---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/10/05: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - 801 'relief' planes? (Grant Corriveau) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: 801 'relief' planes? (Benford2@aol.com) 3. 08:13 AM - Re: ATC and pilots (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 4. 11:04 AM - Re: ATC and pilots (Frank Stutzman) 5. 04:36 PM - Solid nose wheel axel, 701 (JERICKSON03E@aol.com) 6. 04:52 PM - New 602 HDS on the block (ron dewees) 7. 05:04 PM - 601 Access Door Option 6-ADO-1 (Lance Gingell) 8. 06:24 PM - Re: New 602 HDS on the block (Larry McFarland) 9. 06:26 PM - Re: New 602 HDS on the block (Bob Miller) 10. 07:12 PM - Re: New 601 HDS on the block (N5SL) 11. 07:12 PM - Corvair using auto fuel question (gpjann@juno.com) 12. 07:44 PM - Re: 801 'relief' planes? (Gary Gower) 13. 07:55 PM - Re: New 602 HDS on the block (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 801 'relief' planes? From: Grant Corriveau --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau As I watched the big AN124 heavy haulers leave Canada with relief supplies for S.E. Asia, I got to thinking about the logisitics of how these supplies are going to get out to the necessary regions. That is where there is a big demand for helicopters and light aircraft (such as from MAF), etc.. Got to thinking about the fact that when Art Mitchell owned FlyPass and spearheaded the development of the 801, it was his involvement with MAF and his experience in the mission field that influenced his design specs. (I.e. carry a ton of 'stuff' in and out of unprepared 'strips' no longer than a soccer field.) So, wouldn't it be neat to see each relief flight include a crated CH-801 (or two?) and a couple of pilots?... Then upon arrival, out comes the 801, on go the wings, and out goes the supplies to the needed regions via temporary landing fields set up all over the country by a small advance team. Sure beats having the supplies sit in storage for 6 months while the people starve waiting for delivery vehicles to be arranged. Just a thought do not archive -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:12 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 'relief' planes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:23:45 AM Mountain Standard Time, grantc@ca.inter.net writes: > > So, wouldn't it be neat to see each relief flight include a crated CH-801 > (or two?) and a couple of pilots?... Then upon arrival, out comes the 801, > on go the wings, and out goes the supplies to the needed regions via > temporary landing fields set up all over the country by a small advance > team. > I will fly it for sure, is another 801,Don't want to tear mine up by spears and bullet holes. Ben Haas N801BH do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ATC and pilots From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" I must second the ATC kudos. It always amazes me when flying into PDX. I listen to the approach for a few minutes, rehearse my most professional sounding (like I do know what I'm doing) voice and with a little trepedation crack the mic. Its amazing, somehow these folks just know your wearing pilot diapers and start speaking sloooowly, hey I got 500 hours now I'm really cool...."Experimental '80H turn to a heading of 090...that would be to your right" Then of course the inevitable happens and its not quite as smooth as you'd hoped and you go right back to the trembling student pilot newbie with the pathetic "help me" tone in your voice...I just want to know how ATC know this is going to happen from the moment you start talking?...:) You end up taking way more of their attention than the DC10 heavy who's wake your about to fly through but they are always most gracious and their professional approach has calmed my frayed nerves on many occasions. So to anyone who works in ATC thankyou! Frank Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Corriveau Subject: Zenith-List: ATC and pilots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau > Always remember, You are PIC and responsible for the safety of the > flight.There is not one case of a tower controller being injured or > killed by wake turbulance. it is always the pilot. Never forget > that... If you don't feel comfortable, tell them, even if it hurts > their feelings.... do not archive FWIW -- light plane pilots are not the only ones who get pressured into accepting 'uncomfortable' situations by air traffic controllers... I've been involved in and seen many similar situations flying 'my other airplane' (A320 +-1). For instance, last summer I was following a NWA DC9 out of MIA, northbound into some fierce T-storm lines. The controller had us heading about 020 towards a hole that showed on her radar and where some others had gotten through. The NWA pilots response was "well if I can't see it on my radar, I'm not going there. I need a turn to 340 degrees to get over to the west side." The ATC controller tried (in vain) to talk the pilot out of it as obviously there was inbound traffic coming down the west coast of FLA and it would be a lot more work for her to coordinate things. The NWA pilot politely and forcefully insisted and was accomodated. I wasn't able to see 'the hole' on my radar either, and followed suit. We had a nice smooth climbout west of the weather. Not all controllers are as uncooperative as this one was. Generally MIA controllers are excellent, and especially helpful in bad weather. But this pilot was exactly right. He didn't see any hole on his radar and was under no obligation to accept vectors into an area of T-storms, no matter how much more work it meant for the controllers. The same situations routinely arise over takeoff clearnances of Mediums behind Heavies, or in the face of windshears, tailwinds and all sorts of other hazards. ATC is often, imo, one of the worst contributing factors to unsafe flight conditions. The 'pressure' to keep the traffic moving and 'fit in' sometimes becomes overwhelming and influences pilots of all skill and experience levels to take risks that they'd prefer not to. Usually we get away with it and live to tell the tale... sometimes not. However, I must point out that generally, in my experience, the controllers across the U.S. are excellent, with a much more 'service-oriented' approach than in any other country I've flown in. I'm continually amazed at the people in ORD approach, for example. They not only keep the traffic moving, but if anything breaks down, such as a sudden last minute go-around, they take that in stride without a blink. Day-in, day-out, these people were always 'the best of the best of the best!'... -- Grant Corriveau C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100 (Air Canada - Retired) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:37 AM PST US From: Frank Stutzman Subject: RE: Zenith-List: ATC and pilots --> Zenith-List message posted by: Frank Stutzman On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" > > I must second the ATC kudos. It always amazes me when flying into PDX. I > listen to the approach for a few minutes, rehearse my most professional > sounding (like I do know what I'm doing) voice and with a little > trepedation crack the mic. > > Its amazing, somehow these folks just know your wearing pilot diapers > and start speaking sloooowly, hey I got 500 hours now I'm really > cool...."Experimental '80H turn to a heading of 090...that would be to > your right" I got my privates license in Palo Alto, CA. A Class D airport wedged in between the San Francisco Class B, the Oakland Class C, the San Jose Class D, the San Carlos Class D, the Hayward Class D and the Reid-Hillview Class D, the Moffat Navel Airstation, the Alameda Navel Airstation and probably several more airports I'm forgetting. I have no problem dealing with ATC. I had lots of practice. Now that I've moved back to the Northwest, what I find interesting is how I fly compared to my fellow local pilots. They will go out of their way to avoid PDX. I call up approach and get cleared to go right through the Class C. On the other hand, I am chicken to fly over signifcant terrain. Most of my fellow local pilots are amazed that after being in the area for almost a decade, I've never taken the scenic tour of Mt. St. Helens. Different things for different people. One other thing with ATC is that I often get different treatment when I'm flying my Bonanza as opposed to when I'm handing the radio in my friends Kitfox. Personal opinon, but some controllers decidedly treat experimental aircraft as second class citizens. Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:10 PM PST US From: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Solid nose wheel axel, 701 --> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com Has anyone tried to fit a solid axle? In place of the 5/16 bolts. A builder at the ZAC open house a few years ago was in the process, wonder if he is on this list? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:48 PM PST US From: ron dewees Subject: Zenith-List: New 602 HDS on the block --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi Listers! Some posts are with problems and some with solutions to other's problems but this one is just for the joy of it. Today at about 9:00AM a car full of FAA MIDO employees descended on my hangar and did my final inspection on N601TD. They were very nice, competent and thorough. About 40 minutes later I was presented with a shiny, bright, new Airworthiness Certificate. I could not have had a better experience with the FAA. The Chief Inspector personally knew Chris Heintz, and was familiar with his designs, website and hingeless ailerons. What a pleasure! I want to thank this list for the help and encouragement for all my Newbie questions over the last few years and say that I truly couldn't have done it without your help. This list is a great resource to new and old alike and and made some of my problems seem minor. It's nice to have so much in common with folks you haven't met and yet we share the same goals. Ron DeWees N601 HDS And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final" work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Access Door Option 6-ADO-1 From: "Lance Gingell" --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lance Gingell" I just noticed a new photo guide on the Zenith builder pages. 601 Access Door Option 6-ADO-1. Its a bottom access door in the fuselage. Just thought I'd make you all aware in case it helps anyone out... ..lance ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:15 PM PST US From: "Larry McFarland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 602 HDS on the block --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" Congratulations Ron! It's a keen feeling having the Fed behind and first flight looking at you. Gives you a sort of tingling sense. There's still a lot ahead in proofing your POH etc, and we're looking forward to hearing it all. Do fly safe. Larry McFarland Do not archive Subject: Zenith-List: New 602 HDS on the block > And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today > and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final" > work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon. > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:05 PM PST US From: "Bob Miller" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 602 HDS on the block --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller" Ron, Couldn't happen to a nicer guy! Waaaaay to goooo! I can hardly imagine the good feeling, but hope to experience it sometime before I'm too old to fly the darn thing! Thanks for the encouraging story, and keep us posted on that first flight. If you do that half as competently as you obviously built your airplane, it will be nothing short of a joy. Bob miller Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:14 PM PST US From: N5SL Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 601 HDS on the block --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL Ron: It's great to hear about your progress. I visited your project about six months ago when it was still in your basement. I'm not surprised the inspection went well after seeing your workmanship. Congratulations. I can't wait to hear about your first flight! Scott Laughlin N5SL (reserved) www.cooknwithgas.com DO NOT ARCHIVE ron dewees wrote: Ron DeWees N601 HDS And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final" work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair using auto fuel question From: gpjann@juno.com --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com Anyone using auto fuel in theirmCorvair. If so, would like pro and con on using. Also, using auto fuel with AeroCarb info. Thanks GPJ gpjann@juno.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:31 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 801 'relief' planes? --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Ben, You got the wrong idea... is delivering SUPPLYS to the people, not drug smugling :-) :-) Just Kidding, couldnt resist. Saludos Gary Gower. Do Not Archive for sure Benford2@aol.com wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:23:45 AM Mountain Standard Time, grantc@ca.inter.net writes: > > So, wouldn't it be neat to see each relief flight include a crated CH-801 > (or two?) and a couple of pilots?... Then upon arrival, out comes the 801, > on go the wings, and out goes the supplies to the needed regions via > temporary landing fields set up all over the country by a small advance > team. > I will fly it for sure, is another 801,Don't want to tear mine up by spears and bullet holes. Ben Haas N801BH do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:09 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New 602 HDS on the block --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower Ron, Congratulations! Will be great that you and all the "Builders" that become "Pilots", once they finish the plane, could stay on the list to share the flying experience, all will learn from them and will keep builders focused on the goal of finishing the project. Just a thought Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S finished, working on a 601 XL . Do not archive. ron dewees wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by: ron dewees Hi Listers! Some posts are with problems and some with solutions to other's problems but this one is just for the joy of it. Today at about 9:00AM a car full of FAA MIDO employees descended on my hangar and did my final inspection on N601TD. They were very nice, competent and thorough. About 40 minutes later I was presented with a shiny, bright, new Airworthiness Certificate. I could not have had a better experience with the FAA. The Chief Inspector personally knew Chris Heintz, and was familiar with his designs, website and hingeless ailerons. What a pleasure! I want to thank this list for the help and encouragement for all my Newbie questions over the last few years and say that I truly couldn't have done it without your help. This list is a great resource to new and old alike and and made some of my problems seem minor. It's nice to have so much in common with folks you haven't met and yet we share the same goals. Ron DeWees N601 HDS And, before you ask-- No, I haven't flown it yet. It was windy today and I was too psyched out from the last few frantic weeks of "final" work. I'll post performance notes and impressions soon. ---------------------------------