---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/13/04: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:25 AM - Re: PegaStol Service openings (Rick Morawski) 2. 05:41 AM - re 701 mount (roy vickski) 3. 06:10 AM - Re: PegaStol Service openings (Larry Martin) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: re 701 mount (Larry Martin) 5. 10:25 AM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (Kent Brown) 6. 11:10 AM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (Bryan Martin) 7. 11:28 AM - XL Trim authority with full flap () 8. 11:31 AM - Radio/Intercom Hook-up (Jeffrey J Paris) 9. 12:57 PM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (Fly Boy) 10. 01:06 PM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (David Barth) 11. 01:39 PM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (Michel Therrien) 12. 01:42 PM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (Kent Brown) 13. 02:15 PM - Re: Radio/Intercom Hook-up (Sigmo@aol.com) 14. 02:18 PM - Re: XL Front Fork Doubler (Fly Boy) 15. 02:19 PM - Re: ch601 HDS Nose Gear Bungees (Dan Knezacek) 16. 04:39 PM - Re: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter (Matt & Jo) 17. 04:56 PM - Re: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 18. 06:49 PM - Other Costs (Cdngoose) 19. 07:59 PM - Re: Other Costs (Ken Stone) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:22 AM PST US From: "Rick Morawski" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: PegaStol Service openings --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski" Hi Larry, I never had any trouble getting them little covers out. Just grab them with your fingernails and lift them clear a bit and then slide to one side til the clip lets go of the other side. Not a problem. I guess our inspection details are different in Australia but I left mine off for inspection. Rick Morawski morawski@highway1.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Zenith-List: PegaStol Service openings > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > On the PegaStol wings there are a total of 24 little round service doors. I installed one the other day and had a hell'vu time getting it back out. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:42 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Wu2O71wIg+utZoyYpDYCNxjdshnF22JdNVu8Qq3K+kIgfbkcv20xs9+dIKKAeV5AB/I0GLRyudbSi12GsjaTdjQNloPZaPmpZVP4iZwCP06jiMUJkYttFIrvkZ21RAkAPYmTwk+A0J3i7eYPEQvMyU84RoVopfjM3bETjaR6gKk= ; From: roy vickski Subject: Zenith-List: re 701 mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski Dave, I'm viewing the crankshaft centerline from the seat with the prophub on the aircraft centerline. Rotation is CCW. Sorry for the confusion. It seems to me the more downthrust one has the more the airframe will be pitch sensitive to power changes? Makes one leary of fabbing up a finnished cowl, I think I will leave extra room around the hub (and everywhere else) so I can jack up the rear of the motor if flight testing dictates or if ZAC carves the spec in stone. Still curious Regards Roy __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:10 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: PegaStol Service openings --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" I tried that and couldn't get my nails under them. Guess this means I have to quit biting my nails, Larry N1345L P.S., I don't but keep them cut real short. Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Morawski" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: PegaStol Service openings > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Morawski" > > Hi Larry, > I never had any trouble getting them little covers out. Just grab them with > your fingernails and lift them clear a bit and then slide to one side til > the clip lets go of the other side. Not a problem. > I guess our inspection details are different in Australia but I left mine > off for inspection. > > Rick Morawski > morawski@highway1.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Martin" > To: > Subject: Zenith-List: PegaStol Service openings > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" > > > > On the PegaStol wings there are a total of 24 little round service doors. > I installed one the other day and had a hell'vu time getting it back out. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:39 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re 701 mount --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" When Tech Weld in Paducah, Kentucky was building my engine mount, Ed the owner, told me he called Chris about location of the center thrust line. Ed said that Chris said it didn't matter on the 701 because the aircraft was very forgiving and easily trimmed. Just repeating what I was told. Larry N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy vickski" Subject: Zenith-List: re 701 mount > --> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski > > Dave, > I'm viewing the crankshaft centerline from the seat > with the prophub on the aircraft centerline. Rotation > is CCW. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > It seems to me the more downthrust one has the more > the airframe will be pitch sensitive to power changes? > > Makes one leary of fabbing up a finnished cowl, I > think I will leave extra room around the hub (and > everywhere else) so I can jack up the rear of the > motor if flight testing dictates or if ZAC carves the > spec in stone. > > Still curious > Regards > Roy > > > __________________________________ > http://my.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:54 AM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" If the fork and gear leg are the same as the HDS, why not just get the HDS doubler (and fork if you want to completely start over) from ZAC? I haven't seen the XL plans, so may be all wet, but thought I'd do 2 cents. Kent ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 12/13/04 1:24 PM, Kent Brown at kentbrown@verizon.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > > > If the fork and gear leg are the same as the HDS, why not just get the HDS > doubler (and fork if you want to completely start over) from ZAC? I haven't > seen the XL plans, so may be all wet, but thought I'd do 2 cents. > The XL uses standard 5.00 X 5 aircraft tires, I believe the HD/HDS used larger "wheel barrow" tires. The forks are probably not the same size. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:46 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: XL Trim authority with full flap --> Zenith-List message posted by: Hello and a thank you to all of you who contributed with advice on the problem of trim with full flap, I am at present awaiting Czech Airworks to come up with the fix and will post a message here to inform you all of the outcome. Hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Thanks once again. Norman Butcher England ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Radio/Intercom Hook-up From: "Jeffrey J Paris" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey J Paris" Hello Guru's of the Zenith List, I come to you all again with a question about wiring my radio and intercom in our 601XL. Here is my problem, I am trying to integrate a ICOM A200 Radio/tranceiever with a Flight com Model 403C Voice activated intercom, with Ray Allen Company Duel-PTT switches, aileron and elevator trim controls G205 (pilot), G201 (co-pilot)Stick Grips. As we all know that it is sometimes no easy task to follow multiple direction and get things to work. The intercom is working between my headsets. However, when I try to transmit on the ICOM or my Handheld I am not picking anything up? I think I may have missed something critical between the hook-up vernacular of the Intercoms DB 25 pin set-up and the MOLEX set-up for the ICOM unit. In terms of wiring the two sytems it seem easy enough, but I'm not getting the percieved results...FRUSTRATED. In terms of the directions and language used I believe that the TRANSMIT KEYLINE MEANS a hook-up to the co-pilot/pilot PTT wires. The TRANSMIT AUDIO comes from the Pilot/co-pilot MICS and so on. I need help and I am almost at the end of my wiring. DYNON, flaps, lights....etc. all done! Any information would be helpful. Thanks so much, Jeff and Peter Paris Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:15 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gK1ly1rnXxLfs3lrckImNJ+bNgYfHdeuo4vmwL4W2rCObOVcvKHipxi0qIxs5MUeSzykn8Qcn19eQIJz2VhAIh/69aORTgN7rbTAEKqxGH8Sk1NpCFEtsOfDtJX0VmozbtoabV37ANesFMhIQwyDUHk5kkhYLvSwaNvmpmlvqcM= ; From: Fly Boy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fly Boy Scott Laughlin here. (changed email address due to problems with hotmail) In order to clear up some of the confusion I have posted the "wheel fork" portion of my XL nose gear drawing on my website at: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/XL_NoseGear.jpg I purchased a slab of 3/8" 6061-T6, so my gear is double the thickness called out in the drawing. If somebody has a scan of the HD/HDS drawing they can send me, I'll post it as a comparison. Happy building, Scott Laughlin http://www.cooknwithgas.com/ The XL uses standard 5.00 X 5 aircraft tires, I believe the HD/HDS used larger "wheel barrow" tires. The forks are probably not the same size. Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. --------------------------------- Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:58 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5EFYPtjbLB8gO52A6de4Mx1HDRThwpSLibrdfrGm8Ilm26cXmmrL6qs7zVHNWgLT8PX4u26hiEm4jim8nlOHuyoTL5599OOnmTymnMdbawD0fTwYi0dIqKVtZDmMJom+X7w1x8SMhMe0D+GR0xbdbLxZxd7U0fLDjbelvdKLp28= ; From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth I asked Nick Heintz about a drawing so I could use a 6.00 X 6 nosewheel on the XL and he sent me drawings of two forks - primary and alternate for the 801. One is .325" (3/8) mild steel and the other is of .500" 6061-T6. If anyone wants I can sent the .jpgs or if enough interest, I will post on the ch601.org website. David David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:52 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1n/nc8z4y89Hd2WF9VEpXDmj7f4TwPdxNvukRmgALzZf0lynEj24LsaEjOpN4B4Oav+KmU98LrmZLCNHFdgP9E3rYmWHQomtMY1RzC/1I8pMG7mHUCa1Z8wBbIWODJlbbP6dSA8lmpk54nGQDD9WrZlbOW6N6j2zzTW4j8ZNIho= ; From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi Scott, Did you bend the 3/8" flat bar yet? Can you keep a bend radius small enough? HD/HDS use a narrow wheel... mine is wider since I use a 15X600X6 tire mounted on a 600X6 wheel. I'm considering changing that for a 500X5 wheel to save drag and weight. Michel --- Fly Boy wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fly Boy > > > Scott Laughlin here. (changed email address due to > problems with hotmail) > > In order to clear up some of the confusion I have > posted the "wheel fork" portion of my XL nose gear > drawing on my website at: > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/XL_NoseGear.jpg > > I purchased a slab of 3/8" 6061-T6, so my gear is > double the thickness called out in the drawing. If > somebody has a scan of the HD/HDS drawing they can > send me, I'll post it as a comparison. > > Happy ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:08 PM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > > > > > > If the fork and gear leg are the same as the HDS, why not just get the > HDS > > doubler (and fork if you want to completely start over) from ZAC? I > haven't > > seen the XL plans, so may be all wet, but thought I'd do 2 cents. > > > The XL uses standard 5.00 X 5 aircraft tires, I believe the HD/HDS used > larger "wheel barrow" tires. The forks are probably not the same size. > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. > In Phase I testing. > do not archive. > You are correct, the HDS does use the wheelbarrow tires, so I withdraw my suggestion. Kent Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:06 PM PST US From: Sigmo@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Radio/Intercom Hook-up --> Zenith-List message posted by: Sigmo@aol.com Jeff, I had a similar experience hooking up my dual microair 760's to the flightcom. I suggest you contact Bruce at Flightcom. He will give you the help you need. Mike Sigman 601XL N7092N ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:21 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=J2hIkrR+Dpn+Myv1TLUGg+wAlN6nWbDxUfxAMPu3V9fMjZGuSokdVecBY/FWTa4x2g3bwwjeYKkzTrOq3a6gSh30j1KFZiD3/gW2TBSn06PhGnIsKuE4eH5xhBLwaoDTGdUwBZPM29HDVyuegYlRpPxsZXG3COHQXu6TvcSDeBU= ; From: Fly Boy Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Front Fork Doubler --> Zenith-List message posted by: Fly Boy Michel: I have asked a fab shop to bend it. I expect to get it back near the end of the month, so I'll let you know then how it turned out. Michel Therrien wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi Scott, Did you bend the 3/8" flat bar yet? Can you keep a bend radius small enough? DO NOT ARCHIVE --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:02 PM PST US From: "Dan Knezacek" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch601 HDS Nose Gear Bungees --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Knezacek" I believe that the 1080 HDs are better, especially if you're using a heavier engine like a Subaru, or if you have the 1200 lb gross weight. I'm using the 1080 HDs. Seems to me that Chris Heintz said that the 1080 HDs were preferrable in one of the newsletters. Dan > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Glasserow" > > > I've got to replace the bungee(s) on my nosegear. I assume it uses > #1080's, > but how many? Also, Aircraft Spruce has a #1080 HD (heavy duty) Would > there be any benefit to using these as replacements, or should I stay with > the specified 1080's? > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > Jeff Glasserow > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:51 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" To give my two cents worth. On larger aircraft like the KC-135 we use an ammeter or load meter to determine the state of the Transformer Rectifiers (converting AC to DC) and a voltmeter to determine the state of the battery. One of the uses of the TR is to charge the battery. So if the battery is low you check the load meter to see if the TR is putting out any current. You can also check the load meter to see if there is too much load being drawn by a bus. One of the other uses of the load meter when checking the battery is to see how much current is being drawn. If the TR is reading high then the battery may be in an overcharge condition or a thermal runaway. This is a concern with NiCad type batteries and not lead acid. If this is the case we disconnect the bad one (we have two) and send someone back to check it. The main point for any instrument is to determine what actions one would take with different readings. If the voltage is 13.5 volts on a 12 volt system then you know that it is charging. If it is low then it is not and it is time to land. I am not sure what actions you would take with the readings from a load meter with our system. If you want to check the condition of the battery you would be better off performing regular maintenance. I am just planning on a voltmeter. I would love to hear the reasons on this aircraft for a load meter. Cheers Matt Archer 601 XL Rudder done! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary A. Boothe" Subject: Zenith-List: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" > > Hey Gang, > > Can someone comment on the pros & cons of Ammeter vs. Voltmeter? I will be > running a WW Corvair Conversion (with alternator). Electronics will > include pos. lights, inst. lights, navcom,... pretty light duty. > > Thanks > Gary Boothe > WW Corvair Power - 601HDS > Rudder complete, impatiently awaiting > Tail Kit > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Been flying with just a voltmeter for 5.5 years and never felt the need for an ammeter. As you say Matt, if the battery volts is always above 14V (maybe 13.5 with everything on) and it stays there, all is right with the world. Do not archive RV7a....Rudder done! -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt & Jo Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" To give my two cents worth. On larger aircraft like the KC-135 we use an ammeter or load meter to determine the state of the Transformer Rectifiers (converting AC to DC) and a voltmeter to determine the state of the battery. One of the uses of the TR is to charge the battery. So if the battery is low you check the load meter to see if the TR is putting out any current. You can also check the load meter to see if there is too much load being drawn by a bus. One of the other uses of the load meter when checking the battery is to see how much current is being drawn. If the TR is reading high then the battery may be in an overcharge condition or a thermal runaway. This is a concern with NiCad type batteries and not lead acid. If this is the case we disconnect the bad one (we have two) and send someone back to check it. The main point for any instrument is to determine what actions one would take with different readings. If the voltage is 13.5 volts on a 12 volt system then you know that it is charging. If it is low then it is not and it is time to land. I am not sure what actions you would take with the readings from a load meter with our system. If you want to check the condition of the battery you would be better off performing regular maintenance. I am just planning on a voltmeter. I would love to hear the reasons on this aircraft for a load meter. Cheers Matt Archer 601 XL Rudder done! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary A. Boothe" Subject: Zenith-List: Ammeter vs. Voltmeter > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" > --> > > Hey Gang, > > Can someone comment on the pros & cons of Ammeter vs. Voltmeter? I > will be > running a WW Corvair Conversion (with alternator). Electronics will > include pos. lights, inst. lights, navcom,... pretty light duty. > > Thanks > Gary Boothe > WW Corvair Power - 601HDS > Rudder complete, impatiently awaiting > Tail Kit > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:54 PM PST US From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Other Costs --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Today I was asked my estimated costs of scratch building my 601XL, I just now realized I left a few things out !! Here they are * Loss of income, too tired to go to work after shaping ribs $4000 * Car repair, salt damage from building 601 in garage $800 * Stitches in finger/Look up loss of income as well $50 * Vacation for Wife ( cheaper then divorce) while using chromate $2000 * Eight pair of pants chromate/fiberglass( too stiff for church) $140 * 2 dozen shirts see above $90 * Tools one time use $2000 * Hospital visit ( sniffing Chromate/fiberglass resin) $500 * Beer & Coffee for visitors ( 4 years supply) $1200 * Snacks for same as above $300 * Bigger Garage, with attached house, so wife was happier $300,000 * Total on top of kit and FWF $311080 Being able to tell wife you have the kids I'm going flying -Priceless!!!!!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L Osprey 2 serial # 751 www.ch601.org www.Osprey2.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:25 PM PST US From: "Ken Stone" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Other Costs --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ken Stone" Ha !!!! just showed the list to my wife..........she didnt get it..............oh well back to the shop with me !!! ( where I belong ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> Subject: Zenith-List: Other Costs > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca> > > Today I was asked my estimated costs of scratch building my 601XL, I > just now realized I left a few things out !! Here they are > * Loss of income, too tired to go to work after shaping ribs > $4000 > * Car repair, salt damage from building 601 in garage > $800 > * Stitches in finger/Look up loss of income as well > $50 > * Vacation for Wife ( cheaper then divorce) while using chromate > $2000 > * Eight pair of pants chromate/fiberglass( too stiff for church) > $140 > * 2 dozen shirts see above > $90 > * Tools one time use > $2000 > * Hospital visit ( sniffing Chromate/fiberglass resin) > $500 > * Beer & Coffee for visitors ( 4 years supply) > $1200 > * Snacks for same as above > $300 > * Bigger Garage, with attached house, so wife was happier > $300,000 > * Total on top of kit and FWF > $311080 > > Being able to tell wife you have the kids I'm going flying > -Priceless!!!!!! > > > Mark Townsend > Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L > Osprey 2 serial # 751 > www.ch601.org > www.Osprey2.com > >