Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:06 AM - Oh So Many Great Comments... (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:20 AM - Paint over Cortec or Zinc Chromate (Bob Miller)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab question (Dave Kubassek)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK) (Larry Martin)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: Paint over Cortec or Zinc Chromate (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Subaru ICM failure? and ignition performance (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 08:19 AM - Rotax price increase (Jake Reyna)
8. 08:26 AM - Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
9. 09:16 AM - Re: Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection (Jon Croke)
10. 09:19 AM - New 601XL e-mail list (Patrick Panzera)
11. 09:38 AM - Re: Rotax price increase (Jon Croke)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: Axles/701 (Leo J. Corbalis)
13. 09:51 AM - Re: Wheel Forks, Corrosion (Kent Brown)
14. 12:12 PM - Re: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK) (Larry McFarland)
15. 12:17 PM - Re: Axles/701 (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
16. 02:34 PM - CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit (Wayne Tilley)
17. 02:42 PM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Todd Osborne)
18. 03:03 PM - Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
19. 03:26 PM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (sportypilot@stx.rr.com)
20. 04:15 PM - Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
21. 04:25 PM - Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit (Boss)
22. 04:39 PM - Re: Skyshops (george may)
23. 04:45 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection (Frank Jones)
24. 05:06 PM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Bill Cardell)
25. 05:32 PM - Zenith Parts Quality (Howard Carter)
26. 05:40 PM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Jake Reyna)
27. 06:46 PM - Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit (Larry Martin)
28. 08:57 PM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Todd Osborne)
29. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: New 601XL e-mail list (kevinbonds@comcast.net)
30. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: New 601XL e-mail list (kevinbonds@comcast.net)
31. 10:02 PM - Re: 701 BRS (Tebenkof@aol.com)
32. 11:20 PM - Re: Re: New 601XL e-mail list (xl)
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| Subject: | Oh So Many Great Comments... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
As I write this its still November 30th so technically the List Fund Raiser
is still underway! :-) I've gotten so many nice comments from Listers in
the last couple of days along with their Contributions that I just had to
share them with the Lists. Guys, I really appreciate the kind words and
great support that has come in the last few days.
If you've been meaning to support your Lists this month but have just been
putting it off until the last absolute minute, now's a perfect time to make
that Contribution!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
A special thank you to everyone that has already shown their support. I'm
compiling the List of Contributors and will post it in a couple days. In
the meantime, please read over some of the nice things people have been
saying about the List along with their Contribution...
Thank you!!!
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
-------------- A Ton More Nice Comments ----------------
The number of times I've used the list (especially the
archives) to answer a question I have definitely makes my
contribution worth it.
Jordan G.
This list sure paves the way to a smoother building process.
Tim B.
Really enjoy the list and look forward to it every day.
Darren F.
Love the list, great diversion at work...
Rich C.
The [List] community much appreciates your well run list server.
Donald K.
Good list.
Graham H.
...a wonderful service!
Jon C.
I should be building when I'm reading the list but I have
to keep up with what's going on.
Jerry I.
...fills in the gap between building and flying.
Jerry B.
It's how I start my day.
Randy R.
Keep up the this GREAT resource.
Tom H.
Keeps me in the loop while my airplane is down for a while.
Tim G.
wonderful service...
Andrew J.
...an indispensable tool in building my airplane.
Mark K.
...such a great service.
Rex S.
I'm hooked.
Jerry I.
[The List] makes building a lot easier and more fun!
Eugene H.
Great list!
Sam P.
Its nice to be ad free...
Terry S.
Its an excellent list.
Jim G.
What a tremendous resource...
Bob C.
A great help and an excellent service.
Darren F.
Great service...
Patrick F.
I am an information junkie, and the list gives me my fix every day!
Mark S.
Much useful information is exchanged.
Graham H.
An exceptional resource...
Neal G.
This list is a valuable tool for me.
Grant F.
...such a valuable resource.
Kevin B.
Really enjoy the List...
Michael W.
...such a great tool!
John L.
I have been done building my plane for three years now. I still
get valuable information from this List.
Don N.
Better than the soaps at times!
Jerry I.
Thanks for a huge archive of information.
Paul D.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Paint over Cortec or Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Anybody know if you can paint over surfaces coated with Cortec or Zinc
Chromate, and if so what kind of paint would work? This is for inside the
cockpit.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
I have never had occasion that i needed to have the elavator trim in an
upward or above nuetral position.
Only ever in down positions to some degree or other...
Maybe if the heavy flap motor and gear assembly was centered or shifted over
to the right side some of this left wing heavy syndrome would be
eleviated?????
dave kubassek
C-FDSF XL 0235
I know various ones have asked as to wether or not to install the OPTIONAL
aileron trim..........
Believe me it is not an option you will ever regret installing...
Rather you will kick yourself for not installing.......
----- Original Message -----
From: "xl" <xl@prosody.org>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aileron trim tab question
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
>
>
> I have an XL but my experience should be apt for an HD also.
>
> When I have a passenger my size or smaller and balanced fuel tanks my
> aileron trim is close to neutral. When I fly alone I usually do pick
> up the left wing with trim. Sometimes the trim tab is down on the left
> aileron - big passenger and more fuel on the right side.
>
> My trim tab moves the same distance each direction.
> I think that it is best to center it - symmetry you know.....
>
> I had a heavy left wing. I fixed it by squeezing the right wing trailing
> edge. Because this minor change had such an impact I think that it would
> be hard to have an airplane that was in perfect trim the first time it
> flew. I effectively countered the heavy left wing, on that first flight,
> by using right aileron. I didn't think about using rudder, if I did I
> would have.
>
> Joe E
>
> N633Z a CH601XL @ BFI
> 140 hours
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Trevor Page wrote:
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>> I just received my electric trim tab kit for my HD today from ZAC and
>> proceeded to install it. Everything went fine and now I'm in the
>> process of setting the travel and deflection. I installed the trim tab
>> on my right wing since I think it will be move effective to counter the
>> "heavy" left wing while being flown solo (better leverage). So my
>> question is, right now the trim motor at the back travel limit has the
>> trim tab in a neutral position in line with the bottom of the aileron
>> (meaning no affect on aileron dynamics). At full travel I get a fair
>> bit of trim deflection in the down position which is correct to move
>> the aileron up and push the right wing down. How important is it that
>> I get some "up" deflection of the trim tab to push the aileron down and
>> the right wing up? Anyone have occasion for the left wing being down a
>> slight bit?
>> ...snip ...snip
>> Trevor Page
>> 601HD 98% complete.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I know nothing about a XL or 601, but please explain how to revise the
front fork to make the bungee tighter. The only way I know to easily make
the bungee tighter is to make taller "V" notch pieces on the lower bracket.
Unless he is suggesting making spacers between the fork and tube to lengthen
the overall gear, which I don't see how that will tighten the bungee. It
will just make for a taller front end. Please enlighten me. Thanks, Larry
N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> I visited the ZAC factory yesterday and talked to Nicholas about this very
> thing.
>
> I mentioned to him that I had already made the firewall and missed the
> drawing change. Nicholas told me to just revise the fork so the bungee is
> tighter.
>
> On the DEMO XL, they added sleeves to take up the slack.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint over Cortec or Zinc Chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello bob.
Yes, you can paint over a Zinc Cromate primer. That is the main purpose of
the primer, to get adhesion for the paint to the aluminum, and corrosion
protection.
Just clean it with the appropriate degreaser for the paint you will use
and it will work great. I used the DuPont Imron 700 line for inside my
cockpit and will also use that paint for the hole plane.
Best wishes,
Johann G
Iceland.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
> <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Anybody know if you can paint over surfaces coated with Cortec or Zinc
> Chromate, and if so what kind of paint would work? This is for inside the
> cockpit.
> Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | Subaru ICM failure? and ignition performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Cool...but don't you want two weld on bungs and 2 blanking plugs?
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Therrien
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru ICM failure? and ignition performance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
thanks... part no changed. I am placing an order for
the following:
sum-g2986 DIGITAL AIR/FUEL 2 1/16 $27.95
SUM-G2989 O2 SENSOR SENDER $29.95
SUM-G2990 O2 SENSOR BUNG WELD IN 18MM1.5 $4.99
Michel
do not archive
--- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> The part number is ITC-TH7009 and the price is only
> $29.95! That sure
> beats the $150 kits that Summit also offers. You
> will have to also buy
> an O2 sensor, but you can pick up a single-wire O2
> sensor at any auto
> parts store. I bought a Bosch universal O2 sensor,
> part number #11025,
> cost $46. So, you can make your own exhaust-gas
> analyser for $76!! Costs
> do vary for the O2 sensor; if you have a friendly
> parts place you can
> ask them for the cheapest unit.
>
>
> Some blub of another website talking about this
> guage
>
> Frank
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Michel
> Therrien
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru ICM failure? and
> ignition performance
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> <mtherr@yahoo.com>
>
> I tried to find this Summit meter for $30...
> could'nt... can you provide the part number?
> Thanks!
>
> Michel
> do not archive
>
> --- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> > George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> >
> > The narrow band unit...Summit racing is $30 and
> the
> > universal sensor is
> > also $30 approx. The bushings which are welded on
> > the pipe I got from an
> > exhaust speed shop garage for $6 each.
> >
> > If you are setting up a twin carb you want just
> one
> > in the
> > downpipe...set the carb and remove the sensor and
> > repeat.
> >
> > You really don't need to leave it in there as
> > blanking plugs are readily
> > available (mine were free). Besides, eventually
> > you'll have to fill up
> > with 100LL which doesn't do the O2 sensors much
> > good.
> >
> > I found this setup accurate enough for setting the
> > carbs.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bill
> > Cardell
> > To: 'zenith-list@matronics.com'
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru ICM failure? and
> > ignition performance
> >
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell
> > <bill@flyinmiata.com>
> >
> > The sensors themselves aren't that expensive,
> maybe
> > $90. It's the
> > electronics, which could switch between two
> sensors.
> >
> > Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> > bill@flyinmiata.com
> > Flyin' Miata
> > 1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
> > 970-242-3800 (tech support)
> > http://flyinmiata.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michel Therrien [mailto:mtherr@yahoo.com]
> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Subaru ICM failure? and
> > ignition performance
> >
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien
> > <mtherr@yahoo.com>
> >
> > that's what I was thinking about (but at this
> price,
> > I'd use only one!)
> >
> > Michel
> > do not archive
> > --- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> > <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> > >
> > > How will you install the oxygen sensor in the ex
> > > pipe?
> > >
> > > I welded a bung on each downpipe.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > ----------------------------
> > Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> >
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> > http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> >
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> =====
> ----------------------------
> Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
> http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
> http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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| Subject: | Rotax price increase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
I've been expecting a price increase from Rotax and Jabiru due to the
current exchange rate. It's really inevitable considering the record low the
dollar has hit. Don't expect the administration to do anything to get the
dollar back up since a weak dollar is the only way they can figure to lower
our trade deficit. You don't have to believe me, ask Alan Greenspan.
Anyway, I talked to a Rotax dealer moments ago and they are expecting a 20%
increase after January 1, 2005. I would expect that Jabiru will have to do
the same thing, but I'll leave that to someone else to research. If you're
thinking about a Rotax it's time to be thinking of giving yourself an early
Christmas present. To heck with the kids and grandkids ;-)
Of course, this is a good time to buy American. Corvair, VW conversions,
Hog-Air ....
I've been good all year, will anyone consider giving me a 912S for
Christmas?
Jake
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by:
Hello list members.
I have a question to those who have the Rotax 912 reg/rec.
Did you connect the C and B+ together for the charging along with the
condensor 22.000 microph? and then directly to the battery?
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Z 701
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=johann&ID=18101&ID=18101&action=display
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Johann,
That sounds correct... there is a simple Rotax wiring diagram I drew at the
CH701 site: http://kolbpilot.com/ch701/jon_wiring.htm
Dont forget a fuse in there somewhere....
Glad to see you are getting close to done!
Jon
Green Bay (maybe cold as Iceland?)
701US
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Hello list members.
>
> I have a question to those who have the Rotax 912 reg/rec.
> Did you connect the C and B+ together for the charging along with the
> condensor 22.000 microph? and then directly to the battery?
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> Z 701
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=johann&ID=18101&ID=18101&action=display
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
I intend no disrespect by any means, and do not wish to cause any division among
the ranks, but there's a new 601XL e-mail list now available, which will
(obviously) be for the purposes of discussions limited to the 601XL.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CH601XL/
As a member of this list off and on for several months, I've observed that the
e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe 3-5 are
specific to the 601XL. Hopefully those of us whose time is limited, and
interests are focused on the 601XL, can have a resource for efficiently sharing
information.
We invite any and all who are interested to join.
I really don't know enough about the major and subtle differences within the 601
series line, and maybe the list should be open to any and all 601 conversations,
so if your interests are with the HD HDS and UL, please feel free to join and
participate.
Thank you.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax price increase |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Yes, I have been hearing the same thing... but I just sat down and
calculated how much 20% is of the current $13,000 Rotax 912S price...
Holy Smokes! A LOT of $$$
So I am considering making my deposit this year to get one before the price
increase. You may see me in a red suit at the corner with a bell and
bucket... but my bucket will be clearly marked: 'Rotax 912 Fund for the
poor'.
I am now becoming aware of how popular that Suzuki engine is for the 701...
I just posted ANOTHER set of pictures at www.CH701.com , this time from Ron
Dallmeyer who is very close to his first startup... his 5 pictures shows
complete details of his custom setup. We need to stay tuned! Nice job.
Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax price increase
> I've been expecting a price increase from Rotax and Jabiru due to the
> current exchange rate.
>
> Anyway, I talked to a Rotax dealer moments ago and they are expecting a
> 20%
> increase after January 1, 2005.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Think it through. Something has to give. The nosewheel stuff or the firewall
! When a spam can gets its nosewheel broken it usually crunches the
firewall.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: <JERICKSON03E@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Axles/701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:13:17 AM Central Standard Time,
lrm@isp.com
> writes:
> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> Remember the discussions about the hollow axles? To fix mine I pressed
solid
> rods about 2/3s thru from the back side.
> A guy I know had a 701 with a Cont 0-200 in it. It weighs about the same
as
> my Subaru 2.5. He sold it to some guys in Texas and they had a hard nose
> wheel landing and collapsed the landing gear. That's the only info I can
get, I
> want to know what bent or gave up, the landing gear tube or brackets.
Anyone
> have any info on this? Elmo (older guy who sold plane lost name and
number of
> buyer). I am thinking about beefing up my landing gear by pressing an
aluminum
> tube or another 4130 tube inside the 4130 tube. Constructive thoughts are
> very welcome.
>
> See Ya, Larry N1345L
>
> Couple of years ago I spoke with a 701 builder at Mexico, who had suffered
a
> hard NW landing. A 5/16 bolt for the NW axle broke. His idea of a fix for
> that was to replace the axle with a bolt all the way thru the NW bracket.
Bolt
> same dia as the axle.
>
> Wonder if anyone has experience or ideas for strengthening the nose
landing
> gear?
>
> One thing I have seen is the use of a steel plate, tow bar plate, under
the
> alum bracket assembly, and bolted to the strut bottom plate.
>
> Also, the use of six 1/4 in bolts to bolt the NW aluminum bracket assy to
the
> strut. That is, two additional bolts, added to the four shown in plans.
> Middle, front & rear.
>
> This looks like a useful area for discussion. Ideas please.
>
> Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Wheel Forks, Corrosion |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Thanks for all the responses. It's especially great when everyone just says
my problem is not really a problem, quit worrying, and build it!
Thanks to all!
Kent
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| Subject: | Re: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
If you put a spacer tube over the tube to increase the distance
the bungee has to go at the top, the gear should pull down nearer the stops
and bring the cap down too.
You should evaluate the condition of the bungees and lost elasticity first.
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> I know nothing about a XL or 601, but please explain how to revise the
> front fork to make the bungee tighter. The only way I know to easily make
> the bungee tighter is to make taller "V" notch pieces on the lower
> bracket.
> Unless he is suggesting making spacers between the fork and tube to
> lengthen
> the overall gear, which I don't see how that will tighten the bungee. It
> will just make for a taller front end. Please enlighten me. Thanks,
> Larry
> N1345L
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Help!!! (BUNGEE SLACK)
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>>
>> I visited the ZAC factory yesterday and talked to Nicholas about this
>> very
>> thing.
>>
>> I mentioned to him that I had already made the firewall and missed the
>> drawing change. Nicholas told me to just revise the fork so the bungee
>> is
>> tighter.
>>
>> On the DEMO XL, they added sleeves to take up the slack.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Scott Laughlin
>> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>>
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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FILETIME=[9BE4F270:01C4D7E2]
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Axles/701
From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" <Keith.Ashcraft@itt.com>
I have heard of some builders talking about putting in a CH801 nose gear, just
for those reasons. I don't know if they did or were just talking, but it is an
idea.
Keith
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Leo J. Corbalis
Cc:=09
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Axles/701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
Think it through. Something has to give. The nosewheel stuff or the firewall
! When a spam can gets its nosewheel broken it usually crunches the
firewall.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: <JERICKSON03E@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Axles/701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:13:17 AM Central Standard Time,
lrm@isp.com
> writes:
> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
>
> Remember the discussions about the hollow axles? To fix mine I pressed
solid
> rods about 2/3s thru from the back side.
> A guy I know had a 701 with a Cont 0-200 in it. It weighs about the same
as
> my Subaru 2.5. He sold it to some guys in Texas and they had a hard nose
> wheel landing and collapsed the landing gear. That's the only info I can
get, I
> want to know what bent or gave up, the landing gear tube or brackets.
Anyone
> have any info on this? Elmo (older guy who sold plane lost name and
number of
> buyer). I am thinking about beefing up my landing gear by pressing an
aluminum
> tube or another 4130 tube inside the 4130 tube. Constructive thoughts are
> very welcome.
>
> See Ya, Larry N1345L
>
> Couple of years ago I spoke with a 701 builder at Mexico, who had suffered
a
> hard NW landing. A 5/16 bolt for the NW axle broke. His idea of a fix for
> that was to replace the axle with a bolt all the way thru the NW bracket.
Bolt
> same dia as the axle.
>
> Wonder if anyone has experience or ideas for strengthening the nose
landing
> gear?
>
> One thing I have seen is the use of a steel plate, tow bar plate, under
the
> alum bracket assembly, and bolted to the strut bottom plate.
>
> Also, the use of six 1/4 in bolts to bolt the NW aluminum bracket assy to
the
> strut. That is, two additional bolts, added to the four shown in plans.
> Middle, front & rear.
>
> This looks like a useful area for discussion. Ideas please.
>
> Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Tilley" <wtilley@frontiernet.net>
Greetings All,
I've been ghosting on this list for a number of months now and am finally close
enough to making a purchase decision that I'd appreciate your opinions. I've
got the factory info. pack and new DVD, as well as taking a ride in their demonstrator
this past Summer.
1. Is the quality of the kit parts what you expect (i.e. all there and not in need
of any additional work)? I've read in some messages that the parts are somewhat
primitive in manufacture compared to those produced by some other kit makers
and especially as compared to the finish on the Czech Aircraft Works planes
available via Sky Shop.
2. With regard to assembling the kit, are the manual/instructions clear as to make
the process virtually obvious? Some posts to this list have implied a lack
of clarity from step-to-step. I'm not sure if this applies to the kit or just
those working from plans only.
3. Open to comments: Buy kit from Zenith or 100% airframe from Sky Shop and do
firewall-forward installation myself?
Thank you,
Wayne Tilley
South New Berlin, NY
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne " <todd@toddtown.com>
Interesting. That group was only created 3 days ago, has 1 posting and 26 members.
It is rather hard to be a member of something on and off for a few months
when it was only created last weekend.
Todd
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>I intend no disrespect by any means, and do not wish to cause any division among
>the ranks, but there's a new 601XL e-mail list now available, which will
>(obviously) be for the purposes of discussions limited to the 601XL.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CH601XL/
>
>As a member of this list off and on for several months, I've observed that the
>e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe 3-5 are
>specific to the 601XL. Hopefully those of us whose time is limited, and
>interests are focused on the 601XL, can have a resource for efficiently sharing
>information.
>
>We invite any and all who are interested to join.
>
>I really don't know enough about the major and subtle differences within the 601
>series line, and maybe the list should be open to any and all 601 conversations,
>so if your interests are with the HD HDS and UL, please feel free to join and
>participate.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Wayne and fellow listers:
I am build ing a 601 XL, I am a technician by training and I can read
blueprints. that being said, I find myself like a fish out of water when it comes
to sheet metal work...but I'm coming along like most novice kit builders. IF
you are somewhat mechanically-inclined...and possess more-than-typical
resourcefulness and inguinity, then building this kit will be so much fun you'll
wonder why you haven't done it sooner. Now, does the assembly guide show
every little detail...is is 1000% complete? No. But, for 95% of the questions
you have, the answer will be in the assembly guide or the prints..you just
might have to search for it.
I find myself looking at the prints and reading the assembly guide for the
section I am working on ( and the NEXT section) many times over before I pick
up a piece of aluminum. When in doubt...ASK ! There are so many experts
here willing to help you cannot blame lack of information as a reason for
disappointment.
If you are at all able to do so...go to the factory for the rudder workshop
and demo ride. You are doing yourself a disservice if you do not. If just
to get used to 'the right way" is reason enough to go.
To answer your questions: I am building from a kit and I find the
workmanship good. If you choose to forgo the fun of building then go firewall-forward
only, but DO IT !
Best of luck on your decision.
Tracy
In a message dated 12/1/2004 5:35:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wtilley@frontiernet.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Tilley" <wtilley@frontiernet.net>
Greetings All,
I've been ghosting on this list for a number of months now and am finally
close enough to making a purchase decision that I'd appreciate your opinions.
I've got the factory info. pack and new DVD, as well as taking a ride in their
demonstrator this past Summer.
1. Is the quality of the kit parts what you expect (i.e. all there and not
in need of any additional work)? I've read in some messages that the parts are
somewhat primitive in manufacture compared to those produced by some other
kit makers and especially as compared to the finish on the Czech Aircraft
Works planes available via Sky Shop.
2. With regard to assembling the kit, are the manual/instructions clear as
to make the process virtually obvious? Some posts to this list have implied a
lack of clarity from step-to-step. I'm not sure if this applies to the kit or
just those working from plans only.
3. Open to comments: Buy kit from Zenith or 100% airframe from Sky Shop and
do firewall-forward installation myself?
Thank you,
Wayne Tilley
South New Berlin, NY
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: sportypilot@stx.rr.com
Todd he was talking about being a member here on Matronics list
Not his yahoo list..
And having more than the xl stuff, I think all of it is good 701, 801 ch2000
whatever , I am not for or against him posting this, just figured if your
going to bitch at him , its better to get the 1st part straight.. :)
As a member of THIS! list, off and on for several months, I've
> observed that the
> >e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe
> 3-5 are
> >specific to the 601XL.
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 601XL e-mail list
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne " <todd@toddtown.com>
>
> Interesting. That group was only created 3 days ago, has 1 posting
> and 26 members. It is rather hard to be a member of something on
> and off for a few months when it was only created last weekend.
>
> Todd
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:19:41 -0800
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera"
> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
> >
> >I intend no disrespect by any means, and do not wish to cause any
> division among
> >the ranks, but there's a new 601XL e-mail list now available,
> which will
> >(obviously) be for the purposes of discussions limited to the
> 601XL.
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CH601XL/
> >
> >As a member of this list off and on for several months, I've
> observed that the
> >e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe
> 3-5 are
> >specific to the 601XL. Hopefully those of us whose time is
> limited, and
> >interests are focused on the 601XL, can have a resource for
> efficiently sharing
> >information.
> >
> >We invite any and all who are interested to join.
> >
> >I really don't know enough about the major and subtle differences
> within the 601
> >series line, and maybe the list should be open to any and all 601
> conversations,>so if your interests are with the HD HDS and UL,
> please feel free to join and
> >participate.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Pat
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Todd Osborne
> Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
> Web Site: www.toddtown.com
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 12/1/2004 4:35:35 PM Central Standard Time,
wtilley@frontiernet.net writes:
1. Is the quality of the kit parts what you expect (i.e. all there and not in
need of any additional work)? I've read in some messages that the parts are
somewhat primitive in manufacture compared to those produced by some other kit
makers and especially as compared to the finish on the Czech Aircraft Works
planes available via Sky Shop.
Wayne,
I have found the ZAC kit parts, and the plans/manuals to be very good.
The Zenith CH701SP kit is a 49% kit. We builders do at least 51% of the work,
per the FAA rules for Ex amateur built. ZAC support has been great.
Don't know about Skyshop Kit or support.
The ZAC Rudder Workshop was worth it, an eye-opener.
Good luck, Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Boss" <bossone@cox.net>
It may not be locked up. PDF files can get really slow downloading. Get at
least version 5 of Acrobat reader.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JERICKSON03E@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for
kit
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 4:35:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> wtilley@frontiernet.net writes:
>
> 1. Is the quality of the kit parts what you expect (i.e. all there and not
in
> need of any additional work)? I've read in some messages that the parts
are
> somewhat primitive in manufacture compared to those produced by some other
kit
> makers and especially as compared to the finish on the Czech Aircraft
Works
> planes available via Sky Shop.
>
> Wayne,
> I have found the ZAC kit parts, and the plans/manuals to be very good.
>
> The Zenith CH701SP kit is a 49% kit. We builders do at least 51% of the
work,
> per the FAA rules for Ex amateur built. ZAC support has been great.
>
> Don't know about Skyshop Kit or support.
>
> The ZAC Rudder Workshop was worth it, an eye-opener.
>
> Good luck, Jerry
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
I'm contemplating a Rotax 601XL FWF purchase soon and would like any
feedback folks might
have on the Skyshops package. How complete is it, instructions, quality of
parts, etc.
how does it compare to the Zenith one?
Any info to me on or off list would be appreciated
Thanks
George May
601XL
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 Regulator rectifier connection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
Yes, although the alternator field switch is part of this too. C
controls the alternator field and does connect to B+ and the CAP. See
http://www.iprules.com/plane/wiring.jpg for my wiring diagram. Hope it
helps.
Frank Jones
>I have a question to those who have the Rotax 912 reg/rec.
>Did you connect the C and B+ together for the charging along with the
>condensor 22.000 microph? and then directly to the battery?
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| Subject: | New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
I believe he meant "this" list, Todd.
do not archive
Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@flyinmiata.com
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Osborne [mailto:todd@toddtown.com]
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 601XL e-mail list
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne " <todd@toddtown.com>
Interesting. That group was only created 3 days ago, has 1 posting and 26
members. It is rather hard to be a member of something on and off for a few
months when it was only created last weekend.
Todd
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera"
<panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>I intend no disrespect by any means, and do not wish to cause any division
among
>the ranks, but there's a new 601XL e-mail list now available, which will
>(obviously) be for the purposes of discussions limited to the 601XL.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CH601XL/
>
>As a member of this list off and on for several months, I've observed that
the
>e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe 3-5 are
>specific to the 601XL. Hopefully those of us whose time is limited, and
>interests are focused on the 601XL, can have a resource for efficiently
sharing
>information.
>
>We invite any and all who are interested to join.
>
>I really don't know enough about the major and subtle differences within
the 601
>series line, and maybe the list should be open to any and all 601
conversations,
>so if your interests are with the HD HDS and UL, please feel free to join
and
>participate.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Pat
>
>
--
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
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| Subject: | Zenith Parts Quality |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
To answe rsome of the questions about the ZAC kit;
I have had a few parts in my tail kit that had quality problems, but ZAC
has replaced them immediately, and in one case asked me to return the
defective parts so they could show them to their makers. So their
support is excellent and they are actively trying to improve quality.
Their drawings have a few problems, mostly drafting errors, but the
photo manual helps to clarify them.
The parts don't go together like an erector set; you have to do some
work in addition to drilling holes. Most of your time will be spent
measuring and re-measuring before cutting or drilling, and that is part
of the building process (the 51% we're supposed to do).
Howard Carter
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
Pat, I've included a link to the results of voting to split the list or keep
it combined. Matt has been very responsive to Zenith builders and many other
groups. Trying to pick out one group of builders of your choosing would be
like someone starting another list to serve only Corvair XL builders. Sure
is nice to come to one site and get all the information you need.
You mentioned that there are 50 posts per day on this list, that's a good
thing. Some days there might only be 3 -5 posts on the XL, but other days
there could be 50. Just depends on who's yanking the chain. And there are
some great yankers on this list ;-)
I also considered starting another Zenith list. I have tons of space on my
server and a PHP Forum that would serve the needs of any group, but I don't
have history, no archives. And finally, Matt is doing a great job!
http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-26.ht
ml#MESSAGE5
Hope you don't take this personal, just voicing my opinion.
Jake
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
It's a matter of opinion. I think Zenith could do a lot more and still stay
within their 49%. I would say they are doing about 29%. I say that because
I have built other kits and know what other manufacturers provide for their
49%. And, it's a lot more than Zac does. Basically for the most part
Zenith supplies raw materials close to what you need. You still have to do
a lot of cutting, filing, bending, etc. Almost without exception, i.e.,
ribs, you have to cut every piece of aluminum to it's final dimensions. I
think we have a tendency to forget what a b##h it was after we are all done.
Nothing to it, Right? How many of you have trashed parts and reordered
because of cutting or drilling wrong? As for how the instructions were,
they are just ok, especially after you learn to read them, of course that
happens about when you are done. A lot of instructions are not logically
placed, but they are there. The pictures I had were before the CD came out
and they were in black and white, really hard to make out stuff on some of
them. Zenith had the best instructions of the three manufacturers I have
dealt with. RAF had a fairly complete kit and ample instructions. PegaStol
has the most complete kit and horrific instructions.
If I were to build another Zenith product I would order from them again, but
I'm not going to sugar coat it and I would know what to expect.
Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Tilley" <wtilley@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Tilley"
<wtilley@frontiernet.net>
>
> Greetings All,
>
> I've been ghosting on this list for a number of months now and am finally
close enough to making a purchase decision that I'd appreciate your
opinions. I've got the factory info. pack and new DVD, as well as taking a
ride in their demonstrator this past Summer.
>
> 1. Is the quality of the kit parts what you expect (i.e. all there and not
in need of any additional work)? I've read in some messages that the parts
are somewhat primitive in manufacture compared to those produced by some
other kit makers and especially as compared to the finish on the Czech
Aircraft Works planes available via Sky Shop.
>
> 2. With regard to assembling the kit, are the manual/instructions clear as
to make the process virtually obvious? Some posts to this list have implied
a lack of clarity from step-to-step. I'm not sure if this applies to the kit
or just those working from plans only.
>
> 3. Open to comments: Buy kit from Zenith or 100% airframe from Sky Shop
and do firewall-forward installation myself?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Wayne Tilley
> South New Berlin, NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
I can see that, sorry, my bad.
do not archive
Todd Osborne
Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
Web Site: www.toddtown.com
MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
Bill Cardell wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bill Cardell <bill@flyinmiata.com>
>
> I believe he meant "this" list, Todd.
>
> do not archive
>
> Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> bill@flyinmiata.com
> Flyin' Miata
> 1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
> 970-242-3800 (tech support)
> http://flyinmiata.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Osborne [mailto:todd@toddtown.com]
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 601XL e-mail list
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Todd Osborne " <todd@toddtown.com>
>
> Interesting. That group was only created 3 days ago, has 1 posting and 26
> members. It is rather hard to be a member of something on and off for a few
> months when it was only created last weekend.
>
> Todd
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:19:41 -0800
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera"
>
> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>>I intend no disrespect by any means, and do not wish to cause any division
>
> among
>
>>the ranks, but there's a new 601XL e-mail list now available, which will
>>(obviously) be for the purposes of discussions limited to the 601XL.
>>
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CH601XL/
>>
>>As a member of this list off and on for several months, I've observed that
>
> the
>
>>e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe 3-5 are
>>specific to the 601XL. Hopefully those of us whose time is limited, and
>>interests are focused on the 601XL, can have a resource for efficiently
>
> sharing
>
>>information.
>>
>>We invite any and all who are interested to join.
>>
>>I really don't know enough about the major and subtle differences within
>
> the 601
>
>>series line, and maybe the list should be open to any and all 601
>
> conversations,
>
>>so if your interests are with the HD HDS and UL, please feel free to join
>
> and
>
>>participate.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Todd Osborne
> Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
> Web Site: www.toddtown.com
> MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
> AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
I agree with Jake though I have already signed up for the new forum . Mostly because
of fear that I may miss out on some of the conversation. But who knows maybe
it will generate more posts on the XL in the long-run. I would be all for
that. Its not a big deal to sign up for both and get them all delivered to the
same place, though I do see how toomany different lists could get confusing
and become a problem.
Kevin Bonds
PS. Go ahead and sign me up for that 601/Vair site someone mentioned ;) (wink)
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna"
>
> Pat, I've included a link to the results of voting to split the list or keep
> it combined. Matt has been very responsive to Zenith builders and many other
> groups. Trying to pick out one group of builders of your choosing would be
> like someone starting another list to serve only Corvair XL builders. Sure
> is nice to come to one site and get all the information you need.
>
> You mentioned that there are 50 posts per day on this list, that's a good
> thing. Some days there might only be 3 -5 posts on the XL, but other days
> there could be 50. Just depends on who's yanking the chain. And there are
> some great yankers on this list ;-)
>
> I also considered starting another Zenith list. I have tons of space on my
> server and a PHP Forum that would serve the needs of any group, but I don't
> have history, no archives. And finally, Matt is doing a great job!
>
> ml#MESSAGE5
>
> Hope you don't take this personal, just voicing my opinion.
>
> Jake
I agree with Jake though I have already signed up for the new forum . Mostly because
of fear that I may miss out on some of the conversation. But who knows maybe
it will generate more posts on the XL in the long-run. I would be all for
that. Its not a big deal to sign up for both and get them all delivered to the
same place, though I do see how toomany different lists could get confusing
and become a problem.
Kevin Bonds
PS. Go ahead and sign me up for that 601/Vair site someone mentioned ;) (wink)
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <JAKE@LOCKHART-TX.COM>
Pat, I've included a link to the results of voting to split the list or keep
it combined. Matt has been very responsive to Zenith builders and many other
groups. Trying to pick out one group of builders of your choosing would be
like someone starting another list to serve only Corvair XL builders. Sure
is nice to come to one site and get all the information you need.
You mentioned that there are 50 posts per day on this list, that's a good
thing. Some days there might only be 3 -5 posts on the XL, but other days
there could be 50. Just depends on who's yanking the chain. And there are
some great yankers on this list ;-)
I also considered starti
ng another Zenith list. I have tons of space on my
server and a PHP Forum that would serve the needs of any group, but I don't
have history, no archives. And finally, Matt is doing a great job!
http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-26.ht
ml#MESSAGE5
Hope you don't take this personal, just voicing my opinion.
Jake
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kevinbonds@comcast.net
Sorry guys . . I forgot to put do not archive on that last one. I always remember
just after I hit send. My mistake.
Kevin Bonds
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna"
>
> Pat, I've included a link to the results of voting to split the list or keep
> it combined. Matt has been very responsive to Zenith builders and many other
> groups. Trying to pick out one group of builders of your choosing would be
> like someone starting another list to serve only Corvair XL builders. Sure
> is nice to come to one site and get all the information you need.
>
> You mentioned that there are 50 posts per day on this list, that's a good
> thing. Some days there might only be 3 -5 posts on the XL, but other days
> there could be 50. Just depends on who's yanking the chain. And there are
> some great yankers on this list ;-)
>
> I also considered starting another Zenith list. I have tons of space on my
> server and a PHP Forum that would serve the needs of any group, but I don't
> have history, no archives. And finally, Matt is doing a great job!
>
> ml#MESSAGE5
>
> Hope you don't take this personal, just voicing my opinion.
>
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>
>
Sorry guys . . I forgot to putdo not archive on that last one. I always remember
just after I hit send. My mistake.
Kevin Bonds
do not archive
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <JAKE@LOCKHART-TX.COM>
Pat, I've included a link to the results of voting to split the list or keep
it combined. Matt has been very responsive to Zenith builders and many other
groups. Trying to pick out one group of builders of your choosing would be
like someone starting another list to serve only Corvair XL builders. Sure
is nice to come to one site and get all the information you need.
You mentioned that there are 50 posts per day on this list, that's a good
thing. Some days there might only be 3 -5 posts on the XL, but other days
there could be 50. Just depends on who's yanking the chain. And there are
some great yankers on this list ;-)
I also considered starti
ng another Zenith list. I have tons of space on my
server and a PHP Forum that would serve the needs of any group, but I don't
have history, no archives. And finally, Matt is doing a great job!
http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list/Digest.Zenith-List.2004-09-26.ht
ml#MESSAGE5
Hope you don't take this personal, just voicing my opinion.
Jake
>
/zenith-list
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com
Larry,
Thanks for sharing all that about BRS and your thinking on the subject. You
have helped me make up my mind.
Jim Greenough
701 Portland
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
(I think) the yahoo groups are a PITA.
I tried reading them - too inefficient for me.
I use pine to read the matronics list serve messages.
oh - and the archives are very useful.
I have learned from the zenith and rv matronics postings.
And I hope to continue to do so. Stick around + keep those
postings coming!
do not archive
Joe E
N633Z @ BFI
140 hours
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