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1. 01:03 AM - Croake who? (Howard Carter)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? (Bob Miller)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? (Larry Martin)
4. 06:49 AM - PegaStol Wing Building Process (Larry Martin)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: Riveting into fiberglass (Brandon Tucker)
6. 10:06 AM - Re: Email lists in general (was: New 601XL e-mail (Ray Montagne)
7. 10:06 AM - Re: Croake who? (Cleone Markwell)
8. 01:08 PM - Re: Croake who? (Howard Carter)
9. 01:56 PM - Re: Croake who? ()
10. 02:19 PM - Re: Croake who? (Robert Schoenberger)
11. 03:49 PM - Jon Croake (Rowland137@cs.com)
12. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Tim & Diane Shankland)
13. 07:07 PM - HDS Tailwheel plans (Brandon Tucker)
14. 07:11 PM - Lower fairing on the rudder (Matt & Jo)
15. 07:21 PM - Re: Lower fairing on the rudder (Bill Steer)
16. 07:24 PM - Re: Lower fairing on the rudder (Randy Stout)
17. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Riveting into fiberglass (Larry Martin)
18. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: Riveting into fiberglass (Lance Gingell)
19. 08:54 PM - Re: Fw: alternate engines CH701 (Cleone Markwell)
20. 09:11 PM - Seeking fuel gage recommendations (MElrod3732@aol.com)
21. 09:27 PM - Re: Seeking fuel gage recommendations (Jack Russell)
22. 10:00 PM - Re: Seeking fuel gage recommendations (John Williamson)
23. 10:36 PM - Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit (MElrod3732@aol.com)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Matt, suggest you block this Croake guy (if that's his real name).
Howard Carter
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| Subject: | Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
I didn't count 'em, but 19 sounds about right.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Do you know any one who needs an engine??
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
>
> Cleone
>
> 19 messages each with a different subject but all with the same body
> came in to my E-Mail box today from you!! I'm pretty sure that I'm not
> alone and that you sent this to the whole Zenith List. An apology would
> be nice at this point in time. I'm sure it was an accident and not
> ruthless spamming!
>
> Mark Townsend
> Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
> Osprey 2 serial # 751
> www.ch601.org
> www.Osprey2.com
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Do you know any one who needs an engine?? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
I got them too. A little off subject, I kill them before they get to my
computer. I use a program called mailwasher, it allows you to look at your
e-mail at your ISP server level before it is downloaded to your computer.
Allows delete, blacklist, bounce and more. After you check off what you
want to do, you click on process e-mail and only those that you want will be
downloaded to your computer. It save you a ton of download time. Its free,
if you want to put up with a little advertising, It's $29, if I remember
right, if you want the full no-advertising version. I highly recommend it.
I might add, that it is very easy to use. It can be found at
www.mailwasher.net. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Do you know any one who needs an engine??
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
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> I didn't count 'em, but 19 sounds about right.
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Do you know any one who needs an engine??
>
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> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Cleone
> >
> > 19 messages each with a different subject but all with the same body
> > came in to my E-Mail box today from you!! I'm pretty sure that I'm not
> > alone and that you sent this to the whole Zenith List. An apology would
> > be nice at this point in time. I'm sure it was an accident and not
> > ruthless spamming!
> >
> > Mark Townsend
> > Alma, Ontario
> > Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
> > Osprey 2 serial # 751
> > www.ch601.org
> > www.Osprey2.com
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | PegaStol Wing Building Process |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
For those of you who are interested in PegaStol wings. I have started documenting
the building process on my site. It is about 2/3s down on the first page,
titled "PegaStol Wing Building Process".
I only have a couple of pages, I am trying to add a page a day until I catch up
with where I am on the actual building, then it may slow way down. If you see
any errors such as typos or have suggestions, please e-mail me and I will fix
the errors and consider the suggestions.
My e-mail is lrm@isp.com, make sure you put something in the subject matter otherwise
I use mailwasher and may zap them before I read them.
Larry N1345L
My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | RE: Riveting into fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
I decided to try riveting straight into the
wingtip pieces, and found that it worked fine. The
other ideas posted on this subject are very good ones,
and lightweight insurance is always good, but if you
just decide to rivet them in without backing, it will
work fine.
Respectfully,
Brandon
HDS wings / tail done
center wing almost done
working on aft fuse
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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list)
| Subject: | Re: Email lists in general (was: New 601XL e-mail |
list)
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 12/2/04 8:02 PM, "Gary Craze" <garycraze@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest issues with traditional email lists is that people either A)
> don't want the 50+ emails clogging their inbox every day, or B) don't
> want to have to sift through a mind-numbing digest dump.
Why not create a list on lists and cut the 50+ emails in half?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Fuselage Under Construction
NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include
the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' in the subject line will be
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
I don't know you Howard Carter, but I know Jon Croke and he is one of the
nicest guys I have met in this flying game. He just bought my Rotax 912
which I listed for sale yesterday. And he paid cash and will be driving
all day to get home. It is sad to see such little respect. Cleone
At 02:42 AM 12/4/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
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>Matt, suggest you block this Croake guy (if that's his real name).
>Howard Carter
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Cleone,
maybe it was you who plugged the list with 20 bogus messages yesterday.
If so, my message was directed to you, not Jon Croke, who did not have
anything to do with the spam-like messaging.
How did you do it ? Are you aware that your message was repeated about
20 times with unrelated subjects from other messages? And the sender
was identified as "Croake Markwell". Those of us who have been hit with
spam overloads and phishing are likely to overreact whenever this happens.
Howard Carter
Cleone Markwell wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
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>
>I don't know you Howard Carter, but I know Jon Croke and he is one of the
>nicest guys I have met in this flying game. He just bought my Rotax 912
>which I listed for sale yesterday. And he paid cash and will be driving
>all day to get home. It is sad to see such little respect. Cleone
>
>
>At 02:42 AM 12/4/04, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
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>>Matt, suggest you block this Croake guy (if that's his real name).
>>Howard Carter
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Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:53:47 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Everybody, STOP and take a breath!!! ****ing in each others' shoes does not get
airplanes built. Mistakes happen. Ignore them and press on. The amount of time
and energy spent on recriminations, and who-said-what could be better spent
on another part cut and fitted, or a line of rivets accomplished. Let's remember
our purpose in even being on this list, and STAY ON TASK.
Paul Rodriguez
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Carter<mailto:howado@cwia.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Croake who?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com<mailto:howado@cwia.com>>
Cleone,
maybe it was you who plugged the list with 20 bogus messages yesterday.
If so, my message was directed to you, not Jon Croke, who did not have
anything to do with the spam-like messaging.
How did you do it ? Are you aware that your message was repeated about
20 times with unrelated subjects from other messages? And the sender
was identified as "Croake Markwell". Those of us who have been hit with
spam overloads and phishing are likely to overreact whenever this happens.
Howard Carter
Cleone Markwell wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net<mailto:cleone@rr1.net>>
>
>
>I don't know you Howard Carter, but I know Jon Croke and he is one of the
>nicest guys I have met in this flying game. He just bought my Rotax 912
>which I listed for sale yesterday. And he paid cash and will be driving
>all day to get home. It is sad to see such little respect. Cleone
>
>
>At 02:42 AM 12/4/04, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com<mailto:howado@cwia.com>>
>>
>>Matt, suggest you block this Croake guy (if that's his real name).
>>Howard Carter
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
I ditto this message. Jon is one of the good guys and is always willing to
pitch in with good advice, both on the list and off-list. He is also an
inspiration because of his attitude to an earlier event which would have
caused many of us to chuck the whole business of building planes. Robert
Schoenberger 701 do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cleone Markwell" <cleone@rr1.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Croake who?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
>
>
> I don't know you Howard Carter, but I know Jon Croke and he is one of the
> nicest guys I have met in this flying game. He just bought my Rotax 912
> which I listed for sale yesterday. And he paid cash and will be driving
> all day to get home. It is sad to see such little respect. Cleone
>
>
> At 02:42 AM 12/4/04, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
>>
>>Matt, suggest you block this Croake guy (if that's his real name).
>>Howard Carter
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rowland137@cs.com
Jon Croake has been a great inspiration and always answers his e-mail when I
need a boost with my 701. Now back to building.
Norm in Nevada
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tim & Diane Shankland <tshank@megsinet.net>
There is an aspect of mechanical engine fuel pumps that is often not
considered. They are not additive for fuel pressure. Most engine driven
pumps do not pump on the "power stroke" from the engine. That is when
the engine pulls the diaphragm down it does not pumps fuel out, it
compresses a spring. When the power stroke is done the spring forces the
fuel out, so the pressure from the pump is determined by the spring.
This is because it it pumped on the power stoke the pressure would
overwhelm the carb. Since the output pressure of the mechanical pump is
determined by its' spring it is not additive. That is why low wing
aircraft with both an engine driven pump and an electric "boast pump"
have no problem with over pressure.
Tim Shankland
Bryan Martin wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
>on 12/3/04 6:13 PM, Joemotis@aol.com at Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
>>
>>Hi frank again,
>>
>>What about the GPH of the Facet pumps?. I am worried about oversupplying the
>>engine pump and carb.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>As I recall, you need a pump that will deliver at least three times the
>maximum burn rate of the engine. Other than that, GPH isn't the issue, psi
>is. When the pressure in the line reaches the a certain value, the facet
>pump will stop pumping. You need to select the pump that will deliver fuel
>at the pressure that the carb wants to see. Remember that the engine driven
>pump will add its pressure to the pressure delivered by the electric pump.
>You will probably want to select a facet pump that will deliver a bit over
>the minimum pressure the carb needs and make sure the additional pressure
>from the engine driven pump wont exceed the maximum pressure the carb wants.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HDS Tailwheel plans |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Gents,
Is there a tailwheel suppliment for the HD/HDS?
I am looking through my stuff, and can find nothing
about the tailwheel installation.
If so, does anyone have an electronic copy?? The guy
I bought the plans from was not planning on a
taildragger.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Lower fairing on the rudder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Hello all, Quick question.
Looking at the photo assembly manual it looks like you should not attach the lower
fairing on the rudder till some point later. I have been looking through
the plans and the assembly manual and can not seem to find out when to attach
it. Does any one know why it should be left off till later?
Cheers
Matt
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: Lower fairing on the rudder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
It has to clear the aft end of the fuselage. In fact, the side skins may
need to be trimmed to give some clearance for it. Don't rivet that part of
the rudder until the rudder is trial fit to the fuselage and the fairing is
fit at that time.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Lower fairing on the rudder
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
>
> Hello all, Quick question.
>
> Looking at the photo assembly manual it looks like you should not attach
the lower fairing on the rudder till some point later. I have been looking
through the plans and the assembly manual and can not seem to find out when
to attach it. Does any one know why it should be left off till later?
>
> Cheers
>
> Matt
> 601 XL
>
>
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| Subject: | Lower fairing on the rudder |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I would wait until you are ready to mount the rudder to the fuselage. You
will most likely have to make some adjustments to the fairing to get proper
clearance from the fuselage skin. Plus you will have to cut out a spot to
allow you to put the bolts in place.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> Looking at the photo assembly manual it looks like you should not attach
the lower fairing on the rudder till some point later. I have been looking
through the plans and the assembly manual and can not seem to find out when
to attach it. Does any one know why it should be left off till later?
>
> Cheers
>
> Matt
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Riveting into fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
As long as you are reviting a non-stress part you Might be ok, but why not
do it right? Those little washers that you can get at Lowe's Aircraft
supply don't cost much. It really is best to put some kind of metal
backing. They will eventually work out. I've done a ton of fiberglassing.
Trust me on this one. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Tucker" <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Riveting into fiberglass
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
>
> Gents,
>
> I decided to try riveting straight into the
> wingtip pieces, and found that it worked fine. The
> other ideas posted on this subject are very good ones,
> and lightweight insurance is always good, but if you
> just decide to rivet them in without backing, it will
> work fine.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Brandon
>
> HDS wings / tail done
> center wing almost done
> working on aft fuse
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Riveting into fiberglass |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
I just snipped out some from a little thin scrap, drilled through it and
riveted that on when I did my wingtip strobes. It took all of about 30
seconds, and didn't require any shopping!
..lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Martin
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Riveting into fiberglass
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
As long as you are reviting a non-stress part you Might be ok, but why
not do it right? Those little washers that you can get at Lowe's
Aircraft supply don't cost much. It really is best to put some kind of
metal backing. They will eventually work out. I've done a ton of
fiberglassing.
Trust me on this one. Larry N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: alternate engines CH701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell <cleone@rr1.net>
Nice web site. Cleone
At 01:58 PM 11/30/04, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
>
>
>Well, that was quick response....
>
>we now have pictures from more alternate engine 701 builders, to now include
>a SUZUKI and a CORVAIR in progress.
>
>They are in no particular order.. I'm putting the most recent submissions at
>the top of the page.
>
>These, I think, are our true 701 pioneers!!
>
>Thanks!
>www.CH701.com
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
> >
> > Alternate engines for the 701???
> >
> > We have started a page just for that purpose at www.CH701.com thanks to
> > Winston Ellis who has installed a Geo Metro with Raven redrive... check
> > out his pictures under 'Alternate Engines' . I need to collect up all the
> > previous pictures (thanks Larry M.) on this subject and post them together
> > on this page.
> >
> > BTW, the new front page picture for this website was submitted by Dave
> > Smith... this could be a picture post card for 701 marketing! What do you
> > think?!
> >
> > As always, send in your pictures, they'll eventually make it on!
> >
> > colder in Green Bay, WI,
> >
> > Jon
> > moderator@CH701.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Seeking fuel gage recommendations |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
I am preparing the fuel tank for installation for my CH-701 and I need to
purchase 2 fuel gages to check the calibration of the VDO fuel sender. I would
like to get some recommendations on what type and brand of fuel gage others
have used that work well and a good place to buy them. I am only looking for
fuel gages and not a complete engine gage package.
Thanks in advance,
Mike Elrod 701 tail done, right wing 70%
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Mike: I just picked up a couple of VDO guages from http://www.egauges.com/
They have several different models to match the ohm's of your senders. I got the
backlighted type. I could have used my EIS for fuel but I had some blank dash
space. Jack in Clovis CA
MElrod3732@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
I am preparing the fuel tank for installation for my CH-701 and I need to
purchase 2 fuel gages to check the calibration of the VDO fuel sender. I would
like to get some recommendations on what type and brand of fuel gage others
have used that work well and a good place to buy them. I am only looking for
fuel gages and not a complete engine gage package.
Thanks in advance,
Mike Elrod 701 tail done, right wing 70%
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <stol_airplane@comcast.net>
I have the ZAC furnished VDO fuel gauges as extra and available for sale.
Contact me off list for details.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 702 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 clarity of manual and quality of parts for kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
Hi Larry: What "CD" are you referring to? Is there a CD available with
color construction pictures for the 701?
Thanks, Mike Elrod
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