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1. 06:32 AM - ATC and pilots (Grant Corriveau)
2. 06:43 AM - Tsunami relief - pilot oriented (Grant Corriveau)
3. 07:33 AM - 601 cabin-air vent pos. (Rico Voss)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: 601 cabin-air vent pos. (Jack Russell)
5. 09:16 AM - Re: 601 cabin-air vent pos. (Larry McFarland)
6. 11:37 AM - Wing tip vortices was accident@Payne (EMAproducts@aol.com)
7. 04:30 PM - [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
8. 07:19 PM - Looking for a 601 owner (Cdngoose)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Always remember, You are PIC and responsible for the safety of the
> flight.There is not one case of a tower controller being injured or killed by
> wake
> turbulance. it is always the pilot. Never forget that... If you don't feel
> comfortable, tell them, even if it hurts their feelings....
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FWIW -- light plane pilots are not the only ones who get pressured into
accepting 'uncomfortable' situations by air traffic controllers... I've been
involved in and seen many similar situations flying 'my other airplane'
(A320 +-1).
For instance, last summer I was following a NWA DC9 out of MIA, northbound
into some fierce T-storm lines. The controller had us heading about 020
towards a hole that showed on her radar and where some others had gotten
through. The NWA pilots response was "well if I can't see it on my radar,
I'm not going there. I need a turn to 340 degrees to get over to the west
side."
The ATC controller tried (in vain) to talk the pilot out of it as obviously
there was inbound traffic coming down the west coast of FLA and it would be
a lot more work for her to coordinate things. The NWA pilot politely and
forcefully insisted and was accomodated. I wasn't able to see 'the hole' on
my radar either, and followed suit. We had a nice smooth climbout west of
the weather.
Not all controllers are as uncooperative as this one was. Generally MIA
controllers are excellent, and especially helpful in bad weather. But this
pilot was exactly right. He didn't see any hole on his radar and was under
no obligation to accept vectors into an area of T-storms, no matter how much
more work it meant for the controllers.
The same situations routinely arise over takeoff clearnances of Mediums
behind Heavies, or in the face of windshears, tailwinds and all sorts of
other hazards. ATC is often, imo, one of the worst contributing factors to
unsafe flight conditions. The 'pressure' to keep the traffic moving and
'fit in' sometimes becomes overwhelming and influences pilots of all skill
and experience levels to take risks that they'd prefer not to. Usually we
get away with it and live to tell the tale... sometimes not.
However, I must point out that generally, in my experience, the controllers
across the U.S. are excellent, with a much more 'service-oriented' approach
than in any other country I've flown in. I'm continually amazed at the
people in ORD approach, for example. They not only keep the traffic moving,
but if anything breaks down, such as a sudden last minute go-around, they
take that in stride without a blink. Day-in, day-out, these people were
always 'the best of the best of the best!'...
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Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
(Air Canada - Retired)
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| Subject: | Tsunami relief - pilot oriented |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
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In light of the situation, please forgive me if I step momentarily outside
the normal use of this board:
The Tsunami relief mission is moving into a phase where provisions must be
delivered to smaller, local centers. There is a huge demand for small
aircraft operations. As a volunteer for one of the most experienced and
respected aviation relief/development organizations, I'd like to bring your
attention to their efforts.
Thanks for your consideration:
For Canadians
http://www.mafc.org/
In the U.S. check out
http://www.maf.org/)
MAF has been serving SE Asia for many years. I can personally attest to
their integrity and professionalism.
Thanks again
--
Grant Corriveau
Volunteer Area Representative
Mission Aviation Fellowship
grantc@ca.inter.net
www.mafc.org
p.s. On both these sites you can find links to MAF oranizations in dozens of
other countries around the world.
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| Subject: | 601 cabin-air vent pos. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
I've seen a lot of variation in where builders are
putting the NACA scoop for cabin air, in the forward
side skin. Has anyone found positions that are
particularly good or bad? (regarding air-flow,
interference with knees/pedals, etc)
The plans show the position in the middle of the 3
spaces between the horizontal L's, all the way
forward. Is the upper space better? I plan to lead
tubing to an eyeball just below the outboard corner of
the panel.
Thanks in advance,
Rico, XL
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| Subject: | Re: 601 cabin-air vent pos. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
Rico: I was planning on putting the eyeball vents in the lower outboard corner
also but not that I can sit on my seats I find my knee needs that space.( I may
move the rudder pedals foward) Now I think I am going to put vents in the canopy
and scrap the whole naca vent idea. Jack in Clovis Ca
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss
I plan to lead
tubing to an eyeball just below the outboard corner of
the panel.
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Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: 601 cabin-air vent pos. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Jack,
Another idea you might consider is the use of an automotive vent that can
use the naca vent without tubing or the eyeball that occupies so much space.
I installed a bent duct from the naca vent to the inside vent at a point
near
the panel which occupies only an inch of space inside the side skins.
See the solution at this picture and those that surround the construct of it
at this address.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/small/outletventright.gif
Regards
Larry McFarland
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cabin-air vent pos.
I was planning on putting the eyeball vents in the lower outboard corner
also but not that I can sit on my seats I find my knee needs that space>
> Jack Russell -Clovis CA
> 601 XL Jabiru 3300
> Progress update at:
> http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
>
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| Subject: | Wing tip vortices was accident@Payne |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
In a message dated 1/7/05 12:07:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
zenith-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
My theory is that
1) The 601 being a low wing (and not much wing either) is less
susceptable to wake than say a Cessna
<<<<< Size makes very little difference!! I have had to go around in a
Boeing 737 when hit the wake of a 757 that was 3 minutes or more ahead of us on
final approach, granted it seemed dead calm ~~ but ~~ It is an unseen killer! I
doubt if a light aircraft would have made it, we were just a few hundred feet
high. Severe very fast roll, sure got our attention, and those in the back!
Be careful out there~ Read the AIM on wing tip vortices, it is informative.
At Portland (PDX) where I also fly frequently in different light aircraft,
I also turn 90 degrees to runway just as soon as possible, easier for me as I
live N of the river, and Frank probably goes S over town. Most towers are very
happy to have you ask if you can go the way you feel is safer. They will OK
unless some restriction prohibits it.
Elbie
old CFI, retired air carrier
RiteAngle ~The "Stand Alone AOA System" for Your Safety
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Dear Listers,
Tonight, Friday 1/7/2005 at 7pm PDT, I will be working with my Internet
Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be
re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the
Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name
Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should
work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours
or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate
into the depths of the Internet.
If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a
bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it
again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of
the update or around 8pm PDT.
Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even
notice! :-)
Thanks for your patience!
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
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| Subject: | Looking for a 601 owner |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Would the owner of ZK-ZOT be on this list?
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
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