The trouble is the Stratus name gets hooked on the whole package
being an "engineered solution". Unfortunatly the botch job that
Stratus's engine builder did soured the whole deal. Well this and
Mykal's misplaced (my opinion) trust in them.
But all is well now...:)
Frank
HDS (Sport pilot compatible..:)..) 347 hours...For sale in a few months!
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Walker
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
I'll have to second that, Larry. I had difficulties with the Stratus,
not because it was a Subaru, but because of the rebuild that Stratus
did. I used Stratus systems on another Subaru We rebuilt here and have
had no problems. Don Walker HDS TD 345 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry McFarland<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rebuttle to "self-destructs"
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
<larrymc@qconline.com<mailto:larrymc@qconline.com>>
I don't believe any engine "self-destructs", especially the Subaru.
The
owner
builder has more to do with staying aloft than anyone else. I
personally
like
the Subaru as it is more rugged and tolerent of hard running than any
of its
competitors. The engine is still the best dollar spent if the buyer
is
willing to
learn how to exercise good decision making on cooling and fuel
delivery.
Other engines are very specific about everything to the extent that
you
might
just as well drop twice the cash, go with a type certified and hire a
mechanic.
The "weakness" in the Subaru is that it is subject to so many options
that
the
rebuilder, buyer, user has to do considerably more research to know
what
is in line with best performance, reliability, etc using the engine
long
term.
Not being an engine guy, this is daunting, but I still prefer that to
the
long
list of do's, don't's and mandatory changes in the Rotax, Lycombing or
other rigid designs. My "next engine" will be a Subaru because it's
water
cooled. That's the feature I like best, it's quieter and very fuel
efficient.
Sorry to run on so long, but the engine only requires a little more
effort
and there are a lot of people like me who are very pleased with the
Subaru
and its performance.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS Subaru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrou, Douglas"
<dgarrou@hunton.com<mailto:dgarrou@hunton.com>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
> From: "Ron DeWees"
<rdewees@mindspring.com<mailto:rdewees@mindspring.com>>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
Phil also used to
have a 601 HDS before the Subbie self-destructed in flight and set him
down
in a field. [snip]
-----------
> Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
>
> People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually
designed as
> an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended
airplane may
> have been a kamikaze.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Not just money and sales....Its also liability.
RV's have the same problem with Harmon Rockets...Everyone knows a Rocket
is a very well put together plane but you can't expect Vans's to endorse
putting a 540 in the nose of an RV4...which with some "beefing up" is
what the rocket is.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Question
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
There is a list of them on the PegaStol site. You could e-mail them,
that's what I did, some will answer, some won't . I did not have any
negative comments excepts when it can to communications. My serial
number is 32, so I assume there are at least 31 others. I mentioned
them to Zenith several times and just got the brush off. Of course I
didn't expect any raving reviews, and would be very suspicious of any
warnings too. It's all about the money and sales, and I would do the
same in their shoes. Anyone who remotely understands aerodynamics can
see the advantages of the PegaStol
wings over the Zenith wings. I haven't finished my wings yet, but I
can
assure you that the quality of the kit is great, instructions are
lacking, communications is almost non existence. But, I am managing to
figure it out anyway. Larry N1345L
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
It sounds like your talking about the upper main landing gear bearing and
stop plate. The 1/4" piece is the upper bearing. The smaller 3"x3" piece
keeps the gear leg from falling through the wing when you take off. The
gear leg goes completely through the wing. Most of us cut the small 3x3
piece into a circle, but I'm sure it would still do it's job if it was
square. The bolts holding it on should be safety wired, because it would
really bite to be flying along and see an empty hole where that plate used
to be.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Charles Heathco <cheathco@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/17/04 6:34:24 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
<cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
kit
> (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on top
of
> the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled 6x8,
> about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts
running
> thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
> creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
> suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
That would really P**S me off!...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stout
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
It sounds like your talking about the upper main landing gear bearing
and stop plate. The 1/4" piece is the upper bearing. The smaller 3"x3"
piece keeps the gear leg from falling through the wing when you take
off. The gear leg goes completely through the wing. Most of us cut the
small 3x3 piece into a circle, but I'm sure it would still do it's job
if it was square. The bolts holding it on should be safety wired,
because it would really bite to be flying along and see an empty hole
where that plate used to be.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Charles Heathco <cheathco@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/17/04 6:34:24 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
<cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly
> complete
kit
> (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on
> top
of
> the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled
> 6x8,
> about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts
running
> thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
> creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
> suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Carb Ice?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Paden
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:03 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Engine sputter
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
>
> Once again I need any input I can get from all of you.
> My test flights have been going very well, however I have developed
> another
> problem that I can not seem to figure out on my own.
> Yesterday while flying from my field to a field 20 miles away to get fuel
> I
> was at 6000 feet and my engine started to sputter about every 20 seconds.
> My destination was the nearest airfield so I completed the flight and
> landed
> I filled the aircraft with fuel and started her back up again. The
> sputter had gone away so I ran the engine on the ground at about 2300 rpms
> for 10 minutes. Everything seemed fine so I decided to fly her back to my
> airfield. Once again about 10 miles in to the flight the engine started
> to
> sputter about every 20 seconds. This time I was determined to figure out
> what was going on so I first turned off ignition 1 and the engine
> continued
> to sputter about every 20 seconds. I turned that one on and turned off
> ignition 2... same results. Ok, it's not the ignition... so I checked
> fuel
> pressure... it was in the green but I turned on the boost pump just for a
> test, this did not help. EGT and CHT were all in the green for all six
> cylinders. I thought maybe I had the engine too lean so I enriched the
> mixture, again this did not help either. I then landed and pulled all the
> plugs, they were fine, I then pulled all the fuel injectors... again, they
> were fine too. I tested the fuel system for leaks to make sure I was not
> sucking air some place... NOTHING! The engine sputters about every 20
> seconds at any RPM from idle to full throttle. I AM LOST and have no idea
> of what to check next.
>
> So to recap:
>
> Ignitions test out fine
> Fuel system checks out fine
> Engine sputters every 20 to 30 seconds at all RPMs.
>
> Any one have any idea of what to check next?
>
> I will be on the ground until I figure this one out. ERRRG!
>
> Thank you all for your help once again.
>
> Jeff Paden
> CH-640 flying sort of
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Sounds to me like you are describing the normal 601 main gear where the gear
strut goes up through the wing. The underside of the gear is much more
draggy than the parts on top. Suggest you get some plans which will answer
many of the questions you are bound to have as you get into the details of
your new project.
Welcome to the group.
Kent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Heathco
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:34 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
> kit
> (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on top
> of
> the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled 6x8,
> about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts
> running
> thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
> creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
> suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Falling Subaru's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
We keep hearing about Subaru's falling from space , but in my area the
reality is more Rotax's end up grounded then the Subs in all the 601's I
know. As for cheap shot I have to agree Subaru - $300 with all
accessories, Re-drive $1500 Helical gear system, Engine re-build $1000,
for a Total of $2800 ready to fly. Rotax 912S not as much weight but
still 40hp short of my engine and costs $18,000 all funds in CDN
dollars.( yes I spent more time in getting my Sub there over a rotax
install, but I'm a scratch builder so what's time got to do with it?)
Yes you're right I am a cheap shot getting a Zodiac 601XL in the air for
under $15,000 cdn. But like you I love to fly and have chosen an avenue
that allows me to do achieve that goal and still be able to have a roof
over my head and food in my children's stomach. Now if you really think
that I should have a Rotax 912S in my bird I would gladly send you my
address so that you can send me one, hell I'm even willing to pay the
freight for a free engine. But given a choice I would rather you send a
Jabaru 3300. IF feel you need to somewhat insult many of us who have
chosen the Subaru route - have a conscience and re-consider. As for the
rest of us with a Subaru installation we realize that when done
correctly it truly is a better alternative!!!
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Benford2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Pre First Flight Training
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 11/16/2004 8:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time,
dgarrou@hunton.com writes:
>
> Hmmm.... In-flight failure of a Subaru in a 601. What a shocker.
>
> People like to point out that the Subaru engine was actually designed
as
> an airplane engine. That may be -- but I think the intended airplane
may
> have been a kamikaze.
>
>
Now that was a cheap shot........
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Main gear struts, these have plates on top of the wing skins with couple
bolts running thru, havent had time to look at plans yet, but dont think
that is the way its done. charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Weston, Jim" <Jim.Weston@delta.com>
>
> Charles,
>
> Are you talking about landing gear struts? If you're talking about wing
> struts, you have a 701 rather than a 601.
>
> Jim Weston
> Concord, Ga.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Heathco
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
> --> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
> kit (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on
> top of the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a
> doubled 6x8, about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with
> 2 bolts running thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right,
> certainly will creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not
> around). Any suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
I too am happily building a Pegastol wing. I put on my mechanical
engineers hard hat before looking at the stress analysis calculations on
their website. Their calculations are based on a +6G design loading (+9G
ultimate) as claimed. The analysis was done for a weight of 1058 lb. I
discounted their claim of the same +6G rating at a higher 1200 lb gross
weight. The website also shows the derated loading factor for weights
beyond 1200 lb. Interestingly these ratings are correctly based on the
1058 baseline weight not 1200. The bottom line is that you should be able
to surpass the 4.5G rating even at a gross weight of 1200 lb. This of
course assumes the rest of the aircraft will not be overstressed at 1200
lb.
However in the material I received from them I did find some deviations
from the design as specified. I am in conversation with the manufacturers
on this and there remains only one issue. I will report all my findings
here when I have received a final answer. For now I would say to any
existing builders to check part A102 (strut attachment). Mine came with
instructions and parts using 4 AN3 bolts. I will be changing to AN4
bolts,.as specified in the stress analysis document, to preserve the
design load capability.
- Ray St-Laurent
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) RE: CH701 Question
Subject: Re: CH701 Question
From: Larry (lrm@isp.com)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
There is a list of them on the PegaStol site. You could e-mail them,
that's
what I did, some will answer, some won't . I did not have any negative
comments excepts when it can to communications. My serial number is 32,
so
I assume there are at least 31 others. I mentioned them to Zenith several
times and just got the brush off. Of course I didn't expect any raving
reviews, and would be very suspicious of any warnings too. It's all about
the money and sales, and I would do the same in their shoes. Anyone who
remotely understands aerodynamics can see the advantages of the PegaStol
wings over the Zenith wings. I haven't finished my wings yet, but I can
assure you that the quality of the kit is great, instructions are lacking,
communications is almost non existence. But, I am managing to figure it
out
anyway. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: Re: CH701 Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
> Larry,
> I was referring to the Ultimate loading of 9g.. 6 x 1.5 = 9.
> I was not expecting any one at Zenair to be positive, only to warn me if
> there is something critical I need to look out for. Where are the "lot
> of builders who have them"? So far, you are only the second builder to
> say something about the Pegastols.
> Howard Carter
> CH701 20%
>
> Larry wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm@isp.com>
> >
> >PegaStols are +6g-4g, don't know where you got the +9. I have talked
to
a
> >lot of builders who have them and it appears that their claims are well
> >founded.
> >You really can't expect Chris or any Zenith employee to say any thing
> >positive about PegaStol, can you?
> >
> >Larry N1345L
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
> >To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: CH701 Question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
> >>
> >>Has anyone built a Pegastol wing and tried it on a CH701? Chris
Heintz
> >>says he doubts the design is really good for +9g, and points out that
> >>the rest of the airplane remains a +6g design..
> >>The automatic slat feature means that the fixed slat position
compromise
> >>between best lift and minimum drag is eliminated. Dedalius claims 21
mph
> >>stall speed and 125 mph Vne. Comments?
> >>Howard Carter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >__________ NOD32 1.924 (20041117) Information __________
> >
> >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> >http://www.nod32.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Ok, so its supposed to be on top of the wing skin? charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
> It sounds like your talking about the upper main landing gear bearing and
> stop plate. The 1/4" piece is the upper bearing. The smaller 3"x3" piece
> keeps the gear leg from falling through the wing when you take off. The
> gear leg goes completely through the wing. Most of us cut the small 3x3
> piece into a circle, but I'm sure it would still do it's job if it was
> square. The bolts holding it on should be safety wired, because it would
> really bite to be flying along and see an empty hole where that plate used
> to be.
>
> Randy Stout
> n282rs"at"earthlink.net
> www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Charles Heathco <cheathco@comcast.net>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 11/17/04 6:34:24 AM
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>>
>> I just found my way into this group. I recently bought a nearly complete
> kit
>> (taken apart for trailering) I see that the strut s are supported on top
> of
>> the wing with 2 plates and 2 bolts. Plate next to wing is a doubled 6x8,
>> about 1/4" thick, and a 3x3" 3/32 plate on top of that with 2 bolts
> running
>> thru. I am new to building, but this dosent look right, certainly will
>> creatle lots of drag I would think. (orig builder not around). Any
>> suggestions? Charlie Heathco
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Falling Subaru's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld" <jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
I generally just sit back and read what others have to say since my two
cents aren't generally worth the paper it's not printed on. I have 601HD.
I started with a SOOB EA81 for all the usual reasons - cheaper, can buy
parts locally, good power, etc. I didn't start with the Stratus so my
comments can't include that. My redrive, intake and carb were from Joe
Souza in California who uses EA-81s on gyros and was recommended by Don
Brouchard, that father of SOOBs in planes. On my very first flight (after
high speed taxi and crow hops with no problems) I burned up the engine due
to extreme overheating. It kept running to get me safely down but was
beyond repair. I rebuild the first from Don's videos. The second was
rebuild by Joe Souza, retaining the accessories from the original. After
correcting some cowl and cooling issues I flew 5 hours but with less than
stellar performance. We thought it was the prop pitch (using WARP 3-blade,
ground adjustable). After tweeking the pitch several times, I was making
another flight when I lost RPM at 500 feet. I was able to get it down again
but found that two pistons were burned through - a mechanic said it was an
over lean condition-obviously an induction problem yet I had no mixture
control on the carb and the other head was fine. I now have a Jab 3300 and
have a good flying safe airplane. I wish I had never spent the time and
money trying to make the SOOB work when there are proven, reliable engines.
I know others are having better luck and stand behind their installations
and I wish then all the best but my life means more to me, and I can only
stretch the word EXPERIMENTAL so far.
Jerry
Cdngoose wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> We keep hearing about Subaru's falling from space , but in my area the
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Yes. If I get a chance to go to the airport, I'll send you a picture tomorrow.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Ok, so its supposed to be on top of the wing skin? charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Thanks, but have rec pix already. Just not used to seeing plates on top of
wings, Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601 UDS Main strut mounting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net>
>
> Yes. If I get a chance to go to the airport, I'll send you a picture
> tomorrow.
>
> Randy Stout
> n282rs"at"earthlink.net
> www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> Ok, so its supposed to be on top of the wing skin? charlie
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pkrotje@athenet.net>
Several suggestions:
Keep the red 12v output and the yellow sensing wire ahead of the firewall
and run separately to the battery (red thru a fuse if you want).
Make sure ground wire from regulator is large enough (we like #12 wire
there)
Make sure the carby is grounded to the engine as the throttle cables can be
a good RF antenna and often run near the radio.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sagerser
Subject: Zenith-List: Alternator Hum 0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: HTML title
contains no text
--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net>
I am experiencing a "hum" in the headset of my Zenith CH 701 with a
Jabiru 2200 after I turn on the alternator. I assume there is a fix but
where and how? Thanks in advance for your response.
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