---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/16/04: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:24 AM - Venturi vacuum systems (Phil Raker) 2. 10:10 AM - 701 wing struts (Tony & Peggy Pierce) 3. 11:58 AM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Cleone Markwell) 4. 12:13 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (B Johnson) 5. 01:53 PM - Re: 701 wing struts (szewc@direcway.com) 6. 02:47 PM - Matco Axels (Chuck Deiterich) 7. 05:36 PM - Great Plains Aircraft (Brandon Tucker) 8. 11:03 PM - 701 Cowling (Rowland137@cs.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=U6swfZ+M7QYok01RX5C8tV9izdlO2FJS14GMUE/EyCv+T8s0KiBfGlI13HDCKFhMRBpIi+cne+VH05op/moLU5u4wOc2ceTF00JYgan/Bfrm6yNNXhYeeUwI8WbRdPEVs+agagnY9i50PIsbkbUgxOYXUYiC6Hxh01h0JGhIeoc= ; From: Phil Raker Subject: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker Gary, I'd echo what Mark Townsend wrote and also add a comment about the "glass panel" system from Grand Rapids Technologies. They have a single unit which can be almost all of your panel except for radios. It's an EFIS which will also display engine info and navigation info on the same screen. I'm tentatively planning to use it. Since I see that you've chosen the HDS model, I assume that speed (a relative term) is at least somewhat important to you. As you probably already know, venturis are a drag, in more ways than one. They also collect ice very quiclky in the kind of conditions where you need attitude info the most. They can also ice in conditions which would generate carb ice. I have never liked vacuum systems, so was looking at electric gyros (expensive). Then the Dynon and Grand Rapids EFIS systems became available at "reasonable" prices. THAT's the way to go! My 2 cents. Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed -----Original Message----- Subject: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" List, I hate to date myself (let's just say that I have been out of the saddle for over 20 years) but I am designing the panel and have noticed very few 601's with venturi's. Are electric systems the way to go? Gary Boothe WW Corvair Power - 601HDS __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:55 AM PST US From: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing struts --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" We temporarily attached the left wing yesterday to check the fit. The wing attach points matched perfectly, the rear strut fit well, but the front strut appears to require approximately 9 degrees of twist. It appears that the steel plate on the gear/strut fitting is roughly parallel to the cabin bottom rather than parallel to the reference line. Besides asking Zenith to replace the front strut, how have others fixed this? Thanks in advance, Tony Pierce CH 701 (5188) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:07 AM PST US From: Cleone Markwell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell I use a venturi and it is nice to see a horizon working on the panel. I don't intend to fly instruments. I did for years. I'm sure there is a drag to it but I had flown my plane for over a year before I put it on and the drag hasn't made a noticeable difference in air speed. It is also nice when young ladies say; "And you even have a horn". Cleone At 09:22 AM 12/16/04, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker > >Gary, > I'd echo what Mark Townsend wrote and also add a comment about the > "glass >panel" system from Grand Rapids Technologies. They have a single unit which >can be almost all of your panel except for radios. It's an EFIS which will >also display engine info and navigation info on the same screen. I'm >tentatively planning to use it. > Since I see that you've chosen the HDS model, I assume that speed (a >relative term) is at least somewhat important to you. As you probably already >know, venturis are a drag, in more ways than one. They also collect ice very >quiclky in the kind of conditions where you need attitude info the most. They >can also ice in conditions which would generate carb ice. > I have never liked vacuum systems, so was looking at electric gyros >(expensive). Then the Dynon and Grand Rapids EFIS systems became available at >"reasonable" prices. THAT's the way to go! My 2 cents. > > Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed > > >-----Original Message----- >Subject: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" > >List, >I hate to date myself (let's just say that I have been out of the saddle >for over 20 years) but I am designing the panel and have noticed very >few 601's with venturi's. Are electric systems the way to go? > >Gary Boothe >WW Corvair Power - 601HDS > > >__________________________________ >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:29 PM PST US From: "B Johnson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems --> Zenith-List message posted by: "B Johnson" Leo Gates' HDS has a special "triple venture".... but they are plastic, and they play "Dixie" (or is it the "charge" preamble...) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cleone Markwell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems --> Zenith-List message posted by: Cleone Markwell I use a venturi and it is nice to see a horizon working on the panel. I don't intend to fly instruments. I did for years. I'm sure there is a drag to it but I had flown my plane for over a year before I put it on and the drag hasn't made a noticeable difference in air speed. It is also nice when young ladies say; "And you even have a horn". Cleone At 09:22 AM 12/16/04, you wrote: >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker > >Gary, > I'd echo what Mark Townsend wrote and also add a comment about the > "glass >panel" system from Grand Rapids Technologies. They have a single unit which >can be almost all of your panel except for radios. It's an EFIS which will >also display engine info and navigation info on the same screen. I'm >tentatively planning to use it. > Since I see that you've chosen the HDS model, I assume that speed (a >relative term) is at least somewhat important to you. As you probably already >know, venturis are a drag, in more ways than one. They also collect ice very >quiclky in the kind of conditions where you need attitude info the most. They >can also ice in conditions which would generate carb ice. > I have never liked vacuum systems, so was looking at electric gyros >(expensive). Then the Dynon and Grand Rapids EFIS systems became available at >"reasonable" prices. THAT's the way to go! My 2 cents. > > Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed > > >-----Original Message----- >Subject: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" > >List, >I hate to date myself (let's just say that I have been out of the saddle >for over 20 years) but I am designing the panel and have noticed very >few 601's with venturi's. Are electric systems the way to go? > >Gary Boothe >WW Corvair Power - 601HDS > > >__________________________________ >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:29 PM PST US From: szewc@direcway.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 wing struts --> Zenith-List message posted by: szewc@direcway.com Tony, Several people have reported this problem. I corrected it by heating the strut in a jig and twisting to get the right fit. Ken Szewc N701SZ 72hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony & Peggy Pierce Subject: Zenith-List: 701 wing struts > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony & Peggy Pierce" > > We temporarily attached the left wing yesterday to check the fit. > The wing attach points matched perfectly, the rear strut fit well, > but the front strut appears to require approximately 9 degrees of > twist. It appears that the steel plate on the gear/strut fitting > is roughly parallel to the cabin bottom rather than parallel to > the reference line. Besides asking Zenith to replace the front > strut, how have others fixed this? > Thanks in advance, > Tony Pierce > CH 701 (5188) > > > _- > _- > _- > ===================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:29 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Zenith-List: Matco Axels --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" Folks, The latest issue of the Zenith Newsletter said that the company that now makes the Matco axles will replace the old 701 axles with the newer version which is beefed up where the axle and flange join. The exchange is about $32 per axle. We have till Dec 05 to send them in. I have the old style and have made a hard landing or two but looking at the axles closely I find no damage or cracks. Question: how many of you all are going to exchange your axles? Chuck D. N701TX Jabiru 2200 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:48 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pZAq2Ur+XxWk4PSpA6qWP19KAC7p9X6gNnZ1BHY3gudA96zm7FrIdTrHSFbeydG3EodX53cxW/os4VADSLccr7Pz6uMOx6CtC13XH81HuA5VzWF58VXLzIfRN0AfFCkIJEtClaCng/ZatM69jDKICm0aUQBEiejGWLa9jOuvlRc= ; From: Brandon Tucker Subject: Zenith-List: Great Plains Aircraft --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker Gents, I recieved my axles that I ordered from Great Plains today, and I am very dissapointed with what I got. I ordered two 5/8" axles, and recieved two 3/4" grade 5 bolts with a castle nut and cotter pin. Hell, the bolt wasn't even drilled for the cotter pin! If I wanted a regular bolt, I could have gotten a drilled grade 8 bolt locally for half the price. I have heard good things about the people a Great Plains, so this confuses me. For those who have dealt with them; is this unusual? I am quite irritated, and am ready to raise hell. Respectfully, Brandon __________________________________ Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:06 PM PST US From: Rowland137@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Cowling --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rowland137@cs.com Anyone know how much Blueworks charges for the Jabiru 2200 cowling for the 701, and are there any other sources for 701 cowling with the Jab 2200? Not ready yet, just planning ahead. Placing an order now for the landing gear kit to finish the firewall. Norm in Nevada