---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/21/04: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Re: Etching skins (Thilo Kind) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: FAA inspection N601TD (cgalley) 3. 04:53 AM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System Photos (Carlos Sa) 4. 04:55 AM - Re: FAA inspection N601TD (Michel Therrien) 5. 06:10 AM - Re: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. (N5SL) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: FAA inspection N601TD (Jeff Small) 7. 10:11 AM - Re: Feul resistant sealer? (Kent Brown) 8. 11:05 AM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System Photos (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 9. 11:10 AM - 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part (royt.or@netzero.com) 10. 11:23 AM - Re: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 11. 11:24 AM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System Photos (N5SL) 12. 11:27 AM - Re: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part (Carlos Sa) 13. 12:05 PM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System Photos (Carlos Sa) 14. 12:20 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (Frank Jones) 15. 12:26 PM - Re: 601 XL Fuel System Photos (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 16. 12:39 PM - Re: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part (Larry McFarland) 17. 12:56 PM - Re: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part (royt.or@netzero.com) 18. 04:34 PM - Re: VG's on canopy (The Meiste's) 19. 06:35 PM - Re: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part (Gary Gower) 20. 07:11 PM - microsoft flight simulator (Bob Miller) 21. 07:24 PM - Parts for Sale 601HD (Jon Croke) 22. 07:46 PM - Now part of the community of pilots! (Michel Therrien) 23. 08:46 PM - Re: Now part of the community of pilots! (Larry McFarland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:42 AM PST US From: "Thilo Kind" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Etching skins --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" Hi Matt, I only used Scotch brite (the red one), cleaned with an organic solvent, apllied zinc chromate and a primer, then a again a little bit Scotch brite, followed by paint. That was 3 years ago - no prblem so far. Happy painting Thilo Kind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Zenith-List: Etching skins > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" > > Hello all. Want to get some advice. > > I have been using alumaprep, alodine and then zinc oxide primer for all the ribs, spars and internal parts. I finished the rudder and only primed the internal surfaces of the skins where it was contacting the ribs. I buffed the skins with scotch brite before priming. My original plan was to etch and alodine the skins before assembly but decided against it. I was concerned that I might bend the skins during the process. So I just prepared the skins inside and assembled. I am a little concerned about using alumaprep for etching the final assembled part. With all the rivets it may be tough to rinse it thoroughly. I figuring with the rudder I can always prepare with scotch brite. But want to get some advice before I skin the stab. > > My question is, what is the best way to prepare the external skins. Before assembly, after, alumaprep, scotch bite, does two part epoxy primer requite etching ??? > > Cheers. > > Matt > 601 XL > rudder done, working on the stab > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:19 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA inspection N601TD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" The more eyeballs the better. You really are fortunate unless they are going to nit pick your paper work. Remember, just one inspector by him self can cause pain. You might find that the many inspectors could tend to reach a good consensus rather than a one wrong answer. Cy Galley EAA Safety Programs Editor Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron dewees" Subject: Zenith-List: FAA inspection N601TD > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > Hi builders and Zenair drivers, > I got the good news today and the bad news today. I requested that my > local MIDO office inspect my Zenair 601 HDS TD and got the tentative > inspection date of Jan 10. Apparently so far my paperwork is ok and the > inspector quite friendly. He casually mentioned that his office usually > doesn't do inspections but he is training a group of new inspectors with > his office and will bring a gang with him. Wonder what I am in for? > Anybody get caught on something not clear in the checklist? I am > generally encouraged and have been impressed with the friendly but > professional folks I have talked to at the MIDO. > Wish me luck-- I know what my late Christmas peasant will be. > > Ron DeWees > N601TD Jab 3300 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:21 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Bill, the Matronics list removes all attachments. You need to either/both send to individual interested subscribers or send to the Photoshare - I pasted instructions below. Regards Carlos do not archive ------- If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email pictures and files along with the information above to: pictures@matronics.com ------- --- JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com > > Scott, Frank, & Carlos, and Thread, wellI I took some pics of the beast and > have instructions from Frank so if these dammed things go to cycber space hell > at least I tied. The fuel valve is made by Allen Aircraft and is a 6S122, > Spruce # 05-29520. Here goes, regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:55 AM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA inspection N601TD --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Ron, I don't know how it is in the US, but my experience in Canada says "don't bring your headset on the inspection day... you'll not need them". I passed the pre-cover inspection in two stages without a single snag... and despite my will to have a perfect plane for the inspection, I had a list of 16 snags at the final inspection. It took a couple of weeks to correct them all. So... this being said, relax be prepared for a few corrections. The corrections I had to do were: . safety wire at various places (distributor cap, gascolator...) . capacity label for the baggage compartment . firewall seals around the push rods (I had to make leather boots) . verify battery tray design (checked with C. Heintz) . verify propellor attachment (checked with Warp Drive) . .... Michel --- ron dewees wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees > > > Hi builders and Zenair drivers, > I got the good news today and the bad news today. I > requested that my > local MIDO office inspect my Zenair 601 HDS TD and > got the tentative > inspection date of Jan 10. Apparently so far my > paperwork is ok and the > inspector quite friendly. He casually mentioned > that his office usually > doesn't do inspections but he is training a group of > new inspectors with > his office and will bring a gang with him. Wonder > what I am in for? > Anybody get caught on something not clear in the > checklist? I am > generally encouraged and have been impressed with > the friendly but > professional folks I have talked to at the MIDO. > Wish me luck-- I know what my late Christmas > peasant will be. > > Ron DeWees > N601TD Jab 3300 > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:38 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dumb Question - Inner Tubes, Wheels and Tires. --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Thanks Larry. DO NOT ARCHIVE Larry Martin wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" Go to Tractor Supply, about $8.00. Larry N1345L --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:26 AM PST US From: "Jeff Small" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FAA inspection N601TD Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:37:37 -0600 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" Ron, Many eyes will be good unless the head honcho wants to shove his authority around. Make sure your gascolator is safetied, no loose runs of wires unsupported anywhere, and that the green, yellow, red, segments on the airspeed indicator are applied. Make sure your green goes below 50 mph just a bit - you DO want to be a Light Sport Aircraft - remember?!?!?!? You'll be fine. Best of Holidays...jeff He casually mentioned that his office usually doesn't do inspections but he is training a group of new inspectors with his office and will bring a gang with him. Wonder what I am in for? Anybody get caught on something not clear in the checklist? I am generally encouraged and have been impressed with the friendly but professional folks I have talked to at the MIDO. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:20 AM PST US From: "Kent Brown" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" Robert, This condition would indicate a fuel tank that constantly refills itself and is to be encouraged if possible! Maybe need a bigger vent, though. Kent Do not archive > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" > > > Kent . . . even more interesting would be to start on a cool morning and > observe the results on a warm afternoon! Seriously, you're right. My > basement is a constant temp within a couple of degrees. Robert do not > archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Brown" > To: > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Feul resistant sealer? > > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Kent Brown" > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> As an alternate leak test, I might suggest a surgical glove fastened > >> tight > >> around the fill hole and a spare piece of 12" long fuel line on the > tank > >> outlet. Blow into the fuel line until the glove expands. Place a > small > >> C > >> clamp on the hose to seal off that end. If the glove stays up, you're > >> golden > >> > > Robert, > > Just be aware that if you do this on a warm afternoon, and then later > > check > > it on a cool morning, the glove will be deflated. You may be chasing a > > nonexistent leak! > > > > Kent > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:44 AM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Carlos, I did not know the thread removed the photos. I sent them to Scott and he received them. I will try to send them directly to you this evening. Is there a faster way to get them attached ? It took 57 minutes run time to send them last night. Regards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:28 AM PST US From: "royt.or@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" Or how to close a runway at a Tower controlled airport with a Jet on 3 mile final! Thursday evening, 12/16/04, after making a normal approach to landing, when I applied the brakes in my CH601HDS w/tricycle gear, the left main gear failed. The plane has 318 hours total time and has made 403 landings. (No one was hurt and there is comparatively little damage to the plane. None of the wings, fuselage, propeller etc touched the ground. There is a 2-3 inch hole in the bottom wing skin behind the main gear box). The left entry step was damaged. The left wing root fairing was crunched while moving the plane off the active runway.) The HD&HDS main gear legs are 2in steel tubes that have a square steel plate welded to the bottom with a butt joint. Same design as the nose gear in all 601s and I believe all 701s. The square steel plate that the wheel fork bolts to failed around the weld. The weld itself held and is attached to the landing gear tube still. Several mechanical engineers have looked at the failed parts and believe the weld was not properly heat treated and or stress relieved. I'm not ready to post pictures, but if you are keenely interested send me a private message and I'll send a copy with the understanding they will not be forwarded or posted. I met with the FAA who said there did not appear to be a problem with my piloting. I talked to the NTSB who classified this as an incident. The FAA person said it would not be classified as an accident, but did not use the word incident. I've sent an email to Zenith with several questions. Happy Holidays and Best Regards, Roy N601RT ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Damn Roy! Glad to hear your OK and the plane is not too badly off. I hope that ZAC will determine the cause and write to all the builders as necessary? Have a Merry Christmas and I hope you get the bird back in the air soon. Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of royt.or@netzero.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" --> Or how to close a runway at a Tower controlled airport with a Jet on 3 mile final! Thursday evening, 12/16/04, after making a normal approach to landing, when I applied the brakes in my CH601HDS w/tricycle gear, the left main gear failed. The plane has 318 hours total time and has made 403 landings. (No one was hurt and there is comparatively little damage to the plane. None of the wings, fuselage, propeller etc touched the ground. There is a 2-3 inch hole in the bottom wing skin behind the main gear box). The left entry step was damaged. The left wing root fairing was crunched while moving the plane off the active runway.) The HD&HDS main gear legs are 2in steel tubes that have a square steel plate welded to the bottom with a butt joint. Same design as the nose gear in all 601s and I believe all 701s. The square steel plate that the wheel fork bolts to failed around the weld. The weld itself held and is attached to the landing gear tube still. Several mechanical engineers have looked at the failed parts and believe the weld was not properly heat treated and or stress relieved. I'm not ready to post pictures, but if you are keenely interested send me a private message and I'll send a copy with the understanding they will not be forwarded or posted. I met with the FAA who said there did not appear to be a problem with my piloting. I talked to the NTSB who classified this as an incident. The FAA person said it would not be classified as an accident, but did not use the word incident. I've sent an email to Zenith with several questions. Happy Holidays and Best Regards, Roy N601RT ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:23 AM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Bill and Carlos: Let me put them on my website so everybody can look at them. I'll put them at : http://www.cooknwithgas.com/GeorgiaBill.html It should be working in 10 or 15 minutes. Scott. JAPhillipsGA@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Carlos, I did not know the thread removed the photos. I sent them to Scott and he received them. I will try to send them directly to you this evening. Is there a faster way to get them attached ? It took 57 minutes run time to send them last night. Regards, Bill of Georgia --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:25 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa I'm happy you are still in one piece - and most of the 601 as well. I presume your aircraft is kit-built (as opposed to plans)? Carlos do not archive --- "royt.or@netzero.com" wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" > > > Or how to close a runway at a Tower controlled airport with a Jet on 3 mile final! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:43 PM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Thanks for posting the pictures, Scott By the way, there is a typo on the link in the last thumbnail - it should point to Bil13.JPG, not Bill3.JPG. Bill, nice work! Thanks for the pics! Carlos do not archive --- N5SL wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Bill and Carlos: > > Let me put them on my website so everybody can look at them. I'll put them at : > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/GeorgiaBill.html > > It should be working in 10 or 15 minutes. > > Scott. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:28 PM PST US From: "Frank Jones" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" I'd like to try the same thing out on mine and I'll report back any speed improvement. Can you tell me where you placed them on the canopy? Do you have a picture? Info I have from Kelly's wing VGs is to place the centers of the pairs 7.35" apart with each pair at 38 degrees to each other and 2.45" apart at the leading edge. Would they be best placed at the position on the canopy that is tangent to the longerons? Btw I just bent a VG made of 1/16" lexan in the oven and it looks good. Double sided clear tape to attach would make them fairly invisible. Frank Jones ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:50 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" OK so I promise...OK I can't promise but I'll try not to go off on the dangers of vapour lock again but...Bill where are your fuel pupms located?...Is this a wing tank only plane?...I assume you are not relying on a firewall mounted or engine driven pump????? Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Fuel System Photos --> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Thanks for posting the pictures, Scott By the way, there is a typo on the link in the last thumbnail - it should point to Bil13.JPG, not Bill3.JPG. Bill, nice work! Thanks for the pics! Carlos do not archive --- N5SL wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL > > Bill and Carlos: > > Let me put them on my website so everybody can look at them. I'll put > them at : > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/GeorgiaBill.html > > It should be working in 10 or 15 minutes. > > Scott. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:25 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" > > The square steel plate that the wheel fork bolts to failed around the weld. The weld itself held and is attached to the landing gear tube still. Several mechanical engineers have looked at the failed parts and believe the weld was not properly heat treated and or stress relieved. I'm not ready to post pictures, but if you are keenely interested send me a private message and I'll send a copy with the understanding they will not be forwarded or posted. > Roy > N601RT Roy, Very sorry to hear of your difficulty with the landing gear. This is the first time I've heard of one of these breaking. I used to be responsible for Army weld process and equipment, so from this experience, I can offer a best estimate of how to look at this. If the plate totally separated from the weld with the weld still attached to the gear, I'd say that the weld was a cold-weld with less than adequate penetration. If the weld still attached to the tube, has a ring of plate attached to it, one could presume that the weld was cooled too rapidly and stresses on the perimeter of the weld fractured the plate because the plate became brittle and the tube had shrinkage. Stress relieving a weld that is done wrong will not often correct the problem of imbrittlement, only lessen the odds of fracture due to shrinkage. I'd guess at the very least that Zenith owes you a new gear leg. Pleased to hear you're O.K. and the airplane isn't worse off. Larry McFarland - 601HDS ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:02 PM PST US From: "royt.or@netzero.com" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" Carlos, Yes my plane was built from a kit with the part that failed coming from Zenith in May of 1997. Regards, Roy ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:34 PM PST US From: "The Meiste's" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: VG's on canopy --> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Meiste's" Can you tell me where you placed them on the canopy? > Info I have from Kelly's wing VGs is to place the centers of the pairs > 7.35" apart with each pair at 38 degrees to each other and 2.45" apart > at the leading edge. Would they be best placed at the position on the > canopy that is tangent to the longerons? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Frank, I'm guessing the VG's on the canopy would need to be smaller and closer together than the wing VG's (but keep the same 38 deg ang) . When I begin my testing (probably next spring) I will start at the highest point on the canopy arch, and with each test move the VG's back in 2 inch increments. I'd probably just try using masking tape to hold the VG's on until your were happy with the location (as the double back tape would be a pain to remove from your canopy). For my testing I'd try tapping on some tuff's of yarn on the rear of the canopy & turtle deck just behind the canopy. Then go flying with a mirror to check out how the tuff's are reacting to the VG's. Keep moving the VG's until the tuff's of yarn all point towards your tail. You'll probably never get that lucky but move them around until you get it as good as possible. Good luck, Kelly Meiste 601 HD ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:49 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Commenting this mail, is great to have so many experts in our list where we can learn so much /i like this explanation on welding... I have inspected the weldings in our 3 kits (two 701 and one 601 xl) and there are very close to perfect. Is the same comment from other friends that had looked at the kits, in our building process... What I can say is that if your weld was not correctly done is what we say here: "was one tiny stone in a rice soup". Saludos Gary Gower "Everytime I make a mistake I remember that I am a human" Unknohn. Do not archive. Larry McFarland wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS main gear failure; possibly defective part > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" > > The square steel plate that the wheel fork bolts to failed around the weld. The weld itself held and is attached to the landing gear tube still. Several mechanical engineers have looked at the failed parts and believe the weld was not properly heat treated and or stress relieved. I'm not ready to post pictures, but if you are keenely interested send me a private message and I'll send a copy with the understanding they will not be forwarded or posted. > Roy > N601RT Roy, Very sorry to hear of your difficulty with the landing gear. This is the first time I've heard of one of these breaking. I used to be responsible for Army weld process and equipment, so from this experience, I can offer a best estimate of how to look at this. If the plate totally separated from the weld with the weld still attached to the gear, I'd say that the weld was a cold-weld with less than adequate penetration. If the weld still attached to the tube, has a ring of plate attached to it, one could presume that the weld was cooled too rapidly and stresses on the perimeter of the weld fractured the plate because the plate became brittle and the tube had shrinkage. Stress relieving a weld that is done wrong will not often correct the problem of imbrittlement, only lessen the odds of fracture due to shrinkage. I'd guess at the very least that Zenith owes you a new gear leg. Pleased to hear you're O.K. and the airplane isn't worse off. Larry McFarland - 601HDS --------------------------------- Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:22 PM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Zenith-List: microsoft flight simulator --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Has anyone used the Zodiac module for FS2002? Somebody (from this list, I believe) said they used it to prepare for their first flight and it was a big help. Unfortunately, I cannot get an airspeed indicator to show up on the panel of either the HD or HDS obtained from the Zenith website. Any tips? Bob ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:54 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Zenith-List: Parts for Sale 601HD --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" Merry Xmas to all... I purchased a complete firewall forward (incl 912) from a gentleman who removed it from his 601HD for another engine project. I kept the 912 (for my 701 rebuild) and now have the following components for sale that I cannot use on my project: Engine mount for Rotax 912 $225 Oil cooler for same $75 Muffler kit $250 I have pictures for all of these at http://kolbpilot.com/joncroke/for_sale Postage is inlcuded with these prices. And in all fairness when dealing with used stuff, if, after purchasing these items from me, after you receive them, you can examine them and then send them back the next day if they do not meet your expectations. (You and I lose postage, only). First come, first served! These should make great last minute Xmas gifts for yourself. (ho ho ho) Jon ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:11 PM PST US From: Michel Therrien Subject: Zenith-List: Now part of the community of pilots! --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien Hi group! Some of you may remember I started flying lesson on October 5th after I obtained the Airworthiness certificate and had my test pilot check my instructor for a few hours. Well. I got the flight school boss to sign the back of my student license today authorizing me to be on my own (PPL license). He is sending the paperwork so I will get the permanent license soon. I started as I said on Oct 5th, had first solo on Oct 26, passed in-flight examination on November 22 (after 43 hours) and theory exam just yesterday! I now have 48.2 hours on the plane (flight time) and the aircraft has 73.7 hours of air time. I know most people have their first solo as their prominent souvenir. For me, it is definitively the solo cross-country flight (I did a different circuit from the one I've done with the instructor). I like my CH601-HD, it is fun and easy to fly and handles very well in crosswinds. Michel :) ===== ---------------------------- Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601 http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/mthobby http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:17 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Now part of the community of pilots! --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Congratulations Michel, You've accomplished a great deal since building your 601. It takes a lot of personal energy to make it all happen at once. In the process, you shared your knowlege with all of us and we appreciate that. Fly safe, and again, congratulatons, Larry McFarland 601HDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Therrien" Subject: Zenith-List: Now part of the community of pilots! > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Michel Therrien > > Hi group! > > Some of you may remember I started flying lesson on > October 5th after I obtained the Airworthiness > certificate and had my test pilot check my instructor > for a few hours. > > Well. I got the flight school boss to sign the back of > my student license today authorizing me to be on my > own (PPL license). He is sending the paperwork so I > will get the permanent license soon. > > I started as I said on Oct 5th, had first solo on Oct > 26, passed in-flight examination on November 22 (after > 43 hours) and theory exam just yesterday! I now have > 48.2 hours on the plane (flight time) and the aircraft > has 73.7 hours of air time. > > I know most people have their first solo as their > prominent souvenir. For me, it is definitively the > solo cross-country flight (I did a different circuit > from the one I've done with the instructor). > > I like my CH601-HD, it is fun and easy to fly and > handles very well in crosswinds. > > Michel :)