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1. 12:03 AM - Wing trailing edge (Dirk Slabbert)
2. 02:18 AM - 2004 List of Contributors - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
3. 05:17 AM - XL trim authority with full flap (Grant Corriveau)
4. 05:32 AM - Re: Wing trailing edge (Hal Rozema)
5. 05:49 AM - Re: Wing trailing edge (Ed Kramer)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Fuel pump operation (was 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem ) (Bob Miller)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Dual fuel pumps in XL wings (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 09:24 AM - XL trim authority with full flap (norman)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: XL trim authority with full flap (Bryan Martin)
11. 09:30 AM - Re: XL trim authority with full flap (Bryan Martin)
12. 09:53 AM - Re: Questions about Dynon EFIS D-10? (Jeffrey J Paris)
13. 10:00 AM - Re: Questions about Dynon EFIS D-10? (Jeffrey J Paris)
14. 12:13 PM - elt location aft (Jack Russell)
15. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Jeff Small)
16. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Mornin 701 builders,
Got the skins cleco'ed now, but worried about getting the trailing edge perfectly
straight, does anyone have advise on how to do this right the first time?
Drilling out solid rivets is not my idea of fun!
I thought about clamping on 2 wooden beams, but then how do you set the rivets?
The book says set with rivet sqeezer, but i dont want to chance this, just now
its out when I'm finished?
Thanks,
Dirk.
701 # 5228 Kit.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
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Aldrich, Scott
Alexander, George
Aller, Daniel
Alley, Brian
Amos, Paul
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Edward
Anthony, Bruce
Applefeld, Gerald
Applegate, William
Arbeitman, Gordon
Archer, Matt
Ashcraft, Keith
Ashford, James
Austin, Peter
Ayers, Jim
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Bailey, Rick
Baker, Jim
Baker, Mike
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Baker, Victor
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Baldwin, James
Ballard, Jerry
Ballenger, James
Banes, John
Banyai, Michael
Barnes, Tom
Barnett, W.Mark
Barrie, Darwin
Barter, Tom
Basiliere, Rick
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BauerJr, Fred
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beauchamp, Norm
Beene, Kenneth
Bell, Bruce
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Bergh, Dave
Bernard, William
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Bertelli, John
Berthet, Andre
Bertz, Gary
Bettmeng, Rick
Bezzard, Richard
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Bikle, Alan
Bish, Dan
Blackwell, Charles
Blackwell, Jimmie
Blake, James
Boardman, Don
Bockelman, David
Boetto, Steve
Bonds, Kevin
Boothe, Gary
Booze, George
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Borne, Chuck
Bothe, Andreas
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowden, Terry
Bowen, Larry
Bowhay, Eustance
Bowman, John
Boyd, Don
Boyer, James
Brame, Charles
Brandt, Leroy
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Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Brick, John
Briggs, Tracy
Brooks, John
Brooks, Sterling
Broom, Richard
Brown, David
Brown, Ken
Brown, Kent
Brown, Robert
Brunke, John
Bryan, Mark
Bryan, Tim
Bryant, Geoff
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Buchanan, Sam
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Buess, Alfred
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Burden, Ronald
Burke, James
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Burrill, Phil
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Butcher, Jim
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Butler, Sherman
Butler, Thomas
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
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Cann, Robert
Cannon, Paul
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Cantrell, Kenneth
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Salvatore
Carlton, Raymond
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carroll, Randy
Carter, David
Carter, Howard
Cary, William
Celestre, Rich
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Leslie
Chandler, Rick
Chatham, Bob
Chenoweth, William
Chevaillier, Mason
Ciolino, John
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clay, Dennis
Clayton, James
Clement, Jim
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Coalwell, Timothy
Cochran, Stewart
Cockrell, Alan
Coggins, Mickey
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Collins, Bob
Colucci, Tony
Combs, Doyle
Compton, Scott
Condrey, Bob
Conkling, J.Michael
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Constant, Jeremy
Cook, Craig
Cook, Doug
Cooley, John
Cooper, James
Copeland, Garrett
Corbalis, .Leo
Corbett, Claude
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
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Cottingham, Richard
Cottrell, Larry
Coursey, William
Courtney, James
Cox, JimL.
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Craze, Gary
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Crimm, Steve
Crockett, James
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Dalstrom, Douglas
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Danclovic, Paul
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Davies, Brian
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Davis, Peter
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Time: 11:19:52 PM PST US
> From: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Zenith-List: XL trim authority with full flap
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
> The first two XL's now undergoing test flying in the UK (none are on the
> .., will not trim out with full flap and the stick has to be pulled
> back to fly straight and level.
Why would you need this? I suspect that many aircraft will NOT trim out to
straight and level flight with full flaps. Full flaps are not intended for
straight and level flight.
Does it trim to minimum approach speed on a reasonable descent to the
runway? Unless I'm missing something I can't see the need...
Having said that -- can you give more authority in the desired direction by
taking some from the other end? I.e. the aircraft doesn't need to be
trimmable above max. cruise speed. If there's still more trim available on
that end, consider adjusting the neutral point towards 'nose up'? fwiw
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Wing trailing edge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Hal Rozema <hartist1@cox.net>
Dirk Slabbert wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
>Mornin 701 builders,
>Got the skins cleco'ed now, but worried about getting the trailing edge perfectly
straight, does anyone have advise on how to do this right the first time?
>Drilling out solid rivets is not my idea of fun!
>I thought about clamping on 2 wooden beams, but then how do you set the rivets?
>The book says set with rivet sqeezer, but i dont want to chance this, just now
its out when I'm finished?
>Thanks,
>Dirk.
>701 # 5228 Kit.
>
>
Hi Dirk:
I placed a piece of good straight wood the length of the wing, 2x2 or
2x4, and clamped it all down to my work bench being careful that the
upper skin laid flat. Then I drilled for rivet locations through into
the wood. I started in the center and worked out each way , one right
and one left, picking about every third or fourth location first.
Drilled the hole and inserted a clecco right into the wood which clamps
it all to the wood. The skins lay absolutely flat and without a bulge
between. Then progressively drill and clecco for the balance of the
rivets. Next, remove the cleccos to remove the wood and re-clecco . It
should still remain dead flat and straight without the wood support.
Proceed with the squeezed rivets. Mine came out eyeball straight and
true which is as good as I need for my 701.
Hal Rozema
ThePlaneFolks.Net
VSTOL CH701/3300
N701PF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Wing trailing edge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ed Kramer" <edair701@adelphia.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing trailing edge
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
> <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Mornin 701 builders,
> Got the skins cleco'ed now, but worried about getting the trailing edge
> perfectly straight, does anyone have advise on how to do this right the
> first time?
Dirk,
Assuming your talking about the wings. Clamp the trailing edge together
with a piece of wood (1x3) on the under side making sure it's flat to the
angled edge of the skin. This will help keep it ridged. You want to make
sure the trailing edge is flat. Place a straight edge along the top side at
the trailing edge to be sure it is flat, not that the edge is flush, but the
top is flat all the way along & reclamp. Don't try to bend the trailing
edge up or down to make it flush. Any areas that are uneven can be filed
flush later. Then, you can start drilling the pilot holes right into the
wood & cleco through the skins into the wood. After it's riveted you can
file the trailing edges flush.
Ed Kramer
West Seneca, NY
CH 701
edair701@adelphia.net
Build Status: Just getting started again!
Completed: Rudder, Left wing, Right wing.
Working On: Flaperons 50%
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump operation (was 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control |
problem )
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Thanks for describing how the mechanical fuel pump works, it is helpful to
know that it doesn't add to pressure it receives.
If fuel from the aux pump goes into the mechanical pump, what keeps a
failure of the mechanical pump from blocking fuel to the carby?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yup thats pretty much it Joe.
What I did was to put the gasolator just in front of the spar on the
floor (between the rudder cables) and use that as the tee..(drains thru
the floor).
The chck valves go befor the gascolator and the pumps go in the wing
root at the discharge of the tank. I also put a filter on the DISCHARGe
of each pump.
Junk the engine driven pump, that just encourages vapour lock and over
pressurises the carbs.....This is what I have been flying with for 350
hours now.
Frank
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Hi Frank
And just replace the fuel selector with an open shut valve with the
check
valves Teed in right before it?
Joe
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| Subject: | Dual fuel pumps in XL wings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Nope!
Frank...:)
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dual fuel pumps in XL wings
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Joemotis@aol.com
Also the engine pump is being retained.
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| Subject: | XL trim authority with full flap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
Thank you for your reply Grant, I am sorry but I misled you, I do not mean level
flight but on the approach, my elevator trim tab has a full travel of 57 degrees
- 22 up and 35 down so there is really no further down travel available.(Nose
up)
The pressure required to keep on the glide path is not great but most aircraft
I have flown can be trimmed on the approach with full flap.
The PFA who issue (hopefully!) my permit to fly feel this is not as it should be.
Cheers,
Norman
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| Subject: | Re: XL trim authority with full flap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 12/6/04 2:18 AM, norman at normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Does anyone have a problem when full flap is selected in trimming the nose
> down tendency on the Zenair Zodiac CH601 XL?
> The first two XL's now undergoing test flying in the UK (none are on the
> register at present) will not trim out with full flap and the stick has to be
> pulled back to fly straight and level.
>
> Anyone else had this problem and have you fixed it?
>
> Regards,
>
> Norman Butcher
At first my 601 XL wouldn't trim out even with no flaps. The first thing I
did was to duct tape an extension on the trim tab to see what it would take
to trim it out. With the tab nearly doubled in size it would trim out but it
still took most of the trim travel. This was at a forward CG. After this I
raised the rear of the horizontal stabilizer half an inch by replacing the
rear attach brackets. Now, with the original trim tab, I can trim it out for
zero flaps throughout the CG range and with up to about 10 degrees of flaps
at aft CG. I still can't trim it out at full flaps. I may rivet a sheet of
aluminum to the trim tab to extend it beyond the trailing edge in the future
if the problem irritates me enough. It would be nice to not have to hold a
lot of aft stick force on final approach to a short runway, it would reduce
the workload during a critical time. I don't really need the flaps most of
the time, I can usually get it down and stopped in about 500 feet without
them.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
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| Subject: | Re: XL trim authority with full flap |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 12/6/04 8:12 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
>> Time: 11:19:52 PM PST US
>> From: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
>> Subject: Zenith-List: XL trim authority with full flap
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "norman" <normskiroo@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>> The first two XL's now undergoing test flying in the UK (none are on the
>> .., will not trim out with full flap and the stick has to be pulled
>> back to fly straight and level.
>
> Why would you need this? I suspect that many aircraft will NOT trim out to
> straight and level flight with full flaps. Full flaps are not intended for
> straight and level flight.
>
> Does it trim to minimum approach speed on a reasonable descent to the
> runway? Unless I'm missing something I can't see the need...
>
If you want to fly as slow as possible without pointing the nose at the sky
for aerial photography, sight seeing or maybe a search mission, it would be
nice to have that ability. Although a high wing plane would be better suited
for these missions. I know every Cessna I've ever flown can be trimmed out
at full flaps right down to near stall speed.
Perhaps the British rules require it.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about Dynon EFIS D-10? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
Thanks a bunch! HappyHolidays and back to wiring!
Jeff
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Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Questions about Dynon EFIS D-10?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Jeff,
The Dynon D-10 has a built in altitude encoder and outputs this in standard
gray code
used by most transponders(11 wires).
The new Dynon D-10A also has a built in altitude encoder but it is a serial
output only
(1 wire). You would need a newer transponder such as the Garmin GTX327 to
use the
encoder.
If you have your transponder already hooked up to a separate encoder you can
just leave it like that and install your dynon.
The dynon will not use your existing encoder for anything and does not need
an external encoder for any of its functions.
The dynon has an encoder built in it for its own use and for output to your
transponder.
If you have the newer dynon D10A and an older transponder you wouldn't be
able to use the dynon encoder for that transponder anyway.
If the transponder and the dynon are compatable you could wire your dynon <br
>encoder output to the transponder and sell your existing encoder.
Using the soft keys on the dynon, you can set the barometric pressure
manually.
Hope this helps.
Brian Unruh
Long Island ( Installing a dynon)
>My first question revolves around the wiring that pertains to the Altitude
Encoder?
>What's going on there?
>Anyones thoughts, opinions and insight would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for
>your time and consideration, this list is great!
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about Dynon EFIS D-10? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
Thanks a great deal! I appreciate the help! Happy holidays!
Jeff
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Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Questions about Dynon EFIS D-10?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Winston Ellis <w1mdi@cox-internet.com>
Yes. The Dynon includes an encoder that you can hook up to the transponder but
since you already have an encoder you don't need that function. This will simplify
your wiring harness. The Dynon does have barometric adjustment for the altimeter.
Jeffrey J Paris wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
> ... Lastly, am I overthinking this thing and should I just forget the hook-up
and live with the fact that the unit will not be adjusted for barometic pressure?
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| Subject: | elt location aft |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Hello folks: How is your weight and balance working out on the XL's? I got a ameri-
king 450 elt ( a fairly heavy unit with the D cell's) and would like to
put it in the tail if it won't sent the CG to far aft. I am a little worried about
the jabiru engine being a little light for the design of the airframe. I
do have an oddsey battery on the firewall. As always, I appreciate you input.
Jack in Clovis cA
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:38:55 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Never, never, never junk the mechanical pump on a Jabiru!!!! The info below
came from someone who has little knowledge of Jabiru engines, in fact he thinks
they're tested below sea level. The spring in the Jabiru mechanical pump is
customized for the engine. You can pump through it if it fails, just ask USJabiru
or Andy at SunCoast. A Jab is not like a Subaru/Stratus, which does not
come with a fuel pump. I'll resist the urge to say more but add that the US
factory distributors know more about their products than do the various opinions
on an e-mail builders list. Ask the people who know.
regards jeff
>Junk the engine driven pump, that just encourages vapour lock and over
>pressurises the carbs.....This is what I have been flying with for 350
>hours now.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
My applogies but I did not see the engine was a Jab. The Rotax and the
Stratus use the same bing carb which can be a problem when you have two
pumps in series (low wing pump and the engine pump) because the pressure
can overcome the float needle. So to junk the engine driven pump on a
Rotax is perfectly OK...becuse it has Bing carbs.
The problem with an engine driven pump is that it is prone to heating
and if it is used on a low wing plane with auto fuel with no low point
pump it is a prime candidate for vapour lock.
If your engine has some other form of fuel metering that is fuel
pressure dependant (MOST carbs do not care what the pressure is as long
as it does not overcome the float needle) then of course you need some
way to accuratly deliver that pressure.
My point was intended to demonstrate that a engine driven pump only is a
poor way to do it.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Fuel Valve and duel control problem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
Never, never, never junk the mechanical pump on a Jabiru!!!! The info
below came from someone who has little knowledge of Jabiru engines, in
fact he thinks they're tested below sea level. The spring in the Jabiru
mechanical pump is customized for the engine. You can pump through it
if it fails, just ask USJabiru or Andy at SunCoast. A Jab is not like a
Subaru/Stratus, which does not come with a fuel pump. I'll resist the
urge to say more but add that the US factory distributors know more
about their products than do the various opinions on an e-mail builders
list. Ask the people who know.
regards jeff
>Junk the engine driven pump, that just encourages vapour lock and
over
>pressurises the carbs.....This is what I have been flying with for
350
>hours now.
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