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1. 12:39 AM - Re: Tinting canopy? (wizard-24@juno.com)
2. 01:21 AM - Re: Tinting canopy? (Dirk Slabbert)
3. 03:59 AM - Re: Tinting canopy? (Jeffrey Glasserow)
4. 05:03 AM - Tinting canopy? ()
5. 05:23 AM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Charles Heathco)
6. 05:34 AM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Charles Heathco)
7. 05:48 AM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Ramperf@aol.com)
8. 05:58 AM - Re: Tinting canopy? (Chris Boultinghouse)
9. 06:59 AM - Was: corvair college Now: Suitability of the Corvair (Phil Maxson)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Tinting canopy? (Larry Martin)
11. 07:21 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/18/04 (Grant Corriveau)
12. 08:56 AM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: CH701 Question (Ihab Awad)
14. 10:53 AM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Larry McFarland)
15. 12:54 PM - Re: Alternator Hum 0.12 HTML_TITLE_EMPTY BODY: (James Sagerser)
16. 01:05 PM - Canopy Tinting (Howard Carter)
17. 01:10 PM - Re: Was 701 Question - G-loading... (Bima, Martin)
18. 01:30 PM - Re: Tinting Canopy (Brandon Tucker)
19. 02:01 PM - Re: Tinting canopy? (Bryan Martin)
20. 02:12 PM - Pegastol wing for Zenith CH701 (Howard Carter)
21. 02:35 PM - Tinting Canopy Suggestions (Jake Reyna)
22. 04:30 PM - Re: Tinting canopy? (John Fulp)
23. 04:38 PM - Re: Falling Subaru's (Don Walker)
24. 05:41 PM - Vapor lock (Jeff Paden)
25. 06:05 PM - Re: Was: corvair college Now: Suitability of the Corvair (Charles Heathco)
26. 06:23 PM - altrenative engines, Subaru, Corvair (Brett Hanley)
27. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Was 701 Question - G-loading... (Larry Martin)
28. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: CH701 Question (Larry Martin)
29. 08:07 PM - Re: 801 Stabilizer (Rich)
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| Subject: | Re: Tinting canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection
> (i.e. bald). I would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but
> the local trim shop says the film will not stick to the lexan. Has
> anyone tried tinting their canopies?
I'm follically challenged too....but I always fly with a hat, which
solves that problem. Assuming you're against hats, why not simply paint a
potion of the inside of the canopy?
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Tinting canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Mike, a potion on the inside of the canopy still wont make it grow hair?
But if it works I'd like some of that potion too!
Dirk
701 ( #5228)
----- Original Message -----
From: wizard-24@juno.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tinting canopy?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection
> (i.e. bald). I would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but
> the local trim shop says the film will not stick to the lexan. Has
> anyone tried tinting their canopies?
I'm follically challenged too....but I always fly with a hat, which
solves that problem. Assuming you're against hats, why not simply paint a
potion of the inside of the canopy?
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" <jeffglass@starband.net>
Re: canopy tinting
Many of us who fly RC models tint our canopies using RIT fabric dye. I'm
not sure this would work with lexan but it's worth a query to Dupont. Or, if
you have any trimmings left you could do your own test using metal or glass
containers. You'd need a big dipping tank to do it, but a cheap inflatable
or extruded plastic swimming pool would work fine (you'll need 2, one for
dye, one for rinse). You could tint a portion of the canopy just by setting
the level of the dye solution in the dipping tank. But... I sure like the
idea of a hat! Elegant and CHEAP!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
wizard-24@juno.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Tinting canopy?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection
> (i.e. bald). I would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but
> the local trim shop says the film will not stick to the lexan. Has
> anyone tried tinting their canopies?
I'm follically challenged too....but I always fly with a hat, which
solves that problem. Assuming you're against hats, why not simply paint a
potion of the inside of the canopy?
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <darbylake@bellsouth.net>
Thanks for the help folks but would still like to tint, don't like hats and hair
probably won't grow back.
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| Subject: | Re: Falling Subaru's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Don, my project comes with a sub engine, E-81 Stratus. What do I need to
know about this inst that you and others ffound out the hard way? Charlie.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
>
> Jerry,
> I got a kick out of your comments and couldn't help but chuckle. I know
> the frustration. The big problem is not knowing about engines and still
> wanting to get things together and get flying...cheap.
> Like you, I would probably spring for the Jab 33 if I had it to do again.
> But in the process I have learned a lot about engines and about Subaru's.
> If we are not engine men then who do you trust? Don Brouchard lives in my
> area and is not necessarily thought of as a genius with these things even
> if he has been around for a long time. But the soob is a good engine for a
> builder who knows what to do with it. I didn't know. You didn't know. So
> guys like us would do better with the proven stuff cause we don't have the
> experience or inclination to be "that" experimental. I must admit I have
> spent way more time with engines than I had planned on, but it has been
> good for me. Don Walker do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald A. Applefeld<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld"
> <jerryvmd@blazenet.net<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net>>
>
> I generally just sit back and read what others have to say since my two
> cents aren't generally worth the paper it's not printed on. I have
> 601HD.
> I started with a SOOB EA81 for all the usual reasons - cheaper, can buy
> parts locally, good power, etc. I didn't start with the Stratus so my
> comments can't include that. My redrive, intake and carb were from Joe
> Souza in California who uses EA-81s on gyros and was recommended by Don
> Brouchard, that father of SOOBs in planes. On my very first flight
> (after
> high speed taxi and crow hops with no problems) I burned up the engine
> due
> to extreme overheating. It kept running to get me safely down but was
> beyond repair. I rebuild the first from Don's videos. The second was
> rebuild by Joe Souza, retaining the accessories from the original. After
> correcting some cowl and cooling issues I flew 5 hours but with less
> than
> stellar performance. We thought it was the prop pitch (using WARP
> 3-blade,
> ground adjustable). After tweeking the pitch several times, I was making
> another flight when I lost RPM at 500 feet. I was able to get it down
> again
> but found that two pistons were burned through - a mechanic said it was
> an
> over lean condition-obviously an induction problem yet I had no mixture
> control on the carb and the other head was fine. I now have a Jab 3300
> and
> have a good flying safe airplane. I wish I had never spent the time and
> money trying to make the SOOB work when there are proven, reliable
> engines.
> I know others are having better luck and stand behind their installations
> and I wish then all the best but my life means more to me, and I can only
> stretch the word EXPERIMENTAL so far.
> Jerry
>
> Cdngoose wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose"
> <601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>>
> >
> > We keep hearing about Subaru's falling from space , but in my area the
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Falling Subaru's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Yep, old tech, but practically bullitproof. Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Now you know why my next engine will be a Lyc!
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> McFarland
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> --> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> You're right Frank; when Jabaru went though their severe teething
> problems, they never left anyone floating and took care of the issues so
> that everyone was satisfied. That's why they're taking market share
> from the Subaru. In our case, the transfer of Stratus from the
> originator/builder/designer to a package reseller where engine
> refinement couldn't be taken quickly to
> continued
> development which might be because only so many of these have been
> built. I really like my Stratus Subaru, but this has been tempered by
> having to design a single throttle link between carbs, improved
> cooling
> of the Rabbit radiator, replaced a cracked right upper engine mount
> rejetted
> Bings
> for lower EGTs and replace the ignition pickup at the flywheel and
> module.
> Stratus
> took care of broken things rather quickly for me and being a problem
> solver,
> the rest
> of it has been an enjoyable learning experience thanks to this site.
>
> Larry
> Do not archive
>
>>
>> Well Larry I think after spending $7000 on a Soob conversion it would
>> be reasonable to expect that all the serious issues at least were
>> taken care of...Failing that at least the supplier of the package
>> would take on finding a fix and repairing the damaged engines for
>> free.
>
>> I do think a Soob package IF properly sorted is a good setup but there
>
>> is only one guy I would go to for an EA81 conversion and that is Ron
>> at Ram Performance.
>>
>> Frank
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Falling Subaru's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ramperf@aol.com
Gents
I must interject. Opinions are like, you know, and everyone has one but I
must say as a professional engine builder that the whole problem here is that
unprofessional people are the ones building the soobie. This is NOT an
attack. I have seen quite an array of engines in my shop from different builders,
and I must say that most of them are building engines to "get by" instead of
addressing the issues of an aircraft engine. It seems to me that the more you
spend on an engine the less you make and this looks like the angle taken or they
simply can't do the work. I, as an engine builder for 20+ years, have found
that this just doesn't work. If you sacrifice quality for price you will eat it.
I'm not saying I have not made mistakes, we all have, but there is a
difference in knowing and just not doing it.
This is the reason for failure in the soobie NOT THE ENGINE. This is a
good little engine and is more than capable of running in the rpm ranges of an
aircraft engine with a redrive, if the engine is built right to start. If you
plan on building your engine yourself, great, but be advised you can't just
hone the engine, install bearings and rings, give it a valve job, larger cam and
carb, and expect great things for it. You must build between the lines as well.
Well I must go to work now, so thanks for your time,
Ron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
Hi Frank,
If you check at the local auto parts store you will probably find some stuff
that will work. Instead of a tint film, it's a piece of sticky-back material
with thousands of tiny holes in it. You can still see through it because of
the holes, but it blocks the sun. More importantly, it will adhere to the
inside of the bubble and still look nice from the outside.
One of our local chapter members (Mark Frederick) used it on the inside of
his Rocket canopy. You can kinda see it in the pictures here:
http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepRocketII.html
It's that dark stripe down the inside of the bubble. Sorry I don't have a
brand name for you, but that should give you something to go by as you
browse your local auto parts store.
Regards,
Chris "Former Zenith guy, and still likes 'em" Boultinghouse
Austin, TX
Sonex N260SX (reserved)
http://sonex260.wheelsup.org
> -----Original Message-----
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <darbylake@bellsouth.net>
>
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection
> (i.e. bald). I would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but
> the local trim shop says the film will not stick to the lexan.
> Has anyone tried tinting their canopies?
>
> Thanks, Frank
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| Subject: | Was: corvair college Now: Suitability of the Corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
Larry,
It's funny that you mention you like the "sound of water", and that's
precisely one of the reasons I chose the Corvair - NO WATER! I understand
the issues around shock cooling, but I just can't get over the idea that all
the water and all that plumbing is heavy. I also like the mechanical
simplicity less pumps and water pipes and radiators.
I'm not trying to ignite a debate, just stating a preference. In my book
the Corvair is a every bit as reliable as the Jabiru 3300, based on William
Wynne's experience, and less than half the cost. I also like the idea of
being able to build it from plans.
Phil Maxson
601 XL/ Corvair
Intalling the Fuel System
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>From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: corvair college
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0600
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>I certainly looked at the Corvair, as it's a great engine for the 601. All
>the right features
>for very reasonable money. I'd prefer it to the Jab 3300 for its
>simplicity, but alas, it's
>air-cooled, even if it's considerably faster, I like the sound of water.
>
>Larry McFarland - 601HDS @ 45 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Tinting canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I used stained glass spray and it stuck find, however the problem was that
it distorted pretty bad. I suggest you try some of the stick on panels you
can move around, I just saw some advertised in Sporty's. I don't know if
that is the correct name or not. It seems to work pretty well, I have a
friend that uses it. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: <darbylake@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Tinting canopy?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <darbylake@bellsouth.net>
>
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection (i.e.
bald). I would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but the local trim
shop says the film will not stick to the lexan. Has anyone tried tinting
their canopies?
>
> Thanks, Frank
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 11/18/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
I've re-submitted the comment below because I think it should be in the
archives. My experience with the CAM100 has been similar. I didn't intend
to learn so much about engines when I started this project. I wanted a
'plug and play' solution. If I had to do it over again I too would have
sprung for a Jab 3300 or a Rotax or even a Lyc 235. For those who don't
want to become engine experts, I recommend these engines that have
'certified cousins' and all the support that comes from that. If you
install an auto conversion, you will by necessity become much more involved
in your installation. I counsel all those who've yet to choose the engine
to be aware of this.
regards,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
> Like you, I would probably spring for the Jab 33 if I had it to do again. But
> in
> the process I have learned a lot about engines and about Subaru's. If we are
> not engine men then who do you trust? ... So guys like us would do better
> with the proven stuff cause we don't have the experience or inclination to
> be "that" experimental. I must admit I have spent way more time with engines
> than I had planned on, but it has been good for me. Don Walker
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| Subject: | Falling Subaru's |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
1) Take the heads off and send them to Ram performance for a proper
valve guide job.
2) The original soob ignitor chip will probably fail in time...Not an
issue if you have the backup ignition installed...Run them both for TO
and landing!!!!!
3)There are alternatives to the above set up.
That's the most of it,...thw valve guides are paramount to get sorted
and ther is only one guy that can do it right.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Heathco
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
--> <cheathco@comcast.net>
Don, my project comes with a sub engine, E-81 Stratus. What do I need to
know about this inst that you and others ffound out the hard way?
Charlie.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
>
> Jerry,
> I got a kick out of your comments and couldn't help but chuckle. I
> know
> the frustration. The big problem is not knowing about engines and
still
> wanting to get things together and get flying...cheap.
> Like you, I would probably spring for the Jab 33 if I had it to do
again.
> But in the process I have learned a lot about engines and about
Subaru's.
> If we are not engine men then who do you trust? Don Brouchard lives in
my
> area and is not necessarily thought of as a genius with these things
even
> if he has been around for a long time. But the soob is a good engine
for a
> builder who knows what to do with it. I didn't know. You didn't know.
So
> guys like us would do better with the proven stuff cause we don't have
the
> experience or inclination to be "that" experimental. I must admit I
have
> spent way more time with engines than I had planned on, but it has
been
> good for me. Don Walker do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald A. Applefeld<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld"
> <jerryvmd@blazenet.net<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net>>
>
> I generally just sit back and read what others have to say since my
> two cents aren't generally worth the paper it's not printed on. I
> have 601HD. I started with a SOOB EA81 for all the usual reasons -
> cheaper, can buy parts locally, good power, etc. I didn't start with
> the Stratus so my comments can't include that. My redrive, intake
> and carb were from Joe Souza in California who uses EA-81s on gyros
> and was recommended by Don Brouchard, that father of SOOBs in planes.
> On my very first flight (after
> high speed taxi and crow hops with no problems) I burned up the
engine
> due
> to extreme overheating. It kept running to get me safely down but
was
> beyond repair. I rebuild the first from Don's videos. The second
was
> rebuild by Joe Souza, retaining the accessories from the original.
After
> correcting some cowl and cooling issues I flew 5 hours but with less
> than
> stellar performance. We thought it was the prop pitch (using WARP
> 3-blade,
> ground adjustable). After tweeking the pitch several times, I was
making
> another flight when I lost RPM at 500 feet. I was able to get it down
> again
> but found that two pistons were burned through - a mechanic said it
was
> an
> over lean condition-obviously an induction problem yet I had no
mixture
> control on the carb and the other head was fine. I now have a Jab
3300
> and
> have a good flying safe airplane. I wish I had never spent the time
and
> money trying to make the SOOB work when there are proven, reliable
> engines.
> I know others are having better luck and stand behind their
installations
> and I wish then all the best but my life means more to me, and I can
only
> stretch the word EXPERIMENTAL so far.
> Jerry
>
> Cdngoose wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose"
> <601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>>
> >
> > We keep hearing about Subaru's falling from space , but in my area
the
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
> I too am happily building a Pegastol wing. I put on my mechanical
> engineers hard hat before looking at the stress analysis calculations ...
Ok, how about putting the hat back on....
Chris Heintz, in one of the writeups on the ZAC website, talks about
the risk if one side of the extension mechanism is jammed and the
other side isn't, which would (I presume) create a very sudden and
large rolling moment when one side extends.
I suppose the response of a properly trained pilot would be to add
power immediately and repeat the landing attempt below slat extension
AOA.
Have the Daedalus people thought of this? Do they have a
recommendation? Or is the mechamnism set up so that this is a highly
unlikely scenario?
Peace,
I
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Someone should have written a book on using the Subaru in aircraft.
Rebuilding details are documented for the engine guys, but for the rest of
us, a scattered base of knowledge is available to improve our ability to fly
the Subaru package. The best thing is putting enough instrumentation into
the plane to know what is actually going on. Direct gages are good, but an
electronic Engine Information System that tracks EGT, CHT, RPM, oil pressure
and water temperature all on one screen at the same time with alarm settings
for max and min is an inexpensive and indispensable tool for the
experimental Subaru. Knowing what the data should read before you fly the
engine is essential. You program the EIS to these limits and you get warning
alerts up front quickly enough to make corrections before any damage can be
done. You have to compile information to set your EIS and become familiar
with jetting for a correct mixture, getting correct timing, having a dual
source ignition, obtaining good cooling at the radiator and balancing carbs,
all before the fact to keep your Subaru out of the weeds. It's a lot to
learn, not having been an engine guy. I was confused in trying to read and
understand CHT, EGT and Coolant temperatures and had managed to use the
wrong thermocouples. A good operating picture wasn't there until consistant
engine readings verified the information I'd read in Subaru specs, articles
and helpful posts from this site. The installation of the package Sub is
straight forward, but details for running are a worthwhile stretch for your
mind if you like a challenge.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS-Ram Performance Heads-Dual Ign TP45 modules and EIS
at www.macsmachine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> 1) Take the heads off and send them to Ram performance for a proper
> valve guide job.
>
> 2) The original soob ignitor chip will probably fail in time...Not an
> issue if you have the backup ignition installed...Run them both for TO
> and landing!!!!!
>
> 3)There are alternatives to the above set up.
>
> That's the most of it,...thw valve guides are paramount to get sorted
> and ther is only one guy that can do it right.
>
> Frank
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net>
I tried your advice today but with my situation, it was only marginally
successful. I then purchased a "Heavy-Duty Automotive Electrical Noise
Filter" (cat. No. 270-051B) from Radio Shack for $17.00. It had four
leads; orange to the power side of the radio (red wire), black to the
black ground wire of the radio, Red to the A/C power supply (my avionics
switch), and another black wire from the noise filter to ground. This
setup worked extremely well. No adverse noise what-so-ever. My
transmission to the tower went from "unreadable" to "loud and clear".
Thanks again. Jim
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
To the Zenith list wanting to tint canopies:
Lexan is a polycarbonate that blocks all UVB and most of UVA light. If
you're concerned about sunburn the canopy will prevent it. However,
make sure it is Lexan, not acrylic, because acrylic is not a good
filter for ultraviolet light in the A and B bands.
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | RE: Was 701 Question - G-loading... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Be careful with the assumption that if the manufacturer claims -6g's,
then the ultimate is -9g's.
It is usually the opposite in the kit plane world.
The 701 (and maybe the Pegacopy) is rated at 6g's ultimate (that's 4g's
design).
What is the difference between ultimate and design?? - a safety factor
of 1.5.
At 6g's, the 701 is "designed" (emphasis on the quote marks) to fail,
but don't go past 4g's for your own safety.
Why did kit planes start to give their speed in mph instead of knots?
To make them sound faster.
Martin
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
I am surprised that nobody else brought this up,
but as I understand it, you don't want to use Lexan
for the canopy at all. Maybe just a misunderstanding,
but plexiglass should always be used for canopies,
allowing for breaking through in case of emergency.
Anyone in the "know," please correct me if I am wrong.
R/
Brandon Tucker
Wings and tail complete
Riveting center wing
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| Subject: | Re: Tinting canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 11/18/04 11:29 PM, darbylake@bellsouth.net at darbylake@bellsouth.net
wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <darbylake@bellsouth.net>
>
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection (i.e. bald).
I
> would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but the local trim shop says
> the film will not stick to the lexan. Has anyone tried tinting their canopies?
>
> Thanks, Frank
>
>
Are you sure it's Lexan? If it's the standard Zenith canopy, it's acrylic.
Then again, maybe the same problem applies to acrylic. In which case, never
mind.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Pegastol wing for Zenith CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Regarding asymmetric slat extension, the slats extend at 30 mph. I spoke
to Gilles Boulanger about this issue, and he said that during slow speed
maneuvering the slats WILL extend with asymmetry, but the flaperon has
full control authority and it is not a problem to control. The slat
mechanism is built with a jig (supplied with the kit) so it is
accurate. The slats are made to extend easily and at time unequally.
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Tinting Canopy Suggestions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
Here are a couple of ideas.
http://www.axius.com/html/products/film/film_static.htm
http://www.edecals.com/misc/supplies.html
Jake
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| Subject: | Re: Tinting canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Fulp" <jrfulp@ncia.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <darbylake@bellsouth.net>
>
> Well I have reached the age when I need a little sun protection (i.e.
> bald). I
> would like to tint the inside top of my canopy but the local trim shop
> says
> the film will not stick to the lexan. Has anyone tried tinting their
> canopies?
>
> Thanks, Frank
>
>
Are you sure it's Lexan? If it's the standard Zenith canopy, it's acrylic.
Then again, maybe the same problem applies to acrylic. In which case, never
mind.
Go to http://www.angelfire.com/un/ch701/glass.html. He has some good advise
on lexan/acrylic doors
plus the PegaStol wings.
John
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Falling Subaru's |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:37:00 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Charlie,
Frank has made good suggestions. In addition you need to look at the engine mounts
that come from Stratus. Unless he has changed things they are of mild steel
rather than 4130 and there have been numerous reports of cracks found in the
upper right bracket/mount as well as other brackets. Be sure to get adequate
cooling engineered for your application. don
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>
1) Take the heads off and send them to Ram performance for a proper
valve guide job.
2) The original soob ignitor chip will probably fail in time...Not an
issue if you have the backup ignition installed...Run them both for TO
and landing!!!!!
3)There are alternatives to the above set up.
That's the most of it,...thw valve guides are paramount to get sorted
and ther is only one guy that can do it right.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Heathco
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
--> <cheathco@comcast.net<mailto:cheathco@comcast.net>>
Don, my project comes with a sub engine, E-81 Stratus. What do I need to
know about this inst that you and others ffound out the hard way?
Charlie.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com<mailto:d3dw@msn.com>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com<mailto:d3dw@msn.com>>
>
> Jerry,
> I got a kick out of your comments and couldn't help but chuckle. I
> know
> the frustration. The big problem is not knowing about engines and
still
> wanting to get things together and get flying...cheap.
> Like you, I would probably spring for the Jab 33 if I had it to do
again.
> But in the process I have learned a lot about engines and about
Subaru's.
> If we are not engine men then who do you trust? Don Brouchard lives in
my
> area and is not necessarily thought of as a genius with these things
even
> if he has been around for a long time. But the soob is a good engine
for a
> builder who knows what to do with it. I didn't know. You didn't know.
So
> guys like us would do better with the proven stuff cause we don't have
the
> experience or inclination to be "that" experimental. I must admit I
have
> spent way more time with engines than I had planned on, but it has
been
> good for me. Don Walker do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald A. Applefeld<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net>>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Falling Subaru's
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gerald A. Applefeld"
> <jerryvmd@blazenet.net<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net<mailto:jerryvmd@blazenet.net>>>
>
> I generally just sit back and read what others have to say since my
> two cents aren't generally worth the paper it's not printed on. I
> have 601HD. I started with a SOOB EA81 for all the usual reasons -
> cheaper, can buy parts locally, good power, etc. I didn't start with
> the Stratus so my comments can't include that. My redrive, intake
> and carb were from Joe Souza in California who uses EA-81s on gyros
> and was recommended by Don Brouchard, that father of SOOBs in planes.
> On my very first flight (after
> high speed taxi and crow hops with no problems) I burned up the
engine
> due
> to extreme overheating. It kept running to get me safely down but
was
> beyond repair. I rebuild the first from Don's videos. The second
was
> rebuild by Joe Souza, retaining the accessories from the original.
After
> correcting some cowl and cooling issues I flew 5 hours but with less
> than
> stellar performance. We thought it was the prop pitch (using WARP
> 3-blade,
> ground adjustable). After tweeking the pitch several times, I was
making
> another flight when I lost RPM at 500 feet. I was able to get it down
> again
> but found that two pistons were burned through - a mechanic said it
was
> an
> over lean condition-obviously an induction problem yet I had no
mixture
> control on the carb and the other head was fine. I now have a Jab
3300
> and
> have a good flying safe airplane. I wish I had never spent the time
and
> money trying to make the SOOB work when there are proven, reliable
> engines.
> I know others are having better luck and stand behind their
installations
> and I wish then all the best but my life means more to me, and I can
only
> stretch the word EXPERIMENTAL so far.
> Jerry
>
> Cdngoose wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose"
> <601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca<mailto:601xl@sympatico.ca>>>
> >
> > We keep hearing about Subaru's falling from space , but in my area
the
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Paden" <jeffpaden@madbbs.com>
I hope this message might help others to avoid the mistake I made.
You may remember that I posted a question about my engine sputtering.
Well, I found the problem and it was so simple that I can't believe that I
did not think of it sooner.
I had mounted the fuel boost pump on the firewall. THIS IS A BAD THING TO
DO! The fuel boost pump should have been mounted inside the cabin area so
as to keep it away from heat. The fuel was being heated and then turning to
vapor which in turn caused the engine to sputter. So, plan ahead and make
room for your fuel boost pump under the seat area or some other place inside
the cabin area.
Jeff Paden
CH-604 Flying once again!
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| Subject: | Re: Was: corvair college Now: Suitability of the Corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Phil, I just met a fellow today who is building a UDS, using Corvair power
here in the Atl area, you may even know him Greg Jannakos. charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Was: corvair college Now: Suitability of the Corvair
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
>
> Larry,
>
> It's funny that you mention you like the "sound of water", and that's
> precisely one of the reasons I chose the Corvair - NO WATER! I understand
> the issues around shock cooling, but I just can't get over the idea that
> all
> the water and all that plumbing is heavy. I also like the mechanical
> simplicity less pumps and water pipes and radiators.
>
> I'm not trying to ignite a debate, just stating a preference. In my book
> the Corvair is a every bit as reliable as the Jabiru 3300, based on
> William
> Wynne's experience, and less than half the cost. I also like the idea of
> being able to build it from plans.
>
> Phil Maxson
> 601 XL/ Corvair
> Intalling the Fuel System
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>>From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: corvair college
>>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:36:00 -0600
>>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
>><larrymc@qconline.com>
>>
>>I certainly looked at the Corvair, as it's a great engine for the 601.
>>All
>>the right features
>>for very reasonable money. I'd prefer it to the Jab 3300 for its
>>simplicity, but alas, it's
>>air-cooled, even if it's considerably faster, I like the sound of water.
>>
>>Larry McFarland - 601HDS @ 45 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | altrenative engines, Subaru, Corvair |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
You are on the right track. Find a working example of
your desired conversion and copy that. Do not try to
reinvent the wheel unless you are an expert in the
field. I have no comment on the $7,000 off the shelf
conversion that did not work. I have however seen
some $2,000 conversions work great. If you want to do
a auto conversion you need to plan to spend a lot more
time. Most of all you need to do your homework.
There are many examples of VW, Corvair, Subaru,
Suzuki, Geo Metro, Chevy and Ford engines flying with
great success. They all have one thing in common.
The owner, builder was their own mechanic and they did
their homework. They also where successful in keeping
the damed thing cool. If you cant keep it cool it
matters not what engine you have. By the way, those
airplane engines fail as well. Just another mans
opinion.
Brett
I normally dont post to this list, but I just returned
from william
wynne's "corvair
college #8". I am very excited about this very
affordable auto
conversion,
considering all I have to do is copy William's 601
installation, and
total
firewall fwd cost is something like $5000. I see all
of these recent
posts about
the subaru installation and am wondering if any of you
have considered
the
corvair.
We had a great time at the college. There were more
than 40 people
there throughout
the weekend, and I believe well over a dozen engines
had some work done
to them. I also think that about 6
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Was 701 Question - G-loading... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I like that "Pegacopy", the only thing copied is the bolts bolting it up,
everything else is different and in my opinion, better. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Was 701 Question - G-loading...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
>
>
> Be careful with the assumption that if the manufacturer claims -6g's,
> then the ultimate is -9g's.
>
> It is usually the opposite in the kit plane world.
>
> The 701 (and maybe the Pegacopy) is rated at 6g's ultimate (that's 4g's
> design).
>
> What is the difference between ultimate and design?? - a safety factor
> of 1.5.
>
> At 6g's, the 701 is "designed" (emphasis on the quote marks) to fail,
> but don't go past 4g's for your own safety.
>
>
> Why did kit planes start to give their speed in mph instead of knots?
> To make them sound faster.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
From what I see in building them, I believe that would be next to
impossible. They are really very simple, lot of clearance in the slide.
There is nothing to jam unless you get dirt dobbers in them, but that is
what pre-flights are for. And, I did ask that question of Gillis of
Dedaluis. He said they have never had that problem, none of the builders I
talked to mentioned it either.
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ihab Awad" <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ihab Awad <ihab.awad@gmail.com>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
> > I too am happily building a Pegastol wing. I put on my mechanical
> > engineers hard hat before looking at the stress analysis calculations
...
>
> Ok, how about putting the hat back on....
>
> Chris Heintz, in one of the writeups on the ZAC website, talks about
> the risk if one side of the extension mechanism is jammed and the
> other side isn't, which would (I presume) create a very sudden and
> large rolling moment when one side extends.
>
> I suppose the response of a properly trained pilot would be to add
> power immediately and repeat the landing attempt below slat extension
> AOA.
>
> Have the Daedalus people thought of this? Do they have a
> recommendation? Or is the mechamnism set up so that this is a highly
> unlikely scenario?
>
> Peace,
>
> I
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Stabilizer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rich" <rbauer@intergate.com>
Is there anything wrong with extending the original stabilizer to the length
of the new one? All that would need to be ordered are a few extra ribs, the
spar (which would be cut for two proper lengths, one on each end), & some
extra skinning aluminum.
Rich
801
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: 801 Stabilizer
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom Faulkner" <tomtafcor@triton.net>
>
>
> Does the wider tail make that much
> difference? I'll be doing most all my flying in the mountains of NC,
mostly
> on and off
> a narrow and short paved strip. Thanks ahead of time.
>
> Much depends on how heavy an engine you will be installing. I flew
the
> factory demo with the 360 Lyc both before and after the installation of
the
> new stabilizer and could tell there was enough difference that we ordered
> and built the new stab even though we had an old one done. It actually is
> not too big a deal to change, so you may want to try what you have then
> change later.
>
>
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