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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Stabilizer incidence (Dave Kubassek)
2. 06:52 AM - Kit selection (Phil Raker)
3. 07:15 AM - Baggage Compartment (N5SL)
4. 08:51 AM - Zodiac Accident in FL (kim.forest@surewest.net)
5. 09:47 AM - Re: Baggage Compartment (Randy Stout)
6. 09:59 AM - Re: Baggage Compartment (Larry McFarland)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: Baggage Compartment (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 10:23 AM - Re: Baggage Compartment (N5SL)
9. 11:04 AM - Zenith List-Baggage Compartment (Stanley Challgren)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Baggage Compartment ()
11. 11:19 AM - Re: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment (N5SL)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Baggage Compartment (Beckman, Rick)
13. 11:55 AM - Re: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment (Mark Townsend)
14. 02:48 PM - Re: Stabilizer incidence (Flydog1966@aol.com)
15. 04:27 PM - Re: Zodiac Accident in FL (royt.or@netzero.com)
16. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Zodiac Accident in FL (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
17. 05:02 PM - Re: Baggage Compartment (Gary A. Boothe)
18. 05:11 PM - Re: Baggage Compartment (Thilo Kind)
19. 05:38 PM - CH601 XL - stick torque tube bearing (Carlos Sa)
20. 06:29 PM - A posting from the past (Fred or Sandy Hulen)
21. 07:36 PM - New CH701.com facelift (Jon Croke)
22. 08:10 PM - Re: Zodiac questions (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
23. 08:38 PM - Re: Baggage Compartment ()
24. 08:52 PM - Midwest Corvair/Zenith601 Mini Night School (louiscfi@comcast.net)
25. 09:56 PM - Re: New CH701.com facelift (Brett)
26. 09:57 PM - Re: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment (Gary Gower)
27. 09:57 PM - Re: New CH701.com facelift (Brett)
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer incidence |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
Set yout fuselage so that when you set a 4 ft level on the top longerons ,
whether it is along the top or across the top longerons you are dead level.
now you can set your stab. acordingly.......
I installed the rear first (with clecoes )
then adgust and fasten the front acordingly....
Plans call for the stab to be installed level.........
Had i to do over, I would adjust nose down about an 1/8 to 1/4 inch ...
With it 3mm up from level it will give you a nose heavyier in flyte
characteristic..
Depending on your choice of engine(weight being the factor)
You can always install it level and tweak it later if you want
Good Luck
dave XL. 0235...C-FDSF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Subject: Zenith-List: Stabilizer incidence
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> Well I have finished my Stabilizer, and would like to attach it to the
> fusalage.
>
> According to the drawings, the top of the fusalage is the zero datum, and
> the stab should be parallel to this, but how does one go about it?
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated. Mine 'looks' to be about 3mm up in
> the
> front, and is this that critical?
>
> Thnx
> Jonathan Starke
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
Hello, Dan,
A number of people on this list have responded to your posting, but none
seem to have directly answered your main question. I'll try.
At one time Chris Heintz had planned the 601 XL to be the replacement
model for both the HD and HDS. With the flaps, it stalls about as slow as the
HD, and with the thinner airfoil, it cruises a bit faster than the HDS. It was
also revised slightly to handle higher power (heavier) engines, and it has a
higher gross weight capability. The plan was that as soon as the XL was firmly
established in the marketplace, the other 2 models would be dropped.
More recently, ZAC has said that they have scrapped those plans. The XL
will continue as the main 601 model (the one they promote the most). At the
same time, the older models (HD & HDS) will continue in limited production for
anyone who requests them, and support for the older models will continue
indefinitely. I don't think you'd go wrong in choosing any of the Zenith
planes.
The HD/HDS do have some advantages. The wing baggage lockers (standard
equipment on those models, optional on the XL) are larger than what you can
build on the XL, because of the thicker airfoil. Simpler wing construction: no
flaps, and the HD is constant cord (all ribs are the same).
The XL has a main landing gear which is simpler to build and attach. It
has a larger fuselage baggage area, and the higher gross weight. It also has
the wider speed range (thinner airfoil with flaps).
On the question of 601 vs. 701, unless you need to get in & out of 100ft
strips, you probably don't need the 701. (That's why CH originally designed
the 701, he was living at a place where he had a very short landing strip
available to him.) The 601s will only take about 600ft of ground roll to get
up or down, and they'll have a higher cruise. If you ever decide to actually
go somewhere more than 50 miles away from home base, you'll probably appreciate
being able to reach airspeeds above 80mph.
Cruise speeds have been discussed at length on this list. You may want to
check the archives. It seems that most customer-built planes do not achieve
the cruise speeds published by ZAC. If you begin with the idea that a 701 will
only go about 70-80mph, an HD will go about 95-100mph, an HDS about 110-125mph,
and an XL ??? (I don't know). If that meets your intended mission profile,
then you'd probably be happy with the plane. A 701 will definitely be slower
than a C-172 or PA28. The HDS or XL will have a similar cruise speeds to the
spam-cans but using less power & fuel, the HD slightly slower. All the Zeniths
will be much more responsive and fun to fly than any of those Jurassic
airplanes.
If I were making the decision now (the XL wasn't yet available when I
bought my kit), I'd probably go with the XL. I'd also probably do some more
thorough research before making the engine decision. Of course, you'll have to
make your own decisions, and this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
I hope this answers your original question.
Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed
> Subject: Zenith-List: Kit selection
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "dsherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
>
> Can someone tell me if the Zodiac is now just available in the XL
> version? I have the older info. pack that describes the XL, but also the
> HD and HDS. I was interested in the HD, but I see it might not be
> available anymore. I shot Zenith an email last week and haven't heard.
>
> I've owned a 172 and a PA28-140, so I keep flipping back and forth
> between the 701 and 601. I probably wouldn't take advantage of the STOL
> characteristics of the 701, but I like the simplicity. It'll just be one
person
> flying 80% of the time from paved strips. For power, I'd probably use the
> 80 HP 912 or the Jab 2200. The XL is a beautiful plane, but
> the additions have raised the cost a bit, etc. I looked like the HD was
> a few thousand less, could be built and flown without flaps.
>
>
> Just trying to decide.......thanks in advance!
>
> Dan Sherburn
>
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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| Subject: | Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
Scott Laughlin here. I want to run an idea past this talented group to see if
I may be missing something. I never have liked the gaping hole for the baggage
compartment in the 601. I'm sure it is very practical, etc., but I want to
try something different. A little cardboard, duct tape and a sharpee was used
to get an idea of what it will look like:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_30_05_Baggage.jpg
The only thing I figure it will affect is the shoulder harness attachment and I
plan to put a slot in the face plate for this. The hole will be trimmed with
automotive trim or a split rubber hose.
In order to make this work, I installed a curved flange around the tubing. See
it here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BaggageFlange.JPG
This covers up the tube and eliminates another problem where the top skin is bent
around the tube - I left mine straight. This is similar to the joint at the
wingtips.
I plan to use .020" aluminum for the face plate. The weight penalty should be
very small and it should only help make the shell more rigid.
Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not do this.
Thanks in advance for the input,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Zodiac Accident in FL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: kim.forest@surewest.net
Does anyone on the list know what went wrong with the landing gear on the
Zodiac in FL two days ago? Was this the factory gear? Was this the same
thing that happened last month?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Scott
You might someday appreciate the big hole. I flew my HD to Dallas last week
(3,5 hr trip each way). I took my wife and dog. Dog in the right seat and
wife in the baggage area. OOPS, that's wife in the right seat and dog in
the baggage area. That big hole helped getting the wife, err, I mean dog
back there. Also, don't forget that if you have head rests, they will cover
part of the hole.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/31/05 9:14:37 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Baggage Compartment
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Scott Laughlin here. I want to run an idea past this talented group to
see if I may be missing something. I never have liked the gaping hole for
the baggage compartment in the 601. I'm sure it is very practical, etc.,
but I want to try something different. A little cardboard, duct tape and a
sharpee was used to get an idea of what it will look like:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_30_05_Baggage.jpg
>
> The only thing I figure it will affect is the shoulder harness attachment
and I plan to put a slot in the face plate for this. The hole will be
trimmed with automotive trim or a split rubber hose.
>
> In order to make this work, I installed a curved flange around the
tubing. See it here:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BaggageFlange.JPG
>
> This covers up the tube and eliminates another problem where the top skin
is bent around the tube - I left mine straight. This is similar to the
joint at the wingtips.
>
> I plan to use .020" aluminum for the face plate. The weight penalty
should be very small and it should only help make the shell more rigid.
>
> Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not do
this.
>
> Thanks in advance for the input,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
> 601XL/Corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry McFarland" <larrymc@qconline.com>
Scott,
I find the shelf extremely useful in that I've got a speaker for the radio
installed behind my head in the shelf
and 4 headset plugs are mounted in a box on the opposite side that can be
easily reached by the pilot for his and passengers headsets. I think a door
or closure would be counter-productive. I've a thin carpet on the shelf
which drops the sound level a bit. Being able to reach back for an airport
directory, batteries, a pair of headsets or camera gear is precious use to
me. I've also got a snake light that plugs into the center of the shelf to
illuminate a map in my lap or that of the passenger. I think you could make
a nice double-bent bulkhead that would edge and reinforce the structure as
you have shown, but I'd be very reluctant to put a door on it. Better a net
if you want to contain things. I think you'll see a lot more need for the
shelf during flight than you imagine. If you paint it a darker color inside
and add a felt or carpet base, the hole won't seem as large as it does in
white prime.
I'm always reaching back there for something during flight and a door would
be in the way hinged either direction.
Larry McFarland
> I plan to use .020" aluminum for the face plate. The weight penalty
> should be very small and it should only help make the shell more rigid.
>
> Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not do
> this.
>
> Thanks in advance for the input,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
> 601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I agree,
I fill the big hole regularly.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stout
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Baggage Compartment
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
Scott
You might someday appreciate the big hole. I flew my HD to Dallas last
week
(3,5 hr trip each way). I took my wife and dog. Dog in the right seat
and wife in the baggage area. OOPS, that's wife in the right seat and
dog in the baggage area. That big hole helped getting the wife, err, I
mean dog back there. Also, don't forget that if you have head rests,
they will cover part of the hole.
Randy Stout
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
> [Original Message]
> From: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/31/05 9:14:37 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Baggage Compartment
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Scott Laughlin here. I want to run an idea past this talented group
> to
see if I may be missing something. I never have liked the gaping hole
for the baggage compartment in the 601. I'm sure it is very practical,
etc., but I want to try something different. A little cardboard, duct
tape and a sharpee was used to get an idea of what it will look like:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_30_05_Baggage.jpg
>
> The only thing I figure it will affect is the shoulder harness
> attachment
and I plan to put a slot in the face plate for this. The hole will be
trimmed with automotive trim or a split rubber hose.
>
> In order to make this work, I installed a curved flange around the
tubing. See it here:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BaggageFlange.JPG
>
> This covers up the tube and eliminates another problem where the top
> skin
is bent around the tube - I left mine straight. This is similar to the
joint at the wingtips.
>
> I plan to use .020" aluminum for the face plate. The weight penalty
should be very small and it should only help make the shell more rigid.
>
> Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not
> do
this.
>
> Thanks in advance for the input,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
> 601XL/Corvair
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Randy I hope your wife doesn't monitor the list or you may be sleeping in the baggage
area (it kind of looks like a doghouse)!
I don't plan to have a door or cover the hole, just a "facing" around the hole
to make it more aesthetically pleasing. I'm hoping this will look better than
the hand-bent tubing which forms the arch of the fuselage. I talked to Roger
at ZAC and he says they hand-bend the factory hoops as well. Mine came out pretty
good, but all irregularities go away if I can make this facing work.
I'm glad to see on your website that the Corvair is working out well for you.
I plan to get back to you later on the alternator mount and some other engine
issues when I get there.
Thanks for the input,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
601XL/Corvair
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Randy Stout <n282rs@earthlink.net> wrote:
That big hole helped getting the wife, err, I mean dog
back there.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Zenith List-Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Scott:
Several advantages accrue to the proposed modification of your baggage
compartment. You would have a good place for the headset plug-ins at
the top of your partition which would permit plugging in headsets while
seated. You would also have space for vertical receptacles to hold
pencils, etc, dropped in flight.
On the other side you would lose a valuable handhold for cockpit
entry/exit. I use the reinforced shelf to balance 175 pounds of
uncoordinated and aging body when getting in and out of the cockpit.
Imagine where your canopy is going to be in getting in and out of the
aircraft before giving up this handhold.
My two roll over bars going from the ends of the tube to the top center
of the tube is the only restraint we need from items in the baggage
compartment moving forward. We installed a sound-proofing material on
the shelf which keeps items from moving as well as reducing the noise
level.
Good luck on whatever course you choose.
Stan
601 HDS/Jab 3300
170 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Compartment |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:14:57 -0600
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
Scott, that looks very good. Particularly the rounded covering for the tube, which
(I'm not there yet) looks to be a real bear to get smooth. You might want
to add some small ells for reinforcement, to keep the panel from flexing and
possibly "thrumming" in flight. I'll look forward to seeing the finished product.
Paul Rodriguez
601XL-Corvair
Stiiiiiilllll on the front fuse
----- Original Message -----
From: N5SL<mailto:nfivesl@yahoo.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:14 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Baggage Compartment
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com<mailto:nfivesl@yahoo.com>>
Hi Guys:
Scott Laughlin here. I want to run an idea past this talented group to see if
I may be missing something. I never have liked the gaping hole for the baggage
compartment in the 601. I'm sure it is very practical, etc., but I want to
try something different. A little cardboard, duct tape and a sharpee was used
to get an idea of what it will look like:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_30_05_Baggage.jpg<http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_30_05_Baggage.jpg>
The only thing I figure it will affect is the shoulder harness attachment and
I plan to put a slot in the face plate for this. The hole will be trimmed with
automotive trim or a split rubber hose.
In order to make this work, I installed a curved flange around the tubing. See
it here:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BaggageFlange.JPG<http://www.cooknwithgas.com/BaggageFlange.JPG>
This covers up the tube and eliminates another problem where the top skin is
bent around the tube - I left mine straight. This is similar to the joint at
the wingtips.
I plan to use .020" aluminum for the face plate. The weight penalty should be
very small and it should only help make the shell more rigid.
Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not do this.
Thanks in advance for the input,
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/<http://www.cooknwithgas.com/>
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Stan:
Thank you! That's the kind of input I was looking for. I had not thought of the
entry handle aspect. I will look closely at this and possibly fabricate a
handle or re-enforced recess in the frame.
Scott
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren
On the other side you would lose a valuable handhold for cockpit
entry/exit.
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| Subject: | Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
> Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not do
> this.
>
> Thanks in advance for the input,
>
> Scott Laughlin
>
Hey, Scott,
I had another idea about that hole. I like to come
up with alternate ideas to keep my sweet wife guessing about my
sanity. I told her that it would be cool to
make a partition to fit the hole with a couple of pins in
the bottom to fit into
holes in the bottom front of the baggage floor. Then a
simple latch to secure it at the top, fully blocking the hole.
I
went a step further in my insanity by telling
her that I was gonna make a short windscreen with the same
mounts as the bubble
top. Remove the big bubble and add put on the short
windscreen, then you'd make this bird a convertible!!
Blocking the big hole would severely decrease the turbulence
right behind you in flight. Alas. She just looked at me, shook her head and
went back to the house. I loved it!!
Something else--- one of my dreads was fitting the
wings into the fuselage. I
figured this would be a nightmare and to properly fit the
wings and trim them, the
wings would have to be in and out a dozen times or more!
AAARGH!! As it turned out,
my wife and I can put the wings ( yes, both ) into the
fuselage in 15 minutes. No,
that's not a typo! 15 minutes. It's an XL. Anyway, said all
that to those who may
be experiencing a little anxiety in some of their upcoming
building. My word here?
Chris made it simple to build and assemble. Stay on the KISS
Principle.
Regards, and may God Bless!!
Rick Beckman
Zodie XL from:
Midwest Mudworks
729 MSL and sinking
Please.....Do NOT archive this!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Townsend" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
Scott I will send you a letter tonight on how to do what your planning on
doing, but right now I'm on laptop without access to several pics you will
wnat to see.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Stan:
>
> Thank you! That's the kind of input I was looking for. I had not thought
of the entry handle aspect. I will look closely at this and possibly
fabricate a handle or re-enforced recess in the frame.
>
> Scott
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren
>
>
> On the other side you would lose a valuable handhold for cockpit
> entry/exit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer incidence |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Flydog1966@aol.com
In a message dated 1/31/05 9:01:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dkubassek@golden.net writes:
<< Set yout fuselage so that when you set a 4 ft level on the top longerons ,
whether it is along the top or across the top longerons you are dead level.
now you can set your stab. acordingly....... >>
On the 701, does anyone know if I set the stabilizer level with the
horizontal reference line, or the top longerons/top skin?
do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: Zodiac Accident in FL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com" <royt.or@netzero.com>
I don't know anything about what happened in FL. I will be interested to read more
details.
I'm responding because of the term "Accident" being used and possibly being associated
with my landing gear failure. From the definitions referenced below (AND
from my conversation with the NTSB and inspection by the FAA) N601RT WAS NOT
in an accident when my left main gear failed.
The description of an accident to the FAA & NTSB includes "or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage". http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/49cfr830_03.html states "Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered substantial damage for the purpose of this part."
The damage to N601RT was not substantial. Search the archives for "N601RT & defective"
for more details.
Yes, I'm anal about some things.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
318.1hrs, 405 landings
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| Subject: | RE: Zodiac Accident in FL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
That's alright Roy...So are the FAA....:)
Frank
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
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royt.or@netzero.com
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zodiac Accident in FL
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "royt.or@netzero.com"
--> <royt.or@netzero.com>
I don't know anything about what happened in FL. I will be interested to
read more details.
I'm responding because of the term "Accident" being used and possibly
being associated with my landing gear failure. From the definitions
referenced below (AND from my conversation with the NTSB and inspection
by the FAA) N601RT WAS NOT in an accident when my left main gear failed.
The description of an accident to the FAA & NTSB includes "or in which
the aircraft receives substantial damage".
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/49cfr830_03.html states
"Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the
structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the
aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement
of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine
if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented
skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to
rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires,
flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered
substantial damage for the purpose of this part."
The damage to N601RT was not substantial. Search the archives for
"N601RT & defective" for more details.
Yes, I'm anal about some things.
Regards,
Roy
N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped,
318.1hrs, 405 landings
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
Scott:
You'll want to easily get to your Human Element Range Extender.
Gary Boothe
<gboothe@calply.com>
WW Corvair Power - 601HDS
Rudder complete. Hori.Stab. 50%
> Hi Guys:
>
> Scott Laughlin here. I want to run an idea past this talented group to
> see if I may be missing something. I never have liked the gaping hole for
> the baggage compartment in the 601. I'm sure it is very practical, etc.,
> but I want to try something different. A little cardboard, duct tape and
> a sharpee was used to get an idea of what it will look like:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_30_05_Baggage.jpg
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Rick,
you idea - convertible airplane - is not insane and has been done already
on the HD / HDS model.
Happy building
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Baggage Compartment
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Beckman, Rick" <Rick.Beckman@atk.com>
>
>
> > Please take a look and let me know if there is a reason I should not do
> > this.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the input,
> >
> > Scott Laughlin
> >
>
> Hey, Scott,
> I had another idea about that hole. I like to come
> up with alternate ideas to keep my sweet wife guessing
about my
> sanity. I told her that it would be cool to
> make a partition to fit the hole with a couple of pins in
> the bottom to fit into
> holes in the bottom front of the baggage floor. Then a
> simple latch to secure it at the top, fully blocking the
hole. I
> went a step further in my insanity by telling
> her that I was gonna make a short windscreen with the same
> mounts as the bubble
> top. Remove the big bubble and add put on the short
> windscreen, then you'd make this bird a convertible!!
> Blocking the big hole would severely decrease the turbulence
> right behind you in flight. Alas. She just looked at me, shook her head
and
> went back to the house. I loved it!!
> Something else--- one of my dreads was fitting the
> wings into the fuselage. I
> figured this would be a nightmare and to properly fit the
> wings and trim them, the
> wings would have to be in and out a dozen times or more!
> AAARGH!! As it turned out,
> my wife and I can put the wings ( yes, both ) into the
> fuselage in 15 minutes. No,
> that's not a typo! 15 minutes. It's an XL. Anyway, said
all
> that to those who may
> be experiencing a little anxiety in some of their upcoming
> building. My word here?
> Chris made it simple to build and assemble. Stay on the
KISS
> Principle.
>
>
> Regards, and may God Bless!!
>
> Rick Beckman
>
> Zodie XL from:
>
> Midwest Mudworks
>
> 729 MSL and sinking
>
>
> Please.....Do NOT archive this!!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | CH601 XL - stick torque tube bearing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Hello,
I want to install dual sticks on my HD, and need a bit of information.
I have the dual stick drawings, but there is one part for which there are no dimensions,
probably
because it does not change from the original XL drawings.
It is the torque tube bearing, which is attached to the spar by meas of two "L"
extrusions. Part
number probably is 6B16-1. Should look like a short "U" channel, probably fits
in a 70 mm cube.
Thanks in advance
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Spar rebuild complete, solid riveting coming soon.
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| Subject: | A posting from the past |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Fred or Sandy Hulen" <hulens61@comcast.net>
I only said I'd be gone a "while",.... but a bunch of you wrote me off the
list, requesting that I return right away. You guys are great! Thank you
for your note Frank, apology accepted.
Here's something I think you all might enjoy.... It was written and posted
to this list quite some time ago by fellow builder Jeff Small. I think it's
terrific, and thought that you new guys might enjoy reading it, for
inspiration:
"How do you explain what this "flight of dreams" encompasses to those not
smitten by the urge to watch the ground fall away beneath as the miracle of
flight works magic? Indeed, why try to explain the unconscious action of
watching hawks circle and pinpointed contrails arc the blue"
"There need be no other reason for building ones own aircraft other than to
extend yourself toward the magic of the heavens"
(by Jeff Small)
Tailwinds........
Fred
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| Subject: | New CH701.com facelift |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <jon@joncroke.com>
Check out the new face lift at www.CH701.com !!
Mark Townsend, the chief in charge of CH601.com, has lent his genious to revamping
the internal pages of CH701.com... lots more content, and what I like is the
consistent navigation bar on the left side. This makes this site really first
class and much easier fo find stuff without returning to the front page.
A lot of builder tools and techniques were added, some borrowed from the 601 site
where it made sense. Of course, the content is all thanks to all of YOU who
have submitted the stuff in the first place.
So, the site is yours to use.. make sure you dig deep and visit every page... it
will actually take a while to do that.. lot more stuff than before. and if
you're really perceptive, you will notice that it acutally now has a new system
host with its own root directory (no more of that kolbpilot.. subdirectory stuff)
So, hats off to Mark for his time and expertise to making this a really nice place
to visit and learn just about anything about 701s and 801s !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Nate, No doubt, you are way too heavy for a XL. The wing walk way metal
distorts even with my 200 pounds and the pipe steps are rated pretty low as well.
Not only that, the XL is not easy to get into. The Warrior is a snap compared
to the XL. You have to basically balance on one leg without much to hold on
to then down step in on the seat, squat and then try to shoot your legs out
under the instrument panel. I suggest you go find a Porsche 911 automobile and
set in it cause the seats in the XL are about the same and duel controls makes
it even more difficult. Good Luck deciding what you want, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
A simple treatment that finishes the edge without bending it over is to
attach plastic door edge molding. I trial fit some and it makes a nice
looking easy to do finished edge. Also it is very light <1 oz.
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| Subject: | Midwest Corvair/Zenith601 Mini Night School |
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: louiscfi@comcast.net
I'm not sure if William is going to post to this list, but I will. I'm hosting the Midwest/St.Louis area Corvair mini night school Fri Feb 18, 2005 from 7:00pm - 9:00 pm CST. William and his crew will be at my hangar to answer questions, show off his products, and inspect parts. Everyone is welcome. Please go to the last page on my website HTTP://www.N601LV.com labeled "Corvair Night School" for more information and directions to my hangar. Anyone interested in a $5000 firewall fwd package for their 601 should attend. I look forward to seeing everyone there. Please email me w/ any questions.
--
Louis
601xl, corvair pwr
j-41 capt
CFII SMEL
HTTP://www.N601LV.com
I'm not sure if William is going to post to this list, but I will. I'm hosting the Midwest/St.Louis area Corvair mini night school Fri Feb 18, 2005 from 7:00pm - 9:00 pm CST. William and his crew will be at my hangar to answer questions, show off his products, and inspect parts. Everyone is welcome. Please go to the last page on my website HTTP://www.N601LV.com labeled "Corvair Night School" for more information and directions to my hangar.Anyone interested in a$5000 firewall fwd package for their 601 should attend.I look forward to seeing everyone there. Please email me w/ any questions.
--
Louis
601xl, corvair pwr
j-41 capt
CFII SMEL
HTTP://www.N601LV.com
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| Subject: | Re: New CH701.com facelift |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I did the same thing last weekend. Added the navbar to all the pages.
Updated some stuff and just to make it flow better. You know how it is
you start with one page then two and before you know it it's a mess.
Let me know what you guy think. www.hog-air.com
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith List-Baggage Compartment |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
I am not against or in favor of your intended modification, in fact is interesting
to follow all our projects trough the list, we will all be learning a lot,
just one personal thought:
You are adding weight to the airplane... there are two points I want to say:
"Only add Simplicity and Lightness to any airplane"... also the famous "KIS"
( I like it with one non ofending S) "Keep it Simple".
If you notice, you are already "adding" weight before looking at the final results
and also beguining to complicate (add a handle) the process. Also adding
some more hours to the project.
I remember someone saying every modification to the plans, adds about 100 hrs
of building time, (remember the "domino" law?)
But after all, if you feel its good, go and do it, will be a good advice to keep
record of the weight added and the extra time invested, just for the fun of
building.
Saludos
Gary Gower,
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N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL
Stan:
Thank you! That's the kind of input I was looking for. I had not thought of the
entry handle aspect. I will look closely at this and possibly fabricate a handle
or re-enforced recess in the frame.
Scott
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Stanley Challgren wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Stanley Challgren
On the other side you would lose a valuable handhold for cockpit
entry/exit.
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| Subject: | Re: New CH701.com facelift |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Brett " <brett@hog-air.com>
I did the same thing last weekend. Added the navbar to all the pages.
Updated some stuff and just to make it flow better. You know how it is
you start with one page then two and before you know it it's a mess.
Let me know what you guy think. www.hog-air.com
Thanks
Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com
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