---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/02/04: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) 2. 06:31 PM - Hey, Where's My List Mail Today...? (Matt Dralle) 3. 07:23 PM - Corvair on a CH701 (Jon Croke) 4. 07:29 PM - The tail kit arrived! (Matt & Jo) 5. 07:58 PM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (nhulin) 6. 11:06 PM - Email lists in general (was: New 601XL e-mail list) (Gary Craze) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:22 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Zenith-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Zenith-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:05 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Hey, Where's My List Mail Today...? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, My sincere apologies today! This morning (Thursday) at about 3am the Matronics Firewall broke. About 9am I was able to bring up an older firewall and got everything back on line, or so I thought... While the web pages were working, I had neglected to add a policy that allowed incoming email to get to the email server (actually the SPAM filtering appliance). I just checked my email for the first time today and noticed that I hadn't gotten any List mail today. Hum, I thought, this can't be good!! Anyway, I'm going to enable incoming email now on the firewall and things should be back to normal. I'm sure sorry for the oversight. Hopefully nobody had any withdrawals from lack of List banter today!! :-) Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:34 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair on a CH701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Sorry for the repeated messages on this topic ( DO NOT ARCHIVE) but we just had ANOTHER fine set of pictures submitted for 701 builders interested in CORVAIR conversions....Roy Szarafinski appears to have progressed the furtherst that I've seen with his installation. And the pictures are placed at the top of the heap at www.CH701.com (alternate engines) Any more of these and I'll consider cancelling my upcoming Rotax 912 order ;) Jon ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:43 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Zenith-List: The tail kit arrived! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" Hello to all, The tail kit arrived and I have been busy. Check out the web site if you like. http://www.geocities.com/archermj@swbell.net/Zodiachome.html Cheers Matt Archer 601 XL Rudder 25 % ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:45 PM PST US From: "nhulin" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New 601XL e-mail list --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" Pat, With respect, the question came up recently on the Z-list about splitting and overwhelmingly the consensus was NOT to split the list. Your new list is, in my opinion, a Very Bad Idea. I don't need nor want yet another place to have to go to get the valuable input that I need. You are seriously involved in the Corvair and you have mentioned that you are getting, or may already have, a 601. The 601/Corvair builders are best served by remaining on the Matronics list since the majority of the build is the aircraft which is common to all of us. The specific details of the Corvair installation do not warrant a split. There is nothing particularly special about the 601/Corvair combination and the Corvaircraft list is already a suitable resource for those of use putting Corvairs on our planes. Creating another list does a great disservice to both of the existing lists. And beside, you've been around long enough to know that it is extremely impolite to try and duplicate an already successful and well subscribed list. ;-) ..neil 601XL/Corvair ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:02 PM PST US From: "Gary Craze" Subject: Zenith-List: Email lists in general (was: New 601XL e-mail list) --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Craze" Just have to throw my 2-cents in. No offense to Matronics, (esp Matt), but after having created and managed probably a dozen or more email / group lists over the last ten years, I'll tell you that the "traditional" email list server is fast going the way of the dodo bird (no, people who still use them aren't dodos!) The biggest issues with traditional email lists is that people either A) don't want the 50+ emails clogging their inbox every day, or B) don't want to have to sift through a mind-numbing digest dump. The online, browser-based lists are much less obtrusive and easier to interact with than traditional email lists for more reasons than I'll go into here. And most decent online lists (like Yahoo group lists) archive, have nice search engines, and easy to use online storage as well for uploading and storing images, documents, etc. The biggest turnoff for online lists like Yahoo Group lists are the advertisements you have to sometimes pass through. The best situation is a managed forum list. These are mostly provided by some sponsor. In these forums, you can have one broad topic (like Zenith), with multiple sub-topics (like CH601, CH701, etc) and everything is nicely organized, fantastically easy to navigate, all in one convenient location, and you don't have ads. However, somebody has to pony up for the forum expense, unlike a free, "Yahoo Group" style list. All that being said, I most likely won't be switching over from the Matronics lists to something new anytime soon. The reason? So many people are already on them that it becomes an exercise in logistics and politics to move to a new venue. The solution for unclogging the inbox and not having to deal with the digest? I set up a email rule in my Outlook program to automatically push anything with Matronics in the address over to a dedicated email folder where I can sift through later at my leisure and keep my inbox clean. As noted at the start of this, I mean no disrespect for Matt and others who manage lists like these. They are generally thankless jobs, have no monetary redeeming nature (most lists are done out of the kind pockets of the list managers themselves), and are an ongoing management irritation. My comments are just on the nature of group-oriented lists in general, and how most new lists are being organized. Best regards, Gary Craze CH801 N801GC (reserved)