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1. 06:22 AM - Luggage rack restraints ()
2. 07:14 AM - Re: Luggage rack restraints (Larry Martin)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Steering rod boots (Larry Martin)
4. 09:25 AM - Prop info please (rical26)
5. 10:06 AM - Re: Prop info please (Larry McFarland)
6. 10:34 AM - Wheel bearing, 601UDS (Charles Heathco)
7. 10:38 AM - Re: Luggage rack restraints (familie chesterman)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS (Jerry Latimer)
9. 11:34 AM - Re: Vapor lock (Don Walker)
10. 03:07 PM - Why I chose the XL (Matt & Jo)
11. 03:27 PM - 701 (PJK98@aol.com)
12. 03:37 PM - Re: Why I chose the XL (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
13. 03:47 PM - Re: Why I chose the XL (Al Young)
14. 04:59 PM - Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS (Charles Heathco)
15. 05:10 PM - Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
16. 05:50 PM - Re: Why I chose the XL (Benford2@aol.com)
17. 07:21 PM - Re: Why I chose the XL (Mike H)
18. 07:37 PM - Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS (Charles Heathco)
19. 07:44 PM - Re: Why I chose the XL (Charles Heathco)
20. 08:40 PM - Re: Why I chose the XL (sportpilot)
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| Subject: | Luggage rack restraints |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <buchdvm@fidnet.com>
I have concerns about items I have stowed in the 701 luggage rack becoming dangerous
flying objects. Before I try to reinvent the wheel does anyone have a good
solution?
Thanks
Ken B.
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| Subject: | Re: Luggage rack restraints |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Put some small eyebolts in and use bungees, or a net. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: <buchdvm@fidnet.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Luggage rack restraints
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <buchdvm@fidnet.com>
>
> I have concerns about items I have stowed in the 701 luggage rack becoming
dangerous flying objects. Before I try to reinvent the wheel does anyone
have a good solution?
> Thanks
> Ken B.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Steering rod boots |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
You can buy that fire caulk at Lowe's, look in the electrical section or ask
someone. Larry, N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sinclair" <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Steering rod boots
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
>
> For what it's worth, my tech counselor recommended the high temp red RTV
> silicone, so thats what I used to seal my firewall. Easy to apply.
>
> JERICKSON03E@aol.com wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 11/3/2004 9:56:53 AM Central Standard Time,
sonar1@cox.net
> > writes:
> >
> > Planning on using the electricians firestop caulk for the rest of the
> > firewall.
> >
> > Fred Sanford
> > Fred
> > What is the PN or brand of the firestop caulk please?
> > Jerry
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop info please |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "rical26" <rical26@rogers.com>
Hi, I'm a new owner of a 1993 601HD, I have a 66" GSC 3 blades wood prop. I would
like to know if I can install a 70" warp drive 3 blades prop!! I have a 912UL.
Thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Prop info please |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Hi Richard,
You might put that question to Warp Drive Inc.
Ventura, Iowa, Phone 1-800-833-9357 U.S. & Canada
or (641) 357-7592. Brent Battles uses a 3-blade -70" Warp Drive,
but I'd not want to consider the 2-blade because there were reported
problems with it on a 912 engine. They are your best source.
Larry McFarland
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop info please
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "rical26" <rical26@rogers.com>
>
> Hi, I'm a new owner of a 1993 601HD, I have a 66" GSC 3 blades wood prop.
> I would like to know if I can install a 70" warp drive 3 blades prop!! I
> have a 912UL.
> Thanks
> Richard
>
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| Subject: | Wheel bearing, 601UDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
The lft wheel on the project has torn up bearing How I dont know as plane
has never flown), also turnbuckle part of rt aleron control rod is missing.
Any source for these other than Zenith? charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Luggage rack restraints |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: familie chesterman <chesterman@on.aibn.com>
it means an extra panel but i have a friend that put a panel where the old small
baggage compartment used to end and put an external door to put stuff in the
rear
compartment.you won't be able to access stuff in flight if it is in the back but
it can never jump out and get you. tents, sleeping bags, tie downs all fit nicely
. if i had
saw this before i built my 701, it would have one also.
dave c
buchdvm@fidnet.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: <buchdvm@fidnet.com>
>
> I have concerns about items I have stowed in the 701 luggage rack becoming dangerous
flying objects. Before I try to reinvent the wheel does anyone have a
good solution?
> Thanks
> Ken B.
>
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| Subject: | Wheel bearing, 601UDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Aircraft Spruce,
Wicks,
Jerry
601HDS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Heathco
Subject: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
The lft wheel on the project has torn up bearing How I dont know as plane
has never flown), also turnbuckle part of rt aleron control rod is missing.
Any source for these other than Zenith? charlie
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Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:32:49 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
+++ Or you could just look at the firewall of almost any Piper low-wing
+++ and copy that. It's a box/surround made of aluminum that blocks
+++ direct heat from other engine major thermal producers.
Tony Bingelis' books on engines go into detail on just such heat
blockers.
This has worked fine for me for 345 hours. Mine is mounted on the firewall within
only several inches from the tank so it doesn't have far to suck fuel. In
fact it is below it so it is gravity feed. (header tank)The main protection is
the heat muff around the muffler for cabin heat, and then the use of insulating
sleeves around the fuel line. No trouble yet in the Texas heat. It also keeps
the oil temperature below 190 degrees even in the hottest summer. Don walker
HDS TD
----- Original Message -----
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Vapor lock
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>
That will help, but even better (especially on a low wing plane) to put
it right at the outlet of each fuel tank....The less length of line you
have to suck through the less likleyhood of VL...
On my new IO360 Motor I am plannig to ditch the mechanical fuel pump and
put electric pumps like I described above. No reason not to do this on
any other motor, except you junk the mechanical fuel pump...Not an issue
with a soob because there isn't one...
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vapor lock
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com<mailto:zodiacjeff@msn.com>>
The fuel boost pump should have been mounted inside the cabin area so as
to keep it away from heat. The fuel was being heated and then turning
to vapor which in turn caused the engine to sputter. So, plan ahead and
make room for your fuel boost pump under the seat area or some other
place inside the cabin area.
+++ Or you could just look at the firewall of almost any Piper low-wing
+++ and copy that. It's a box/surround made of aluminum that blocks
+++ direct heat from other engine major thermal producers.
Tony Bingelis' books on engines go into detail on just such heat
blockers.
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| Subject: | Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
I got a question on why I chose the XL. Thought it was worth sharing.
I looked a lot at the RV. The RV has speed and maneuverability and is a darn fine
looking aircraft. However, the construction of the RV takes a lot more time.
So about the only practical thing would be the quick build which is a lot
more expensive. I don't think that you could touch an RV for less than 50K.
The other issue was just the design. In a past life I spent some time as a designer.
Not that I am an expert. But looking at the construction of the 601
it looks a lot simpler, and simpler is usually better. The other thing I did
was look at the accident rates and causes with the RVs. There are a lot more
failures that one might attribute to a higher performance aircraft. Such as
landing accidents. The RV is a hot little aircraft. I am a test pilot and have
flown a lot of high performance aircraft. They are fun but proficiency and
experience are large factors for safety. I don't think I would have a problem
but when I go to sell it one day I am not sure if the person I would sell it
to would have the same skill level. I am a little concerned about liability.
For me it really came down to what sort of flying do I want to do with this aircraft.
I fly plenty of IFR and really don't want to do this for fun. I really
just want something to go up on a VFR day and put put around. You know I see
a lot of pilots that spend a lot of time and money trying to maintain an IFR
aircraft and IFR skills. Don't get me wrong these are very valuable skills.
But they are fleeting skills. If you don't stay proficient (And I mean proficient
not just current) flying can be very dangerous. How many times have we
all read about a single engine aircraft in the weather and a barely proficient
pilot running into trouble. The flying I miss most is just simple VFR, just
spending time aloft on a nice day and enjoying the view. I think sometimes
we take for granted how beautiful it is just to fly.
So, I chose the 601 XL:
Construction time - much less
Bucking thousands of rivets vs. pulling thousands of rivets
Cost - more reasonable
Performance - adequate
Safety vs. Performance
Cheers
The Tail Kit should be here in a week or so.
Matt
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: PJK98@aol.com
Hello all,may I ask what is the Real build time of a 701 built form a
kit,and if there any down sides to this plane,thinking about starting one(tail
kit
or should I go to the factory fly a single place challenger now and it just
missing one thing a second seat, also I live in the Philadelphia area and
would have to store this plane outside,I would be grateful for any input.
Paul Kornacki
_PJK98@aol.com_ (mailto:PJK98@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Matt:
I echo your thoughts and bought the XL for all the same reasons. Your
aviation qualifications are so superior to mine I'm amazed we are building the
same airplane!!
I'm sure you have heard all the advise on joining your local EAA chapter and
receiving the benefit of thier experience, but let me share my experience
with you. My local EAA chapter is tolerant, but not quite understanding as to
why I didn't buy an RV - almost all the current builders there are building
RV's - and the overwhelming comments I get back is "avex (blind) rivets are for
wimps" and "only 125 horsepower? What a slug you're building !!"
Ok, I'm paraphrasing...people are not quite that crude...but the sentiment
is there. So, get that Zenith Aircraft T-shirt and wear it with pride knowing
you'll be flying in half the time THEY will be!
Is this your first airplane project? Had you considered the factory rudder
workshop? The experience is invaluable !
Have a blast !
Tracy
do not archive
601XL tail kit 85% complete
In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
archermj@swbell.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
I got a question on why I chose the XL. Thought it was worth sharing.
I looked a lot at the RV. The RV has speed and maneuverability and is a
darn fine looking aircraft. However, the construction of the RV takes a lot
more time. So about the only practical thing would be the quick build which
is
a lot more expensive. I don't think that you could touch an RV for less
than 50K. The other issue was just the design. In a past life I spent some
time as a designer. Not that I am an expert. But looking at the construction
of the 601 it looks a lot simpler, and simpler is usually better. The other
thing I did was look at the accident rates and causes with the RVs. There are
a lot more failures that one might attribute to a higher performance
aircraft. Such as landing accidents. The RV is a hot little aircraft. I am
a test
pilot and have flown a lot of high performance aircraft. They are fun but
proficiency and experience are large factors for safety. I don't think I
would have a problem but when I go to sell it one day I am not sure if!
the person I would sell it to would have the same skill level. I am a
little concerned about liability.
For me it really came down to what sort of flying do I want to do with this
aircraft. I fly plenty of IFR and really don't want to do this for fun. I
really just want something to go up on a VFR day and put put around. You
know I see a lot of pilots that spend a lot of time and money trying to maintain
an IFR aircraft and IFR skills. Don't get me wrong these are very valuable
skills. But they are fleeting skills. If you don't stay proficient (And I
mean proficient not just current) flying can be very dangerous. How many
times have we all read about a single engine aircraft in the weather and a
barely proficient pilot running into trouble. The flying I miss most is just
simple VFR, just spending time aloft on a nice day and enjoying the view. I
think sometimes we take for granted how beautiful it is just to fly.
So, I chose the 601 XL:
Construction time - much less
Bucking thousands of rivets vs. pulling thousands of rivets
Cost - more reasonable
Performance - adequate
Safety vs. Performance
Cheers
The Tail Kit should be here in a week or so.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Matt- Good for you! You hit the nail on the head. The XL won't win any air
races (Exception- Schneider Cup), but will allow you a lot of fun at a
reasonable cost.
Al Young
N-601AY (almost Done)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
Hiya Jerry, dont know about wix, but spruce catalog doesnt have anything
that looks like whats on the UDS. Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>
> Aircraft Spruce,
> Wicks,
> Jerry
> 601HDS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Heathco
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
> The lft wheel on the project has torn up bearing How I dont know as plane
> has never flown), also turnbuckle part of rt aleron control rod is
> missing.
> Any source for these other than Zenith? charlie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Any chance on pulling that wheel bearing and matching it up my the manufacturers
part number at a bearing house??
Do not archive
In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:57:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Charles Heathco"
<cheathco@comcast.net> writes:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
>
>Hiya Jerry, dont know about wix, but spruce catalog doesnt have anything
>that looks like whats on the UDS. Charlie
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>>
>> Aircraft Spruce,
>> Wicks,
>> Jerry
>> 601HDS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Heathco
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
>> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>>
>> The lft wheel on the project has torn up bearing How I dont know as plane
>> has never flown), also turnbuckle part of rt aleron control rod is
>> missing.
>> Any source for these other than Zenith? charlie
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 11/21/2004 4:08:47 PM Mountain Standard Time,
archermj@swbell.net writes:
>
> So, I chose the 601 XL:
>
> Construction time - much less
> Bucking thousands of rivets vs. pulling thousands of rivets
> Cost - more reasonable
> Performance - adequate
> Safety vs. Performance
>
> Cheers
>
> The Tail Kit should be here in a week or so.
>
> Matt
>
Ya got your head screwed on right, thats for sure...
Ben Haas N801BH
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
The RVator's around here love their aircraft, as they should, it is a fine
bird. Your right, many are closed minded when it comes to other a/c.
Everyone has different taste and needs, and like Matt said, different flying
abilities. I'm trying to decide on the Zodiac or the RV9. At this stage in
my life the Zodiac will be more practical for my type of flying , along with
the quicker build time, and simpler design.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <Crvsecretary@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Why I chose the XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>
>
> Hello Matt:
>
> I echo your thoughts and bought the XL for all the same reasons. Your
> aviation qualifications are so superior to mine I'm amazed we are building
the
> same airplane!!
>
> I'm sure you have heard all the advise on joining your local EAA chapter
and
> receiving the benefit of thier experience, but let me share my experience
> with you. My local EAA chapter is tolerant, but not quite understanding
as to
> why I didn't buy an RV - almost all the current builders there are
building
> RV's - and the overwhelming comments I get back is "avex (blind) rivets
are for
> wimps" and "only 125 horsepower? What a slug you're building !!"
>
> Ok, I'm paraphrasing...people are not quite that crude...but the sentiment
> is there. So, get that Zenith Aircraft T-shirt and wear it with pride
knowing
> you'll be flying in half the time THEY will be!
>
> Is this your first airplane project? Had you considered the factory
rudder
> workshop? The experience is invaluable !
>
> Have a blast !
>
> Tracy
> do not archive
> 601XL tail kit 85% complete
>
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> archermj@swbell.net writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>
> I got a question on why I chose the XL. Thought it was worth sharing.
>
> I looked a lot at the RV. The RV has speed and maneuverability and is a
> darn fine looking aircraft. However, the construction of the RV takes a
lot
> more time. So about the only practical thing would be the quick build
which is
> a lot more expensive. I don't think that you could touch an RV for less
> than 50K. The other issue was just the design. In a past life I spent
some
> time as a designer. Not that I am an expert. But looking at the
construction
> of the 601 it looks a lot simpler, and simpler is usually better. The
other
> thing I did was look at the accident rates and causes with the RVs.
There are
> a lot more failures that one might attribute to a higher performance
> aircraft. Such as landing accidents. The RV is a hot little aircraft.
I am a test
> pilot and have flown a lot of high performance aircraft. They are fun
but
> proficiency and experience are large factors for safety. I don't think I
> would have a problem but when I go to sell it one day I am not sure if!
> the person I would sell it to would have the same skill level. I am a
> little concerned about liability.
>
> For me it really came down to what sort of flying do I want to do with
this
> aircraft. I fly plenty of IFR and really don't want to do this for fun.
I
> really just want something to go up on a VFR day and put put around.
You
> know I see a lot of pilots that spend a lot of time and money trying to
maintain
> an IFR aircraft and IFR skills. Don't get me wrong these are very
valuable
> skills. But they are fleeting skills. If you don't stay proficient
(And I
> mean proficient not just current) flying can be very dangerous. How many
> times have we all read about a single engine aircraft in the weather and
a
> barely proficient pilot running into trouble. The flying I miss most is
just
> simple VFR, just spending time aloft on a nice day and enjoying the
view. I
> think sometimes we take for granted how beautiful it is just to fly.
>
> So, I chose the 601 XL:
>
> Construction time - much less
> Bucking thousands of rivets vs. pulling thousands of rivets
> Cost - more reasonable
> Performance - adequate
> Safety vs. Performance
>
> Cheers
>
> The Tail Kit should be here in a week or so.
>
> Matt
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel bearing, 601UDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
might work. I think I will wait untill Zenith has my ownership xfer papers
in hand and will get the parts from them, Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: <Crvsecretary@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>
> Any chance on pulling that wheel bearing and matching it up my the
> manufacturers part number at a bearing house??
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2004 7:57:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Charles
> Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net> writes:
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
>><cheathco@comcast.net>
>>
>>Hiya Jerry, dont know about wix, but spruce catalog doesnt have anything
>>that looks like whats on the UDS. Charlie
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
>>
>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jerry Latimer" <jlatimer1@cox.net>
>>>
>>> Aircraft Spruce,
>>> Wicks,
>>> Jerry
>>> 601HDS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
>>> Heathco
>>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Wheel bearing, 601UDS
>>>
>>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco"
>>> <cheathco@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> The lft wheel on the project has torn up bearing How I dont know as
>>> plane
>>> has never flown), also turnbuckle part of rt aleron control rod is
>>> missing.
>>> Any source for these other than Zenith? charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@comcast.net>
As a very recent RV owner, and having taken a test ride in the XL in Mex, I
was impressed with the performance of the Xl, and actually was on the road
with pickup and trailer going to fetch the 601 Uds when I stopped to check
out the Rv6a that had just hit the mkt, and bought it as it was such a good
deal. I now have the UDS in the garage and as soon as I get the little stuff
taken care of, Im going to sell it, dont need 3 planes. (cherokee 140 for
sale in tradaplane) charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Why I chose the XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> The RVator's around here love their aircraft, as they should, it is a fine
> bird. Your right, many are closed minded when it comes to other a/c.
> Everyone has different taste and needs, and like Matt said, different
> flying
> abilities. I'm trying to decide on the Zodiac or the RV9. At this stage
> in
> my life the Zodiac will be more practical for my type of flying , along
> with
> the quicker build time, and simpler design.
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Crvsecretary@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Why I chose the XL
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>>
>>
>> Hello Matt:
>>
>> I echo your thoughts and bought the XL for all the same reasons. Your
>> aviation qualifications are so superior to mine I'm amazed we are
>> building
> the
>> same airplane!!
>>
>> I'm sure you have heard all the advise on joining your local EAA chapter
> and
>> receiving the benefit of thier experience, but let me share my experience
>> with you. My local EAA chapter is tolerant, but not quite understanding
> as to
>> why I didn't buy an RV - almost all the current builders there are
> building
>> RV's - and the overwhelming comments I get back is "avex (blind) rivets
> are for
>> wimps" and "only 125 horsepower? What a slug you're building !!"
>>
>> Ok, I'm paraphrasing...people are not quite that crude...but the
>> sentiment
>> is there. So, get that Zenith Aircraft T-shirt and wear it with pride
> knowing
>> you'll be flying in half the time THEY will be!
>>
>> Is this your first airplane project? Had you considered the factory
> rudder
>> workshop? The experience is invaluable !
>>
>> Have a blast !
>>
>> Tracy
>> do not archive
>> 601XL tail kit 85% complete
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> archermj@swbell.net writes:
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>>
>> I got a question on why I chose the XL. Thought it was worth sharing.
>>
>> I looked a lot at the RV. The RV has speed and maneuverability and is a
>> darn fine looking aircraft. However, the construction of the RV takes a
> lot
>> more time. So about the only practical thing would be the quick build
> which is
>> a lot more expensive. I don't think that you could touch an RV for less
>> than 50K. The other issue was just the design. In a past life I spent
> some
>> time as a designer. Not that I am an expert. But looking at the
> construction
>> of the 601 it looks a lot simpler, and simpler is usually better. The
> other
>> thing I did was look at the accident rates and causes with the RVs.
> There are
>> a lot more failures that one might attribute to a higher performance
>> aircraft. Such as landing accidents. The RV is a hot little aircraft.
> I am a test
>> pilot and have flown a lot of high performance aircraft. They are fun
> but
>> proficiency and experience are large factors for safety. I don't think
>> I
>> would have a problem but when I go to sell it one day I am not sure if!
>> the person I would sell it to would have the same skill level. I am a
>> little concerned about liability.
>>
>> For me it really came down to what sort of flying do I want to do with
> this
>> aircraft. I fly plenty of IFR and really don't want to do this for fun.
> I
>> really just want something to go up on a VFR day and put put around.
> You
>> know I see a lot of pilots that spend a lot of time and money trying to
> maintain
>> an IFR aircraft and IFR skills. Don't get me wrong these are very
> valuable
>> skills. But they are fleeting skills. If you don't stay proficient
> (And I
>> mean proficient not just current) flying can be very dangerous. How
>> many
>> times have we all read about a single engine aircraft in the weather and
> a
>> barely proficient pilot running into trouble. The flying I miss most is
> just
>> simple VFR, just spending time aloft on a nice day and enjoying the
> view. I
>> think sometimes we take for granted how beautiful it is just to fly.
>>
>> So, I chose the 601 XL:
>>
>> Construction time - much less
>> Bucking thousands of rivets vs. pulling thousands of rivets
>> Cost - more reasonable
>> Performance - adequate
>> Safety vs. Performance
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> The Tail Kit should be here in a week or so.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why I chose the XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "sportpilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
I was in the same boat, I love the 601XL , even went to the chez (however
you spell it) republic to look at chips
factory.. all the way from south texas , :) crazy I know, but they build
some awesome aircraft.. but then again
my 1st love was the RV9a, I found a deal on one that I couldn't pass up
and its a 1st class kit, and the tail , wings (almost done) and the QB fuse
is setting here with a 0320 lycoming I prob have another year to go.. oh
well... hope
it will be worth it.. both are great crafts..
Danny..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Why I chose the XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> The RVator's around here love their aircraft, as they should, it is a fine
> bird. Your right, many are closed minded when it comes to other a/c.
> Everyone has different taste and needs, and like Matt said, different
> flying
> abilities. I'm trying to decide on the Zodiac or the RV9. At this stage
> in
> my life the Zodiac will be more practical for my type of flying , along
> with
> the quicker build time, and simpler design.
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Crvsecretary@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Why I chose the XL
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
>>
>>
>> Hello Matt:
>>
>> I echo your thoughts and bought the XL for all the same reasons. Your
>> aviation qualifications are so superior to mine I'm amazed we are
>> building
> the
>> same airplane!!
>>
>> I'm sure you have heard all the advise on joining your local EAA chapter
> and
>> receiving the benefit of thier experience, but let me share my experience
>> with you. My local EAA chapter is tolerant, but not quite understanding
> as to
>> why I didn't buy an RV - almost all the current builders there are
> building
>> RV's - and the overwhelming comments I get back is "avex (blind) rivets
> are for
>> wimps" and "only 125 horsepower? What a slug you're building !!"
>>
>> Ok, I'm paraphrasing...people are not quite that crude...but the
>> sentiment
>> is there. So, get that Zenith Aircraft T-shirt and wear it with pride
> knowing
>> you'll be flying in half the time THEY will be!
>>
>> Is this your first airplane project? Had you considered the factory
> rudder
>> workshop? The experience is invaluable !
>>
>> Have a blast !
>>
>> Tracy
>> do not archive
>> 601XL tail kit 85% complete
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/21/2004 6:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> archermj@swbell.net writes:
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>>
>> I got a question on why I chose the XL. Thought it was worth sharing.
>>
>> I looked a lot at the RV. The RV has speed and maneuverability and is a
>> darn fine looking aircraft. However, the construction of the RV takes a
> lot
>> more time. So about the only practical thing would be the quick build
> which is
>> a lot more expensive. I don't think that you could touch an RV for less
>> than 50K. The other issue was just the design. In a past life I spent
> some
>> time as a designer. Not that I am an expert. But looking at the
> construction
>> of the 601 it looks a lot simpler, and simpler is usually better. The
> other
>> thing I did was look at the accident rates and causes with the RVs.
> There are
>> a lot more failures that one might attribute to a higher performance
>> aircraft. Such as landing accidents. The RV is a hot little aircraft.
> I am a test
>> pilot and have flown a lot of high performance aircraft. They are fun
> but
>> proficiency and experience are large factors for safety. I don't think
>> I
>> would have a problem but when I go to sell it one day I am not sure if!
>> the person I would sell it to would have the same skill level. I am a
>> little concerned about liability.
>>
>> For me it really came down to what sort of flying do I want to do with
> this
>> aircraft. I fly plenty of IFR and really don't want to do this for fun.
> I
>> really just want something to go up on a VFR day and put put around.
> You
>> know I see a lot of pilots that spend a lot of time and money trying to
> maintain
>> an IFR aircraft and IFR skills. Don't get me wrong these are very
> valuable
>> skills. But they are fleeting skills. If you don't stay proficient
> (And I
>> mean proficient not just current) flying can be very dangerous. How
>> many
>> times have we all read about a single engine aircraft in the weather and
> a
>> barely proficient pilot running into trouble. The flying I miss most is
> just
>> simple VFR, just spending time aloft on a nice day and enjoying the
> view. I
>> think sometimes we take for granted how beautiful it is just to fly.
>>
>> So, I chose the 601 XL:
>>
>> Construction time - much less
>> Bucking thousands of rivets vs. pulling thousands of rivets
>> Cost - more reasonable
>> Performance - adequate
>> Safety vs. Performance
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> The Tail Kit should be here in a week or so.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>
>
>
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