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1. 04:47 AM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Monty Graves)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (baileys)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Chris Boultinghouse)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Phil Maxson)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (David Barth)
6. 06:03 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Crvsecretary@aol.com)
7. 06:20 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Rmtnview@aol.com)
8. 06:40 AM - 701 fuel level sending unit (Larry Martin)
9. 07:11 AM - 701 fuel level sending unit (Larry Martin)
10. 07:46 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Stiff springs on throttle cables (John M. Goodings)
11. 08:53 AM - HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? (601corvair)
12. 09:15 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Dave Kubassek)
13. 09:16 AM - 701 Vernier throttle question (Zed Smith)
14. 09:28 AM - defroster (Jack Russell)
15. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Stiff springs on throttle cables (Jack Russell)
16. 09:43 AM - Insurance (Randy Stout)
17. 09:59 AM - Re: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? (Randy Stout)
18. 10:06 AM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Dirk Slabbert)
19. 10:19 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Rick)
20. 10:22 AM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Dirk Slabbert)
21. 10:41 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Jim Pellien)
22. 11:17 AM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Al Young)
23. 11:20 AM - Re: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
24. 11:24 AM - Re: defroster (Frank Jones)
25. 11:31 AM - Re: 701 Vernier throttle question (Jon Croke)
26. 11:38 AM - Re: 701 fuel level sending unit (RURUNY@aol.com)
27. 01:06 PM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (cgalley)
28. 01:11 PM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Dave Kubassek)
29. 01:17 PM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Dave Kubassek)
30. 01:43 PM - 601 XL Performance (Jim Pellien)
31. 02:12 PM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Mark Eagar)
32. 02:19 PM - Re: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? (Cdngoose)
33. 02:25 PM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Mark Eagar)
34. 02:34 PM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Jim Pellien)
35. 02:37 PM - Re: 601 XL Proformance (Jim Pellien)
36. 02:48 PM - Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
37. 02:51 PM - Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
38. 02:57 PM - Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
39. 02:58 PM - Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
40. 03:29 PM - Re: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
41. 03:30 PM - CH701 Kit vs Plans (Scratch Built) (Burke & Susan Johnson)
42. 03:47 PM - Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS (Roger Roy)
43. 03:58 PM - Re: Insurance ()
44. 04:31 PM - Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS (Larry McFarland)
45. 04:46 PM - Re: 601 XL Performance (Jeff Small)
46. 05:21 PM - 601 XL Proformance (ABGS)
47. 06:32 PM - Re: vw engines for ch 701 (Gary Gower)
48. 08:16 PM - Re: CH701 Kit vs Plans (Scratch Built) (Larry Martin)
49. 10:21 PM - Home Depot brake (Tommy Clark)
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Yes. There is a 701 flying with a VW. The Vw needs a redrive on it
though for the ch 701. I wouldn't consider a direct drive VW for the
draggy 701
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=B.J.S.&ID=183615&action=disp
lay
B.J. lives about 10 miles from me by air.
Its 1915cc with a Valley Eng redrive. It doesn't have a lot of hours on
it yet, so its not a proven setup, but I have seen it fly, and from the
ground, take off roll and climb is comparable to the Rotax 912 80hp.
Link to the redrives
http://www.culverprops.com/
It is considerable more work to make a motor mount, and cowling, than just
buying the firewall forward package for the Rotax. But if one is trying
save some money its worth considering.
B.J.s email address isn't any longer working, but he is listed in the
phone book, if you call directory assistance.
Monty
At 09:05 PM 1/13/05 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
>
>Hi, wondering if anyone has experience adapting a vw engine to the 701.
how hard was it, etc.
>
>thanks
>Mark in El Dorado Hills, CA
>tail section complete, waiting on rest of kit.
>
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Mark,
The 701/VW engine has been flown using a redrive.
The one here in Missouri uses a Valley Redrive the company is also known as Culver Props http://www.culverprops.com/index.html
Both Valley Engineering and the ZAC site have pictures of the installation. Here
are the builder's comments from the ZAC web sight.
"1617 hours,15092.77 dollars and It's DONE. Airworthiness certificate issued, waiting
for test pilot to make first flight. Final weight 598 pounds including
E.L.T. and auxilary battery.
Power is a 1915 VW conversion with a 1.61 reduction drive by Valley Engineering
L.L.C. of Rolla Mo.
Engine weight complete with Diehl case,reduction,starter,alternator,carb., ign,
and crossover exhaust system is 180 lbs. dry.
Prop. is a 3 blade 72in.Ivoprop "
Since this was entered the plan has been flown I don't know how many hours have
been accumulated. The builder has posted his e-mail address so you might want
to contact him..
Bob B. 701 - 75552
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
Hi, wondering if anyone has experience adapting a vw engine to the 701. how
hard was it, etc.
thanks
Mark in El Dorado Hills, CA
tail section complete, waiting on rest of kit.
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| Subject: | vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> See where the Rotax comes in? 80 hp for 146lbs installed, with
> the cooling sorted out, easy to see how Chris designed the 701
> with this engine in mind.
Actually, Chris designed the 701 for the Rotax 582, which is even lighter
than the 912. I've heard that he still considers the 582 to be a better
choice for the 701 than anything heavier...
Light flies right.
-Chris B.
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| Subject: | 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
You folks who are preparing for Jabiru 3300's in XLs: Have you considered
the Corvair option? It's in the same horsepower range for less than half of
the cost:
http://www.flycorvair.com
William Wynne even has an engine for sale there. He is seeing performance
figures close to the factor numbers.
Phil Maxson
601 XL/Corvair
>From: "Steve Mallinson" <mallinson2501@rogers.com>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Mallinson"
><mallinson2501@rogers.com>
>
>Allan,
>
>Me too. So I would echo the request to anyone with an XL with the 3300. Are
>the specs and performance figures on the ZAC website accurate?
>Conservative?
>Optimistic? I'd like to throw in additional questions of what type of fuel
>do you use? What sort of consumption to you get? Also what type of oil do
>you use/what's your climate? And lastly, any idea of cost to overhaul the
>engine? For those installing a new engine and not a Subaru or Corvair,
>etc.,
>the Jab seems to be the perfect engine for the Zodiac XL. Thoughts or
>comments? Agree? Disagree? Those with other types (ie. like a 912S
>obviously) feel free to chime in if you disagree.
>
>Greedy, aren't I? :-) Any help to any of the above appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>Toronto
>Not building yet... :-( Will be a kit builder when I get started, not one
>of those crazy plans builders... ;-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
>
>
>Hi
>
>I am thinking of building a 601 XL with a 3300 Jab Motor I am requesting
>from anyone with the same aircraft how it proforms eg. Speed, Climb, etc
>
>Thank you
>
>Fly Safe
>
>Allan
>Cummins Spinners
>www.cumminsspinners.com
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| Subject: | 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
Hey Now Steve. As my childhod hero Bugs Bunny (or was it Daffy Duck) used to say,
"I resemble that remark!"
David
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Steve Mallinson <mallinson2501@rogers.com> wrote:
:-( Will be a kit builder when I get started, not one
of those crazy plans builders... ;-)
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Crvsecretary@aol.com
Gentlemen:
I'm very attracted to the Corvair for the horsepower/$$$ ratio...but one
thing keeps me away from auto (Corvair) or motorcycle (the H-D from Hog-Air).....
Insurance.
As in...if I understand correctly....it's unobtainable !! Am I mistaken?
Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
Any comments?
Tracy
601XL
tail 85%
In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pmaxpmax@hotmail.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Phil Maxson" <pmaxpmax@hotmail.com>
You folks who are preparing for Jabiru 3300's in XLs: Have you considered
the Corvair option? It's in the same horsepower range for less than half of
the cost:
http://www.flycorvair.com
William Wynne even has an engine for sale there. He is seeing performance
figures close to the factor numbers.
Phil Maxson
601 XL/Corvair
>From: "Steve Mallinson" <mallinson2501@rogers.com>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Steve Mallinson"
><mallinson2501@rogers.com>
>
>Allan,
>
>Me too. So I would echo the request to anyone with an XL with the 3300. Are
>the specs and performance figures on the ZAC website accurate?
>Conservative?
>Optimistic? I'd like to throw in additional questions of what type of fuel
>do you use? What sort of consumption to you get? Also what type of oil do
>you use/what's your climate? And lastly, any idea of cost to overhaul the
>engine? For those installing a new engine and not a Subaru or Corvair,
>etc.,
>the Jab seems to be the perfect engine for the Zodiac XL. Thoughts or
>comments? Agree? Disagree? Those with other types (ie. like a 912S
>obviously) feel free to chime in if you disagree.
>
>Greedy, aren't I? :-) Any help to any of the above appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>Toronto
>Not building yet... :-( Will be a kit builder when I get started, not one
>of those crazy plans builders... ;-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
>
>
>Hi
>
>I am thinking of building a 601 XL with a 3300 Jab Motor I am requesting
>from anyone with the same aircraft how it proforms eg. Speed, Climb, etc
>
>Thank you
>
>Fly Safe
>
>Allan
>Cummins Spinners
>www.cumminsspinners.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rmtnview@aol.com
Tracy, according to William Wynne's web site, the aircraft powered by his
engine is insurable by Falcon Insurance. Check out his web site...Engine for
sale. If you read about that engine, near the end you'll see his mention of
Falcon. Before we decided on building an 801, we had decided to use this engine
in a 701. Good luck, rog.
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| Subject: | 701 fuel level sending unit |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
The 701 uses a fuel level sending unit that fits a VW Beetle,
the part number on the box is 221012D. I have been unable to cross that number
to a VW number. Does anyone know what year and model VW the sending unit actually
fits?
Larry N1345L
My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | 701 fuel level sending unit |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
About two minutes after I sent the e-mail asking about the VW model, I found the part. It's at www.egauges.com, part # 221-012, cost $23.01 each.
Larry N1345L
My Site www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Stiff springs on throttle cables |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
I have TWO Cessna-type throttle controls with friction nuts for pilot and
co-pilot (either pilot can reach either throttle very easily), but I
replaced the original Cessna cables between the throttle controls in the
panel to the throttle bellcrank ahead of the firewall by solid rods. As
was pointed out, there is a redundancy here because there are two of them.
Also, the creeping Rust Check lubricant seems to remain very fluid even at
low temperatures, certainly down to -10 oC (14 oF). To give credit where
credit is due, I should point out that the ideas for the counter-balance
spring on the throttle bellcrank and the use of Rust Check came to me from
Paul Sharpe, C-IABP, CH601HD with 912S. DO NOT ARCHIVE.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with 912S, Toronto/Waterloo.
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| Subject: | HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? |
0.20 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From": Zenith-List@matronics.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
Glide ratio:
Hello all. I am trying to get some real world info on the optimum glide ratio
of the 601 series. I am trying to answer the question of a friend on how they
compare to each other , to other experimentals ,as well as something like a
C152.. I suspect the HDS will be less then the HD or the XL, but I was trying
to get some real numbers. ZAC told me they really didnt have good numbers because
of builder variability. I understand this. But I am trying to ball park
the ratio. So if you have some info of the optimum ratio on any of these models
and know, if the prop was free wheeling or stopped when you made the measurement,
I would appreciate it. thanks phill
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
my 0235Lyc..
(Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
just my 2 cents worth
dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
> Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
>
> Any comments?
>
> Tracy
> 601XL
> tail 85%
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Vernier throttle question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Who has web site with good close-ups of the firewall end of the vernier-type throttle
arrangement on the 701?
More I walk around it, more I get tired feet and no progress. Gotta be a better
approach.
Thanks,
Zed/701/R912/90+%
do not archive
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
My panel wiring is comming along nicely and I have been giving thought to a heater
defroster in the top cowl. I wonder if any of you cold weather 601 fliers
really see a need for the defroster or will a heat dump down by the rudder pedals
be enough?Thanks. Jack in Clovis ca
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Stiff springs on throttle cables |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
John: I used the same throttle lock but removed the friction nut on the co pilot
side for safety. I think only the pilot should have that feature. Jack in Clovis
CA
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "John M. Goodings"
I have TWO Cessna-type throttle controls with friction nuts for pilot and
co-pilot (either pilot can reach either throttle very easily), but I
Jack Russell -Clovis CA
601 XL Jabiru 3300
Progress update at:
http://www.geocities.com/clojan@sbcglobal.net/zodiacbarn.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
You can get insurance on a Corvair powered 601. I got mine through Falcon,
underwritten by AIG. Amazingly, AIG is the same underwritter that also
cancelled my policy when they found out I had replaced my VW and installed
a Corvair. From what I've been able to gather, AIG has 2 offices and one
will write policies on Corvair powered planes and the other won't. It also
seems to depend on the person writting the policy. The policy I have now
sucks so I don't know if I'm going to bother to renew it this year.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> I'm very attracted to the Corvair for the horsepower/$$$ ratio...but one
> thing keeps me away from auto (Corvair) or motorcycle (the H-D from
Hog-Air).....
>
> Insurance.
>
> As in...if I understand correctly....it's unobtainable !! Am I
mistaken?
>
> Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
>
> Any comments?
>
> Tracy
> 601XL
> tail 85%
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| Subject: | HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I think you are going to find that the glide ratio will vary wildly between
models as well as same models with different engines. I'm probably one of
the few that has flown my 601 HD with 2 completly different engines, A VW
with redrive and a Corvair. The VW had a 3 blade Powerfin prop. The Corvair
has a 2 blade Warp. The VW with redrive gave the plane the glide ratio of a
rock as long as the engine was running. I don't have the balls to turn it
off in flight. I could be about 1000' up and within 1/2 mile of the runway
and I don't think I could make it. Glide with the Corvair installed has
drastically improved, but a HD doesn't have a good glide ratio anyway you
look at it. Wind , weight and Balance will have a factor in the glide
ratio, so I'm not sure how you could get good measurements unless you had
some real calm air around. That's something you won't find in my part of
the country.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
> To: <Zenith list <Zenith-List@matronics.com>0.20 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS
From": Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/14/05 10:27:30 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Glide ratio:
>
>
> Hello all. I am trying to get some real world info on the optimum glide
ratio of the 601 series. I am trying to answer the question of a friend on
how they compare to each other , to other experimentals ,as well as
something like a C152.. I suspect the HDS will be less then the HD or the
XL, but I was trying to get some real numbers. ZAC told me they really
didnt have good numbers because of builder variability. I understand this.
But I am trying to ball park the ratio. So if you have some info of the
optimum ratio on any of these models and know, if the prop was free
wheeling or stopped when you made the measurement, I would appreciate it.
thanks phill
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Agree Chris, a heavy engine will drag the 701 around by its nose, mostly down.
Never mind all the other forces that comes into play, like up elevator, front landing
gear, the list goes on, one thing leads to another in aviation .....
Dirk
701
Piketberg SA
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Boultinghouse
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw engines for ch 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> See where the Rotax comes in? 80 hp for 146lbs installed, with
> the cooling sorted out, easy to see how Chris designed the 701
> with this engine in mind.
Actually, Chris designed the 701 for the Rotax 582, which is even lighter
than the 912. I've heard that he still considers the 582 to be a better
choice for the 701 than anything heavier...
Light flies right.
-Chris B.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
> my 0235Lyc..
> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
> just my 2 cents worth
> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
I considered the Lyc O-235 too. The price was a little lower for the Lyc,
but it looked like the weight of the engine took too much of a toll on the
useful load. I decided to spend a few dollars more for the lighter Jabiru.
I'd rather spend what I had to NOW than put up with load limitations LATER.
How much did your plane weigh-in at with the Lyc?
Rick P.
601 HD, 686 pounds empty weight.
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
This is true, the 701 is no glider, add weight up front and what do you get, a
lawn dart!
Engine out will put you in VERY steep descent, limiting your options.
One should be very carefull around these equations, they were done this way for
a reason.
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Boultinghouse
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw engines for ch 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse" <sonex260@austin.rr.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> See where the Rotax comes in? 80 hp for 146lbs installed, with
> the cooling sorted out, easy to see how Chris designed the 701
> with this engine in mind.
Actually, Chris designed the 701 for the Rotax 582, which is even lighter
than the 912. I've heard that he still considers the 582 to be a better
choice for the 701 than anything heavier...
Light flies right.
-Chris B.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Dave,
Why do you think the O-235 is superior to the 912S and the Jabiru?
We are offering our Zenair 601XL S-LSA with a choice of either the Continental
O-200 or the 912S.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Region
SportsPlanes.Com
703-313 4818
Website: www.Pellien.Com/maspl.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kubassek
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
my 0235Lyc..
(Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
just my 2 cents worth
dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
> Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
>
> Any comments?
>
> Tracy
> 601XL
> tail 85%
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Al Young" <armyret@one-eleven.net>
Rog- William told me that Falcon would insure his engine only if he
personally converted it. So if Insurance is a factor in your decision, you
should surely check it out.
Al Young, XL- On the panel
Do not archive
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| Subject: | HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
You think that's bad...When my HDS Stratus engine spluttered I chose to
look straight down, 'cos that's pretty much where your going to end up!
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stout
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I think you are going to find that the glide ratio will vary wildly
between models as well as same models with different engines. I'm
probably one of the few that has flown my 601 HD with 2 completly
different engines, A VW with redrive and a Corvair. The VW had a 3 blade
Powerfin prop. The Corvair has a 2 blade Warp. The VW with redrive gave
the plane the glide ratio of a rock as long as the engine was running. I
don't have the balls to turn it off in flight. I could be about 1000' up
and within 1/2 mile of the runway and I don't think I could make it.
Glide with the Corvair installed has drastically improved, but a HD
doesn't have a good glide ratio anyway you look at it. Wind , weight and
Balance will have a factor in the glide ratio, so I'm not sure how you
could get good measurements unless you had some real calm air around.
That's something you won't find in my part of the country.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
> To: <Zenith list <Zenith-List@matronics.com>0.20 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS
From": Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/14/05 10:27:30 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Glide ratio:
>
>
> Hello all. I am trying to get some real world info on the optimum
> glide
ratio of the 601 series. I am trying to answer the question of a friend
on how they compare to each other , to other experimentals ,as well as
something like a C152.. I suspect the HDS will be less then the HD or
the XL, but I was trying to get some real numbers. ZAC told me they
really didnt have good numbers because of builder variability. I
understand this.
But I am trying to ball park the ratio. So if you have some info of the
optimum ratio on any of these models and know, if the prop was free
wheeling or stopped when you made the measurement, I would appreciate
it.
thanks phill
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Frank Jones" <fjones@sympatico.ca>
I've had no trouble with frost. I've only got the heat ducted in at my
feet. I find it's a good idea to get the engine running soon after you
close the canopy so your breath doesn't fog things up too much. Once
airborne I've had no fog at all for all temps down to -25C.
Frank Jones
C-GYXQ
>My panel wiring is comming along nicely and I have been giving thought
to >a heater defroster in the top cowl. I wonder if any of you cold
weather 601 >fliers really see a need for the defroster or will a heat
dump down by the >rudder pedals be enough?Thanks. Jack in Clovis ca
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Vernier throttle question |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Under Builder's Photos at www.CH701.com there is an "alternate throttle"
link with pictures from our Johann G, Iceland who has a setup that depicts
this arrangement.
Jon
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> Who has web site with good close-ups of the firewall end of the
> vernier-type throttle arrangement on the 701?
> More I walk around it, more I get tired feet and no progress. Gotta be a
> better approach.
> Thanks,
>
> Zed/701/R912/90+%
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 fuel level sending unit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: RURUNY@aol.com
Larry,
My kit came with a 226-002 sender for the VDO gauges . 10-180 ohm.
Its at the same web site.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I am surprised that you are offering the O-200 which is out of production
when the O-240 is available. But There is a big weight penalty.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Why do you think the O-235 is superior to the 912S and the Jabiru?
>
> We are offering our Zenair 601XL S-LSA with a choice of either the
Continental O-200 or the 912S.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Pellien
> Mid-Atlantic Region
> SportsPlanes.Com
> 703-313 4818
> Website: www.Pellien.Com/maspl.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Kubassek
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
> my 0235Lyc..
> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
> just my 2 cents worth
> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
>
> >
> > Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Tracy
> > 601XL
> > tail 85%
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Why I prefer the 0235 to the Jab or 912S? (An 0200 or 0290 would be an
equal good choice I would think...).
1 - Affordability...
you can pick up a good used core for 5-6,000 Can. $..
For an additional 10-11,000 have it rebuilt ..
Or for 9-12,000 buy a 1/2 time engine
2 - Availability of parts...parts are readily available anywhere
3 - Simplicity.....extremely simple to work on ..You gotta Love the K.I.S.S
technology
4 - Techknowledgy ....that has been around for like, forever..
5 - Dependability..From year to year you change the oil, put gas in and
fly.......Is not plagued with a seemingly never
ending list of quirks ....."They just keep on goin"
6 - Performance....Fantastic....
7 - Stability.... with the extra 100 lbs,,,,added stability in the air.
On a personal note,
I do not mean to dampen anyone's enthusiasm on what ever the engine of
choice....
It's your baby, no one else's
But ,after 30 years and a couple thousand hrs behind Cont. & Lyc's with out
incident ...
I may have become a little biased........
Bless you Dudes.....dave kubassek....C-FDSF XL ..Lyc.0235..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Why do you think the O-235 is superior to the 912S and the Jabiru?
>
> We are offering our Zenair 601XL S-LSA with a choice of either the
> Continental O-200 or the 912S.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Pellien
> Mid-Atlantic Region
> SportsPlanes.Com
> 703-313 4818
> Website: www.Pellien.Com/maspl.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Kubassek
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
> my 0235Lyc..
> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
> just my 2 cents worth
> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
>
>>
>> Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Tracy
>> 601XL
>> tail 85%
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Hi Rick
856 empty weight
dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>>
>> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one
>> for
>> my 0235Lyc..
>> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
>> just my 2 cents worth
>> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
> I considered the Lyc O-235 too. The price was a little lower for the Lyc,
> but it looked like the weight of the engine took too much of a toll on
> the
> useful load. I decided to spend a few dollars more for the lighter Jabiru.
> I'd rather spend what I had to NOW than put up with load limitations
> LATER.
> How much did your plane weigh-in at with the Lyc?
>
> Rick P.
> 601 HD, 686 pounds empty weight.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 XL Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Dave,
I do not have the factory-built S-LSA version of the 601XL yet. The first ones
won't be delivered
until the May-June timeframe. However, we do know from the factory that the 601XL
with the O-235
will weight about 50 lbs more than one with the Rotaz 912S. Exact final weights
have not been
determined.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Region
SportsPlanes.com
703-851-9375
www.sportsplanes.com
jim@sportsplanes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick" <rick.pitcher@verizon.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
> my 0235Lyc..
> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
> just my 2 cents worth
> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
I considered the Lyc O-235 too. The price was a little lower for the Lyc,
but it looked like the weight of the engine took too much of a toll on the
useful load. I decided to spend a few dollars more for the lighter Jabiru.
I'd rather spend what I had to NOW than put up with load limitations LATER.
How much did your plane weigh-in at with the Lyc?
Rick P.
601 HD, 686 pounds empty weight.
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
Dirk, thanks for the feedback, that was very helpful. Great Planes Engines
shows a 80 hp 1900 cc engine but it must be hot rodded to get there. the
cooling problem would really be a challenge. I'll look at the Verner.
thanks again.
Mark
701
El Dorado Hills, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw engines for ch 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
> <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
>
> Mark,
> Out here we have limited resources, so of course I had a look at this,
> comes out far too heavy at 210 lbs.
> Cooling is a big problem, you'll have to redesign the cowling, still then
> it does'nt work on a hot day.
> The VW is essentially a 60 hp engine for 210 lbs, in normal configuration,
> getting anything more out of it means hot rodding, and winding it up, this
> is where the cooling problems start.
>
> Do the hp/cyl capacity calculation, the Lyc 235 is 3850cc and 115 hp, if
> you apply this on a 2000cc vw you get 60 hp, if you want to stay anywhere
> near reliable.
> I'd go for the Lycoming any day, if you can live with the weight, for it
> is the same.
>
> In short, adding engine weight upsets your w/b and limits your payload,
> which cannot be rectified by adding weight rear, for you'll be over gross.
> See where the Rotax comes in? 80 hp for 146lbs installed, with the
> cooling sorted out, easy to see how Chris designed the 701 with this
> engine in mind.
> Have a look at the Verner 133m too, could be an alternative.
> Just some thoughts, hope it helps.
>
> Dirk
> 701
> Piketberg, South Africa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Eagar
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:05 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: vw engines for ch 701
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
>
> Hi, wondering if anyone has experience adapting a vw engine to the 701.
> how hard was it, etc.
>
> thanks
> Mark in El Dorado Hills, CA
> tail section complete, waiting on rest of kit.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Glide ratio
HD = Brick
HDS = Lead Brick
XL = brick with feathers attached
UL = jump, you would be safer
Sorry best I could come up with
Do not archive
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
Monty, this was very helpful, thanks for the info. I will research and
follow-up
thanks again
Mark
ch 701
El Dorado Hills, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monty Graves" <mgraves@usmo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: vw engines for ch 701
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
>
> Yes. There is a 701 wlying with a VW. The Vw needs a redrive on it
> though for the ch 701. I wouldn't consider a direct drive VW for the
> draggy 701
>
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/pm.cgi?login=B.J.S.&ID=183615&action=disp
> lay
>
> B.J. lives about 10 miles from me by air.
>
> Its 1915cc with a Valley Eng redrive. It doesn't have a lot of hours on
> it yet, so its not a proven setup, but I have seen it fly, and from the
> ground, take off roll and climb is comparable to the Rotax 912 80hp.
>
> Link to the redrives
>
> http://www.culverprops.com/
>
> It is considerable more work to make a motor mount, and cowling, than
> just
> buying the firewall forward package for the Rotax. But if one is trying
> save some money its worth considering.
>
> B.J.s email address isn't any longer working, but he is listed in the
> phone book, if you call directory assistance.
>
> Monty
>
>
> At 09:05 PM 1/13/05 -0800, you wrote:
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Eagar" <mark.eagar@prodigy.net>
>>
>>Hi, wondering if anyone has experience adapting a vw engine to the 701.
> how hard was it, etc.
>>
>>thanks
>>Mark in El Dorado Hills, CA
>>tail section complete, waiting on rest of kit.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
According to the Teledyne-Continental website there is a dry weight difference
of 35 lbs between
the O-200 and the O-240. For a LIGHT Sport Aircraft (LSA), 35 lbs is significant.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Region
SportsPlanes.com
703-851-9375
www.sportsplanes.com
jim@sportsplanes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: cgalley
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I am surprised that you are offering the O-200 which is out of production
when the O-240 is available. But There is a big weight penalty.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Why do you think the O-235 is superior to the 912S and the Jabiru?
>
> We are offering our Zenair 601XL S-LSA with a choice of either the
Continental O-200 or the 912S.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Pellien
> Mid-Atlantic Region
> SportsPlanes.Com
> 703-313 4818
> Website: www.Pellien.Com/maspl.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Kubassek
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
> my 0235Lyc..
> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
> just my 2 cents worth
> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
>
> >
> > Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Tracy
> > 601XL
> > tail 85%
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
I failed to mention in my previous EMAIL that there is another important reason
for going with the
100 hp O-200 instead of the 125 hp O-240. The lower hp is needed to keep the
max continuous
cruise speed of the S-LSA 601XL under the LSA limit of 120 knots.
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Region
SportsPlanes.com
703-851-9375
www.sportsplanes.com
jim@sportsplanes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: cgalley
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I am surprised that you are offering the O-200 which is out of production
when the O-240 is available. But There is a big weight penalty.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Pellien" <jim@pellien.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Why do you think the O-235 is superior to the 912S and the Jabiru?
>
> We are offering our Zenair 601XL S-LSA with a choice of either the
Continental O-200 or the 912S.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Pellien
> Mid-Atlantic Region
> SportsPlanes.Com
> 703-313 4818
> Website: www.Pellien.Com/maspl.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Kubassek
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Proformance
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> Having flown the XL with both Jab and 912S i wouldnt trade either one for
> my 0235Lyc..
> (Not to mention 1/2 the price for a 0 timed engine)
> just my 2 cents worth
> dave kubassek C-FDSF XL 0235
>
>
> >
> > Sure, the Jab 3300 sounds just perfect, but the price.........
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Tracy
> > 601XL
> > tail 85%
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Dick, I purchased a pair of friction cables with knobs from Spruce to replace
the steel rods ZAC sells. How anyone can fly any distance hands off throttle
without friction is a mystery to me, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Patrick, you are correct about the carb spring. It is a safety question. If
for some reason your linkage breaks, etc. the carb spring pulls the throttle
full open so at least you could make it to a field to land. Without it, the
engine chokes out and your flying a glider. Some significant difference! I like
my spring and what it represents, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
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| Subject: | HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
That's funny,.....:)
Frank
Lead Brick 350 hours
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cdngoose
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HD,HDS, ,XL glide ratio?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Glide ratio
HD = Brick
HDS = Lead Brick
XL = brick with feathers attached
UL = jump, you would be safer
Sorry best I could come up with
Do not archive
Mark Townsend
Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL EJ 2.2L
Osprey 2 serial # 751
www.ch601.org
www.Osprey2.com
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| Subject: | CH701 Kit vs Plans (Scratch Built) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Burke & Susan Johnson" <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
I am considering the CH701 and was wondering what the real world difference
is between building from the kit or scratch building. If I decide to
scratch build, I expect that I would use some kit components like landing
gear and firewall forward. What I am hoping to learn is the difference in
terms of dollars and time, with time being less important. I have not built
an airplane before but am pretty mechanically inclined. Thoughts are
welcomed.
Burke Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:13:31 -0500
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
JA Phillips
What was the ACS part number for those cables? Thanks
RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <JAPhillipsGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Dick, I purchased a pair of friction cables with knobs from Spruce to
> replace
> the steel rods ZAC sells. How anyone can fly any distance hands off
> throttle
> without friction is a mystery to me, Bill of Georgia
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: <jeffglass@starband.net>
For you guys with other than standard engines you might want to read the
following. I don't know if this guy can help you but he sure helped me!
When I was looking for Insurance for my 601 HDS (with an 0-235) I got all
sorts of run arounds quote wise (as high as $3550 from AOPA! Falcon was
$1756) until I called Aviation Insurance Resources, LLC and spoke to a
Broker named Greg Ellsworth. His # is 301-682-6200 and they are located in
Frederick, MD. his email is:
gellsworth@Air-Pros.com
I should state at this point that I have 200 hours Total Time and had NO
TIME in the HDS.
Greg was REALLY helpfull and slogged through a number of underwriters
until he got me insured through a company called Aerospace Insurance
Managers.
Coverage is as follows:
$1,000,000 Combined single limit inc. $100,000 per passenger sub limit
Medical payments $1,000 per person
Hull Damage $35,000, Ded, not in motion $100, in motion $1,000
Total Yearly premium $1310.00
The Insurance company required me to have 3 hours of dual by a CFI in make
and model. This would normally be a BIG problem because where do you find
an instructor with time in a 601??? The catch here is that they had me
provide my CFI's total instructing experience. Based on his Vitae,(and
19,000 hours logged) even though he has no time in make and model he will
be able to give me my 3 hours of dual after, and I quote directly from the
premium, "... Instructor to familiarize himself with the ground and flight
handling characteristics of aircraft prior to giving student his dual
flight instruction... Such instruction to include 5 take off and landings
each to a full stop"
AOPA and Falcon offered the same insurance coverage but were insistant
that I find a type and model certified CFI before they would issue the
coverage. In essance, We're not giving you insurance!
So, to wrap this up, it's worth a shot to talk to Greg if you find
yourself in a bind like I did. If there's insurance out there to be had,
he'll find it for you.
Jeff Glasserow
CH 601 HDS
N6384E
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Bill,
The greatest difficulty with the spring and cable configuration is that it
opens the throttle if the cable breaks. Being able to continue a flight
home is an abstract, but flawed vision of what happens if the cable breaks.
Suppose the aircraft is on the ground, at a fly-in and the breakage occurs
there. The so-called presence of mind doesn't work as fast as "I'm supposed
to turn off the ignition". The average pilot will instinctively go for the
brakes, which are often not that great and then switch off the ignition. By
that time you can move 30-50 ft across the grass through a lot of people and
cause a lot of damage.
A throttle that has no spring wear is not dependant on tension, has less
stress and permits light control of the throttle by very small forces that
don't break cables or linkages. That's why I did the connective link
between the carburetors and a single push-pull sheathed .060-music-wire is
connected to one carburetor link. It is feather light and very easy to move
because the throttle springs were removed.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS-Stratus at www.macsmachine.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stratus EA-81 w/dual Bing carbs on 601 HDS
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>
> Patrick, you are correct about the carb spring. It is a safety question.
> If
> for some reason your linkage breaks, etc. the carb spring pulls the
> throttle
> full open so at least you could make it to a field to land. Without it,
> the
> engine chokes out and your flying a glider. Some significant difference!
> I like
> my spring and what it represents, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff Small" <zodiacjeff@msn.com>
>7 - Stability.... with the extra 100 lbs,,,,added stability in the air.
Oh come on now! Some of us are smarter than that. Why we'll all just throw
1000 pounds in and have an even more stable a/c.
An 856 empty weight XL might be the heaviest 601 to cross this list, unless
the guy out in the southwest with all the add on goodies, including a
sliding canopy, had it beat by 20 pounds.
New builders, don't think pounds, think ounces! Light a/c are far
supperior.
do not archive jeff
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| Subject: | 601 XL Proformance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ABGS" <abgs@impulse.net.au>
Hi
I am thinking of building a 601 XL with a 3300 Jab Motor I am requesting
from anyone with the same aircraft how it proforms eg. Speed, Climb, etc
Thank you
Fly Safe
Allan
Cummins Spinners
Australia
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| Subject: | Re: vw engines for ch 701 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Dirk,
Well, I think we got motorglider wings in our 701 :-)...
We fly from a 2,100 ft @ 5,000 fl ASL grass field and for the firsts flights
we had a very competent bush pilot (he flys a C-180 and a 230 HP powered highly
Modified Stintson) that really knows how to fly high and short strips.
He couldnt believe how our 701 Glided and kept atitude in aproach, He had the
same previous idea that you have before he flew it. In fact, in the very fist
flight he came in fast (for the 701 aproach speed) and glided in ground effect
very long before it settled. He really liked the plane.
Also depends what are you compareing the 701 with a Quicksilver MX II or a Virus
:-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Dirk Slabbert <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert"
This is true, the 701 is no glider, add weight up front and what do you get, a
lawn dart!
Engine out will put you in VERY steep descent, limiting your options.
One should be very carefull around these equations, they were done this way for
a reason.
Dirk.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Boultinghouse
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: vw engines for ch 701
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Boultinghouse"
> -----Original Message-----
> See where the Rotax comes in? 80 hp for 146lbs installed, with
> the cooling sorted out, easy to see how Chris designed the 701
> with this engine in mind.
Actually, Chris designed the 701 for the Rotax 582, which is even lighter
than the 912. I've heard that he still considers the 582 to be a better
choice for the 701 than anything heavier...
Light flies right.
-Chris B.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Kit vs Plans (Scratch Built) |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <lrm@isp.com>
Burke, I can't answer you pricing question. I have built 3 kits and several
frame off show cars and don't think I could build a scratch machine. I
would think it would take a lot more than being mechanically inclined to
build a machine from scratch. You would have to have a lot more tools with
a scratch build than a kit build. That's not to mention the sheet metal
skills. I really admire you guys who build from scratch, it's a larger
challenge than I would want to take on. Larry, N1345L
www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
----- Original Message -----
From: "Burke & Susan Johnson" <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Kit vs Plans (Scratch Built)
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Burke & Susan Johnson"
<burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I am considering the CH701 and was wondering what the real world
difference
> is between building from the kit or scratch building. If I decide to
> scratch build, I expect that I would use some kit components like landing
> gear and firewall forward. What I am hoping to learn is the difference in
> terms of dollars and time, with time being less important. I have not
built
> an airplane before but am pretty mechanically inclined. Thoughts are
> welcomed.
>
>
> Burke Johnson
>
>
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| Subject: | Home Depot brake |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tommy Clark" <tclark955@charter.net>
Has anyone out there tried bending skins on the light weight brakes that you can
rent from home depot?
Thanks,
Tommy
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