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1. 07:58 AM - rollover protection (Grant Corriveau)
2. 08:08 AM - Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet (Robert Schoenberger)
3. 08:37 AM - Re: FW: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. (george may)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet (VideoFlyer@aol.com)
5. 09:05 AM - VG's on canopy (Randy Stout)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 09:09 AM - 601 XL Fuel System (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? (Jack Russell)
9. 09:37 AM - Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? (Ray Montagne)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: rollover protection (Bryan Martin)
11. 10:51 AM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System (N5SL)
12. 11:58 AM - Re: Drilling Holes Fun or Profit (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
13. 12:14 PM - Brake Master Cylinders ()
14. 12:57 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (Frank Jones)
15. 01:40 PM - Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. (N5SL)
16. 02:08 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (The Meiste's)
17. 02:43 PM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
18. 02:49 PM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Kent Brown)
19. 03:15 PM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
20. 04:38 PM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Robert Schoenberger)
21. 07:26 PM - Re: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. (Larry Martin)
22. 07:49 PM - FAA inspection N601TD (ron dewees)
23. 08:34 PM - Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? (Rico Voss)
24. 09:15 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (Randy Stout)
25. 09:31 PM - 601 XL Fuel System Photos (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
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| Subject: | rollover protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> the harm to the plane was minimal and the pilot and passenger walked
> out unharmed,
This is easier to do in a high wing aircraft. My concern isn't with
surviving the rollover so much as wondering how I'll get out afterwards.
Espcecially if it happens in an isolated area. I wondered about a
rear-sliding canopy mod, but couldn't come up with anything workable -- and
after a rollover how much could that be counted on NOT to jam shut
anyways... maybe I'll design a big 'red-handled' explosive-bolt jettisonable
canopy that I can 'blow' at the first sign of trouble... ;-) ?
Life is dangerous! birth causes death... no perfect solutions..,
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Thinking out of the box a bit, the loud type compressor doesn't have to be
in the work area. I build in the basement and have my compressor in the
first floor garage with the hose running through the band joist to the
basement. There's a switch in the basement to turn it on. Noise level is
quite acceptable. Robert Schoenberger 701 45%
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Osborne" <todd@toddtown.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne <todd@toddtown.com>
>
> I can't speak for all compressors, but I bought one of the "quiet" ones
> too. Yeah, it's quiet, compared to shotgun, but still more than noisy
> enough to wake the neighbors if I use it outside.
>
> Todd Osborne
> Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com
> Web Site: www.toddtown.com
> MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com
> AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Brian--
Thanks for this update. I ordered my new doubler this morning
George May
601XL
>From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>To: Zenith List <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co.
>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:28:06 -0500
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
>on 12/19/04 9:45 PM, Jack Russell at clojan@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >
> > 601XL builders may want to check this out.I got this Friday.
> >
> > Since I can't seem to get the pdf. to load would someone tell me what
>Zac is
> > saying about the nose gear. Thanks Jack in Clovis CA
> >
>Try this link instead:
>
>
>http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/601xl-nose-wheel-fork-letter.pdf
>
>
>--
>Bryan Martin
>N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
>In Phase I testing.
>do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
I've used cordless drills alot. In fact I have several cordless drills of
varying sizes. The smallest one works the best...it's the lightest and frankly
it doesn't take a lot of power to drill through sheet aluminum. But the
batteries never last as long as you'd like. Seems like I'm ready for a new
battery before the charger is done with the old one.
But I bought a used pneumatic drill at a garage sale. And I have used it
ever since. I know, you have to drag an air hose around, but the speed and the
compactness make up for it. I vote for pneumatic. And I've used both.
Dave
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Zodiac Flyers
Last night I installed VG's on my canopy. Today I went for a short flight
to verify the effects. I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7
MPH. The wind was blowing hard and that makes it turbulent around here, so
it will be difficult to get a better number until things calm down some. I
just made them out of aluminum the same way Kelly Meiste made his and
spaced them 4 inches apart. They are mounted directly over my head so they
don't block my view except to the side. Maybe someone (Kelly, hint) can
make a set and install them on their plane to confirm my results. Sure is a
cheap way to pick up a few MPH.
Didn't someone on the list have some clear plastic VG's. I may have to buy
a set.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
40 hours complete! But does the experimentation ever end?
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| Subject: | Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I would agree, the only proviso being that you have an air (I can't
spell pnuematic..:)..) you turn the air down a little so that you get a
slow start that stops the #40 pilot drill bit wandering.
Yes the speed (expecially on the smaller drill bits) makes the air drill
a winner.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
VideoFlyer@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's
quiet
--> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com
I've used cordless drills alot. In fact I have several cordless drills
of
varying sizes. The smallest one works the best...it's the lightest and
frankly
it doesn't take a lot of power to drill through sheet aluminum. But
the
batteries never last as long as you'd like. Seems like I'm ready for a
new
battery before the charger is done with the old one.
But I bought a used pneumatic drill at a garage sale. And I have used
it
ever since. I know, you have to drag an air hose around, but the speed
and the
compactness make up for it. I vote for pneumatic. And I've used both.
Dave
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| Subject: | 601 XL Fuel System |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Hello fellow Builders, I want to thank the guys who offered advise on how to
replace my fuel valves. I took the advise and returned the English valve and
purchased an OFF, Left & Right valve. Cheaper, smaller and less complex. I
mounted it to the floor in front of the gasolator and plumbed the lines with 1/4
inch alum line. It went together great. I became inventive on running the
remote control to the console. Spruce had nothing so I milled a 1/4 inch
universal joint from my Craftsman ratchet set (never used it anyway) to fit the
top
of the valve control stem. Then I took one of the ZAC steel throttle rod
(that I did not use but paid too much for) and welded a socket to it. I madea
control face plate mounted to the console face and welded a handle to the end.
I
also drilled a 1/16 hole through the socket and end of universal joint end so I
could secure the rod and remove the console when necessary. Works so well and
I am so proud I just had to tell someone. I made a small shield from scrap L
angle to protect from heal strikes. What is impressive is that I weighted the
ZAC system with bulky brass connectors, valves, rubber hose and clamps
compared to the new system and the undated version is almost half as much. Why
would ZAC sell us an obsolete, unreliable and heavier system ? Which is not as
safe or user friendly? Anyone who is still building wings and fuselage I would
strongly recommend you go with all metal fuel lines and single control valve.
Ever try to get a rubber hose off a barbed brass fitting while standing on your
head without destroying the hose? Anyone who wants to see what I did write
me. Update: I finished the last painting Sunday p.m. and will haul to hanger
mid week. Almost finished and want to fly. Thanks again for the advise. Bill
of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Rico: I agree with you 100%. I ordered the part today and wrote "ordered under
protest!" in big letters accross the order form. I think we should all make our
feeling known to Zac about this one. They did replace my wing skins(several
of us had skins drilled wrong) at no charge which were more expensive than this
part. By the way, Mark Townsend suggested that I download a current version
of Adobe reader to be able to open the file from ZAC. It worked.
Jack in Clovis Ca
On Seats and Insturments.
do not archive
Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
Jack,
The note from Chris is posted on their ZAC's site,
under Important note from the designer. Says..."Upon
inspection of several aircraft it's come to my
attention that the original nosewheel fork of the XL
is quite flexible with side loads, and that cracks may
begin to form ... with excessive side loads..." Then
goes on to say that ZAC will be glad to send out a
doubler for $40; order form attached.
Granted, the $40 aint a big thing. It's their
attitude that chafes me.
This is *NOT* a newly discovered defect in the design.
This *IS* an obvious omission in the creation of the
XL drawings. XL is merely a refinement of the 601HD
and HDS models. They (and the 701) all have doublers,
as has been pointed out. The fact that the XL
drawings dont have the doubler is a mistake in drawing
up the plans, not a design problem.
And for the record, my irritation is not with with the
design. I think Chris has put together a series of
extremely practical and simple-to-build designs. my
gripe is with the boys in Mexico. Their obsession
with marketing, and relying on their builders to
correct the multitude of mistakes that came out with
the original drawings. I came in a year after Mike
and Mark and others, who have had to contend the early
flood of problems-- many trivial, but many not.
As for ZAC communicating this problem with their
builders ---
ZAC has the mailing address and email for all of their
customers. Did they voluntarily send out notice? --
No, they didn't even respond until they were pushed
into it. And then it's only a "note from Chris",
buried in their site as an notice from the designer.
Not exactly my idea of a "recall".
AS one of the many who has plopped down $16 big ones
for the kit, I am offended that ZAC wants to suck $40
out of my pocket to correct a problem that they
created, that they should have caught, and they should
now correct.... Not my idea of good public
relations.
Respectfully,
Rico
[tripped up by the soapbox]
[sorry, guys -- it's lack of sleep from standing the
midnight watch. But I've been waiting for the
opportunity]
and right, do not archive
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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| Subject: | Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne <ac6qj@earthlink.net>
On 12/20/04 9:09 AM, "Jack Russell" <clojan@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Rico: I agree with you 100%. I ordered the part today and wrote "ordered under
> protest!" in big letters accross the order form. I think we should all make
> our feeling known to Zac about this one. They did replace my wing
> skins(several of us had skins drilled wrong) at no charge which were more
> expensive than this part. By the way, Mark Townsend suggested that I
> download a current version of Adobe reader to be able to open the file from
> ZAC. It worked.
> Jack in Clovis Ca
> On Seats and Insturments.
> do not archive
> Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'll be ordering but not under protest. Had this been included in the
original kit then the cost would have been rolled in at that time. Yes, it
does seem to be a mistake but I don't agree with the concept that a business
should provide all services and goods for free. If I had broken the
original nose fork then I would expect them to provide a free replacement
for that part but expecting additional parts to be provided for free is a
bit excessive in my opinion...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best Regards, Ray Montagne
Cupertino, CA
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Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL
Build Status: Rudder completed
Elevator Completed
Stabilizer Completed
Flaps Completed
Ailerons Completed
Right Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Left Wing Completed
Right Wing Tip Completed
Fuselage Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: rollover protection |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
on 12/20/04 10:53 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
>
>> the harm to the plane was minimal and the pilot and passenger walked
>> out unharmed,
>
> This is easier to do in a high wing aircraft. My concern isn't with
> surviving the rollover so much as wondering how I'll get out afterwards.
> Espcecially if it happens in an isolated area. I wondered about a
> rear-sliding canopy mod, but couldn't come up with anything workable -- and
> after a rollover how much could that be counted on NOT to jam shut
> anyways... maybe I'll design a big 'red-handled' explosive-bolt jettisonable
> canopy that I can 'blow' at the first sign of trouble... ;-) ?
Carry a hatchet in the plane to use as a canopy breaker to smash your way
out.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
In Phase I testing.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Fuel System |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Bill you are just teasing us with that description! Send me some photos and I'll
put them on my website. I'm sure David Barth and Mark Townsend would be happy
to put them on ch601.org as well.
Scott Laughlin
N5SL(reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Hello fellow Builders, I want to thank the guys who offered advise on how to
replace my fuel valves. I took the advise and returned the English valve and
purchased an OFF, Left & Right valve. Cheaper, smaller and less complex. I
mounted it to the floor in front of the gasolator and plumbed the lines with 1/4
inch alum line. It went together great. I became inventive on running the
remote control to the console. Spruce had nothing so I milled a 1/4 inch
universal joint from my Craftsman ratchet set (never used it anyway) to fit the
top
of the valve control stem. Then I took one of the ZAC steel throttle rod
(that I did not use but paid too much for) and welded a socket to it. I madea
control face plate mounted to the console face and welded a handle to the end.
I
also drilled a 1/16 hole through the socket and end of universal joint end so I
could secure the rod and remove the console when necessary. Works so well and
I am so proud I just had to tell someone. I made a small shield from scrap L
angle to protect from heal strikes. What is impressive is that I weighted the
ZAC system with bulky brass connectors, valves, rubber hose and clamps
compared to the new system and the undated version is almost half as much. Why
would ZAC sell us an obsolete, unreliable and heavier system ? Which is not as
safe or user friendly? Anyone who is still building wings and fuselage I would
strongly recommend you go with all metal fuel lines and single control valve.
Ever try to get a rubber hose off a barbed brass fitting while standing on your
head without destroying the hose? Anyone who wants to see what I did write
me. Update: I finished the last painting Sunday p.m. and will haul to hanger
mid week. Almost finished and want to fly. Thanks again for the advise. Bill
of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Holes Fun or Profit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Thread Friends, Having just completed my XL I can say a couple things are
sure. After drilling the couple million holes you have to do to build a XL you
either can or cannot drill straight. If your eyes and judgment are good enough
to flare a plane on landing you can drill a hole straight without level
bubbles. The thing about drills is that an air drill of even poor quality will
drill
a cleaner hole than any electric drill. Less moving parts to cause wobble. Not
to mention the speed and ease of use. Sure the compressor may make a racket
and the hose is a burden, but you need air to blow out the product from the
seams anyway and you will also need an angle drill adapter many times. Only the
air drill will reach sufficient speed to cleanly cut with the adapter down
gear. Course I used the electric drill for some things, but with the volume only
the air beast will get you done quickly. What I would recommend to any
builder is the Drill Doctor bit sharpener. I wore out one and am working on my
second ( first one replaced free of charge from the factory by the way). I would
only use a bit about a dozen holes before rechucking a freshly sharpened bit.
Made for quick, clean holes. Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Brake Master Cylinders |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:11:58 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
I'm just about at the stage to order a set of master cylinders, and though I'd
ask: What are people using, and happy with? I was thinking of Matco's, but looked
at the Italian master cylinders from ACS, which look pretty compact. Price
differential isn't all that much. I had a good look at the Italian wheel system
on Pat Lorie's Czech 601, and was pretty impressed with them. Anybody
want to comment?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL-Corvair
slaaaaaaving on the fuselage
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7
>MPH.
Randy,
I don't get how VGs on the canopy, or anywhere else for that matter,
improve the top end speed. Is it because of flow separation on the
trailing end of the canopy without them?
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ Ottawa
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| Subject: | Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Fellow Zenith Builders:
Can someone educate me on tires, tubes and wheels. I purchased the Grove 5.00
X 5 wheels & brakes and have a Matco 5.00 X 5 nose wheel on order. Why are inner
tubes so expensive? Aircraft Spruce shows tubes for 5.00 X 5 tires at $36.00
each for McCreary and $47.30 for Goodyear!
My first question is - How do you specify the tire - is the 5.00 X 5 tire correct
for all three wheels?
Secondly, are there any tubes out there for a reasonable price (under $20 each)?
Thanks in advance for the help,
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: VG's on canopy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" <meiste@essex1.com>
> Last night I installed VG's on my canopy. Today I went for a short flight
> to verify the effects. I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7
> MPH. The wind was blowing hard and that makes it turbulent around here, so
> it will be difficult to get a better number until things calm down some. I
> just made them out of aluminum the same way Kelly Meiste made his and
> spaced them 4 inches apart. They are mounted directly over my head so
> they
> don't block my view except to the side. Maybe someone (Kelly, hint) can
> make a set and install them on their plane to confirm my results. Sure is
> a
> cheap way to pick up a few MPH.
>
> Didn't someone on the list have some clear plastic VG's. I may have to buy
> a set.
>
> Randy Stout
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Randy,
Thanks for the post on your VG experiment, I'm not surprised at your
estimated results. The low turtle deck (high canopy) is really a speed
killer. I'm sure if the 601 had a similar turtle deck design as the Sonex we
would see the 5 MPH increase you claim to have found.
I'll be sure to give it a try as it's a cheap & easy way to gain a few MPH.
I once attached clear lexan VG's to the windscreen on my Challenger. Easy to
do just bend a piece of 1/16" thick lexan 90 deg & attach with some thin
double back tape and your in business.
Also if Jeff Small is monitoring the list, please chime in with your
findings (I believe he's also don't some research in this area with his
601).
Kelly Meiste
601 HD (with wing & stab VG's)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Fuel System |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Scott, now I know that no one would believe this, but I don't know how to put
pictures on e-mail. I have a digital camera with a little color screen in the
back that has a little card that plugs into an adapter on my computer, but I
have never used any of them. My wife, brilliant selector of husband and a
pretty good cook, can take pictures with it and she has some on our computer, but
she doesn't know the process either. Just think, I can assemble a plane from a
box of raw aluminum, but I can't do what probably any 7 year old American kid
can do. I will try to learn how it's done when my son comes home from
university for Christmas and send some photos. Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Feul resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schoenberger
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:35 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> As an alternate leak test, I might suggest a surgical glove fastened tight
> around the fill hole and a spare piece of 12" long fuel line on the tank
> outlet. Blow into the fuel line until the glove expands. Place a small C
> clamp on the hose to seal off that end. If the glove stays up, you're
> golden. No muss, no fuss. If it goes down, blow it up again, and spray
> some soapy water on the glove seal, the hose and look for leaks. Some
> muss,
> and a little fuss. I like this better than using gas. Robert
> Schoenberger
> 701
>
Just be aware that if you do this on a warm afternoon, and then later check
it on a cool morning, the glove will be deflated. You may be chasing a
nonexistent leak!
Kent
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| Subject: | 601 XL Fuel System |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Usually as long as you have the camera software loaded on your
computer...Should be on a DVD...you pug the cable into the camera and
the other end to your computer...turn the camera on and it will suck the
pictures out automatically.
Now you will find your pics in a folder on your computer in "My
Pctures"...open this folder and you will find thumbnail sized pics.
Now write an email, before you press "send" put your mouse pointer over
the thumbnail pic you want and hold the right button of your mouse
down.....slide the mouse over to the email window still holding the
right button down....release the button with the mouse pointer in the
email window.
Release the button and the email attachment should show up.
Now back to building airplanes,
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Scott, now I know that no one would believe this, but I don't know how
to put
pictures on e-mail. I have a digital camera with a little color screen
in the
back that has a little card that plugs into an adapter on my computer,
but I
have never used any of them. My wife, brilliant selector of husband and
a
pretty good cook, can take pictures with it and she has some on our
computer, but
she doesn't know the process either. Just think, I can assemble a plane
from a
box of raw aluminum, but I can't do what probably any 7 year old
American kid
can do. I will try to learn how it's done when my son comes home from
university for Christmas and send some photos. Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Feul resistant sealer? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Kent . . . even more interesting would be to start on a cool morning and
observe the results on a warm afternoon! Seriously, you're right. My
basement is a constant temp within a couple of degrees. Robert do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" <kentbrown@verizon.net>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schoenberger
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:35 AM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer?
>>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
>> <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> As an alternate leak test, I might suggest a surgical glove fastened
>> tight
>> around the fill hole and a spare piece of 12" long fuel line on the tank
>> outlet. Blow into the fuel line until the glove expands. Place a small
>> C
>> clamp on the hose to seal off that end. If the glove stays up, you're
>> golden. No muss, no fuss. If it goes down, blow it up again, and spray
>> some soapy water on the glove seal, the hose and look for leaks. Some
>> muss,
>> and a little fuss. I like this better than using gas. Robert
>> Schoenberger
>> 701
>>
>
> Just be aware that if you do this on a warm afternoon, and then later
> check
> it on a cool morning, the glove will be deflated. You may be chasing a
> nonexistent leak!
>
> Kent
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Go to Tractor Supply, about $8.00. Larry N1345L
Oh, to answer your question about why they are so expensive, it's because it
has the word "AirCraft" in front of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Fellow Zenith Builders:
>
> Can someone educate me on tires, tubes and wheels. I purchased the Grove
5.00 X 5 wheels & brakes and have a Matco 5.00 X 5 nose wheel on order. Why
are inner tubes so expensive? Aircraft Spruce shows tubes for 5.00 X 5
tires at $36.00 each for McCreary and $47.30 for Goodyear!
>
> My first question is - How do you specify the tire - is the 5.00 X 5 tire
correct for all three wheels?
>
> Secondly, are there any tubes out there for a reasonable price (under $20
each)?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | FAA inspection N601TD |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi builders and Zenair drivers,
I got the good news today and the bad news today. I requested that my
local MIDO office inspect my Zenair 601 HDS TD and got the tentative
inspection date of Jan 10. Apparently so far my paperwork is ok and the
inspector quite friendly. He casually mentioned that his office usually
doesn't do inspections but he is training a group of new inspectors with
his office and will bring a gang with him. Wonder what I am in for?
Anybody get caught on something not clear in the checklist? I am
generally encouraged and have been impressed with the friendly but
professional folks I have talked to at the MIDO.
Wish me luck-- I know what my late Christmas peasant will be.
Ron DeWees
N601TD Jab 3300
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| Subject: | Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
Yes, it
> does seem to be a mistake but I don't agree with the
> concept that a business
> should provide all services and goods for free. If
> I had broken the
> original nose fork then I would expect them to
> provide a free replacement
> for that part but expecting additional parts to be
> provided for free is a
> bit excessive in my opinion...
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Best Regards, Ray Montagne
> Cupertino, CA
Ray--
I never would suggest a concept such as: "business
should provide all services and goods for free."
That's a bit extreme...
I would propose that business (as well as government)
be held accountable for it's actions. When mistakes
are made, remedies should be forthcoming. [what
happened to that conservative mantra??]
In our case, the fault was in selling a "complete
kit" which was, in fact, deficient of a critical part
(not an "additional part"). In the auto industry,
this would trigger an immediate recall, without
hesitation or charge.
Sure, I'll send in my $40, but you won't convince me
that there's not enough margin in that $15,900 to
cover the manufacturing cost of sending those doublers
out to the kit buyers. Makes me wonder about ZAC's
concept of good will....
But keep on building... it's still a great airplane.
--Rico
[dropping the topic] do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Yes. Apparantly, some have done tuft test on the canopy and there is an
area that the air flow breaks away from the canopy.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Jones <fjones@sympatico.ca>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/20/04 2:56:51 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
>
> >I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7
> >MPH.
>
> Randy,
>
> I don't get how VGs on the canopy, or anywhere else for that matter,
> improve the top end speed. Is it because of flow separation on the
> trailing end of the canopy without them?
>
> Frank Jones
> C-GYXQ Ottawa
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Fuel System Photos |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Scott, Frank, & Carlos, and Thread, wellI I took some pics of the beast and
have instructions from Frank so if these dammed things go to cycber space hell
at least I tied. The fuel valve is made by Allen Aircraft and is a 6S122,
Spruce # 05-29520. Here goes, regards, Bill of Georgia
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