Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Corvair Discussion (Brandon Tucker)
2. 02:31 AM - List Contributors Lagging By 38%... (Matt Dralle)
3. 03:10 AM - Re: List Contributors Lagging By 38%... (Jonathan Starke)
4. 04:21 AM - Re: taildragger (Dave Kubassek)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Discussion (Michel Therrien)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: CH701 BRS (Larry Martin)
7. 05:46 AM - Re: Prop Pitch (Dave Kubassek)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: CH701 BRS (Dirk Slabbert)
9. 06:28 AM - Subject: Corvair Discussion (Bima, Martin)
10. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Discussion (Ozarkseller2@aol.com)
11. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Discussion (Michel Therrien)
12. 07:17 AM - corvair discussion (The Minearts)
13. 07:19 AM - Re: CH701 BRS (Carlos Sa)
14. 07:29 AM - BRS in 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
15. 08:03 AM - Re:BRS/GRS ballistic system in 701 (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
16. 08:15 AM - Re: Canopy Tinting (Thilo Kind)
17. 08:15 AM - Re: Landing (Thilo Kind)
18. 08:15 AM - Re: 912 idle speed (Thilo Kind)
19. 08:37 AM - 701 Windscreen Rubber Channel (RURUNY@aol.com)
20. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Discussion (Chris Boultinghouse)
21. 08:52 AM - 701 Top lexan installation (RURUNY@aol.com)
22. 09:13 AM - RE Prop pitch (john H)
23. 10:01 AM - Re: taildragger (Leo J. Corbalis)
24. 11:12 AM - (Chuck Deiterich)
25. 12:33 PM - 701 Wing Nose Skin (Rick)
26. 12:54 PM - steering rods (Flydog1966@aol.com)
27. 01:09 PM - Re: 701 Wing Nose Skin (Ed Kramer)
28. 01:23 PM - vents cut into canopy? (Jack Russell)
29. 02:30 PM - Re: steering rods (Larry McFarland)
30. 02:34 PM - Re: vents cut into canopy? (Cleone Markwell)
31. 02:50 PM - Re: vents cut into canopy? (Larry McFarland)
32. 03:19 PM - Re: steering rods (The Meiste's)
33. 05:53 PM - Re: 701 Top lexan installation (Larry Martin)
34. 05:53 PM - (Larry Martin)
35. 05:53 PM - Re: BRS in 701 (Larry Martin)
36. 05:53 PM - Re: CH701 BRS (Larry Martin)
37. 05:55 PM - Spotlight on Chris Heintz in KITPLANES! (Jon Croke)
38. 06:37 PM - Re: CH701 BRS (Mike Sinclair)
39. 07:00 PM - Re: CH701 BRS (Jim Pellien)
40. 08:31 PM - Re: steering rods (Michel Therrien)
41. 09:11 PM - Re: steering rods (Brett)
42. 09:11 PM - Re: steering rods (Brett)
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| Subject: | RE: Corvair Discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
To clarify, WW recommends using a stock 8409
crank. 8409 meaning late model stroke. I got 2 from
the local CORSA club for 15 bucks each. Eat your
heart out Lycoming lovers!
I think I read somewhere that there has never
been a case of a broken crank behind a conservative
Corvair conversion. If anyone has specific Corvair
questions, or just want to learn more, check out WW's
site at: http://flycorvair.com
Or join the Corvair list at:
http://www.corvaircraft.com
I was pretty well set on the Subaru when I
started looking into the Corvair. It just seems to
have a better track record, and certainly a better
reputation, especially within the Zodiac ranks. (Just
an opinion. Please don't flame me) Whether true or
not, sometimes perception is reality. :)
Respectfully,
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS
wings done, tail done,
center wing done.
working on rear fuse.
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| Subject: | List Contributors Lagging By 38%... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this
year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 38%! I'm
hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their
support... ;-)
Please remember that its solely your direct Contributions that keep these
Lists up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't
want to support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding
advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really*
don't want to have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial
atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Won't you please take a moment to make a contribution today in support of
the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have
already made their generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: List Contributors Lagging By 38%... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <Jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi Matt,
I made a contribution, but we are stuck out in the stix here, so am not
sure if it has been successful? How can I check.
Jonathan
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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>
> Dear Listers,
>
> The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this
> year is currently lagging behind last year by approximately 38%! I'm
> hoping that everyone is just waiting until the last minute to show their
> support... ;-)
>
> Please remember that its solely your direct Contributions that keep these
> Lists up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't
> want to support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding
> advertisements to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really*
> don't want to have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial
> atmosphere here and I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
>
> Won't you please take a moment to make a contribution today in support of
> the continued ad-free operation of all these Lists?
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have
> already made their generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Administrator
>
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> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
For what it's worth, having 30 years and I'm not sure how many hundreds of
hrs of tailwheel time.......
I find that i fly my XL (with the tailwheel at the wrong end)
the same as i would my Aeronca Champ and as long as i do not rotate or flare
at tooo high of an angle of attack , it handles absolutey beautifull on both
movements.
Keeping the weight off the nose wheel at all times as much as possible.
At no time what so ever do i allow the full weight of the nose of the air
craft to be pounding away on the nose wheel
(by the way, i fly out of a farmers field)(I'm the farmer)
No slamming or banging down of the nose wheel as some have mentioned...
If i may add that when first getting the feel of this bird i was cutting
groovves in my grass strip with my tiedown ring under the tail on both
ontake off and landing, but you get the feel of it very quickly after
reomving a few tuffs of sod after landing...
Just dont rotate or flare quite so steep.......
With the 135 hp Lyc. there is a lot of torque or P factor comes into play
when appling full power on take off roll, but subsides quite quickly once a
climb has been astablished.
for what its worth i find it a very docile plane to both take off and
land.......
What i/we dont particularly care for about the aircraft to be totally honest
????????
2 things
1 - I wish it had a higher canopy for 6"2 & people
2 - We as a family (self included) do not particular enjoy the extremely
choppy ride we get when flying in any type of gusty/windy conditions...(we
dont do ferris wheels well either)
All in all it flew very well rite from day one as assembled from the box
according to the manufacturers instruction.
dave kubassek
CF-DSF XL 0235 Lyc
(For Sale,2 other projects on the go)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: taildragger
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
>
> Anyone have the zodiac xl with the tail dragger conversion? How does the
a/c behave for a person with no tail wheel time? Thanks
> Michael H
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Corvair Discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Being quite dissatisfied with the performance of my
engine, I followed the discussions about the Corvair
with great interest.
I went to my machine shop this week for a new cam
grind for my Subaru engine. When I asked the guy at
the shop what he thinks of Corvairs, he said: "these
engines were pieces of junk in cars.... I don't expect
to be better in planes!". He laughed when I asked him
if he would take a ride with my on my plane using the
Covair.
Well.... today, who can we believe? It seems that the
only way to be quite certain of what we have is to put
the $$ on an aircraft engine.
Michel
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
OK, it's too early in the morning, what is BRS? I probably know, just don't
know I know, you know. I may even have two or three of them.
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
>
> First post to list,
>
> Anyone operating CH701 with BRS, what model of BRS? installation ideas
etc.
>
> Thanks
> R. Skinner
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
With my Lyc 0235 I am curranly using 11.5 deg pitch to get me out of my
short/soft farm strip quickly...
I know i am loosing on my top end but after flying a champ for 30 years
anything seems fast, i still cruise about 118-120 mph
dave
CF-DSF
XL - 0235 Lyc
----- Original Message -----
From: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Prop Pitch
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
>
> Happy Thanksgiving List
>
> I have a 601HD with a 70" warp drive prop. I'm doing my run ups and was
> wondering what other people were using for prop pitch and setting for
static
> rpms for best all around performance. Warp says to measure pitch at the
> tips.
>
> Thanks
> John
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Larry, just about sunset here ! Is'nt it "ballistic rescue system"? some sort of
paraschute you can fire when things go really wrong, Brings you down plane an
all.
Dont know why onyone wants to put this on a 701 though, you can land almost anywhere.
Dirk
701.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
OK, it's too early in the morning, what is BRS? I probably know, just don't
know I know, you know. I may even have two or three of them.
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
>
> First post to list,
>
> Anyone operating CH701 with BRS, what model of BRS? installation ideas
etc.
>
> Thanks
> R. Skinner
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair Discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
The stock 8409 crank remains the same in mid to late models.
The pistons most converters will recommend are forged, not cast stock.
This is an extra layer of protection from detonation.
Martin Bima
STOL-Vair
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Corvair Discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ozarkseller2@aol.com
In a message dated 11/26/2004 7:36:50 AM Central Standard Time,
mtherr@yahoo.com writes:
> I went to my machine shop this week for a new cam
> grind for my Subaru engine. When I asked the guy at
> the shop what he thinks of Corvairs, he said: "these
> engines were pieces of junk in cars.... I don't expect
> to be better in planes!". He laughed when I asked him
> if he would take a ride with my on my plane using the
> Covair.
What's the age if this machinist guy?
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Corvair Discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
I would say around 60-65 years old... but I'm not the
best one to estimate a person's age. He's been
rebuilding engines for all his career.
--- Ozarkseller2@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> Ozarkseller2@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2004 7:36:50 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> mtherr@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I went to my machine shop this week for a new cam
> > grind for my Subaru engine. When I asked the guy
> at
> > the shop what he thinks of Corvairs, he said:
> "these
> > engines were pieces of junk in cars.... I don't
> expect
> > to be better in planes!". He laughed when I asked
> him
> > if he would take a ride with my on my plane using
> the
> > Covair.
>
> What's the age if this machinist guy?
>
=====
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | corvair discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
The stock Corvair crank is forged steel, which figures into its suitability for
conversion.
Steve Mineart
601XL, wings &tail complete, fuse 3/4, 'vair parts collected
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Ballistic Recovery System - See December issue of Flying magazine for an interesting
article.
Carlos
do not archive
--- Larry Martin <lrm@isp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> OK, it's too early in the morning, what is BRS? I probably know, just don't
> know I know, you know. I may even have two or three of them.
>
> Larry N1345L
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello list members.
regarding a BRS chute in a Z 701, see Ruth's and Fredy's homepage in
Switzerland
http://www.zenair.buz.ch/
regards,
Johann G.
Iceland
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| Subject: | Re:BRS/GRS ballistic system in 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello again.
Sorry for the minor mistake in the manufacturer of Fredy's Ballistic
chute. It is from GRS, not BRS. Very simular recovery systems. Should be
the same end resault if needed.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Tinting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Use only Plexiglas (PMMA) for airplanes. Polycarb (PC - tradenames Macrolon,
Lexan, etc.) have a few disadvantages such as un-breakable (in case of
emergencies), not resistent to fuel, etc.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Carter" <howado@cwia.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy Tinting
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
> To the Zenith list wanting to tint canopies:
>
> Lexan is a polycarbonate that blocks all UVB and most of UVA light. If
> you're concerned about sunburn the canopy will prevent it. However,
> make sure it is Lexan, not acrylic, because acrylic is not a good
> filter for ultraviolet light in the A and B bands.
>
> Howard Carter
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Frank,
this is a different behaviour than with my HDS 601. I can keep the nose
wheel up for some time. Also, I can taxi (high speed) with the nose wheel of
the ground.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: <EMAproducts@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Landing
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
>
> Frank wrote the following and someone said must be a Chris Heinz feature
>
> Is anyone else having trouble gently setting the nose gear down on
landing?
> It seems that no matter how hard I try and no matter how gently the main
gear
> comes down, the nose just wants to come down right away and there's no way
to
> let it down nicely. I'm assuming this is a feature.
> ****
> Many Many aircraft, due to the location of the landing gear, at a forward
CG
> the nose wheel will "drop like a rock" unless you are well above stall
speed
> on landing, immediately I think of basically all the Cherokee and
Comanche
> series with just the pilot in them and fuel at the most adverse condition.
The
> "long" Cessna's also have this trait, the 206 & 207 that I've flown if I
> recall correctly from 25+ years ago.
> Elbie
> RiteAngle ~The "Stand Alone AOA System" for Your Safety
> EM aviation, LLC
> Elbie Mendenhall, www.riteangle.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 idle speed |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi John,
same with my 912. With the new flight-adjustable propeller I can get it down
to 1800, but the idle RPM with the fixed pitch prop was always around 2000
to 2200. I tried a couple of things to no avail and then left it alone.
Airplane and engine are both sine 3 years now.
Later
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 912 idle speed
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi List
> I'm doing my engine run up and I've hit a snag so I ask for your help. I
can't get my idle speed lower than 2200 rpms. I have the idle stops backed
of so the arms are not making contact. Right now my rpms run from 2200 to
5600 static rpms. I know the prop has to be pitched to bring the high end
down to 5300-5400 static but would this also slow down the idle speed? I
took the motor and prop off a ground looped kitfox that had only 1 airfilter
with 2 hose going from the air/carb heat box. I am using 2 airfilters so I
assume I am getting much better performance with more air. Does anyone have
any ideas about how to lower the idle rpms? What idle speed are you using? I
know Rotax is recommending 1600 but that seems a little high and might
contribute to a long float on landing. The idle speed problem is the last
issue I need to work out before calling for my inspection.
> Thanks in advance
> John 601HD almost there
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Windscreen Rubber Channel |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
I've searched the archives and found nothing on this.
Pictures of many builders completed 701 aircraft I've looked at have installed
a thick rubber channel on the leading edge of the preformed windshield. This channel
looks to be almost 2 inches thick. It is a U channel that attaches to the
windshield and a part that lays snuggly on top of the metal skin. It makes
the installation very neat and it really looks terrific. I try to depict the cross
section of it below with x's.
xxxxxxx
Windshield here xxxxxxxx
xxxxxxx \
This part lays on top skin.
The Czech aircraft 701s all have this installed on them.
I ordered somthing that looked like the profile from Wag-Aero but it was too small
and not as rugged as what I see on these birds. Can anyone who has installed
this or know what I'm talking about steer me in the correct direction to a
source and where I can get it and possibly a part number.
Thanks
Brian Unruh
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/
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| Subject: | RE: Corvair Discussion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> Well.... today, who can we believe? It seems that the
> only way to be quite certain of what we have is to put
> the $$ on an aircraft engine.
Michel,
Even then you don't know for certain what you have. Just ask those Lycoming
and Continental owners who are forced to comply with expensive AD's on their
certified engines. And even then, they are known to fail catastrophically on
occasion.
As for that mechanic, I'd just about bet money his comment was based on
*one* experience with a Corvair engine. People who make statements like that
are guilty of what I call "cat logic". You know, it goes something like
this:
"I have a cat. My cat is black. Therefore, ALL cats are black." :
)
GM made *millions* of the Corvair engines, and for the most part their
reputation for reliability in the car was as good as any engine of that era.
When rebuilt and operated per William Wynne's conversion manual, the
"aircraft version" of the Corvair engine is operating at a power output
level less than its rated capacity in the automobile (unusual for an auto
conversion), and is proving to be a reliable powerplant.
IMO, the biggest obstacle the Corvair engine has to overcome is not
technical in nature. Rather, it is the tainted reputation it received as a
result of the ridiculous lawsuits brought against the car by Ralph Nader in
the 60's.
Regards,
Chris Boultinghouse
Austin, TX
Sonex N260SX (reserved)
http://sonex260.wheelsup.org
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| Subject: | 701 Top lexan installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
The top tinted lexan window that came with my kit is much thicker than the clear
lexan for the side windows.
I cut the thin stuff by scoring it with a utility blade and then bending over the
corner of my bench to break it off.
Will this work for cutting the thick stuff ?
Will I need the special drill bits for lexan or are they only necessary for plexiglass.
Also, the assembly manual shows pics with that top lexan screwed in and the plans
specify a4 rivets. Any input on which ones to use?
Thank you for all advice.
Brian Unruh
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "john H" <professor71@hotmail.com>
I forgot to say that I have a 912ul on my 601HD when asking about prop
pitch. Thanks to all who have responded and for all those who continue to
give advice. This is a great list
John
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
1 Suggest rebuild canopy or slouch.
2 Bouncing is a direct function of wing loading pounds/square foot. Higher
wing loading = cement runway ! The only other choice is climb higher where
the air is usually smoother. The LARGE PRINT GIVEITH and the small print
sticketh a wire brush up thy nose.(Fundamental engineering LAW, just like
MURPHY'S LAW)
Happy Landings
Leo HDS TD
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: taildragger
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> For what it's worth, having 30 years and I'm not sure how many hundreds of
> hrs of tailwheel time.......
> I find that i fly my XL (with the tailwheel at the wrong end)
> the same as i would my Aeronca Champ and as long as i do not rotate or
flare
> at tooo high of an angle of attack , it handles absolutey beautifull on
both
> movements.
> Keeping the weight off the nose wheel at all times as much as possible.
> At no time what so ever do i allow the full weight of the nose of the air
> craft to be pounding away on the nose wheel
> (by the way, i fly out of a farmers field)(I'm the farmer)
> No slamming or banging down of the nose wheel as some have mentioned...
> If i may add that when first getting the feel of this bird i was cutting
> groovves in my grass strip with my tiedown ring under the tail on both
> ontake off and landing, but you get the feel of it very quickly after
> reomving a few tuffs of sod after landing...
> Just dont rotate or flare quite so steep.......
> With the 135 hp Lyc. there is a lot of torque or P factor comes into play
> when appling full power on take off roll, but subsides quite quickly once
a
> climb has been astablished.
> for what its worth i find it a very docile plane to both take off and
> land.......
> What i/we dont particularly care for about the aircraft to be totally
honest
> ????????
> 2 things
> 1 - I wish it had a higher canopy for 6"2 & people
> 2 - We as a family (self included) do not particular enjoy the extremely
> choppy ride we get when flying in any type of gusty/windy conditions...(we
> dont do ferris wheels well either)
> All in all it flew very well rite from day one as assembled from the box
> according to the manufacturers instruction.
> dave kubassek
> CF-DSF XL 0235 Lyc
> (For Sale,2 other projects on the go)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: taildragger
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike H" <mhilderbrand@cox.net>
> >
> > Anyone have the zodiac xl with the tail dragger conversion? How does the
> a/c behave for a person with no tail wheel time? Thanks
> > Michael H
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Try Aircraft Spruce "Rubber channel, #4 05-01500". It worked for me.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message -----
Possible porn - Hot, Nasty, Wild, Young
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
>
> I've searched the archives and found nothing on this.
> Pictures of many builders completed 701 aircraft I've looked at have
installed a thick rubber channel on the leading edge of the preformed
windshield. This channel looks to be almost 2 inches thick. It is a U
channel that attaches to the windshield and a part that lays snuggly on top
of the metal skin. It makes the installation very neat and it really looks
terrific. I try to depict the cross section of it below with x's.
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| Subject: | 701 Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
Guys,
What am I doing wrong?
I was having such a great day..everything on the right wing was going so great
then WHAMMO! Brick wall time!
I attached the nose skin to the bottom spar cap and ribs as instructed but when
I go to form it into the leading edge, I come up about 5-8mm shy if my needed
rivet line on the top side spar cap. I have used inch boards under my straps.
I have stood on my head. I've had the skin off then on ...*&$%# I've lost
it!
I only have four straps however, so tomorrow I'll make sure I have a strap for
every rib and give it all another shot.
Any suggestions??
Thanks in advance...
Rick
Orlando, FL
http://www.geocities.com/n701rr/index.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
The 701 uses 5/16-24 threaded rod for the steering rods. Where does one
find this elusive fine pitch threaded rod? Not my neighborhood hardware
store,Grainger, or Aircraft Spruce. Tried to thread a 5/16 rod, but that die is
kickin' my butt.Maybee
'cause I'm using a wrench to turn it,instead of the proper handle? (It will
not go on
perpendicular to the rod) Any sugestions? do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing Nose Skin |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick <n701rr@yahoo.com>
>
> What am I doing wrong?
> I attached the nose skin to the bottom spar cap and ribs as instructed but
> when I go to form it into the leading edge, I come up about 5-8mm shy if
> my needed rivet line on the top side spar cap. I have used inch boards
> under my straps.
> Any suggestions??
Rick,
First, make sure the wing skeleton is flat, without twist & secured to
the bench before bending nose skin around. There should be a strap at each
rib station. The nose skin should be snug up against the leading edge of the
nose ribs. Look through the openings at the ends of the wings to check.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status: Stalled
Completed: Rudder, Left wing, Right wing.
Flaperons 50%
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| Subject: | vents cut into canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Has anyone cut any type of vent into the side of the canopy on a 601? I would like
to leave as much knee room under my panel as possible and was thinking it
might be possible to mount a vent directly on the side of the canopy. Not sure
if it could handle that size hole cutting or the possible flexing when opening
the canopy without cracking. Thanks in advance. Jack in Clovis CA
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| Subject: | Re: steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
You're right, of course, use the proper dual handle tool
and threading fluid and you shouldn't have a problem.
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Flydog1966@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: steering rods
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
>
> The 701 uses 5/16-24 threaded rod for the steering rods. Where does one
> find this elusive fine pitch threaded rod? Not my neighborhood hardware
> store,Grainger, or Aircraft Spruce. Tried to thread a 5/16 rod, but that
> die is
> kickin' my butt.Maybee
> 'cause I'm using a wrench to turn it,instead of the proper handle? (It
> will
> not go on
> perpendicular to the rod) Any sugestions? do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vents cut into canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Jack, I cut one for the pop put vent and it is working fine. Cleone
At 03:22 PM 11/26/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Has anyone cut any type of vent into the side of the canopy on a 601? I
>would like to leave as much knee room under my panel as possible and was
>thinking it might be possible to mount a vent directly on the side of the
>canopy. Not sure if it could handle that size hole cutting or the possible
>flexing when opening the canopy without cracking. Thanks in advance. Jack
>in Clovis CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vents cut into canopy? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Jack,
I'd not recommend cutting a vent in the canopy because it upsets the balance
of stresses
during thermal changes and you're going to open and close the canopy a lot
of times.
I did a NACA vent forward of the instrument panel and brought the air back
in a duct
that connected with a dual louvered and swivel vent out of the junk yard.
See my site at
the Large Assembly fuselage to center section, bottom two rows at
www.macsmachine.com.
The vent is tight to the sides and delivers a lot of directable air in the
summer and is closed in winter.
Cheap and easy to maintain.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Subject: Zenith-List: vents cut into canopy?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Has anyone cut any type of vent into the side of the canopy on a 601? I
> would like to leave as much knee room under my panel as possible and was
> thinking it might be possible to mount a vent directly on the side of the
> canopy. Not sure if it could handle that size hole cutting or the possible
> flexing when opening the canopy without cracking. Thanks in advance. Jack
> in Clovis CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> The 701 uses 5/16-24 threaded rod for the steering rods. Where does one
> find this elusive fine pitch threaded rod?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Here is a link to my employers web site. As you can see we offer the 5/16-24
fine pitch threaded rods.
These rods can be purchased at your local True Value, or Ace hardware
stores.
Kelly Meiste
601 HD
http://natman.com/prodinfo_itemdetail.asp?cat=5&sub=90&prod=458&catalog=1039&item=2682
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Top lexan installation |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I use an air die grinder/cut off tool. Lexan is a lot easier to work with
than Plexiglas, it's not near as brittle. I have a write up on my site that
might interest you. Check it out. www.angelfire.com/un/ch701. Larry
N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: <RURUNY@aol.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Top lexan installation
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
>
> The top tinted lexan window that came with my kit is much thicker than the
clear lexan for the side windows.
> I cut the thin stuff by scoring it with a utility blade and then bending
over the corner of my bench to break it off.
> Will this work for cutting the thick stuff ?
> Will I need the special drill bits for lexan or are they only necessary
for plexiglass.
> Also, the assembly manual shows pics with that top lexan screwed in and
the plans specify a4 rivets. Any input on which ones to use?
>
> Thank you for all advice.
>
> Brian Unruh
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Check www.mcmasters.com, they have all kinds of rubber channel. That's were
I got mine. Larry N1345L
nal Message -----
Possible porn - Hot, Nasty, Wild, Young
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
>
> I've searched the archives and found nothing on this.
> Pictures of many builders completed 701 aircraft I've looked at have
installed a thick rubber channel on the leading edge of the preformed
windshield. This channel looks to be almost 2 inches thick. It is a U
channel that attaches to the windshield and a part that lays snuggly on top
of the metal skin. It makes the installation very neat and it really looks
terrific. I try to depict the cross section of it below with x's.
>
> xxxxxxx
> Windshield here xxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxx \
> This part lays on top skin.
>
> The Czech aircraft 701s all have this installed on them.
> I ordered somthing that looked like the profile from Wag-Aero but it was
too small and not as rugged as what I see on these birds. Can anyone who has
installed this or know what I'm talking about steer me in the correct
direction to a source and where I can get it and possibly a part number.
>
> Thanks
> Brian Unruh
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/bunruh/
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I went there three times and still didn't see anything about a BRS, point me
please, I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. Larry N1345L
Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: BRS in 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Hello list members.
> regarding a BRS chute in a Z 701, see Ruth's and Fredy's homepage in
> Switzerland
> http://www.zenair.buz.ch/
>
> regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Now that I know what one is, I guess a "BRS" wasn't in my things to consider
for a 701, therefore "BRS" didn't register with me. I think you could land
slower in 701 without a "BRS" and have some sort of control, than you could
with a "BRS" and have zero control. Larry N1345L
I fire when things go really wrong, Brings you down plane an all.
> Dont know why onyone wants to put this on a 701 though, you can land
almost anywhere.
> Dirk
> 701.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Martin
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> OK, it's too early in the morning, what is BRS? I probably know, just
don't
> know I know, you know. I may even have two or three of them.
>
> Larry N1345L
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner"
<roma@airmail.net>
> >
> > First post to list,
> >
> > Anyone operating CH701 with BRS, what model of BRS? installation ideas
> etc.
> >
> > Thanks
> > R. Skinner
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Spotlight on Chris Heintz in KITPLANES! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Notice to all Zen builders....
There is a wonderful spread in Kitplanes that just arrived.... Designer spotlight
on Chris Heintz... lots of photos, history, and details..
After reading that... I was about to put the mag down... when lo and behold...
there was the followup article from our own Scott Laughlin (601 scratch man) on
gas welding part II, including a photo of Scott himself.... in dark glasses...
Have to keep this issue... the rest can go...
Jon
www.CH701.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Mike Sinclair <mike.sinclair@att.net>
Why would you want to buy life insurance?
So Dirk, when things "go really wrong" are you going to guarantee that your aircraft
is still controllable enough to land? Can you guarantee that you will never
have a
catastrophic failure of any kind? Never have a midair? Never have an engine failure
over inhospitable terrain? I haven't seen a ladder tall enough to get down
from
there.
Now to answer Roma's question, if installing a BRS you would want to go with at
least the BRS 1200 model, it's rated up to 1200 lbs. and up to 145 mph. Don't
cut
corners on price by going to a lesser rated system. If needed, you may not have
enough with a smaller chute. Also I took a look at the link Johann sent of the
Swiss
701. One thing I seen that I didn't care for was a BRS located that far aft, especially
in an extended baggage compartment. You are looking at least 30-35 lbs
for the
system. Looks like a surefire recipe to me for a tail heavy aircraft. For what
it's worth, I've got my BRS mounted in the very forward / center of my baggage
compartment and on a worst case weight and balance, I am still 2 inches ahead of
the aft CG limit. I had someone ask me once if the reason I installed a BRS
was if I
didn't trust my piloting abilities or the aircraft. I told him it was neither,
what I didn't trust was some of those other people in my airspace. Just glad a
lot of
those drivers out there don't have pilot licenses. Whatever, it's an investment
that gives you quite a bit of peace of mind. I was bullet proof when I was 20,
it don't
heal as quickly now! Although if you are dead it don't matter.
Dirk Slabbert wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Larry, just about sunset here ! Is'nt it "ballistic rescue system"? some sort
of paraschute you can fire when things go really wrong, Brings you down plane
an all.
> Dont know why onyone wants to put this on a 701 though, you can land almost anywhere.
> Dirk
> 701.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Martin
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> OK, it's too early in the morning, what is BRS? I probably know, just don't
> know I know, you know. I may even have two or three of them.
>
> Larry N1345L
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
> >
> > First post to list,
> >
> > Anyone operating CH701 with BRS, what model of BRS? installation ideas
> etc.
> >
> > Thanks
> > R. Skinner
> >
> >
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
What happens if you lose a wing or the elevator? There certainly is a
place for an All-Airplane chute of the type BRS and GRS produce, when
there is no possibility for a controlled landing.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Now that I know what one is, I guess a "BRS" wasn't in my things to
consider
for a 701, therefore "BRS" didn't register with me. I think you could
land
slower in 701 without a "BRS" and have some sort of control, than you
could
with a "BRS" and have zero control. Larry N1345L
I fire when things go really wrong, Brings you down plane an all.
> Dont know why onyone wants to put this on a 701 though, you can land
almost anywhere.
> Dirk
> 701.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Martin
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> OK, it's too early in the morning, what is BRS? I probably know,
just
don't
> know I know, you know. I may even have two or three of them.
>
> Larry N1345L
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 BRS
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner"
<roma@airmail.net>
> >
> > First post to list,
> >
> > Anyone operating CH701 with BRS, what model of BRS? installation
ideas
> etc.
> >
> > Thanks
> > R. Skinner
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Second thing... accept to go slowly. You turn the
handle 1/2 to 1-1/2 turns and you back of, clean the
die (blow) and continue. Sometimes, you can do a lot
more at a time. But never force the die.
Michel (not a machinist, but I broke enough dies and
taps to start figuring out how to work with them ---
the cheap Canadian Tire ties and taps).
--- Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland"
> <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
> You're right, of course, use the proper dual handle
> tool
> and threading fluid and you shouldn't have a
> problem.
> Larry
> Do not archive
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Flydog1966@aol.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: steering rods
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> Flydog1966@aol.com
> >
> > The 701 uses 5/16-24 threaded rod for the
> steering rods. Where does one
> > find this elusive fine pitch threaded rod? Not my
> neighborhood hardware
> > store,Grainger, or Aircraft Spruce. Tried to
> thread a 5/16 rod, but that
> > die is
> > kickin' my butt.Maybee
> > 'cause I'm using a wrench to turn it,instead of
> the proper handle? (It
> > will
> > not go on
> > perpendicular to the rod) Any sugestions? do not
> archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Cut the head off a fine thread bolt and weld the threads to a plain
rod.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
>
> The 701 uses 5/16-24 threaded rod for the steering rods. Where
does one
> find this elusive fine pitch threaded rod? Not my neighborhood
hardware
> store,Grainger, or Aircraft Spruce. Tried to thread a 5/16 rod, but
that die is
> kickin' my butt.Maybee
> 'cause I'm using a wrench to turn it,instead of the proper handle?
(It will
> not go on
> perpendicular to the rod) Any sugestions? do not archive
>
>
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Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | Re: steering rods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
Cut the head off a fine thread bolt and weld the threads to a plain
rod.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
>
> The 701 uses 5/16-24 threaded rod for the steering rods. Where
does one
> find this elusive fine pitch threaded rod? Not my neighborhood
hardware
> store,Grainger, or Aircraft Spruce. Tried to thread a 5/16 rod, but
that die is
> kickin' my butt.Maybee
> 'cause I'm using a wrench to turn it,instead of the proper handle?
(It will
> not go on
> perpendicular to the rod) Any sugestions? do not archive
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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