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1. 06:22 AM - 801 'relief' planes? (Grant Corriveau)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: 801 'relief' planes? (Benford2@aol.com)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: ATC and pilots (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
4. 11:04 AM - Re: ATC and pilots (Frank Stutzman)
5. 04:36 PM - Solid nose wheel axel, 701 (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
6. 04:52 PM - New 602 HDS on the block (ron dewees)
7. 05:04 PM - 601 Access Door Option 6-ADO-1 (Lance Gingell)
8. 06:24 PM - Re: New 602 HDS on the block (Larry McFarland)
9. 06:26 PM - Re: New 602 HDS on the block (Bob Miller)
10. 07:12 PM - Re: New 601 HDS on the block (N5SL)
11. 07:12 PM - Corvair using auto fuel question (gpjann@juno.com)
12. 07:44 PM - Re: 801 'relief' planes? (Gary Gower)
13. 07:55 PM - Re: New 602 HDS on the block (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | 801 'relief' planes? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
As I watched the big AN124 heavy haulers leave Canada with relief supplies
for S.E. Asia, I got to thinking about the logisitics of how these supplies
are going to get out to the necessary regions. That is where there is a big
demand for helicopters and light aircraft (such as from MAF), etc..
Got to thinking about the fact that when Art Mitchell owned FlyPass and
spearheaded the development of the 801, it was his involvement with MAF and
his experience in the mission field that influenced his design specs. (I.e.
carry a ton of 'stuff' in and out of unprepared 'strips' no longer than a
soccer field.)
So, wouldn't it be neat to see each relief flight include a crated CH-801
(or two?) and a couple of pilots?... Then upon arrival, out comes the 801,
on go the wings, and out goes the supplies to the needed regions via
temporary landing fields set up all over the country by a small advance
team.
Sure beats having the supplies sit in storage for 6 months while the people
starve waiting for delivery vehicles to be arranged.
Just a thought
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--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Re: 801 'relief' planes? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:23:45 AM Mountain Standard Time,
grantc@ca.inter.net writes:
>
> So, wouldn't it be neat to see each relief flight include a crated CH-801
> (or two?) and a couple of pilots?... Then upon arrival, out comes the 801,
> on go the wings, and out goes the supplies to the needed regions via
> temporary landing fields set up all over the country by a small advance
> team.
>
I will fly it for sure, is another 801,Don't want to tear mine up by spears
and bullet holes.
Ben Haas N801BH
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I must second the ATC kudos. It always amazes me when flying into PDX. I
listen to the approach for a few minutes, rehearse my most professional
sounding (like I do know what I'm doing) voice and with a little
trepedation crack the mic.
Its amazing, somehow these folks just know your wearing pilot diapers
and start speaking sloooowly, hey I got 500 hours now I'm really
cool...."Experimental '80H turn to a heading of 090...that would be to
your right"
Then of course the inevitable happens and its not quite as smooth as
you'd hoped and you go right back to the trembling student pilot newbie
with the pathetic "help me" tone in your voice...I just want to know how
ATC know this is going to happen from the moment you start talking?...:)
You end up taking way more of their attention than the DC10 heavy who's
wake your about to fly through but they are always most gracious and
their professional approach has calmed my frayed nerves on many
occasions.
So to anyone who works in ATC thankyou!
Frank
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant
Corriveau
Subject: Zenith-List: ATC and pilots
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
> Always remember, You are PIC and responsible for the safety of the
> flight.There is not one case of a tower controller being injured or
> killed by wake turbulance. it is always the pilot. Never forget
> that... If you don't feel comfortable, tell them, even if it hurts
> their feelings....
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FWIW -- light plane pilots are not the only ones who get pressured into
accepting 'uncomfortable' situations by air traffic controllers... I've
been involved in and seen many similar situations flying 'my other
airplane'
(A320 +-1).
For instance, last summer I was following a NWA DC9 out of MIA,
northbound into some fierce T-storm lines. The controller had us
heading about 020 towards a hole that showed on her radar and where some
others had gotten through. The NWA pilots response was "well if I can't
see it on my radar, I'm not going there. I need a turn to 340 degrees to
get over to the west side."
The ATC controller tried (in vain) to talk the pilot out of it as
obviously there was inbound traffic coming down the west coast of FLA
and it would be a lot more work for her to coordinate things. The NWA
pilot politely and forcefully insisted and was accomodated. I wasn't
able to see 'the hole' on my radar either, and followed suit. We had a
nice smooth climbout west of the weather.
Not all controllers are as uncooperative as this one was. Generally MIA
controllers are excellent, and especially helpful in bad weather. But
this pilot was exactly right. He didn't see any hole on his radar and
was under no obligation to accept vectors into an area of T-storms, no
matter how much more work it meant for the controllers.
The same situations routinely arise over takeoff clearnances of Mediums
behind Heavies, or in the face of windshears, tailwinds and all sorts of
other hazards. ATC is often, imo, one of the worst contributing factors
to unsafe flight conditions. The 'pressure' to keep the traffic moving
and 'fit in' sometimes becomes overwhelming and influences pilots of all
skill and experience levels to take risks that they'd prefer not to.
Usually we get away with it and live to tell the tale... sometimes not.
However, I must point out that generally, in my experience, the
controllers across the U.S. are excellent, with a much more
'service-oriented' approach than in any other country I've flown in.
I'm continually amazed at the people in ORD approach, for example. They
not only keep the traffic moving, but if anything breaks down, such as a
sudden last minute go-around, they take that in stride without a blink.
Day-in, day-out, these people were always 'the best of the best of the
best!'...
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
(Air Canada - Retired)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman <stutzman@stutzman.com>
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> I must second the ATC kudos. It always amazes me when flying into PDX. I
> listen to the approach for a few minutes, rehearse my most professional
> sounding (like I do know what I'm doing) voice and with a little
> trepedation crack the mic.
>
> Its amazing, somehow these folks just know your wearing pilot diapers
> and start speaking sloooowly, hey I got 500 hours now I'm really
> cool...."Experimental '80H turn to a heading of 090...that would be to
> your right"
I got my privates license in Palo Alto, CA. A Class D airport wedged in
between the San Francisco Class B, the Oakland Class C, the San Jose Class
D, the San Carlos Class D, the Hayward Class D and the Reid-Hillview Class
D, the Moffat Navel Airstation, the Alameda Navel Airstation and probably
several more airports I'm forgetting.
I have no problem dealing with ATC. I had lots of practice.
Now that I've moved back to the Northwest, what I find interesting is how
I fly compared to my fellow local pilots. They will go out of their way
to avoid PDX. I call up approach and get cleared to go right through the
Class C. On the other hand, I am chicken to fly over signifcant terrain.
Most of my fellow local pilots are amazed that after being in the area for
almost a decade, I've never taken the scenic tour of Mt. St. Helens.
Different things for different people.
One other thing with ATC is that I often get different treatment when I'm
flying my Bonanza as opposed to when I'm handing the radio in my friends
Kitfox. Personal opinon, but some controllers decidedly treat
experimental aircraft as second class citizens.
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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| Subject: | Solid nose wheel axel, 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Has anyone tried to fit a solid axle? In place of the 5/16 bolts.
A builder at the ZAC open house a few years ago was in the process, wonder if
he is on this list?
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| Subject: | New 602 HDS on the block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com>
Hi Listers!
Some posts are with problems and some with solutions to other's problems
but this one is just for the joy of it. Today at about 9:00AM a car
full of FAA MIDO employees descended on my hangar and did my final
inspection on N601TD. They were very nice, competent and thorough.
About 40 minutes later I was presented with a shiny, bright, new
Airworthiness Certificate. I could not have had a better experience
with the FAA. The Chief Inspector personally knew Chris Heintz, and
was familiar with his designs, website and hingeless ailerons. What a
pleasure!
I want to thank this list for the help and encouragement for all my
Newbie questions over the last few years and say that I truly couldn't
have done it without your help. This list is a great resource to new
and old alike and and made some of my problems seem minor. It's nice to
have so much in common with folks you haven't met and yet we share the
same goals.
Ron DeWees
N601 HDS
And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today
and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final"
work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon.
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| Subject: | 601 Access Door Option 6-ADO-1 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
I just noticed a new photo guide on the Zenith builder pages. 601 Access
Door Option 6-ADO-1. Its a bottom access door in the fuselage.
Just thought I'd make you all aware in case it helps anyone out...
..lance
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| Subject: | Re: New 602 HDS on the block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Congratulations Ron! It's a keen feeling having the Fed behind
and first flight looking at you. Gives you a sort of tingling sense.
There's still a lot ahead in proofing your POH etc, and we're looking
forward to hearing it all.
Do fly safe.
Larry McFarland
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Subject: Zenith-List: New 602 HDS on the block
> And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today
> and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final"
> work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon.
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 602 HDS on the block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
Ron,
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy! Waaaaay to goooo! I can hardly imagine
the good feeling, but hope to experience it sometime before I'm too old to
fly the darn thing!
Thanks for the encouraging story, and keep us posted on that first flight.
If you do that half as competently as you obviously built your airplane, it
will be nothing short of a joy.
Bob miller
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| Subject: | Re: New 601 HDS on the block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Ron:
It's great to hear about your progress. I visited your project about six months
ago when it was still in your basement. I'm not surprised the inspection went
well after seeing your workmanship. Congratulations. I can't wait to hear
about your first flight!
Scott Laughlin
N5SL (reserved)
www.cooknwithgas.com
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ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com> wrote:
Ron DeWees
N601 HDS
And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today
and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final"
work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon.
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| Subject: | Corvair using auto fuel question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
Anyone using auto fuel in theirmCorvair.
If so, would like pro and con on using.
Also, using auto fuel with AeroCarb info.
Thanks
GPJ
gpjann@juno.com
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| Subject: | Re: 801 'relief' planes? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Ben,
You got the wrong idea... is delivering SUPPLYS to the people, not drug smugling
:-) :-)
Just Kidding, couldnt resist.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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Benford2@aol.com wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:23:45 AM Mountain Standard Time,
grantc@ca.inter.net writes:
>
> So, wouldn't it be neat to see each relief flight include a crated CH-801
> (or two?) and a couple of pilots?... Then upon arrival, out comes the 801,
> on go the wings, and out goes the supplies to the needed regions via
> temporary landing fields set up all over the country by a small advance
> team.
>
I will fly it for sure, is another 801,Don't want to tear mine up by spears
and bullet holes.
Ben Haas N801BH
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New 602 HDS on the block |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Ron,
Congratulations!
Will be great that you and all the "Builders" that become "Pilots", once they
finish the plane, could stay on the list to share the flying experience, all
will learn from them and will keep builders focused on the goal of finishing
the project.
Just a thought
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S finished, working on a 601 XL .
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ron dewees <rdewees@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees
Hi Listers!
Some posts are with problems and some with solutions to other's problems
but this one is just for the joy of it. Today at about 9:00AM a car
full of FAA MIDO employees descended on my hangar and did my final
inspection on N601TD. They were very nice, competent and thorough.
About 40 minutes later I was presented with a shiny, bright, new
Airworthiness Certificate. I could not have had a better experience
with the FAA. The Chief Inspector personally knew Chris Heintz, and
was familiar with his designs, website and hingeless ailerons. What a
pleasure!
I want to thank this list for the help and encouragement for all my
Newbie questions over the last few years and say that I truly couldn't
have done it without your help. This list is a great resource to new
and old alike and and made some of my problems seem minor. It's nice to
have so much in common with folks you haven't met and yet we share the
same goals.
Ron DeWees
N601 HDS
And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today
and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final"
work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon.
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