---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/20/04: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:58 AM - rollover protection (Grant Corriveau) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet (Robert Schoenberger) 3. 08:37 AM - Re: FW: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. (george may) 4. 08:47 AM - Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet (VideoFlyer@aol.com) 5. 09:05 AM - VG's on canopy (Randy Stout) 6. 09:06 AM - Re: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 7. 09:09 AM - 601 XL Fuel System (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? (Jack Russell) 9. 09:37 AM - Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? (Ray Montagne) 10. 10:22 AM - Re: rollover protection (Bryan Martin) 11. 10:51 AM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System (N5SL) 12. 11:58 AM - Re: Drilling Holes Fun or Profit (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 13. 12:14 PM - Brake Master Cylinders () 14. 12:57 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (Frank Jones) 15. 01:40 PM - Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. (N5SL) 16. 02:08 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (The Meiste's) 17. 02:43 PM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 18. 02:49 PM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Kent Brown) 19. 03:15 PM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 20. 04:38 PM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Robert Schoenberger) 21. 07:26 PM - Re: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. (Larry Martin) 22. 07:49 PM - FAA inspection N601TD (ron dewees) 23. 08:34 PM - Re: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? (Rico Voss) 24. 09:15 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (Randy Stout) 25. 09:31 PM - 601 XL Fuel System Photos (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:52 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: rollover protection From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > the harm to the plane was minimal and the pilot and passenger walked > out unharmed, This is easier to do in a high wing aircraft. My concern isn't with surviving the rollover so much as wondering how I'll get out afterwards. Espcecially if it happens in an isolated area. I wondered about a rear-sliding canopy mod, but couldn't come up with anything workable -- and after a rollover how much could that be counted on NOT to jam shut anyways... maybe I'll design a big 'red-handled' explosive-bolt jettisonable canopy that I can 'blow' at the first sign of trouble... ;-) ? Life is dangerous! birth causes death... no perfect solutions.., -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:36 AM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Thinking out of the box a bit, the loud type compressor doesn't have to be in the work area. I build in the basement and have my compressor in the first floor garage with the hose running through the band joist to the basement. There's a switch in the basement to turn it on. Noise level is quite acceptable. Robert Schoenberger 701 45% ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Osborne" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Todd Osborne > > I can't speak for all compressors, but I bought one of the "quiet" ones > too. Yeah, it's quiet, compared to shotgun, but still more than noisy > enough to wake the neighbors if I use it outside. > > Todd Osborne > Internet E-Mail: todd@toddtown.com > Web Site: www.toddtown.com > MSN (Windows) Messenger: todd@toddtown.com > AOL Instant Messenger: toddosborn@aol.com > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:02 AM PST US From: "george may" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" Brian-- Thanks for this update. I ordered my new doubler this morning George May 601XL >From: Bryan Martin >Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com >To: Zenith List >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FW: TECH SUPPORT - Zenith Aircraft Co. >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:28:06 -0500 > >--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin > >on 12/19/04 9:45 PM, Jack Russell at clojan@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell > > > > > > 601XL builders may want to check this out.I got this Friday. > > > > Since I can't seem to get the pdf. to load would someone tell me what >Zac is > > saying about the nose gear. Thanks Jack in Clovis CA > > >Try this link instead: > > >http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/601xl-nose-wheel-fork-letter.pdf > > >-- >Bryan Martin >N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. >In Phase I testing. >do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:39 AM PST US From: VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com I've used cordless drills alot. In fact I have several cordless drills of varying sizes. The smallest one works the best...it's the lightest and frankly it doesn't take a lot of power to drill through sheet aluminum. But the batteries never last as long as you'd like. Seems like I'm ready for a new battery before the charger is done with the old one. But I bought a used pneumatic drill at a garage sale. And I have used it ever since. I know, you have to drag an air hose around, but the speed and the compactness make up for it. I vote for pneumatic. And I've used both. Dave ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:41 AM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Zodiac Flyers Last night I installed VG's on my canopy. Today I went for a short flight to verify the effects. I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7 MPH. The wind was blowing hard and that makes it turbulent around here, so it will be difficult to get a better number until things calm down some. I just made them out of aluminum the same way Kelly Meiste made his and spaced them 4 inches apart. They are mounted directly over my head so they don't block my view except to the side. Maybe someone (Kelly, hint) can make a set and install them on their plane to confirm my results. Sure is a cheap way to pick up a few MPH. Didn't someone on the list have some clear plastic VG's. I may have to buy a set. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 40 hours complete! But does the experimentation ever end? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:51 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I would agree, the only proviso being that you have an air (I can't spell pnuematic..:)..) you turn the air down a little so that you get a slow start that stops the #40 pilot drill bit wandering. Yes the speed (expecially on the smaller drill bits) makes the air drill a winner. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VideoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Thought Cordless by now maybe Air if it's quiet --> Zenith-List message posted by: VideoFlyer@aol.com I've used cordless drills alot. In fact I have several cordless drills of varying sizes. The smallest one works the best...it's the lightest and frankly it doesn't take a lot of power to drill through sheet aluminum. But the batteries never last as long as you'd like. Seems like I'm ready for a new battery before the charger is done with the old one. But I bought a used pneumatic drill at a garage sale. And I have used it ever since. I know, you have to drag an air hose around, but the speed and the compactness make up for it. I vote for pneumatic. And I've used both. Dave ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:17 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Hello fellow Builders, I want to thank the guys who offered advise on how to replace my fuel valves. I took the advise and returned the English valve and purchased an OFF, Left & Right valve. Cheaper, smaller and less complex. I mounted it to the floor in front of the gasolator and plumbed the lines with 1/4 inch alum line. It went together great. I became inventive on running the remote control to the console. Spruce had nothing so I milled a 1/4 inch universal joint from my Craftsman ratchet set (never used it anyway) to fit the top of the valve control stem. Then I took one of the ZAC steel throttle rod (that I did not use but paid too much for) and welded a socket to it. I madea control face plate mounted to the console face and welded a handle to the end. I also drilled a 1/16 hole through the socket and end of universal joint end so I could secure the rod and remove the console when necessary. Works so well and I am so proud I just had to tell someone. I made a small shield from scrap L angle to protect from heal strikes. What is impressive is that I weighted the ZAC system with bulky brass connectors, valves, rubber hose and clamps compared to the new system and the undated version is almost half as much. Why would ZAC sell us an obsolete, unreliable and heavier system ? Which is not as safe or user friendly? Anyone who is still building wings and fuselage I would strongly recommend you go with all metal fuel lines and single control valve. Ever try to get a rubber hose off a barbed brass fitting while standing on your head without destroying the hose? Anyone who wants to see what I did write me. Update: I finished the last painting Sunday p.m. and will haul to hanger mid week. Almost finished and want to fly. Thanks again for the advise. Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:30 AM PST US From: Jack Russell Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell Rico: I agree with you 100%. I ordered the part today and wrote "ordered under protest!" in big letters accross the order form. I think we should all make our feeling known to Zac about this one. They did replace my wing skins(several of us had skins drilled wrong) at no charge which were more expensive than this part. By the way, Mark Townsend suggested that I download a current version of Adobe reader to be able to open the file from ZAC. It worked. Jack in Clovis Ca On Seats and Insturments. do not archive Rico Voss wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss Jack, The note from Chris is posted on their ZAC's site, under Important note from the designer. Says..."Upon inspection of several aircraft it's come to my attention that the original nosewheel fork of the XL is quite flexible with side loads, and that cracks may begin to form ... with excessive side loads..." Then goes on to say that ZAC will be glad to send out a doubler for $40; order form attached. Granted, the $40 aint a big thing. It's their attitude that chafes me. This is *NOT* a newly discovered defect in the design. This *IS* an obvious omission in the creation of the XL drawings. XL is merely a refinement of the 601HD and HDS models. They (and the 701) all have doublers, as has been pointed out. The fact that the XL drawings dont have the doubler is a mistake in drawing up the plans, not a design problem. And for the record, my irritation is not with with the design. I think Chris has put together a series of extremely practical and simple-to-build designs. my gripe is with the boys in Mexico. Their obsession with marketing, and relying on their builders to correct the multitude of mistakes that came out with the original drawings. I came in a year after Mike and Mark and others, who have had to contend the early flood of problems-- many trivial, but many not. As for ZAC communicating this problem with their builders --- ZAC has the mailing address and email for all of their customers. Did they voluntarily send out notice? -- No, they didn't even respond until they were pushed into it. And then it's only a "note from Chris", buried in their site as an notice from the designer. Not exactly my idea of a "recall". AS one of the many who has plopped down $16 big ones for the kit, I am offended that ZAC wants to suck $40 out of my pocket to correct a problem that they created, that they should have caught, and they should now correct.... Not my idea of good public relations. Respectfully, Rico [tripped up by the soapbox] [sorry, guys -- it's lack of sleep from standing the midnight watch. But I've been waiting for the opportunity] and right, do not archive __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? From: Ray Montagne --> Zenith-List message posted by: Ray Montagne On 12/20/04 9:09 AM, "Jack Russell" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell > > Rico: I agree with you 100%. I ordered the part today and wrote "ordered under > protest!" in big letters accross the order form. I think we should all make > our feeling known to Zac about this one. They did replace my wing > skins(several of us had skins drilled wrong) at no charge which were more > expensive than this part. By the way, Mark Townsend suggested that I > download a current version of Adobe reader to be able to open the file from > ZAC. It worked. > Jack in Clovis Ca > On Seats and Insturments. > do not archive > Rico Voss wrote: I'll be ordering but not under protest. Had this been included in the original kit then the cost would have been rolled in at that time. Yes, it does seem to be a mistake but I don't agree with the concept that a business should provide all services and goods for free. If I had broken the original nose fork then I would expect them to provide a free replacement for that part but expecting additional parts to be provided for free is a bit excessive in my opinion... DO NOT ARCHIVE Best Regards, Ray Montagne Cupertino, CA =========================================================================== Zenith Aircraft Zodiac CH-601-XL Build Status: Rudder completed Elevator Completed Stabilizer Completed Flaps Completed Ailerons Completed Right Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Left Wing Completed Right Wing Tip Completed Fuselage Under Construction NOTE: Heavy SPAM filters in place. Replies that do not include the word 'Zenith' or 'Zodiac' in the subject line will be rejected and will not be viewable by me. =========================================================================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: rollover protection From: Bryan Martin --> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin on 12/20/04 10:53 AM, Grant Corriveau at grantc@ca.inter.net wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > >> the harm to the plane was minimal and the pilot and passenger walked >> out unharmed, > > This is easier to do in a high wing aircraft. My concern isn't with > surviving the rollover so much as wondering how I'll get out afterwards. > Espcecially if it happens in an isolated area. I wondered about a > rear-sliding canopy mod, but couldn't come up with anything workable -- and > after a rollover how much could that be counted on NOT to jam shut > anyways... maybe I'll design a big 'red-handled' explosive-bolt jettisonable > canopy that I can 'blow' at the first sign of trouble... ;-) ? Carry a hatchet in the plane to use as a canopy breaker to smash your way out. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru. In Phase I testing. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:54 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Bill you are just teasing us with that description! Send me some photos and I'll put them on my website. I'm sure David Barth and Mark Townsend would be happy to put them on ch601.org as well. Scott Laughlin N5SL(reserved) www.cooknwithgas.com JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Hello fellow Builders, I want to thank the guys who offered advise on how to replace my fuel valves. I took the advise and returned the English valve and purchased an OFF, Left & Right valve. Cheaper, smaller and less complex. I mounted it to the floor in front of the gasolator and plumbed the lines with 1/4 inch alum line. It went together great. I became inventive on running the remote control to the console. Spruce had nothing so I milled a 1/4 inch universal joint from my Craftsman ratchet set (never used it anyway) to fit the top of the valve control stem. Then I took one of the ZAC steel throttle rod (that I did not use but paid too much for) and welded a socket to it. I madea control face plate mounted to the console face and welded a handle to the end. I also drilled a 1/16 hole through the socket and end of universal joint end so I could secure the rod and remove the console when necessary. Works so well and I am so proud I just had to tell someone. I made a small shield from scrap L angle to protect from heal strikes. What is impressive is that I weighted the ZAC system with bulky brass connectors, valves, rubber hose and clamps compared to the new system and the undated version is almost half as much. Why would ZAC sell us an obsolete, unreliable and heavier system ? Which is not as safe or user friendly? Anyone who is still building wings and fuselage I would strongly recommend you go with all metal fuel lines and single control valve. Ever try to get a rubber hose off a barbed brass fitting while standing on your head without destroying the hose? Anyone who wants to see what I did write me. Update: I finished the last painting Sunday p.m. and will haul to hanger mid week. Almost finished and want to fly. Thanks again for the advise. Bill of Georgia --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:15 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drilling Holes Fun or Profit --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Thread Friends, Having just completed my XL I can say a couple things are sure. After drilling the couple million holes you have to do to build a XL you either can or cannot drill straight. If your eyes and judgment are good enough to flare a plane on landing you can drill a hole straight without level bubbles. The thing about drills is that an air drill of even poor quality will drill a cleaner hole than any electric drill. Less moving parts to cause wobble. Not to mention the speed and ease of use. Sure the compressor may make a racket and the hose is a burden, but you need air to blow out the product from the seams anyway and you will also need an angle drill adapter many times. Only the air drill will reach sufficient speed to cleanly cut with the adapter down gear. Course I used the electric drill for some things, but with the volume only the air beast will get you done quickly. What I would recommend to any builder is the Drill Doctor bit sharpener. I wore out one and am working on my second ( first one replaced free of charge from the factory by the way). I would only use a bit about a dozen holes before rechucking a freshly sharpened bit. Made for quick, clean holes. Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:03 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Brake Master Cylinders Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:11:58 -0600 --> Zenith-List message posted by: I'm just about at the stage to order a set of master cylinders, and though I'd ask: What are people using, and happy with? I was thinking of Matco's, but looked at the Italian master cylinders from ACS, which look pretty compact. Price differential isn't all that much. I had a good look at the Italian wheel system on Pat Lorie's Czech 601, and was pretty impressed with them. Anybody want to comment? Paul Rodriguez 601XL-Corvair slaaaaaaving on the fuselage ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:54 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" >I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7 >MPH. Randy, I don't get how VGs on the canopy, or anywhere else for that matter, improve the top end speed. Is it because of flow separation on the trailing end of the canopy without them? Frank Jones C-GYXQ Ottawa ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:41 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Zenith-List: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Fellow Zenith Builders: Can someone educate me on tires, tubes and wheels. I purchased the Grove 5.00 X 5 wheels & brakes and have a Matco 5.00 X 5 nose wheel on order. Why are inner tubes so expensive? Aircraft Spruce shows tubes for 5.00 X 5 tires at $36.00 each for McCreary and $47.30 for Goodyear! My first question is - How do you specify the tire - is the 5.00 X 5 tire correct for all three wheels? Secondly, are there any tubes out there for a reasonable price (under $20 each)? Thanks in advance for the help, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:25 PM PST US From: "The Meiste's" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" > Last night I installed VG's on my canopy. Today I went for a short flight > to verify the effects. I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7 > MPH. The wind was blowing hard and that makes it turbulent around here, so > it will be difficult to get a better number until things calm down some. I > just made them out of aluminum the same way Kelly Meiste made his and > spaced them 4 inches apart. They are mounted directly over my head so > they > don't block my view except to the side. Maybe someone (Kelly, hint) can > make a set and install them on their plane to confirm my results. Sure is > a > cheap way to pick up a few MPH. > > Didn't someone on the list have some clear plastic VG's. I may have to buy > a set. > > Randy Stout +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy, Thanks for the post on your VG experiment, I'm not surprised at your estimated results. The low turtle deck (high canopy) is really a speed killer. I'm sure if the 601 had a similar turtle deck design as the Sonex we would see the 5 MPH increase you claim to have found. I'll be sure to give it a try as it's a cheap & easy way to gain a few MPH. I once attached clear lexan VG's to the windscreen on my Challenger. Easy to do just bend a piece of 1/16" thick lexan 90 deg & attach with some thin double back tape and your in business. Also if Jeff Small is monitoring the list, please chime in with your findings (I believe he's also don't some research in this area with his 601). Kelly Meiste 601 HD (with wing & stab VG's) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:55 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Scott, now I know that no one would believe this, but I don't know how to put pictures on e-mail. I have a digital camera with a little color screen in the back that has a little card that plugs into an adapter on my computer, but I have never used any of them. My wife, brilliant selector of husband and a pretty good cook, can take pictures with it and she has some on our computer, but she doesn't know the process either. Just think, I can assemble a plane from a box of raw aluminum, but I can't do what probably any 7 year old American kid can do. I will try to learn how it's done when my son comes home from university for Christmas and send some photos. Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:58 PM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schoenberger > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:35 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > > As an alternate leak test, I might suggest a surgical glove fastened tight > around the fill hole and a spare piece of 12" long fuel line on the tank > outlet. Blow into the fuel line until the glove expands. Place a small C > clamp on the hose to seal off that end. If the glove stays up, you're > golden. No muss, no fuss. If it goes down, blow it up again, and spray > some soapy water on the glove seal, the hose and look for leaks. Some > muss, > and a little fuss. I like this better than using gas. Robert > Schoenberger > 701 > Just be aware that if you do this on a warm afternoon, and then later check it on a cool morning, the glove will be deflated. You may be chasing a nonexistent leak! Kent ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:22 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Usually as long as you have the camera software loaded on your computer...Should be on a DVD...you pug the cable into the camera and the other end to your computer...turn the camera on and it will suck the pictures out automatically. Now you will find your pics in a folder on your computer in "My Pctures"...open this folder and you will find thumbnail sized pics. Now write an email, before you press "send" put your mouse pointer over the thumbnail pic you want and hold the right button of your mouse down.....slide the mouse over to the email window still holding the right button down....release the button with the mouse pointer in the email window. Release the button and the email attachment should show up. Now back to building airplanes, Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Scott, now I know that no one would believe this, but I don't know how to put pictures on e-mail. I have a digital camera with a little color screen in the back that has a little card that plugs into an adapter on my computer, but I have never used any of them. My wife, brilliant selector of husband and a pretty good cook, can take pictures with it and she has some on our computer, but she doesn't know the process either. Just think, I can assemble a plane from a box of raw aluminum, but I can't do what probably any 7 year old American kid can do. I will try to learn how it's done when my son comes home from university for Christmas and send some photos. Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:36 PM PST US From: "Robert Schoenberger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" Kent . . . even more interesting would be to start on a cool morning and observe the results on a warm afternoon! Seriously, you're right. My basement is a constant temp within a couple of degrees. Robert do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list- >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schoenberger >> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:35 AM >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? >> >> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" >> >> >> As an alternate leak test, I might suggest a surgical glove fastened >> tight >> around the fill hole and a spare piece of 12" long fuel line on the tank >> outlet. Blow into the fuel line until the glove expands. Place a small >> C >> clamp on the hose to seal off that end. If the glove stays up, you're >> golden. No muss, no fuss. If it goes down, blow it up again, and spray >> some soapy water on the glove seal, the hose and look for leaks. Some >> muss, >> and a little fuss. I like this better than using gas. Robert >> Schoenberger >> 701 >> > > Just be aware that if you do this on a warm afternoon, and then later > check > it on a cool morning, the glove will be deflated. You may be chasing a > nonexistent leak! > > Kent > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:07 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Go to Tractor Supply, about $8.00. Larry N1345L Oh, to answer your question about why they are so expensive, it's because it has the word "AirCraft" in front of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "N5SL" Subject: Zenith-List: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Fellow Zenith Builders: > > Can someone educate me on tires, tubes and wheels. I purchased the Grove 5.00 X 5 wheels & brakes and have a Matco 5.00 X 5 nose wheel on order. Why are inner tubes so expensive? Aircraft Spruce shows tubes for 5.00 X 5 tires at $36.00 each for McCreary and $47.30 for Goodyear! > > My first question is - How do you specify the tire - is the 5.00 X 5 tire correct for all three wheels? > > Secondly, are there any tubes out there for a reasonable price (under $20 each)? > > Thanks in advance for the help, > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:33 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Zenith-List: FAA inspection N601TD --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi builders and Zenair drivers, I got the good news today and the bad news today. I requested that my local MIDO office inspect my Zenair 601 HDS TD and got the tentative inspection date of Jan 10. Apparently so far my paperwork is ok and the inspector quite friendly. He casually mentioned that his office usually doesn't do inspections but he is training a group of new inspectors with his office and will bring a gang with him. Wonder what I am in for? Anybody get caught on something not clear in the checklist? I am generally encouraged and have been impressed with the friendly but professional folks I have talked to at the MIDO. Wish me luck-- I know what my late Christmas peasant will be. Ron DeWees N601TD Jab 3300 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:08 PM PST US From: Rico Voss Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL Nose Fork "Recall" ???? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss Yes, it > does seem to be a mistake but I don't agree with the > concept that a business > should provide all services and goods for free. If > I had broken the > original nose fork then I would expect them to > provide a free replacement > for that part but expecting additional parts to be > provided for free is a > bit excessive in my opinion... > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Best Regards, Ray Montagne > Cupertino, CA Ray-- I never would suggest a concept such as: "business should provide all services and goods for free." That's a bit extreme... I would propose that business (as well as government) be held accountable for it's actions. When mistakes are made, remedies should be forthcoming. [what happened to that conservative mantra??] In our case, the fault was in selling a "complete kit" which was, in fact, deficient of a critical part (not an "additional part"). In the auto industry, this would trigger an immediate recall, without hesitation or charge. Sure, I'll send in my $40, but you won't convince me that there's not enough margin in that $15,900 to cover the manufacturing cost of sending those doublers out to the kit buyers. Makes me wonder about ZAC's concept of good will.... But keep on building... it's still a great airplane. --Rico [dropping the topic] do not archive __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:03 PM PST US From: "Randy Stout" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" Yes. Apparantly, some have done tuft test on the canopy and there is an area that the air flow breaks away from the canopy. Randy Stout n282rs"at"earthlink.net www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21 > [Original Message] > From: Frank Jones > To: > Date: 12/20/04 2:56:51 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" > > >I'm pretty sure I picked up at least 5 MPH, maybe 7 > >MPH. > > Randy, > > I don't get how VGs on the canopy, or anywhere else for that matter, > improve the top end speed. Is it because of flow separation on the > trailing end of the canopy without them? > > Frank Jones > C-GYXQ Ottawa > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:52 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Scott, Frank, & Carlos, and Thread, wellI I took some pics of the beast and have instructions from Frank so if these dammed things go to cycber space hell at least I tied. The fuel valve is made by Allen Aircraft and is a 6S122, Spruce # 05-29520. Here goes, regards, Bill of Georgia