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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Corvair on a CH701 (Jake Reyna)
2. 06:05 AM - Yahoo lists? NOT! (John)
3. 06:10 AM - Email lists, a proposal ()
4. 06:13 AM - Re: Email lists in general (John)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Corvair on a CH701 (Jake Reyna)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Cleone Markwell)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: The tail kit arrived! (Cleone Markwell)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Cleone Markwell)
9. 08:24 AM - Re: Corvair on a CH701 (Cleone Markwell)
10. 08:26 AM - Re: Zenith Parts Quality (Cleone Markwell)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Skyshops (Cleone Markwell)
12. 08:28 AM - Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts (Cleone Markwell)
13. 08:28 AM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (Cleone Markwell)
14. 08:34 AM - Re: Aileron trim tab question (Cleone Markwell)
15. 08:37 AM - Re: Wheel Forks, Corrosion (Cleone Markwell)
16. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: HD or XL? (Cleone Markwell)
17. 08:39 AM - Re: Fw: alternate engines CH701 (Cleone Markwell)
18. 08:39 AM - Re: HD or XL? (Cleone Markwell)
19. 08:41 AM - Re: Wing Costs (Cleone Markwell)
20. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Storing skins (Cleone Markwell)
21. 08:44 AM - Re: New 601XL e-mail list (nhulin)
22. 08:44 AM - Re: Zenith Leading Edge Slat (Cleone Markwell)
23. 08:49 AM - Re: Just when you thought the elections were (Cleone Markwell)
24. 08:51 AM - Re: 701 engines VW vs Corvair vs Jabiru 2200 (Cleone Markwell)
25. 08:53 AM - Re: 701 Corvair solution (Cleone Markwell)
26. 09:02 AM - riveting metal to fiberglass (Williamson Brian - brwill)
27. 09:03 AM - Re: Email lists in general (nhulin)
28. 09:19 AM - Re: riveting metal to fiberglass (Larry McFarland)
29. 10:27 AM - Re: riveting metal to fiberglass (Randy Stout)
30. 10:37 AM - Re: riveting metal to fiberglass (Scott Laughlin)
31. 11:06 AM - Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? (lnk)
32. 11:43 AM - New position of fuel sender 701 tanks (Gdascomb@aol.com)
33. 11:59 AM - Re: Wing Costs (James Ferris)
34. 12:14 PM - 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
35. 01:54 PM - Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? (Cdngoose)
36. 02:01 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (nhulin)
37. 02:37 PM - Re: riveting metal to fiberglass (Leo J. Corbalis)
38. 03:04 PM - Dual fuel pumps in XL wings (Joemotis@aol.com)
39. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
40. 03:08 PM - Re: Dual fuel pumps in XL wings (Joemotis@aol.com)
41. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Joemotis@aol.com)
42. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Joemotis@aol.com)
43. 06:30 PM - Re: Wing Costs (Larry Martin)
44. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Corvair on a CH701 (Larry Martin)
45. 06:59 PM - Re: riveting metal to fiberglass (ron dewees)
46. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair on a CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
At one time I was considering building the Kitfox 7 since it is capable of
handling the Corvair and other heavier engines like the 0-235. Part of that
solution was to sweep the wings forward I believe 2 degrees. Has anyone
discussed this with the factory or is there some simple reason, besides
having to modify the wing root, it shouldn't be considered on the 701?
Jake
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| Subject: | Yahoo lists? NOT! |
0.51 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
My vote along with the majority of other readers who took the time to vote was
to keep this list Zenith oriented and not break it up. I've been a member of
Yahoo for almost as long as it has existed and as far as the groups go, it is
a far cry from Matronics. Impossible to read
archives because of advertisements in between posts, pitiful worthless search engine,
and TONS! of spam if you take individual posts. Also they've been working
on trying to charge for the service! I'm on one of the RV (motor home) lists
and I get on average two spams per one legit post. Try it! you'll quit soon
enough! John Lifer, just my opinion worth what you paid for it!
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| Subject: | Email lists, a proposal |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <kkinney@fuse.net>
I depend greatly on the Matronics Zenith list. It's the first email I open in
the mornings.
I love it because you can download the archive to a laptop and use it in the garage.
That way I can look up problems I'm having from there rather than running
into the house and firing up the internet.
This is just not possible through Yahoo.
And I'm not about to run Yahoo down either. I have a couple groups on there myself
and know their abilites pretty well.
Yahoo allows you to store pictures with the newsgroup. Yes, I'm aware this is
available on Matronics, but all groups post to the same folder. (The old Bernie
Gun posts are pretty informative & entertaining as well.)
Yahoo also allows you to save files, something Matronics doesn't do.
My proposal is this; use the strengths of both. Keep Matronics as your main newsgroup
and keep the ability to download the entire archives to a single file.
When you need to post pictures and files, use the the Yahoo newsgroup.
Please decide for yourself, but make an informed decision. Personally, I'll get
my news from Matronics, but check Yahoo for files and pictures.
My 2 cents worth, (actual value may be far less)
Kevin Kinney
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| Subject: | Re: Email lists in general |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
Gary, I'll respectfully disagree. It is INFINATELY easier to deal with one digest
email that arrives with no work on your part rather than having to log onto
a web site, wade thru advertisements that popup continually and as far as Yahoo
is concerned, terrible search engines. Web based groups are Cute, and provide
the company providing the service an easy way to get THEIR messages across
to you. BTW, Yahoo is pushing a charge for their group use. Do you want to
HAVE to pay for your message use? Matt does an excellent job with this list and
I'll bet it continue to be the definative list for a long time to come. BTW,
I need to make a contribution!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair on a CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
.... and in other posts I've stated that in my opinion the Corvair is too
heavy for the 701. It's the Gross Weight that bothers me. I actually think
that the 701 will perform very well with the Corvair and I look forward to
seeing real world performance numbers.
The empty weight of a 701 with the Rotax 912 is about 580 lbs, with a
Corvair the empty weight will be in the 630 lb range. That leaves a 470 lb
useful load. Two standard FAA passengers, 350 lbs, fuel 120 lbs and there
goes the useful load. The Kitfox 7 has a 1550 lb gross weight, probably 660
useful with a Corvair, so the heavy engine isn't an issue.
I talk about doing all sorts of weird things to the 701, but Chris Heintz is
significantly more qualified when it comes to aircraft design and
performance. If Chris Heintz were to bump the Gross Weight of the 701 to
1200 lbs, then I would happily put a Corvair on the front. And nothing would
make me happier than to use a Corvair :-)
Jake
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This
week I have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The
actual time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs
anytime the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a
full panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as
well as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 09:39 PM 12/2/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
>Pat,
>
>With respect, the question came up recently on the Z-list about splitting
>and overwhelmingly the consensus was NOT to split the list. Your new list
>is, in my opinion, a Very Bad Idea. I don't need nor want yet another place
>to have to go to get the valuable input that I need. You are seriously
>involved in the Corvair and you have mentioned that you are getting, or may
>already have, a 601. The 601/Corvair builders are best served by remaining
>on the Matronics list since the majority of the build is the aircraft which
>is common to all of us. The specific details of the Corvair installation do
>not warrant a split. There is nothing particularly special about the
>601/Corvair combination and the Corvaircraft list is already a suitable
>resource for those of use putting Corvairs on our planes. Creating another
>list does a great disservice to both of the existing lists.
>
>And beside, you've been around long enough to know that it is extremely
>impolite to try and duplicate an already successful and well subscribed
>list. ;-)
>
>..neil
>601XL/Corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The tail kit arrived! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 09:28 PM 12/2/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>
>Hello to all,
>
>The tail kit arrived and I have been busy. Check out the web site if you
>like.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/archermj@swbell.net/Zodiachome.html
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Matt Archer
>601 XL
>Rudder 25 %
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Would you be interested in an engine for a 601 HD ?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This
week I have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The
actual time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs
anytime the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a
full panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as
well as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 09:39 PM 12/2/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
>Pat,
>
>With respect, the question came up recently on the Z-list about splitting
>and overwhelmingly the consensus was NOT to split the list. Your new list
>is, in my opinion, a Very Bad Idea. I don't need nor want yet another place
>to have to go to get the valuable input that I need. You are seriously
>involved in the Corvair and you have mentioned that you are getting, or may
>already have, a 601. The 601/Corvair builders are best served by remaining
>on the Matronics list since the majority of the build is the aircraft which
>is common to all of us. The specific details of the Corvair installation do
>not warrant a split. There is nothing particularly special about the
>601/Corvair combination and the Corvaircraft list is already a suitable
>resource for those of use putting Corvairs on our planes. Creating another
>list does a great disservice to both of the existing lists.
>
>And beside, you've been around long enough to know that it is extremely
>impolite to try and duplicate an already successful and well subscribed
>list. ;-)
>
>..neil
>601XL/Corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair on a CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 09:18 PM 12/2/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
>Sorry for the repeated messages on this topic ( DO NOT ARCHIVE) but we
>just had ANOTHER fine set of pictures submitted for 701 builders
>interested in CORVAIR conversions....Roy Szarafinski appears to have
>progressed the furtherst that I've seen with his installation. And the
>pictures are placed at the top of the heap at www.CH701.com (alternate engines)
>
>Any more of these and I'll consider cancelling my upcoming Rotax 912 order ;)
>
>Jon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Parts Quality |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 07:31 PM 12/1/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
>To answe rsome of the questions about the ZAC kit;
>I have had a few parts in my tail kit that had quality problems, but ZAC
>has replaced them immediately, and in one case asked me to return the
>defective parts so they could show them to their makers. So their
>support is excellent and they are actively trying to improve quality.
>Their drawings have a few problems, mostly drafting errors, but the
>photo manual helps to clarify them.
>The parts don't go together like an erector set; you have to do some
>work in addition to drilling holes. Most of your time will be spent
>measuring and re-measuring before cutting or drilling, and that is part
>of the building process (the 51% we're supposed to do).
> Howard Carter
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 06:37 PM 12/1/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I'm contemplating a Rotax 601XL FWF purchase soon and would like any
>feedback folks might
>have on the Skyshops package. How complete is it, instructions, quality of
>parts, etc.
>how does it compare to the Zenith one?
>Any info to me on or off list would be appreciated
>
>Thanks
>George May
>601XL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts |
for kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net> for kit
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>
At 04:32 PM 12/1/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Wayne Tilley" <wtilley@frontiernet.net>
>
>Greetings All,
>
>I've been ghosting on this list for a number of months now and am finally
>close enough to making a purchase decision that I'd appreciate your
>opinions. I've got the factory info. pack and new DVD, as well as taking a
>ride in their demonstrator this past Summer.
>
>1. Is the quality of the kit parts what you expect (i.e. all there and not
>in need of any additional work)? I've read in some messages that the parts
>are somewhat primitive in manufacture compared to those produced by some
>other kit makers and especially as compared to the finish on the Czech
>Aircraft Works planes available via Sky Shop.
>
>2. With regard to assembling the kit, are the manual/instructions clear as
>to make the process virtually obvious? Some posts to this list have
>implied a lack of clarity from step-to-step. I'm not sure if this applies
>to the kit or just those working from plans only.
>
>3. Open to comments: Buy kit from Zenith or 100% airframe from Sky Shop
>and do firewall-forward installation myself?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Wayne Tilley
>South New Berlin, NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 11:19 AM 12/1/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Patrick Panzera"
><panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>I intend no disrespect by any means, and do not wish to cause any division
>among
>the ranks, but there's a new 601XL e-mail list now available, which will
>(obviously) be for the purposes of discussions limited to the 601XL.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CH601XL/
>
>As a member of this list off and on for several months, I've observed that the
>e-mail traffic is easily in excess of 50 per day, of which maybe 3-5 are
>specific to the 601XL. Hopefully those of us whose time is limited, and
>interests are focused on the 601XL, can have a resource for efficiently
>sharing
>information.
>
>We invite any and all who are interested to join.
>
>I really don't know enough about the major and subtle differences within
>the 601
>series line, and maybe the list should be open to any and all 601
>conversations,
>so if your interests are with the HD HDS and UL, please feel free to join and
>participate.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim tab question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know any one who would be interested?.....
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 10:22 PM 11/30/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
>
>Just wanted to ask the list for some advise.
>
>I just received my electric trim tab kit for my HD today from ZAC and
>proceeded to install it. Everything went fine and now I'm in the
>process of setting the travel and deflection. I installed the trim tab
>on my right wing since I think it will be move effective to counter the
>"heavy" left wing while being flown solo (better leverage). So my
>question is, right now the trim motor at the back travel limit has the
>trim tab in a neutral position in line with the bottom of the aileron
>(meaning no affect on aileron dynamics). At full travel I get a fair
>bit of trim deflection in the down position which is correct to move
>the aileron up and push the right wing down. How important is it that
>I get some "up" deflection of the trim tab to push the aileron down and
>the right wing up? Anyone have occasion for the left wing being down a
>slight bit?
>
>I had to trim the Ray Allen plastic horn to get the inside the horn to
>fit but if I determine by responses that I need to have an equal amount
>of travel in the up position I will have to fabricate a new curved horn
>to give me the travel required in the limited space of an HD trim
>system.
>
>Trevor Page
>601HD 98% complete.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know anyone who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 04:01 PM 11/30/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
>I'm just about to put wheels on my HDS, and am wondering about corrosion
>protection on the aluminum forks. I will do the usual Zinc Chromate on the
>out-of-sight mating parts, i.e. inside of doubler, etc.
>
>I would like to keep the aluminum look for a while, as I may not paint most
>of the plane right away (if ever), and wheel pants will only be added much
>later. I'm thinking of using the clear Alodine treatment for protection,
>but I'm not sure that's effective. Does anyone know if the Alodine protects
>by itself, or is it only effective as a pre treatment for painting?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kent
>Most of the big airframe chunks done.
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know any one who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 02:47 PM 11/30/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
>
>I would vote for the XL. One thing that hasn't been mentioned if you're
>plans building and I think something to consider, you can buy any part from
>Zenith. What's wrong with buying the wing spar and ribs already fabricated.
>You will still save a ton of money. This is what makes Zenith a good choice,
>you can make it as easy as you want.
>
>On the other hand, if you're happy with HD performance, have you considered
>the 701? I spoke with Danny at Skyshops and their getting 100mph with the
>912S at 4950 rpm. This might be easier to plans build since it has the shape
>of a brick ;-) and if I had more time ....
>
>I had the XL on order and had second thoughts. The 701 was always my first
>choice, but I wanted to use the Corvair and in my opinion it's a bit too
>heavy. You will notice that I was fishing for advice recently on the list
>and I caught plenty of good stuff :-) I called the factory today and changed
>my order to the 701 because it will suit my style of flying, low and slow
>with great visibility.
>
>Happy Trails!
>Jake
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: alternate engines CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know any one who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 01:58 PM 11/30/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
>
>Well, that was quick response....
>
>we now have pictures from more alternate engine 701 builders, to now include
>a SUZUKI and a CORVAIR in progress.
>
>They are in no particular order.. I'm putting the most recent submissions at
>the top of the page.
>
>These, I think, are our true 701 pioneers!!
>
>Thanks!
>www.CH701.com
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
> >
> > Alternate engines for the 701???
> >
> > We have started a page just for that purpose at www.CH701.com thanks to
> > Winston Ellis who has installed a Geo Metro with Raven redrive... check
> > out his pictures under 'Alternate Engines' . I need to collect up all the
> > previous pictures (thanks Larry M.) on this subject and post them together
> > on this page.
> >
> > BTW, the new front page picture for this website was submitted by Dave
> > Smith... this could be a picture post card for 701 marketing! What do you
> > think?!
> >
> > As always, send in your pictures, they'll eventually make it on!
> >
> > colder in Green Bay, WI,
> >
> > Jon
> > moderator@CH701.com
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know anyone who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 10:18 AM 11/30/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Andrew Hinsdale <ahinsdale@yahoo.com>
>
>Hey Listers,
>
>I have been really enjoying reading the list and the
>great information in it. Like many of you, I have
>settled on one of the excellent Zenair designs as my
>first homebuilt project, but the question is WHICH
>ONE? I have boiled it down to either a 601HD or
>601XL. As far as I can tell, the XL would be somewhat
>more complicated and expensive to build (tapered wing,
>electric flaps), the main advantages being a higher
>cruise speed and a slightly larger cockpit. Engine
>choices are more diverse with the HD since the XL is
>designed for 100-lb higher gross weight and 100-hp
>engines. Fuselage complexity appears equal. I like
>the XL wing tanks, but I can get that option on the
>HD.
>
>So, since I really don't care that much about and
>extra 10-15 mph cruise speed, and I want to build as
>much as I can from plans, I am leaning toward an HD
>with wing tanks-only. The main reason is that
>beautifully simple, fat, forgiving constant chord wing
>with hingeless ailerons. Fewer parts, fewer forming
>blocks, easier assembly. Am I crazy if I don't build
>the latest version?
>
>Thanks!
>Andy Hinsdale
>Tucson, AZ
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://my.yahoo.com
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know any one who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 06:07 PM 11/29/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
>Frank Stutzman and others,
>
>the Pegastol wing kit costs $7680, including crating, slat jig, and
>2-tank fuel system.
>
>the CH701 wing costs $4980, including crating, and 2-tank fuel system.
>
>I got these quotes from Dedalius last week, and from the ZAC Stol
>Series binder.
>
> We are comparing apples and oranges here; these wings are not equal in
>many respects.
>
>Howard Carter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Storing skins |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know anyone who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 03:28 PM 11/29/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
>Tommy,
>
> Yep, you will need to unwrap and dry. Not to big
>of a problem for the packaging that only holds one
>skin, but, for instance, the rear fuselage side skins
>are packaged together, and they will begin with
>galvanic corrosion almost immediately. -Before
>someone gets on a soapbox about 6061 and silicon, this
>is from experience. I got my fuselage kit less than
>two months ago, the very day that the southern
>California drought ended. The box got some water in
>it, but not much. All of the parts I have unwrapped
>have been fine (no corrosion) except for the side
>skins, They had widespread minor surface corrosion.
>Not a big deal, but if they sat for months ???
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Brandon
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://my.yahoo.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 601XL e-mail list |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Many apologies to Pat Panzera for my inaccurate previous post. I think my
brain was out on vacation with Matt's firewall yesterday. I cross-linked two
of Pat's prior posts and somehow assumed that the new list was to be
601/Corvair centric - most of you probably saw through this straight away
though.
..neil
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Leading Edge Slat |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know any one who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 04:17 PM 11/28/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>
>To Bob Eli and others interested in the slat issues;
>
>The Pegastol wing used on the CH701 uses a NACA 2415 airfoil, so this
>may account for the increased cruise speed of 15 mph, rather than the
>fact that the slat is retracted at speeds greater than 30 mph. The slat
>is also different in shape, so it may actually have less drag when
>retracted. The Pegastol wing has four slats, two on each side, and they
>are independent of each other.. The flight shown on the Dedalius DVD
>clearly shows the sections retracting and extending as the aircraft is
>maneuvered in slow flight. Some other features also contribute to the
>cruise speed increase, such as streamlined struts, and no jury struts.
>
>Howard Carter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Just when you thought the elections were |
over...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net> over...
Do you know any one who needs an engine? I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a
Corvair From William Wynne. This week I have removed my Rotax engine which
was last flown last Sunday. The actual time on the engine is somewhat less
because the electric tach runs anytime the master switch is on and during
the last 3 years I have added a full panel to the plane and had the master
on quite a bit during testing as well as the warm up time to 120 F oil
temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 01:21 PM 11/28/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>
> >I know of a 701 in Australia that had a subaru installed. -Let's just
> say that these guys don't ask for >clearance through ZAC when they
> modify! The EMPTY weight came in at 1200 lbs!!!
>
>1200 pounds!!!! Far, far exceeds the credibility limit. Those Aussie
>just finished off a case of Fosters when they told that one.
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 engines VW vs Corvair vs Jabiru 2200 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Do you know anyone needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 09:09 AM 11/28/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>I have spent a lot of time considering and discussing various engines for
>the 701. IMHO the Corvair (WW version) makes and excellent aircraft
>engine, but it's weight the fact that Williams recommends that you use
>only aero fuel disqualifies it for me.
>
>I have had extensive conversations with Jeremy Monnett (AeroVee) about the
>desirability of using one of their engines in a 701. His advice is that
>it will work just fine with the correct prop. The fact the there is at
>least one 701 flying with a direct drive Jabiru 2200 that has almost the
>same RPM/Power characteristic as the AeroVee adds credence to his
>claim.. The Jabiru 2200 is also a fine engine but out of my price
>range. Price wise the Corvair is the cheapest. Next is the direct drive
>VW, then the Redive/VW. I have a friend with a 1915 cc redrive VW in a
>701 and he is very satisfied with performance. His plane will take off at
>cruise power and will jump the chocks at full power with brakes
>applied. (I think he is on this list so he can out himself if he wishes.)
>
>IMHO The biggest problem I see with the VW in a slow aircraft is cooling
>the heads/valves. The more power you try to pull out of the engine the
>more heat it must dissipate. Heat damage to the heads is
>cumulative. Run it too hot too many times and you can be 100% sure you
>are going to have a very short engine life.
>Another problem you are going to run into with a big bore/stroker engine
>is the crankcase. The case is now considered a throw away item. Of
>course you can buy an aluminum case, but there is a weight penalty. Also
>don't over stress the engine, watch manifold pressure to insure that the
>engine isn't working too hard.
>
>What are my plans? I plan on using a redrive/VW no larger than 1915
>cc. This allows the use of a stock crank. It will have an oil cooler and
>will be baffled very carefully to insure the heads are getting enough
>airflow around them.. I plan on flying it conservatively, maintaining it
>well, doing a valve somewhere around every 200 hours. I'm not advising
>anyone else this is just what I my plans are. There are people around
>with years and years of experience flying VW's listen to there advice very
>carefully.
>Bob B. 701 #75552
>P.S. I'm also a member in good standing of the Poverty Pilots Association.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: Jake Reyna
> To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:22 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: corvair
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
>
> Another option for the 701 would be the AeroVee 2002
> http://www.aeroconversions.com/ 2180cc, 80hp, 161 lb VW conversion that you
> assemble for $5,700. This could be a sweet package .....
>
> Jake
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Corvair solution |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Hi, You've got lots of good ideas. Do you know any one who needs an engine?
I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From William Wynne. This week I
have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown last Sunday. The actual
time on the engine is somewhat less because the electric tach runs anytime
the master switch is on and during the last 3 years I have added a full
panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit during testing as well
as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't working very hard.
$8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted on the 601 motor mount
from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and spinner, cowling, log
books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the cost. I am 200 miles
south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry storage here.
Cleone
Cleone Markwell
513 East Main
Casey, Illinois On US 70
217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
>C
At 06:24 PM 11/27/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
>
>I've got it, why didn't I figure this out before, I'm an idiot. I'll put the
>WW corvair up front, the 801 tail on it to counterbalance for CG, replace
>the wheels with skis (short ones, weight ya know), and no instruments, (who
>needs'em). I've got some bubble wrap I can use for seat cushions. No
>paint. I
>can use a cell phone taped to the inside wall for the ELT. (I've got a big
>old
>analog one). No doors. No windshield for that matter, I've got goggles. Only
>need one fuel tank, what with no windshield, I won't be up there for very
>long stretches.
>Let's see.....weight.....weight...OH Yeah, I could fly naked, shave my head,
>chest, back, butt. Naaaaah, I'll stop at the back.
>I'll have to put some reeeeeal long legs on it for those skis, cause by now
>I can put a chevy 427 on it turning a C-130 prop. So keep your ol' stupid
>corvair engine. I'll see up there (when it's warm).
>rog
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Williamson Brian - brwill <Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
I have a question about riveting metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the
fiberglass tips to the Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to put
anything on the inside of the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or
will the rivet hold in fiberglass?
Brian Williamson
601XL - Collierville TN
brian.williamson@acxiom.com <mailto:brian.williamson@acxiom.com>
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<span
style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a question about riveting
metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the fiberglass tips to the
Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to put anything on the inside of
the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or will the rivet hold in
fiberglass?
<span
style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Brian Williamson
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>601XL <st1:place w:st"on"><st1:City w:st"on">Collierville</st1:City>
<st1:State w:st"on">TN</st1:State></st1:place>
<span style'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>brian.williamson@acxiom.com
<span style'font-size:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
OFF TOPIC - A bit long as well. Sorry, but I thought that this may be
helpful to some listers. ...neil
As a general comment on email lists, many email clients (the program you use
to read emails) have rules engines that can greatly help you zoom in on and
automatically sort specific information. At work I used to get about 1500
emails a week. Without email rules I'd never get any work done.
The rules are usually of the form CONDITION -> ACTION
The trick is to place the rules in the correct order since the rules engine
will stop processing when it has taken an action. Here is an example in a
pseudo style not unlike what you'd use in Lotus Notes:
Rule 1:
From contains "Zenith-List" and (Subject contains "XL"
or Subject contains "601") move to folder local/zenith/601
Rule 2:
From contains "Zenith-List" and (Body contains "XL"
or Body contains "601") move to folder local/zenith/601
Rule 3:
From contains "Zenith-List" and (Subject contains "701"
or Subject contains "801") move to folder local/zenith/stol
Rule 4:
From contains "Zenith-List" and (Body contains "701"
or Body contains "801") move to folder local/zenith/stol
Rule 5:
From contains "Zenith-List" and Body contains "slats"
move to folder local/zenith/stol
Rule 6:
From contains "Zenith-List" move to folder local/zenith/
The above rules are set up from the most specific to the least specific. If
the incoming email cannot be sorted but comes from the Zenith List, it goes
to the folder one level up. When you read it, you can drag it to the correct
folder (or delete it).
You can create, as I have, a subset duplicate of the above rules that deal
with the other matronics lists that you subscribe to. When you aren't
actively following the Aeroelectric list, RV list, Pietenpol list, for
example, you can simply empty the folders or keep the files on your local
hard disk to search through at your leisure.
If anyone wants some more information about setting up rules, I may be able
to help depending on your email client. Contact me off list.
..neil
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| Subject: | Re: riveting metal to fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Brian,
I've used pops flush into fiberglass, but would recommend putting a coat of
epoxy
inside if you can't get any aluminum behind. Try a sample joint first to
see what results.
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Williamson Brian - brwill" <Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: riveting metal to fiberglass
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Williamson Brian - brwill
> <Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
>
> I have a question about riveting metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the
> fiberglass tips to the Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to
> put
> anything on the inside of the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or
> will the rivet hold in fiberglass?
>
>
> Brian Williamson
>
> 601XL - Collierville TN
>
> brian.williamson@acxiom.com <mailto:brian.williamson@acxiom.com>
>
>
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> <span
> style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a question about riveting
> metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the fiberglass tips to the
> Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to put anything on the
> inside of
> the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or will the rivet hold in
> fiberglass?
>
>
> <span
> style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
>
>
> <span style'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial'>Brian Williamson
>
>
> <span style'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial'>601XL <st1:place w:st"on"><st1:City
> w:st"on">Collierville</st1:City>
> <st1:State w:st"on">TN</st1:State></st1:place>
>
>
> <span style'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial'>brian.williamson@acxiom.com
>
>
> <span style'font-size:
> 12.0pt'>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
>
> The information contained in this communication is
>
> confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient
>
> named above, and may be legally privileged.
>
> If the reader of this message is not the intended
>
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
>
> distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly
>
> prohibited.
>
> If you have received this communication in error,
>
> please re-send this communication to the sender and
>
> delete the original message or any copy of it from your
>
> computer system. Thank You.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | riveting metal to fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Brian
Since the instructions don't mention using anything it will probably be ok
just popping the rivet in there, but I didn't want to trust it. I used some
aluminum backup washers that I bought at Home Depot. You'll find them
around the pop rivet guns.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> I have a question about riveting metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the
> fiberglass tips to the Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to
put
> anything on the inside of the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or
> will the rivet hold in fiberglass?
>
>
> Brian Williamson
>
> 601XL - Collierville TN
>
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| Subject: | Re: riveting metal to fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Here's a photo of what I did.
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/6_29_03_Reinforcement.JPG
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lnk" <lnk@iowatelecom.net>
Cleone
Did you have a former life as a spammer?
L Kilburg
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return.
- Leonardo da Vinci
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: HD or XL?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
>
> Do you know any one who needs an engine?
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| Subject: | New position of fuel sender 701 tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com
I just got a look at the side mounted fuel sender (Revision 1.0 11/27/04)
and frankly I think I'll stay with the top mount. Any comments on this new
mounting? What about gasket seal & safety wire?
George
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DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
b=pTdUQdXCLnHVnjEpLYe4n8q3gVJ2Id9Q1IndeMVhbuOGYV53fN9Rgl82ow2QRSa8zAhP+VTt1OZMQ6+oKRDGL98GAmIanhrDNDugIIZKFUuUCBIwSSI/2FONqbbCGgYvBRoJRQj79NhsxGKGfBCvbOh7vtUyFm2qDaA4zMWLFxI=
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
I see Zaks, pegastol, and skyshop? and other kit
suppliers but how do you contact them?
Jim
--- Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell
> <cleone@rr1.net>
>
>
> Do you know any one who needs an engine?
> I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From
> William Wynne. This week I
> have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown
> last Sunday. The actual
> time on the engine is somewhat less because the
> electric tach runs anytime
> the master switch is on and during the last 3 years
> I have added a full
> panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit
> during testing as well
> as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't
> working very hard.
> $8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted
> on the 601 motor mount
> from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and
> spinner, cowling, log
> books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the
> cost. I am 200 miles
> south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry
> storage here.
> Cleone
>
> Cleone Markwell
> 513 East Main
> Casey, Illinois On US 70
> 217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
> >C
>
>
> At 06:07 PM 11/29/04, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter
> <howado@cwia.com>
> >
> >Frank Stutzman and others,
> >
> >the Pegastol wing kit costs $7680, including
> crating, slat jig, and
> >2-tank fuel system.
> >
> >the CH701 wing costs $4980, including crating, and
> 2-tank fuel system.
> >
> >I got these quotes from Dedalius last week, and
> from the ZAC Stol
> >Series binder.
> >
> > We are comparing apples and oranges here; these
> wings are not equal in
> >many respects.
> >
> >Howard Carter
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on the
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| Subject: | 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Hello thread, doing my last bit of painting on my XL and a problem arose when
I received the upholstered seats back. Background: I installed the ZAC duel
controls option as I was building the fuselage last summer. The location of
the brackets require that the two floor mounted fuel valves be pushed out board
to even get near them. Problem is the standard ZAC provided valve handles are
so far down that with a cushion seat you have to fish under the your left leg
to even get near it on the CIP side and only an NBA center could hope to
reach the passenger side valve. Anybody got a suggestion on how to modify these
valves so a normal guy could reach them? I brought this to Roger and Nick's
attention at ZAC, but as they have not yet even completed a XL with duel
controls themselves they were pretty HO HUM about the problem. Anybody else seen
and
solved this problem ? Bill of Georgia e-mail JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Cleone
19 messages each with a different subject but all with the same body
came in to my E-Mail box today from you!! I'm pretty sure that I'm not
alone and that you sent this to the whole Zenith List. An apology would
be nice at this point in time. I'm sure it was an accident and not
ruthless spamming!
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Fri Dec 03 at 12:14 PM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Anybody got a suggestion on how to modify these valves so a normal guy could
reach them?
<snip>
Bill,
Do away with the two floor mounted fuel valves. It is a Very Bad Idea. One
day you'll end up with them both in the wrong position (Off) at the wrong
time. It just isn't worth the risk. I've struggled hard to refine my fuel
system and one of the first choices was to put a regular selector in a
prominent position. If you are running a standard two tank (one in each
wing) configuration, buy a three-way fuel selector from VANs or Spruce (VANs
prices are good for stuff like this) and put it up on the centre console
under the panel. Alternatively, put it on the side of the centre console
near your right knee. Clearly label it. In your POH add a paragraph similar
to the wording in Supplement 4 of the Piper Cherokee manual about sumping
the gascolator twice (once in each selector position) with sufficient
quantity to ensure that contaminants are removed from the system.
Nick has published some updated fuel diagrams on the Zenith site. Check out
the updated diagram for 6-K-2 (it on the second page of the
fuel-system-2nd-ed.pdf file). I'll email it off-list direct to you because I
can't work out how to find it again on their web site let alone work out how
to describe to you how to find it (can't publish the URL directly because it
is inside the builders resources area of the site). Maybe also ask Nick what
fuel selector they are supplying now with the revised fuel system.
..neil
601XL/Corvair/Aux Tanks
Cincinnati
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| Subject: | Re: riveting metal to fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I put a thin washer on the inside to keep the upsetting part of the rivet
from pulling thru the fiberglass. No problem on a wingtip might require tape
on the tail ends.
Leo Corbalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Williamson Brian - brwill" <Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: riveting metal to fiberglass
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Williamson Brian - brwill
<Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
>
> I have a question about riveting metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the
> fiberglass tips to the Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to
put
> anything on the inside of the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or
> will the rivet hold in fiberglass?
>
>
> Brian Williamson
>
> 601XL - Collierville TN
>
> brian.williamson@acxiom.com <mailto:brian.williamson@acxiom.com>
>
>
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> <span
> style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a question about riveting
> metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the fiberglass tips to the
> Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to put anything on the
inside of
> the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or will the rivet hold in
> fiberglass?
>
>
> <span
> style'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
>
>
> <span style'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial'>Brian Williamson
>
>
> <span style'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial'>601XL <st1:place w:st"on"><st1:City
w:st"on">Collierville</st1:City>
> <st1:State w:st"on">TN</st1:State></st1:place>
>
>
> <span style'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial'>brian.williamson@acxiom.com
>
>
> <span style'font-size:
> 12.0pt'>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
>
> The information contained in this communication is
>
> confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient
>
> named above, and may be legally privileged.
>
> If the reader of this message is not the intended
>
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>
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>
> If you have received this communication in error,
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>
> delete the original message or any copy of it from your
>
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>
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| Subject: | Dual fuel pumps in XL wings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Greetings listers
I am installing a Facet pump in each wing with a check valve for each tank
to be located at the fuel selector valve and gasclator. The single pump that is
in ZAC design is being eliminated. My question is which Facet pump (GPH
wise) should be used with the Jabiru 3300? The plan is to have the option of left
pump, right pump or both pumps.
Read a lot of archives but always interested in the lists feedback.
Thanks
Joe Motis
601 XL
Jab 3300
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Or junk the fuel selector idea entirely and its simply adding a level of
complexity that is unecessary...If you are putting electric pumps in the
wing roots (and if your using auto fuel I would really REALLY recommend
you do that) then you can simply switch the pumps to switch
tanks...Easy, simply and avoids almost every possibility of vapour lock
Frank
Do not achive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nhulin
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
On Fri Dec 03 at 12:14 PM, JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Anybody got a suggestion on how to modify these valves so a normal guy
could reach them? <snip>
Bill,
Do away with the two floor mounted fuel valves. It is a Very Bad Idea.
One day you'll end up with them both in the wrong position (Off) at the
wrong time. It just isn't worth the risk. I've struggled hard to refine
my fuel system and one of the first choices was to put a regular
selector in a prominent position. If you are running a standard two tank
(one in each
wing) configuration, buy a three-way fuel selector from VANs or Spruce
(VANs prices are good for stuff like this) and put it up on the centre
console under the panel. Alternatively, put it on the side of the centre
console near your right knee. Clearly label it. In your POH add a
paragraph similar to the wording in Supplement 4 of the Piper Cherokee
manual about sumping the gascolator twice (once in each selector
position) with sufficient quantity to ensure that contaminants are
removed from the system.
Nick has published some updated fuel diagrams on the Zenith site. Check
out the updated diagram for 6-K-2 (it on the second page of the
fuel-system-2nd-ed.pdf file). I'll email it off-list direct to you
because I can't work out how to find it again on their web site let
alone work out how to describe to you how to find it (can't publish the
URL directly because it is inside the builders resources area of the
site). Maybe also ask Nick what fuel selector they are supplying now
with the revised fuel system.
..neil
601XL/Corvair/Aux Tanks
Cincinnati
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| Subject: | Re: Dual fuel pumps in XL wings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Also the engine pump is being retained.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi Frank
And just replace the fuel selector with an open shut valve with the check
valves Teed in right before it?
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi frank again,
What about the GPH of the Facet pumps?. I am worried about oversupplying the
engine pump and carb.
Joe
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
www.ch701.com has all the links you need. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Ferris" <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Costs
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
>
> I see Zaks, pegastol, and skyshop? and other kit
> suppliers but how do you contact them?
> Jim
> --- Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell
> > <cleone@rr1.net>
> >
> >
> > Do you know any one who needs an engine?
> > I am exchanging my Rotax 912 for a Corvair From
> > William Wynne. This week I
> > have removed my Rotax engine which was last flown
> > last Sunday. The actual
> > time on the engine is somewhat less because the
> > electric tach runs anytime
> > the master switch is on and during the last 3 years
> > I have added a full
> > panel to the plane and had the master on quite a bit
> > during testing as well
> > as the warm up time to 120 F oil temp. when it isn't
> > working very hard.
> > $8,350 will buy the whole thing still mounted
> > on the 601 motor mount
> > from Zenith, the coolant package, the warp drive and
> > spinner, cowling, log
> > books, owner manuals and operators manual; 1/2 the
> > cost. I am 200 miles
> > south of Chicago and now have it in a good dry
> > storage here.
> > Cleone
> >
> > Cleone Markwell
> > 513 East Main
> > Casey, Illinois On US 70
> > 217 932 2252 or cell 217 232 5864
> > >C
> >
> >
> > At 06:07 PM 11/29/04, you wrote:
> > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter
> > <howado@cwia.com>
> > >
> > >Frank Stutzman and others,
> > >
> > >the Pegastol wing kit costs $7680, including
> > crating, slat jig, and
> > >2-tank fuel system.
> > >
> > >the CH701 wing costs $4980, including crating, and
> > 2-tank fuel system.
> > >
> > >I got these quotes from Dedalius last week, and
> > from the ZAC Stol
> > >Series binder.
> > >
> > > We are comparing apples and oranges here; these
> > wings are not equal in
> > >many respects.
> > >
> > >Howard Carter
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on the
> > this
> > by the
> > Admin.
> > _->
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair on a CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Put PegaStol wings on it and you will have your 1200 lbs. Larry N1345L
www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair on a CH701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jake Reyna" <jake@lockhart-tx.com>
>
> .... and in other posts I've stated that in my opinion the Corvair is too
> heavy for the 701. It's the Gross Weight that bothers me. I actually think
> that the 701 will perform very well with the Corvair and I look forward to
> seeing real world performance numbers.
>
> The empty weight of a 701 with the Rotax 912 is about 580 lbs, with a
> Corvair the empty weight will be in the 630 lb range. That leaves a 470 lb
> useful load. Two standard FAA passengers, 350 lbs, fuel 120 lbs and there
> goes the useful load. The Kitfox 7 has a 1550 lb gross weight, probably
660
> useful with a Corvair, so the heavy engine isn't an issue.
>
> I talk about doing all sorts of weird things to the 701, but Chris Heintz
is
> significantly more qualified when it comes to aircraft design and
> performance. If Chris Heintz were to bump the Gross Weight of the 701 to
> 1200 lbs, then I would happily put a Corvair on the front. And nothing
would
> make me happier than to use a Corvair :-)
>
> Jake
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: riveting metal to fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi,
I agree with the idea of placing an aluminum washer on the backside of
the fiberglass when you rivet it. I found aluminum washers at my local
hardware store and they were quite thick and pricey so I went home and
got my hand punch and punched a bunch of rivet size holes in a sheet of
.020 aluminum, then used a larger size die in the hole punch and
centered it on the smaller hole and punched a lot of washers. They are
cheap and lighter than the commercial ones. The punch runs from $15
to $18 at Harbor Freight.
Ron DeWees
Leo J. Corbalis wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I put a thin washer on the inside to keep the upsetting part of the rivet
>from pulling thru the fiberglass. No problem on a wingtip might require tape
>on the tail ends.
>
>Leo Corbalis
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Williamson Brian - brwill" <Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: riveting metal to fiberglass
>
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Williamson Brian - brwill
>>
>>
><Brian.Williamson@acxiom.com>
>
>
>>I have a question about riveting metal to fiberglass. I am riveting the
>>fiberglass tips to the Stabilizer/Elevator and want to know if I need to
>>
>>
>put
>
>
>>anything on the inside of the fiberglass tip or backside of the rivet? Or
>>will the rivet hold in fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 12/3/04 6:13 PM, Joemotis@aol.com at Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>
> Hi frank again,
>
> What about the GPH of the Facet pumps?. I am worried about oversupplying the
> engine pump and carb.
>
> Joe
>
As I recall, you need a pump that will deliver at least three times the
maximum burn rate of the engine. Other than that, GPH isn't the issue, psi
is. When the pressure in the line reaches the a certain value, the facet
pump will stop pumping. You need to select the pump that will deliver fuel
at the pressure that the carb wants to see. Remember that the engine driven
pump will add its pressure to the pressure delivered by the electric pump.
You will probably want to select a facet pump that will deliver a bit over
the minimum pressure the carb needs and make sure the additional pressure
from the engine driven pump wont exceed the maximum pressure the carb wants.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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