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1. 01:54 AM - (no subject) (Howard Carter)
2. 04:05 AM - Re: 701 Cowling ()
3. 05:07 AM - Servo on the Flap Actuator (Beckman, Rick)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator (Gary A. Boothe)
6. 05:42 AM - Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator (Fly Boy)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator (george may)
8. 07:07 AM - Feul resistant sealer? (Dirk Slabbert)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Fuel resistant sealer? (Bryan Martin)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Chuck Deiterich)
11. 07:54 AM - Re:Fuel resistant sealer (RURUNY@aol.com)
12. 08:34 AM - Responses (Beckman, Rick)
13. 09:09 AM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Dirk Slabbert)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Responses (David Barth)
15. 09:48 AM - Re: 701 Cowling (Sigmo@aol.com)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Mike)
17. 12:45 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
18. 01:37 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
19. 02:12 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Michel Therrien)
20. 02:31 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
21. 03:11 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Mike)
22. 03:34 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
23. 03:51 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
24. 03:56 PM - Suzuki 1.3L engine in CH-701 (Ron &Phyliss)
25. 04:03 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
26. 04:13 PM - Re: Venturi vacuum systems (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
27. 05:53 PM - 701 Cowls (Rowland137@cs.com)
28. 06:32 PM - Manifold vacuum system (Howard Carter)
29. 07:04 PM - Re: Responses (Larry Martin)
30. 07:04 PM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Larry Martin)
31. 07:53 PM - Re: Manifold vacuum system (Mike)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Norm in Nevada:
Dedalius has a cowling for the Jabiru engines.
Howard Carter
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <gtamvakis@earthlink.net>
I am curentlly building a cowling [ actually modifying a 601 Jabiru cowl ]
for a plane that is almost identical to the 701 .I am doing this for Jabiru
so they can start offering a firewall frwd pkg for the 701 and other similar
planes [Savannah]
George
Savannah Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rowland137@cs.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Cowling
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rowland137@cs.com
>
> Anyone know how much Blueworks charges for the Jabiru 2200 cowling for the
> 701, and are there any other sources for 701 cowling with the Jab 2200?
> Not
> ready yet, just planning ahead. Placing an order now for the landing gear
> kit to
> finish the firewall.
> Norm in Nevada
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Servo on the Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
I have a question for the XL builders in the group. On the
ZAC site for XL builders, in the Fuselage section of builder's pics, there
is a photo of the actuator assembly and it shows how someone has added a
servo to send info to a meter (not shown) to tell the pilot the angle of his
flaps. I would like some info on locating this type of servo and meter. If
the owner of that plane is lurking, please contact me off list at:
ashamri@wmconnect.com . Thanks. Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
hello Rick:
If I am not mistaken the ZAC demo aircraft has a flap indicator calibrated
in degrees. Can/will the factory identify or source it for you?
Tracy
601XL s/n 5570
tail 85% complete
In a message dated 12/17/2004 8:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Rick.Beckman@atk.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
I have a question for the XL builders in the group. On the
ZAC site for XL builders, in the Fuselage section of builder's pics, there
is a photo of the actuator assembly and it shows how someone has added a
servo to send info to a meter (not shown) to tell the pilot the angle of his
flaps. I would like some info on locating this type of servo and meter. If
the owner of that plane is lurking, please contact me off list at:
ashamri@wmconnect.com . Thanks. Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Rick,
I was just now looking at some items at www.rayallencompany.com. They are
listed on the CH601websight.
Gary Boothe
WW Corvair Power - 601HDS
Rudder complete, impatiently awaiting
Tail Kit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Servo on the Flap Actuator
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>
> I have a question for the XL builders in the group. On the
> ZAC site for XL builders, in the Fuselage section of builder's pics, there
> is a photo of the actuator assembly and it shows how someone has added a
> servo to send info to a meter (not shown) to tell the pilot the angle of
> his
> flaps. I would like some info on locating this type of servo and meter. If
> the owner of that plane is lurking, please contact me off list at:
> ashamri@wmconnect.com . Thanks. Rick
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Servo on the Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Fly Boy <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Rick:
I am considering installing three limit switches and three LED's on the panel.
Full up would be green along with a red LED for 50% and another red for 100%
flaps. It would all be very small and cheap.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
"Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
I have a question for the XL builders in the group. On the
ZAC site for XL builders, in the Fuselage section of builder's pics, there
is a photo of the actuator assembly and it shows how someone has added a
servo to send info to a meter (not shown) to tell the pilot the angle of his
flaps. I would like some info on locating this type of servo and meter. If
the owner of that plane is lurking, please contact me off list at:
ashamri@wmconnect.com . Thanks. Rick
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| Subject: | Servo on the Flap Actuator |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Rick--
I will be installing a flap indicator such as you saw. It is made up of
a RayAllen POS-12 position sensor (1.2"), an push rod (as used in R/C
planes)
and I'll calibrate one of the RayAllen LED indicators.
Hope this helps
George May
601XL
>From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: "'MATRONICS LIST'" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Servo on the Flap Actuator
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:58:42 -0700
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>
> I have a question for the XL builders in the group. On the
>ZAC site for XL builders, in the Fuselage section of builder's pics, there
>is a photo of the actuator assembly and it shows how someone has added a
>servo to send info to a meter (not shown) to tell the pilot the angle of
>his
>flaps. I would like some info on locating this type of servo and meter. If
>the owner of that plane is lurking, please contact me off list at:
>ashamri@wmconnect.com . Thanks. Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Feul resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Mornin list,
Installing the tanks now, but wondering about leaking at the threaded joint !?
What can I use to prevent this? wont be to nice to see a leak after riveting the
top skin.
Thanks,
Dirk. 701
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 12/17/04 9:59 AM, Dirk Slabbert at dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net wrote:
> Mornin list,
> Installing the tanks now, but wondering about leaking at the threaded joint !?
> What can I use to prevent this? wont be to nice to see a leak after riveting
> the top skin.
Any good pipe thread sealer paste designed for gasoline and metal fittings.
Permatex makes some that can be found at most auto parts stores, Sealube is
another good one, Aircraft Spruce sells it. Teflon tape is not recommended,
it tends to come apart in shreds if the fittings are later removed and the
shreds can get into fuel lines and possibly cause problems. Its not easy to
clear all the particles of the tape off the old fittings especially on
female threads.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Feul resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Dirk,
I used Seal Lube that was recommended somewhere. I have extra. I can send
you some if you wish. I put an inspection plate under my 701 tank fuel
outlet to be able to tighten the fitting, clamp or change out the fuel line.
See my tank installation at www.geocities.com/cffd66.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message ----- > Mornin list,
> Installing the tanks now, but wondering about leaking at the threaded
joint !?
> What can I use to prevent this? wont be to nice to see a leak after
riveting the top skin.
> Thanks,
> Dirk. 701
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Fuel resistant sealer |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
I'm using Permatex High temperature thread sealant.
Its white paste you put on the threads before assembly. It doesn't dry but
remains in its
paste form.
The back of the package states...Seals threaded metal fittings on hydrolic,
pneumatic,
fuel, and cooling systems.
Item # 59214
purchased at Auto Zone autoparts store.
Its worked great in all leak checks thus far.
Brian
701 Long Island
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
A big THANK YOU to Gary, Tracy, Scott and George for info and ideas
on the flap actuator question!!
God
Bless!! and Happy Holidays!!
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Feul resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Thanks a lot for answers! I'm a bit more at ease now.
Chuck, I had a look at your installation, makes sense, but I am far away in Piketberg
SA, thanks for the offer to send me some sealer !
I'll look around here first, see what I can find, otherwise I'll just use lion
pee, stinks to high heaven, so it should be good ? hee hee hee ......
Dirk 701
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Deiterich
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chuck Deiterich" <cfd@thegateway.net>
Dirk,
I used Seal Lube that was recommended somewhere. I have extra. I can send
you some if you wish. I put an inspection plate under my 701 tank fuel
outlet to be able to tighten the fitting, clamp or change out the fuel line.
See my tank installation at www.geocities.com/cffd66.
Chuck D.
N701TX
----- Original Message ----- > Mornin list,
> Installing the tanks now, but wondering about leaking at the threaded
joint !?
> What can I use to prevent this? wont be to nice to see a leak after
riveting the top skin.
> Thanks,
> Dirk. 701
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
He Rick.
There is one more very simple option that can be used for a position indicator
for the flap. You can find a cheap float-style fuel level sender with a guage.
Just remove the potentiometer with the lever arm to the float and mount it
so the lever arm moves with the flap actuator. Then you can set the flaps in
various positions and mark the positions on the fuel indicator (change the face
on it if you can) . I am not sure that the sender from Ray Allen has enough
travel for use with the flaps. Maybe if you mount it lower down on the lever
arm of the flap actuator tube it won't have much travel. Just an idea - a really
simple one at that. have an excellent Christmas.
David
"Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
A big THANK YOU to Gary, Tracy, Scott and George for info and ideas
on the flap actuator question!!
God
Bless!! and Happy Holidays!!
Rick
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Sigmo@aol.com
Norm,
Jabiru Pacific ,http://www.jabirupacific.com/ in California and
http://www.jabiru.net.au/
have access to the 701 FWF kits for the 2200
Mike Sigman
Marysville, WA
601XL Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
I mounted a venturi, mostly because I bought the old style gauges before the price
started to come down on the glass panel stuff. Even still, since I bought
a lot of it 2nd hand (hope it all works!), my panel will be cheaper. Not too concerned
with the drag of the venturi....if speed was an issue, I wouldn't be
building a 601. Also not concerned about icing, since I'm VFR only anyway. Hopefully
the venturi will work where I mounted it (left side fuselage just forward
and above wing).
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Mike:
Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or primary?
Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
Thanks!
Tracy
601XL tail 85%
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In a message dated 12/17/2004 3:34:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wizard-24@juno.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
I mounted a venturi, mostly because I bought the old style gauges before the
price started to come down on the glass panel stuff. Even still, since I
bought a lot of it 2nd hand (hope it all works!), my panel will be cheaper. Not
too concerned with the drag of the venturi....if speed was an issue, I
wouldn't be building a 601. Also not concerned about icing, since I'm VFR only
anyway. Hopefully the venturi will work where I mounted it (left side fuselage
just forward and above wing).
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
No it wouldn't not enough suck.
Glass panel stuff now is so much better than the vacuum junk....Much
better not to use this old stuff unless you have it already
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Crvsecretary@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Hello Mike:
Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or
primary?
Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
Thanks!
Tracy
601XL tail 85%
do not archive
In a message dated 12/17/2004 3:34:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wizard-24@juno.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
I mounted a venturi, mostly because I bought the old style gauges
before the
price started to come down on the glass panel stuff. Even still, since
I
bought a lot of it 2nd hand (hope it all works!), my panel will be
cheaper. Not
too concerned with the drag of the venturi....if speed was an issue, I
wouldn't be building a 601. Also not concerned about icing, since I'm
VFR only
anyway. Hopefully the venturi will work where I mounted it (left side
fuselage
just forward and above wing).
Mike Fortunato
601XL
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| Subject: | Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Or unless you need it to comply with regulations....
what I mean is that in Canada, for night flying, for
example, you need a directional gyro or a "stabilized
magnetic compass" which is also old technology.
Michel
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--- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> No it wouldn't not enough suck.
>
> Glass panel stuff now is so much better than the
> vacuum junk....Much
> better not to use this old stuff unless you have it
> already
>
> Frank
>
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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| Subject: | Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Really?.....Both of those functions are provided with Dynon or Blue
Mountain EFIS systems. In the USA at least the FAA regs allow both night
flying and IFR using these EFIS's as primary flight instruments.
Is this not also true in Canada?
If it is you can get a Dynon for $2k (US) which should be about 25
canadian bucks by now....:).
If you look at the fact the EFIS is solid state its on going cost of
ownership/hassle factor should make these units a slam dunk.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Therrien
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien <mtherr@yahoo.com>
Or unless you need it to comply with regulations....
what I mean is that in Canada, for night flying, for
example, you need a directional gyro or a "stabilized
magnetic compass" which is also old technology.
Michel
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--- "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank
> George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> No it wouldn't not enough suck.
>
> Glass panel stuff now is so much better than the
> vacuum junk....Much
> better not to use this old stuff unless you have it
> already
>
> Frank
>
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http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
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| Subject: | Re: Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or
> primary?
> Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
It would be my primary system. My engine will be a Corvair, so there's no platform
for a vacuum pump. Not sure if I could incorporate manifold vacuum or not....I'm
new to this building stuff, so I'm not sure. Good idea though if it would
work....any thoughts anyone?
Mike F.
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| Subject: | Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You will not get the vacuum you need plus the manifold pressure is
highly variable...When you open the engine throttle the gyros will
rollover and die...Oh yeah and your engine mixture will go weak...:)
Really, if it was that easy there would be no market for vacuum pumps.
Now you could use an electric vacuum pump...heavy and expensive.
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or
> primary?
> Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
It would be my primary system. My engine will be a Corvair, so there's
no platform for a vacuum pump. Not sure if I could incorporate manifold
vacuum or not....I'm new to this building stuff, so I'm not sure. Good
idea though if it would work....any thoughts anyone?
Mike F.
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| Subject: | Re: Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
The Piper Archer I fly has manifold vacuum as a secondary source. Highly
variable? Yep.
Will it keep the gyros spinning if the vac pump decides to retire?
Sure will.
Tracy
601XL
tail feathers 85% complete
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In a message dated 12/17/2004 6:34:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
You will not get the vacuum you need plus the manifold pressure is
highly variable...When you open the engine throttle the gyros will
rollover and die...Oh yeah and your engine mixture will go weak...:)
Really, if it was that easy there would be no market for vacuum pumps.
Now you could use an electric vacuum pump...heavy and expensive.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or
> primary?
> Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
It would be my primary system. My engine will be a Corvair, so there's
no platform for a vacuum pump. Not sure if I could incorporate manifold
vacuum or not....I'm new to this building stuff, so I'm not sure. Good
idea though if it would work....any thoughts anyone?
Mike F.
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| Subject: | Suzuki 1.3L engine in CH-701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron &Phyliss" <rgdplg@radiowire.net>
I may have a problem with the PCM for the Suzuki (GEO) engine. No "Check Engine"
light unless I manually ground the PCM lead. If it is fried, I will be looking
for a replacement. Any PCM from a 1.3L Suzuki 4 cyl. engine from 1998 to
2001 will work. If anyone has one they would like to sell, please email me at:
rgdplg@radiowire.net
Thanks,
Ron Dallmeyer
N701PR
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| Subject: | Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
So what do u need the vacuum pump for?...I'm glad it does though
I bet the engine will need to be richened up though right?
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Crvsecretary@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
The Piper Archer I fly has manifold vacuum as a secondary source.
Highly
variable? Yep.
Will it keep the gyros spinning if the vac pump decides to retire?
Sure will.
Tracy
601XL
tail feathers 85% complete
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In a message dated 12/17/2004 6:34:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
You will not get the vacuum you need plus the manifold pressure is
highly variable...When you open the engine throttle the gyros will
rollover and die...Oh yeah and your engine mixture will go weak...:)
Really, if it was that easy there would be no market for vacuum pumps.
Now you could use an electric vacuum pump...heavy and expensive.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or
> primary?
> Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
It would be my primary system. My engine will be a Corvair, so there's
no platform for a vacuum pump. Not sure if I could incorporate manifold
vacuum or not....I'm new to this building stuff, so I'm not sure. Good
idea though if it would work....any thoughts anyone?
Mike F.
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| Subject: | Re: Venturi vacuum systems |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Yes, Frank, the mixture has to be enriched during operation.
I believe wide-open throttle (WOT) conditions make manifold vacuum very
unstable, if non-existant; NOT what I would like if I am in the middle of a
go-around or a missed approach !!
However, if I need to declare an emergency or priority handling because my
vacuum pump took early retirement, it's good to have a secondary source of
vacuum which, as you pointed out, is not heavy OR expensive.
I guess this situation would not work with any engine using Bing carbs, in
that there is no mixture control. Should I be rethinking that Jabru?
Nope - it's all-electric for me with MAYBE a backup steam gauge or two if I
can find them cheep.
Tracy
601XL
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In a message dated 12/17/2004 7:04:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
So what do u need the vacuum pump for?...I'm glad it does though
I bet the engine will need to be richened up though right?
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Crvsecretary@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
The Piper Archer I fly has manifold vacuum as a secondary source.
Highly
variable? Yep.
Will it keep the gyros spinning if the vac pump decides to retire?
Sure will.
Tracy
601XL
tail feathers 85% complete
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In a message dated 12/17/2004 6:34:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
You will not get the vacuum you need plus the manifold pressure is
highly variable...When you open the engine throttle the gyros will
rollover and die...Oh yeah and your engine mixture will go weak...:)
Really, if it was that easy there would be no market for vacuum pumps.
Now you could use an electric vacuum pump...heavy and expensive.
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Venturi vacuum systems
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> Is your intention to use the venturi as a backup vacuum source or
> primary?
> Would manifold vacuum be an acceptable secondary source as well?
It would be my primary system. My engine will be a Corvair, so there's
no platform for a vacuum pump. Not sure if I could incorporate manifold
vacuum or not....I'm new to this building stuff, so I'm not sure. Good
idea though if it would work....any thoughts anyone?
Mike F.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rowland137@cs.com
Thanks to Howard, George, and Mike for solving my delemma with the 701
cowling. I received added info from each of you. I now have choices - that is a
good
thing. Also, see that Chuck Deiterich made his cowling out of aluminum. That
is another alternative. An added thanks for those who might have additional
info on the way.
Norm in Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Manifold vacuum system |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Howard Carter <howado@cwia.com>
Mike,
you could improve the performance of a manifold vacuum source for a gyro
if you inserted a check valve in the vac line coming from the manifold,
and then ran the line to a quart size tank that acts as a vacuum
accumulator. The Gyro would be connected to the accumulator. This would
sustain the vacuum when the throttle was opened for short times. The
accumulator size depends on the rate of flow into the gyro.
I agree, however, with the comments regarding glass panels; meaning no
rotating parts and hence no need for a vacuum. If you have the gyro then
this vacuum approach makes sense.
Howard Carter
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
The Ray Allen sensor moves 1.2". Move it up the the flap tube to where
your max travel is 1.2". Should work good, that's what I am doing. The Ray
Allen sensor is $30. Larry N1345L
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From: "David Barth" <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Responses
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
> He Rick.
> There is one more very simple option that can be used for a position
indicator for the flap. You can find a cheap float-style fuel level sender
with a guage. Just remove the potentiometer with the lever arm to the float
and mount it so the lever arm moves with the flap actuator. Then you can
set the flaps in various positions and mark the positions on the fuel
indicator (change the face on it if you can) . I am not sure that the
sender from Ray Allen has enough travel for use with the flaps. Maybe if
you mount it lower down on the lever arm of the flap actuator tube it won't
have much travel. Just an idea - a really simple one at that. have an
excellent Christmas.
> David
>
> "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick"
>
>
> A big THANK YOU to Gary, Tracy, Scott and George for info and ideas
> on the flap actuator question!!
>
> God
> Bless!! and Happy Holidays!!
>
> Rick
>
>
> David Barth
> 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> Working on Wings
> www.ch601.org
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Feul resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
You need to do a leak check before you nail the top down. I put 5 gallons
in mine and let it set over night, then drained it. It stinks up the shop
especially if you don't like the smell of gasoline. Larry N1345L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
<dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Mornin list,
> Installing the tanks now, but wondering about leaking at the threaded
joint !?
> What can I use to prevent this? wont be to nice to see a leak after
riveting the top skin.
> Thanks,
> Dirk. 701
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold vacuum system |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike" <wizard-24@juno.com>
> you could improve the performance of a manifold vacuum source for a
> gyro if you inserted a check valve in the vac line coming from the
> manifold, and then ran the line to a quart size tank that acts as a
> vacuum accumulator. The Gyro would be connected to the accumulator.
Very interesting idea -- kind of the same concept as a header tank in a fuel system.
Has this been tried before?
Mike F.
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